felifeli:

Good lord ! I didn't really mean to say that you copied the stuff from anywhere. Only that much of what you have put forward may not be any kind of option for a starting writer in any part of the world , who thinks he has a good story to tell but no publisher takes a chance on him , because publishing an unknown writer is too risky and you have to do a lot more marketing to get even some of your investment back.
I will advise instead that if you are serious about your writing at all, publish by ANY MEANS available to you.
1. Nobody is going to steal your worthless manuscript , and as an editor I have seen very many of those by cocky writers who think they have written the best book in the world.
2. Whether you give your book to a "real publisher" or a "vanity publisher" , you must still sell your book by yourself , one way or the other. If you think you can go it alone, by all means do "self publishing" , find your editor, book designers printer and go selling it by yourself keeping 100% of the profit. It is a very desirable option because giving your book to a "real publisher" does not guarantee that you will get a penny in royalty either ,quite candidly if they sell none of the book , there will be nothing to give to you as royalty. Eventually you may even find it more difficult to get your book back from "real publishers" because their contracts are usually tighter than with a "vanity press".

I think you have given a lot of important advice here... most of it bad unfortunately.

@KINGwax007 , who says that you cannot publish another edition of your book with a different ISBN ? Stop making people paranoid over their worthless writing.

I biliv u are a 'publisher'? I will pass. By the way, ISBN can come in packs, you can buy many if your book is to be in parts or series. Or you can obtain another one for another edition.. But ISBN are sold to publishers. It is best that one collects for ones book before approaching a printer. If a printer slaps the ISBN for your book, he becomes the publiaher with rights to your book.

I repeat this fact

The difference between traditional publiahers and 'vanity publishers' is that the latter only cares about the printing and stealing of your idea even though 'they' call it worthless.

There is nothing like a worthless manuscript- an idea for the best book may come from a sentence. The only time an editor can call a manuscript worthless is if the publishing company is not ready for that type of genre.


And many of the editors we knw only help you proofread to check spellings, misposition of letters. I have met those who wants you to change the whole concept of a twisted plot just because it is not a linear plot.

I am here to argue with you, but to enlighten the lots.

I wish you success

oludare007:
I biliv u are a 'publisher'? I will pass. By the way, ISBN can come in packs, you can buy many if your book is to be in parts or series. Or you can obtain another one for another edition.. But ISBN are sold to publishers. It is best that one collects for ones book before approaching a printer. If a printer slaps the ISBN for your book, he becomes the publiaher with rights to your book.

I repeat this fact

The difference between traditional publiahers and 'vanity publishers' is that the latter only cares about the printing and stealing of your idea even though 'they' call it worthless.

There is nothing like a worthless manuscript- an idea for the best book may come from a sentence. The only time an editor can call a manuscript worthless is if the publishing company is not ready for that type of genre.


And many of the editors we knw only help you proofread to check spellings, misposition of letters. I have met those who wants you to change the whole concept of a twisted plot just because it is not a linear plot.

I am here to argue with you, but to enlighten the lots.

I wish you success

I biliv u are a 'publisher'?

How unbelievably ignorant and cocky of you. My first book published by a "real publisher" was as a result of another that I'd self published. The "real publisher" after seeing the quality of what I had been able to produce by myself by dint of perseverance and self-confidence decided to take a chance on me writing another book for them. Not that I found my experience with them quite satisfactory but this should be a step forward towards making the larger publishing world out there becoming sure that you know what you are doing.

No, you have not come here to enlighten anyone sir, you have just proved to everyone that you have written about a subject which you know very little about.

felifeli:


I biliv u are a 'publisher'?

How unbelievably ignorant and cocky of you. My first book published by a "real publisher" was as a result of another that I'd self published. The "real publisher" after seeing the quality of what I had been able to produce by myself by dint of perseverance and self-confidence decided to take a chance on me writing another book for them. Not that I found my experience with them quite satisfactory but this should be a step forward towards making the larger publishing world out there becoming sure that you know what you are doing.

No, you have not come here to enlighten anyone sir, you have just proved to everyone that you have written about a subject which you know very little about.

congratulations. You probably lack the basic comprehensive skills. Let me help you break it down, oh editor!

The post here enlightens, period. If you are pained, then that's your problem.


I have not come to say, 'do not patronise vanity publishers', I have come to say, 'avoid being scammed by them'.

What is the scam here?

Why do you need a vanity publishers since all they do is collect money, procure ISBN and own you, put your book on their glorified blog, give you a cheap hosted blog, print your copies and give you to go sell all by yourself, when you can simply...

1. Collect an ISBN and Pay an editor
2. Approach a printing company
3. Collect your copies
4. Publish online in many stores
5. Open a free blog
6. Sell your hard copies through marketing?

Now. Where does it says, do not approach a printing press? It clearly asked to recognize the scams.

Maybe you need to comprehend better next time before acting like a wonded chicken!

This is an eye opener

oludare007:
congratulations. You probably lack the basic comprehensive skills. Let me help you break it down, oh editor!

The post here enlightens, period. If you are pained, then that's your problem.


I have not come to say, 'do not patronise vanity publishers', I have come to say, 'avoid being scammed by them'.

What is the scam here?

Why do you need a vanity publishers since all they do is collect money, procure ISBN and own you, put your book on their glorified blog, give you a cheap hosted blog, print your copies and give you to go sell all by yourself, when you can simply...

1. Collect an ISBN and Pay an editor
2. Approach a printing company
3. Collect your copies
4. Publish online in many stores
5. Open a free blog
6. Sell your hard copies through marketing?

Now. Where does it says, do not approach a printing press? It clearly asked to recognize the scams.

Maybe you need to comprehend better next time before acting like a wonded chicken!

You are quire right though.
1. Why do you need a teacher when you can buy all the books and read up by yourself to get a degree? Service
2. In fact why don't you read up on topics and write those same books by yourself ? Service
3. Why do you need a restaurant when you can go to market, buy the stuff and cook it by yourself ? Service
4. Why do you need a bank when you can take a bus to Maiduguri to collect money owed you and then put it under your mattress? Service
5. etc etc

For every endeavour in the world, there is always a difficult way and an easier and more sensible way through someone who is willing to offer you the service of doing it for you at a fee.
Apparently it has never crossed your mind that publishers (including vanity press) are simply selling you a specialist service or a bunch of such services like project management, editing, artist, print technology etc . You only see everything in terms of a "book" ...which I keep telling you has no value until you actually find someone willing to pay money to read it.
Knowledge edifies. Ignorance destroys.
Have a lovely week .

Am so happy there are publishers that pay up to 70% as royalty.
My dad was an author.He wrote 13 best selling books that are still selling twenty years after his death.

And how much do we get as royalty? A meagre 10% of the profit.
Sometimes I wonder why he signed those deals. 3 established publishers and not even one pays more than ten percent as royalty. They don't fight pirates. We do when we want the sales to improve. They don't do the marketing of the books the way they used to before. The books just sell on its own.

There is even one of his books that the publishers have closed up. Nwamife publishers have held the manuscript for over twenty years and have not returned it .They have no contact address at the moment.

Our experience isn't funny. I wonder how full time writers cope because the return is very low. To me, fame without money to live the famous life is useless.

felifeli:


You are quire right though.
1. Why do you need a teacher when you can buy all the books and read up by yourself to get a degree? Service
2. In fact why don't you read up on topics and write those same books by yourself ? Service
3. Why do you need a restaurant when you can go to market, buy the stuff and cook it by yourself ? Service
4. Why do you need a bank when you can take a bus to Maiduguri to collect money owed you and then put it under your mattress? Service
5. etc etc

For every endeavour in the world, there is always a difficult way and an easier and more sensible way through someone who is willing to offer you the service of doing it for you at a fee.
Apparently it has never crossed your mind that publishers (including vanity press) are simply selling you a specialist service or a bunch of such services like project management, editing, artist, print technology etc . You only see everything in terms of a "book" ...which I keep telling you has no value until you actually find someone willing to pay money to read it.
Knowledge edifies. Ignorance destroys.
Have a lovely week .

duse, you're still perambulating around the same thing.

Nobody asked them not to patronise you, they just need to knw what they are doing. In all I said, did I suggest anything that sounded like, 'do not patronise them?'

mercylicious:
Am so happy there are publishers that pay up to 70% as royalty.
My dad was an author.He wrote 13 best selling books that are still selling twenty years after his death.

And how much do we get as royalty? A meagre 10% of the profit.
Sometimes I wonder why he signed those deals. 3 established publishers and not even one pays more than ten percent as royalty. They don't fight pirates. We do when we want the sales to improve. They don't do the marketing of the books the way they used to before. The books just sell on its own.

There is even one of his books that the publishers have closed up. Nwamife publishers have held the manuscript for over twenty years and have not returned it .They have no contact address at the moment.

Our experience isn't funny. I wonder how full time writers cope because the return is very low. To me, fame without money to live the famous life is useless.

thanks- be wise. I believe it was not wise to have agreed on a paltry 10% for his intellectual property

mercylicious:
Am so happy there are publishers that pay up to 70% as royalty.
My dad was an author.He wrote 13 best selling books that are still selling twenty years after his death.

And how much do we get as royalty? A meagre 10% of the profit.
Sometimes I wonder why he signed those deals. 3 established publishers and not even one pays more than ten percent as royalty. They don't fight pirates. We do when we want the sales to improve. They don't do the marketing of the books the way they used to before. The books just sell on its own.

There is even one of his books that the publishers have closed up. Nwamife publishers have held the manuscript for over twenty years and have not returned it .They have no contact address at the moment.

Our experience isn't funny. I wonder how full time writers cope because the return is very low. To me, fame without money to live the famous life is useless.

10% is nearly the standard you can hope to get from a conventional publisher. 15% is maximum.
You can only get 70% from "vanity publishers", who will of course do very little to market your books and charge you upfront for publishing it.
More often you may be better off self-publishing. At least you don't lose a lot of money upfront and you realise from onset that you will not earn one kobo if you don't get on the road to sell your books by yourself. You will also learn how difficult it is to sell even only 10 copies of a single book

felifeli:


10% is nearly the standard you can hope to get from a conventional publisher. 15% is maximum.
You can only get 70% from "vanity publishers", who will of course do very little to market your books and charge you upfront for publishing it.
More often you may be better off self-publishing. At least you don't lose a lot of money upfront and you realise from onset that you will not earn one kobo if you don't get on the road to sell your books by yourself. You will also learn how difficult it is to sell even only 10 copies of a single book

duse, u shld stop barring your ignorance. 10% is what anybody cld get as far back as 20yrs ago, and take it or leave it, royalties will never increase.

I still maintain ure nothing but a rip off, and you rarely sell 50copiew of a whole book.

Since u already made your profit from printing, why worry abt selling the product?
Any of my friends don hit their head with vanity publaihers'...Na the same story. U get richer, they get poorer.

Being naive us not an excuse...just like footballers got wise and won't pen down demeaning and longtime contracts, so, it happens everywhere.

For example, get this right, origami books is now ready to accept submission, and a chosen manuscript gets a book deal, $1,000 cash price and royalties off front...

Come beat that..then u can talk abt your yeye 70% that no one gets to see. The 70% is your form of attracting them, but after u collected your own cash for printing, u basically do not worry abt helping the author...why shld u?

Farfina books gives u a book deal, royalty upfront and some cash. Many even place their promising authors on resident learning process.

Deal with it...

These are Nigerian publishers too.

My point, call a spade a spade, you're just a printer not a publiaher. Stop scamming people. Stop collecting their cash and still leave them high to dry!

oludare007:
duse, u shld stop barring your ignorance. 10% is what anybody cld get as far back as 20yrs ago, and take it or leave it, royalties will never increase.

I still maintain ure nothing but a rip off, and you rarely sell 50copiew of a whole book.

Since u already made your profit from printing, why worry abt selling the product?
Any of my friends don hit their head with vanity publaihers'...Na the same story. U get richer, they get poorer.

Being naive us not an excuse...just like footballers got wise and won't pen down demeaning and longtime contracts, so, it happens everywhere.

For example, get this right, origami books is now ready to accept submission, and a chosen manuscript gets a book deal, $1,000 cash price and royalties off front...

Come beat that..then u can talk abt your yeye 70% that no one gets to see. The 70% is your form of attracting them, but after u collected your own cash for printing, u basically do not worry abt helping the author...why shld u?

Farfina books gives u a book deal, royalty upfront and some cash. Many even place their promising authors on resident learning process.

Deal with it...

These are Nigerian publishers too.

My point, call a spade a spade, you're just a printer not a publiaher. Stop scamming people. Stop collecting their cash and still leave them high to dry!

Hey my last post was not even directed at you, but never mind. Why do you desperately want to believe that I am a publisher... any kind of publisher at all ? Anyway if it helps your case, that's okay with me.
Can you educate us on these :
1. How much does Farafina give upfront, and what percentage royalties? If you don't know this exactly kindly shut up and remain dreaming
2. How much is average royalties on non-academic books ? academic books? ebooks? they all have different royalty scales by the way. If you don't know this exactly please shut up forever.

Since you think it is so easy to make fantastic profit to publish your nonsense book, I still ask you to go publish it by yourself and then try to sell it. If you , this amateur person I am having a ridiculous chat with here can sell 10 copies of that book even to your relatives , I will take back my words that you only have superficial knowledge of what you originally posted. And if you can get your book accepted by Origami (or whatever) I will look for you anywhere you are in Nigeria, to personally apologise. From your behaviour here however I am convinced that you have neither the skill, talent nor the humility to succeed as a writer ; even to succeed as a common blogger....even as a lowly Nairaland post contributor.
By the way I could go on with this ping-pong chat indefinitely and keep you very unhappy, so keep it coming

felifeli:

Hey my last post was not even directed at you, but never mind. Why do you desperately want to believe that I am a publisher... any kind of publisher at all ? Anyway if it helps your case, that's okay with me.
Can you educate us on these :
1. How much does Farafina give upfront, and what percentage royalties? If you don't know this exactly kindly shut up and remain dreaming
2. How much is average royalties on non-academic books ? academic books? ebooks? they all have different royalty scales by the way. If you don't know this exactly please shut up forever.

Since you think it is so easy to make fantastic profit to publish your nonsense book, I still ask you to go publish it by yourself and then try to sell it. If you , this amateur person I am having a ridiculous chat with here can sell 10 copies of that book even to your relatives , I will take back my words that you only have superficial knowledge of what you originally posted. And if you can get your book accepted by Origami (or whatever) I will look for you anywhere you are in Nigeria, to personally apologise. From your behaviour here however I am convinced that you have neither the skill, talent nor the humility to succeed as a writer ; even to succeed as a common blogger....even as a lowly Nairaland post contributor.
By the way I could go on with this ping-pong chat indefinitely and keep you very unhappy, so keep it coming

keeping me u happy is just a sense if false hope you decided to give yourself. With a total act of temerity and great narcissism allowe to take you through my life in a short time:

1. I was never a literature student (but I will be soon), but a building technologist and a HND graduate.

2. Bad at tenses

3. Interested more in the motion picture than publishing (already finished one if my course in SCIPT writing, moving on to SCREEN WRITING)

Now, with those amateurish properties clearly embedded in my life, I have been able to achieve some very little success.

1. 2009, a recognition and monetary award with the department of building technology as the assistant editor and the author of the best article (KNOW YOUR WORTH)- it advises and deals with the discrimination between the Bsc and HND.

2. Won 50,000 from the NYSC chapter of kogi State (as a corper) in october 2011 for a mere manuscript I gave the chapter for free, titled (NOW THAT YOUR ALLOWEE DON INCREASE). I wrote this within three days- a book in entrepreneurship that deals with the sudden increase in our allowance from 9500 to 19800 and many were already talking of byung luxuries. This handbook contains 20 practicable businesses you can start with just 50,000!

3. After a long hiatus of working as a site engineer, I wrote a poem and submitted for the first edition of 'inspired by Gandhi international writing competition', sampad arts, Birmingham. Check page 81 (Google and check their website), my po, the list soul, was published(with five others from Nigeria) and an appreciative sum of $150 given personally by anie, my assigned editor for a well crafted poem. (check screenshot below)

4. 2015, my manuscript was accepted by a REAL publisher in the UK (I knw that hurts), but I shleved it due to advice, since I do not want to be proxy as the publiaher demands that I either be present of deal through agency. (Check screenshots)

5. My books are published online, okadabooks, bookateria, createspace - not mainly for profit (not yet. And they're unedited), but to get them 'published' for safeguarding.

6. My manual, BE YOUR OWN MANAGER- published on okadabooks has sold 6 copies online and 11 through email requests. Making 17...lol well, I tried Na...without any worthless marketing. Check my blog and grab a copy too.

*******

Now, Chuck's boss , oga felifeli,
As a professional editor (u said u av been published Na) pls, tell us your success story. Give a title and let us do the researches.

I am not the type that is scred to compete anywhere!!! I likened myself to anybody and will be glad to take on anyone of a fair play!!

I am a version of 'I can do antthinf', u are a version of 'u will fail if you try'.

I dnt biliv in 'you cannot do a thing in a way' because my ideology remains, 'u can never knw if u can or u can't untik u try'

When u open your useless mouth and say someone's script is worthless , I biliv u, since u are a renowned, successful and experienced author (I tried not to laff, I swear!)D , kindly Show us your works na

I am still on my point (even though I am just meeting an editor with a low IQ, , hence, a very low comprehensive skills), that vanity publishers, (the same u edit for) are scammers if they say they are publishers and still collect all you have for publishing your works.

The part you will never get (only God knows why ) is, I didn't advice anyone not to publish with you Na, make dem just no allow you collect ISBN for them. I dey advise my people to pay for printing. Na today we dey see people market their books for moto parks even though we see, published by vanity publishers? Lol

Oya, reply. But if your renowned works wont refkect in your reply, that is the end of story o.

Awifunni ko too Dani, agba ijakadi ni o

oludare007:


keeping me u happy is just a sense if false hope you decided to give yourself. With a total act of temerity and great narcissism allowe to take you through my life in a short time:

1. I was never a literature student (but I will be soon), but a building technologist and a HND graduate.

2. Bad at tenses

3. Interested more in the motion picture than publishing (already finished one if my course in SCIPT writing, moving on to SCREEN WRITING)

Now, with those amateurish properties clearly embedded in my life, I have been able to achieve some very little success.

1. 2009, a recognition and monetary award with the department of building technology as the assistant editor and the author of the best article (KNOW YOUR WORTH)- it advises and deals with the discrimination between the Bsc and HND.

2. Won 50,000 from the NYSC chapter of kogi State (as a corper) in october 2011 for a mere manuscript I gave the chapter for free, titled (NOW THAT YOUR ALLOWEE DON INCREASE). I wrote this within three days- a book in entrepreneurship that deals with the sudden increase in our allowance from 9500 to 19800 and many were already talking of byung luxuries. This handbook contains 20 practicable businesses you can start with just 50,000!

3. After a long hiatus of working as a site engineer, I wrote a poem and submitted for the first edition of 'inspired by Gandhi international writing competition', sampad arts, Birmingham. Check page 81 (Google and check their website), my po, the list soul, was published(with five others from Nigeria) and an appreciative sum of $150 given personally by anie, my assigned editor for a well crafted poem. (check screenshot below)

4. 2015, my manuscript was accepted by a REAL publisher in the UK (I knw that hurts), but I shleved it due to advice, since I do not want to be proxy as the publiaher demands that I either be present of deal through agency. (Check screenshots)

5. My books are published online, okadabooks, bookateria, createspace - not mainly for profit (not yet. And they're unedited), but to get them 'published' for safeguarding.

6. My manual, BE YOUR OWN MANAGER- published on okadabooks has sold 6 copies online and 11 through email requests. Making 17...lol well, I tried Na...without any worthless marketing. Check my blog and grab a copy too.

*******

Now, Chuck's boss , oga felifeli,
As a professional editor (u said u av been published Na) pls, tell us your success story. Give a title and let us do the researches.

I am not the type that is scred to compete anywhere!!! I likened myself to anybody and will be glad to take on anyone of a fair play!!

I am a version of 'I can do antthinf', u are a version of 'u will fail if you try'.

I dnt biliv in 'you cannot do a thing in a way' because my ideology remains, 'u can never knw if u can or u can't untik u try'

When u open your useless mouth and say someone's script is worthless , I biliv u, since u are a renowned, successful and experienced author (I tried not to laff, I swear!)D , kindly Show us your works na

I am still on my point (even though I am just meeting an editor with a low IQ, , hence, a very low comprehensive skills), that vanity publishers, (the same u edit for) are scammers if they say they are publishers and still collect all you have for publishing your works.

The part you will never get (only God knows why ) is, I didn't advice anyone not to publish with you Na, make dem just no allow you collect ISBN for them. I dey advise my people to pay for printing. Na today we dey see people market their books for moto parks even though we see, published by vanity publishers? Lol

Oya, reply. But if your renowned works wont refkect in your reply, that is the end of story o.

Awifunni ko too Dani, agba ijakadi ni o

You clearly have no sense of modesty. You are finished as a writer... any kind of writer. Keep your bricklayer job well I beg you.
PS : You failed to answer my questions on how much royalty and advance Farafina pays and how much is going rates elsewhere.

PPS : The name of the publisher that has asked you to send your manuscript is Austin Macauley Publishers Limited (darn you should have also removed the address from the scan you posted ) and they are as a matter of fact VANITY PUBLISHERS , so if you hate vanity publishers and don't want to lose your money sending Oyinbo your useless book in the hope they will send you ££££ better retrace your steps.

Austin & Maclauley is a vanity publisher. I've gotten reports of fees in the £3,000 range.

Like many vanity publishers, Austin & Macauley claims to offer "traditional" publishing, and lures authors in with this promise. Once authors have submitted, they get a letter from "Chief Editor Annette Longman" saying that A&C thinks their work "has merit" and "deserves to be published." However, due to "the difficulty in placing the books of new or untried authors, as well as the general increased competition in publishing today, we feel that it may be necessary to ask for a contribution from you." There then follows some stuff about how such arrangements are "likely to be more common in future," and then Annette lowers the boom:

Let me stress: the situation is that, at the moment, we are only asking you to agree in principle [to make a contribution]. I can, however, assure you of one important point. If you were to agree in principle, the amount asked of you would be reasonable; it would be a contribution to initial costs only; it would not match the investment we ourselves would be putting into teh publishing, promoting, and marketing of your work.

The final paragraph of this letter sinks the hook, implying that the contribution may not be required after all: "...on the other hand, [the Publishing Board] may well agree to take responsibility for the entire financial risk."

These are standard vanity publisher sales tactics, designed to make authors believe that a) the publisher isn't solely a vanity publisher, and b) if they pay, the publisher will contribute either its own money or services of substantial value. However, it's quite likely that neither is true. While some vanity publishers do have non-vanity programs, in many if not most cases the claim to provide "tradtional" publishing is a sales ploy designed to make authors feel more confident that the publisher is reputable ('cause any publisher that does non-vanity publishing is reputable, right?). Ditto for the joint venture claim--it's far more likely that the author's "contribution" has been carefully calculated to cover not just publication costs, but the publisher's overhead and profit.

Apart from anything else, A&M's website is deceptive in that there's no indication that any of its authors will have to pay. However, as Old Hack noted, to anyone with any real publishing experience, it screams "vanity publisher."

- Victoria

http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?95685-Austin-Macauley-Publishers-Ltd-%28formerly-Austin-amp-Macauley%29

Ciao

^^^^

Finished as a writer? When I didn't even say I am earning a living through writing?

I am a site engineer and a farmer, and more focused on screen writing. hey, u shld be ashamed that I got this far. I am still going to get published, ; D


Comprehension problem again? I get.



Now, Austins are not 100% vanity publaihers' get your facts right.

Just like farafina has kaficho press, origami has paressia, Amazon has amozon prints...and so on, u cld be offered to pay your $$$$ if writers submit unworthy scripts as urs.

I was clearly told (thru phone call) to either be available, get an agent or consider the printing press option (i'll pass)...but urs is clearly a case where a manuscript is so worthless they codnt risk marketing it..
Lol..(not my fault. So much for a professional)

Hey, dude, u forgot to tell me how far you've gone....screenshots, no? Tell us your achievements..u knw, popular books uve edited, yours that is widely available and so on.

I guessed as much...




I hope u will stop calling itself an editor because u helped people cross their Ts and dot their Is...real editors make worthless manuscript come out shinning...

Go get a real job bro and stop scamming people

oludare007:
^^^^

Finished as a writer? When I didn't even say I am earning a living through writing?

I am a site engineer and a farmer, and more focused on screen writing. hey, u shld be ashamed that I got this far. I am still going to get published, ; D


Comprehension problem again? I get.



Now, Austins are not 100% vanity publaihers' get your facts right.

Just like farafina has kaficho press, origami has paressia, Amazon has amozon prints...and so on, u cld be offered to pay your $$$$ if writers submit unworthy scripts as urs.

I was clearly told (thru phone call) to either be available, get an agent or consider the printing press option (i'll pass)...but urs is clearly a case where a manuscript is so worthless they codnt risk marketing it..
Lol..(not my fault. So much for a professional)

Hey, dude, u forgot to tell me how far you've gone....screenshots, no?

I guessed as much..




I hope u will stop calling itself an editor because u helped people cross their Ts and dot their Is...real editors make worthless manuscript come out shinning...

Go get a real job bro and stop scamming people

You are hilarious and completely hopeless I swear. I haven't laughed so much in weeks.
I have work to do , please. I beg you please stop making me laugh.

felifeli:


You are hilarious and completely hopeless I swear. I haven't laughed so much in weeks.
I have work to do , please. I beg you please stop making me laugh.

gerarahere jur or post one moment u are proud of.

Anyways, how to avoid vanity publishers is already read and understood by those who doesn't have comprehension problems.

One thing for sure, if I had checked your topic on Nairaland, I wldnt av bothered replying u

Have u fi ially gooten to knw how Western Union will pay u?

Have u finally gooten a producer to buy ur scripts? Lol...I heard the highest uay get is 25k lol...

Dude, ure done!

But on the contrary...we cld work together..who knws?

oludare007:
gerarahere jur or post one moment u are proud of.

Anyways, how to avoid vanity publishers is already read and understood by those who doesn't have comprehension problems.

One thing for sure, if I had checked your topic on Nairaland, I wldnt av bothered replying u

Have u fi ially gooten to knw how Western Union will pay u?

Have u finally gooten a producer to buy ur scripts? Lol...I heard the highest uay get is 25k lol...

Dude, ure done!

But on the contrary...we cld work together..who knws?

Bros free me . I quite enjoyed winding you up
Take care. And be very careful to be less boastful of what you know; you may find out you know very little.
Cheers and good luck God bless your hustle.

felifeli:



Bros free me . I quite enjoyed winding you up
Take care. And be very careful to be less boastful of what you know; you may find out you know very little.
Cheers and good luck God bless your hustle.

good luck in selling ur scripts

oludare007:
I understand there are lots and 99% of vanity publishers in Nigeria, but will you stop calling yourself 'publishers' because that is a misrepresentation. You are printers. Calling yourself publiahers' is preparing a snare for new writers who didn't knw that giving you the right the ISBN means you own the author. That is pure fraud because the author definitely paid for his printing. More than a quarter if a million is not child's play. Accord the author his/her rights.

In self publishing, the indie author is the publisher and not the platform. Unless, of course, you opted to use the platform to generate an ISBN.

In self publishing, you pay for editing, pay for printing, collect your printed books and start marketing. If ever a printer sees that the book will sell, he can decide to share in the loss and profit by contributing to the whole of the financial process...

Now, I am not saying that authors cannot use vanity press, I only want them to realise what they are doing and what they really want.

To be known, you can use a vanity publishers, but be great assured, getting a real publisher is not that hard.

I wish you success.

To get a real publisher is not that bad...so why do people self published. Pls tell new authors where they can get "real publishers"

Harmonypublish:


To get a real publisher is not that bad...so why do people self published. Pls tell new authors where they can get "real publishers"

I already did, read all my posts.
And hey, dnt get it twisted..I didn't ask anyone not to self publish. But self publishing leaves the author as the publiaher, isn't that true?

But if you say u self publish and still own the ISBN, what is that called? Fraud!

That's the page we're on.

Nobody asked no one not to self publish. Dnt get it wrong

Is the argument over? Well i can now tell the winner... @Op there is no better way to say thank you for a job well done.