OMO IBO:

na wa ooo. see as una dey disect bible.

These might actuallly make me really think that the book is that of confussion

alimat 2:



These might actuallly make me really think that the book is that of confussion

are u not concerned that ur deduction is largely due to illetracy and lack of knowledge?

Pls explain cos i can see many quotes frm the bible that support and oppose the actions of Pastor G.O/The sacked Pastor

No Names calling plsssssssss

dafidixone:

I think the first wife only decline coming to Nigeria with him, not that she is no longer marrying him. This is a strong point underlining the whole issue. I feel Pastor Itua should have gone back to the U.S and dissolve the marriage before going out to marry another woman. For him not taking this step RCCG Authority may see it as a pastor marrying two wives ans it is not ethical of any buble beleiving church. It is also illegality on the side of the Pastor. Pastor Itua should have known that what ever God has joined togather, no man should put assunder.

The fact that the first wife is still legally in the marriage. The other woman will make the second wife. I don't think RCCG will accept that.

Thank you and that's what i have been trying to explain all these while that she just merely refused to come to Nigeria but the marriage was not dissolved neither was there any divorce. So they are both still legally married and and therefore the church is right.

Black_Revo:

Thank you and that's what i have been trying to explain all these while that she just merely refused to come to Nigeria but the marriage was not dissolved neither was there any divorce. So they are both still legally married and and therefore the church is right.

Uhm doesn't the article say this:

On 26 April this year, Ighodalo granted an interview to ThisDay newspaper where he spoke  on why he divorced his first wife.

Ighodalo said he married a fellow accountant, Lucy-Ann Summer whom he said he met “while I was going up and down” in 1995.

He disclosed that Ann refused to join him in Nigeria and after much persuasion failed, she left. “Because the expectations from the marriage were not met, she met someone else that met those expectations…,” the pastor added.

  This clearly states that she left him for someone else. Whether or not they were divorced at the time is not the issue - She left him for someone else! therefore he is free to remarry.

JeSoul:

Uhm doesn't the article say this:
  This clearly states that she left him for someone else. Whether or not they were divorced at the time is not the issue - She left him for someone else! therefore he is free to remarry.

Oh thanks for pointing that and truly i did not cross-check that. But lets put it this way that the woman was pushed to a corner before making that decision. How will a woman feel if her husband ask her to relocate with him to present day Iraq or Afghanistan? is that a reason to dissolve the marriage or they will continue as a long distance relationship?

Now according to these passage which i think you are coming from. Especially verse 15 but i want you to also read verse 16.

I Cor 7 Vs 12- 16

12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? 

If we both take the verse 15 and interpret it that the woman leaves then i support that the pastor is free to re-marry again and the church is wrong. But if we look at verse 16 carefully i feel that verse is stating the condition on which  the unbeliever should leave for the believer to be free to re-marry again.

That condition to me is that if the unbeliever is tired of the persuasion to be a believer and decide to leave the marriage to remain an unbeliever then the believer is free. The reason why a believer marries an unbeliever is to change or save the unbeliever. But if the unbeliever does not change and his still happy with the marriage the passage says the believer should not put him or her away.

The woman did not leave because she did not want to be a believer but because she did not want to relocate and live in Nigeria. Now from that quote what do we think is the expectation of the woman from the marriage. To get married to an unbeliever like herself or live with her husband in her own country?

This clearly states that she left him for someone else. Whether or not they were divorced at the time is not the issue - She left him for someone else! therefore he is free to remarry

I don't know if you have ever heard of restitution as an issue in Christian faith. You have only heard the side of the pastor, the woman is still alive. It is possible for anyone to come up with stories to back up issues like this. The RCCG leadership must know beyound what we are talking here. There is a popul;ar saying that :
If a wicked fellow table his case, it may not be a wicked fellow that will judge the matter. There must be something hidden that is well known to the pastor's close associates.

From the whole senerio, the man was not born again as at the point of that marriage, what if the man killed the American woman, and he frame up an issue? what if the man had children from the marriage and he claimed it was dissolved? I feel the man should come up with verifyable proves as regard his marriage. I know of a man who worked with an American woman then, he stole the woman's money and that formed the beginning of his wealth in Nigeria, today. I learnt that the man bought a house in the US as at that time and he would not dare think of going the the US.

There are so many things we must consider on this issue. If the man feels he is right with God as concern the matter, RCCG is not the only church where he could pastor. Why not seek the face of God and move ahead. But if the man will think of deceiving God with his new wife, they must remember Annaniah and Saphira.

Why RCCG pastors can’t remarry
By Oluwatoyin Akinola & Onukwube Ofoelue

Sunday, August 16, 2009

What should a man do after ten years of separation from a wife that has refused to heed the ‘for better for worse’ call of matrimony?


Pastor Adeboye


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‘Get on with his life, of course.’ This would be the most likely response one would get.

However for a born-again Christian and, by extension, a minister of God, a pastor taking that course of action would be violating biblical injunctions, says Pastor Patrick Enilama, a zonal pastor under Lagos Province 18 of the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG).

And that seems to be the message the RCCG sent out recently with the sack of one of its dynamic pastors, Ituah Olajide Ighodalo, who until about two weeks ago was the shepherd of the Christ Church Flock Parish.

For the dashing man of God, who has had to endure ten years of ‘unplanned celibacy’, relieving him of his office for following his heart, soul (and probably body) by remarrying was just plain politics being played by the ‘Governing Council’ of the church, a member in one of the parishes (who has known Ighodalo since his Freedom Hall days) told this reporter.

“I didn’t know what they wanted him to do. The woman (former wife) didn’t want to come back to Nigeria. Asking him to step down as pastor is just politics by the Governing Council. It is this same politics that sent Pastor Tony Rapu out. I sent him a text encouraging him, sha.”

However, Sunday Sun gathered that for the man in question, leaving the Redeemed fold might not be the next line of action for now, says a member of the Christ Church flock.

“He didn’t say categorically that he was leaving the church. What he said was that he was stepping down as pastor and that his assistant, Segun Omotosho, was going to take over his responsibilities.”

According to this source, it has been business as usual in most of Ighodalo’s initiatives in the church like the Heritage Homes (a motherless babies home), Lydia Grace Foundation (a rehab for prostitutes), Eden’s Field (a hospital medical support organisation) for the Needy, Timeless Newspaper, a Christian newspaper he publishes.

While this source affirms that it is not about the person but the church, she however admits that she could follow Ighodalo if he were to start his own church, just like many members at the Christ Church Parish are already contemplating.

“The week after he announced he was stepping aside was convention, so there was no service in the morning but evening and I couldn’t say if he attended because I didn’t go for that service. But people are already saying that if they don’t see him next Sunday, they will start going to City of David (Parish). Though it is not about the person, but I must admit that I can also leave. You just cannot ignore his charisma.”

Whether Ighodalo (whom many see as one fit to step into the late Pastor Eskor Mfon’s shoes) leaves RCCG or not, church will continue so also his many initiatives, says Enilama.

“There will be no vacuum if he decides to leave the church. But I will advise him not to leave (if he must) without the blessings of Daddy G.O (General Overseer, Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye). Daddy G.O has said God will purge the church one way or the other. There have been people of greater status who have had to leave the system.”

While empathising with him and reacting to a story angle that Ighodalo remarrying had encouraged some other pastors in the church to divorce their wives, which prompted the action of the church, Enilama says a man of God no matter what must not be found wanting in this respect.

“Honestly, ten years is a long time for a young man to be without a wife. But what the Bible says is that a minister of God must be blameless, husband of one wife. The Bible does not allow one to remarry. Rather it encourages both parties to reconcile. There is nothing like irreconcilable differences.

“Whether his action has encouraged other pastors to divorce their wives, I don’t have the facts but you don’t bend the rules in the word of God. If it is tolerated, it can be an encouragement.”

Citing Malachi 2:13-16, Matthew 19:1-9, I Corinthians 7:10, scriptures from the Bible, he says remarrying is not an option for any Christian but rather reconciliation. He adds that marriage is solemn, as the couple must know what they are going into, and sacred because God made it so, and serious because it is binding for life.

Adding his voice to the controversy, the shepherd of Cherubim and Seraphim Church, Kirikiri, said that marriage is a very spiritual matter that should not be handled with kid gloves as it portends a relationship sealed by God himself.

“Who is man, no matter his designation, that he should judge the action of the sacked pastor?” the cleric queried. According to him, what the RCCG authorities ought to have done was to call the pastor to order by correcting him through admonition and not outright sack.

He contended that many illicit relationships that may even result in the birth of fatherless children go on in the churches yet nothing is done by the pastors.

http://odili.net/news/source/2009/aug/16/507.html

A Bishop is supposed to be the husband of one wife.

I'd have stepped down instead of engaging in all this wrangling, but that's just me.

No be say I better pass the pastor oh.

tpiah*:

A Bishop is supposed to be the husband of one wife.

I'd have stepped down instead of engaging in all this wrangling, but that's just me.

No be say I better pass the pastor oh.

True talk my sister, he would have stepped down and continue as an ordinary church member. That does not prevent him from doing the work of God. You must not be a pastor before you can do the work of God properly.

From the article above so many pastors missed the central message of Matthew 19:9, the verse was specifically addressing the issue of divorce from the point of view of the Jewish tradition that was in vogue at the time Jesus Christ was on earth. They have substituted immorality for adultery which was not. The right word there was actually fornication.

Mathew 19:9

19:9  And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

In the Jewish tradition a woman is betrothed to a man for one year before marriage and during that time she lives separately from her parents and gets herself prepared for the proper marriage. During this period she is not yet married but set aside for the man just like Mary and Joseph in the bible. So Jesus was saying that if she commits fornication during these period then the husband has a right to divorce her. But if that's not the reason for divorce then the man who leaves her and goes on to marry another woman commits adultery (Now the man is already married). Now for the woman like wise who ever marries a woman that was divorced for the wrong reason during this betrothed period commits adultery. So Jesus was saying in essence that you can only divorce your wife during the betroth period on the reason of fornication but when properly married and she commits adultery then the worst you can do is separation for a while from her but the bible encourages forgiveness and reconciliation between both party after a while.

_{Are you the same tpiah i think you should check your old id if you were banned they are normally restored after one or two weeks.}

Sometime I wonder what type of 'Bible' does these hypocrites are studying/reading which allows them to remarry when your spouse are very much alive. Is it the 'edited version' 

Confusion = Christianity= bible = marriage = Divorce = polygamy= monogamy = serial divorcee=

What is God s stand on all these, NOT PAUL stands abeg

This same Ibidun is now dead.
May God have mercy on us
Amen

Lilimax:
This same Ibidun is now dead.
May God have mercy on us
Amen

Why? Will RCCG let the husband back in their fold now?

Kobojunkie:

Why? Will RCCG let the husband back in their fold now?

He has started his own ministry.
The Bible I read says no divorce or remarriage. If people believe it, they won't enter into marriage lightly

salt1:


He has started his own ministry.
The Bible I read says no divorce or remarriage. If people believe it, they won't enter into marriage lightly

Which Bible says no divorce or remarriage?

Does anyone really enter into marriage lightly?

Kobojunkie:


Which Bible says no divorce or remarriage?

Does anyone really enter into marriage lightly?

My own Bible

Romans 7:1-4 KJV
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

salt1:


My own Bible

Romans 7:1-4 KJV
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

I am sorry but when it comes to what to do, I stick with what Jesus Christ , the one who authored and finished my faith, says.

Kobojunkie:

I am sorry but when it comes to what to do, I stick with what Jesus Christ , the one who authored and finished my faith, says.

Enjoy! There's no contradiction between what Paul is teaching and what Jesus taught. Jesus talked of putting away (separation) for adultery and/or forgiving to reconcile. Never remarrying while one's spouse is alive. His disciples who understood the gravity of what He said reasoned that it was better not to marry then, if the conditions were so stringent and Jesus told them that those who will take it. Obviously people like you don't agree with that and it's OK because Jesus has already said that some won't agree.

salt1:


Enjoy! There's no contradiction between what Paul is teaching and what Jesus taught. Jesus talked of putting away (separation) for adultery and/or forgiving to reconcile. Never remarrying while one's spouse is alive. His disciples who understood the gravity of what He said reasoned that it was better not to marry then, if the conditions were so stringent and Jesus told them that those who will take it. Obviously people like you don't agree with that and it's OK because Jesus has already said that some won't agree.

The verses you quoted was in fact Paul using a jewish idea as regards death, divorce and marriage, to explain the power the binding power the law has and how once dead, that power is no more.

Paul never told Christians to embrace Jewish laws as far as anything is concerned - not circumcision, not marriage /divorce/ remarriage, not anything

Jesus Christ is the one we should all look to for what to do in any and every case though -the very embodiment of the new convenant that God has given us. That is my reason.

Why? Is this question necessary?

Kobojunkie:

Why? Will RCCG let the husband back in their fold now?

Bodydialect57:
Why? Is this question necessary?

The one i responded to said

Lilimax:
This same Ibidun is now dead.
May God have mercy on us
Amen

Kobojunkie:


The verses you quoted was in fact Paul using a jewish idea as regards death, divorce and marriage, to explain the power the binding power the law has and how once dead, that power is no more.

Paul never told Christians to embrace Jewish laws as far as anything is concerned - not circumcision, not marriage /divorce/ remarriage, not anything

Jesus Christ is the one we should all look to for what to do in any and every case though -the very embodiment of the new convenant that God has given us. That is my reason.

Keep jumping form place to place with your heresies.

Divorce and remarriage isn't a controversial issue...Jesus clearly called it adultery.

People just twist scriptures to suit their selfish purposes.

Interesting!