D2diff:
1? That was a sarcastic reply to the moniker I quoted
2? Men can do all the heavy lifting. You are physically stronger and if you do not want to we can as well do it ourselves. What about childbirth too? Will you handle it yourself?
3) Natural order does not include stuffs like that. It is very obvious bro.
4) We are talking

What are the things that are included in natural order and what are the things not included

Onegai:
Tearoses, ronald4lif and anyone else,

Please don't use any Nigerian celebrity to attempt to reason about marriage. I don't wanna say much, but if you knew just a quarter of their shenanigans, you would have beaten up Tiwa Savage and Teebillz for making you waste your mb mentioning their names. Even the Nigerian celebrities with "wonderful" marriages give one a headache when you finally start seeing bits and pieces of the truth. Intact, anyone who is popular in Nigeria should never be used as a standard for morality or a rallying cry about anything in society. Unless of course it's hypocrisy.

Some of the stories are slowly trickling out (you think Teebillz hasn't lived off other women in his past, you think Tiwa hasn't been a hustler willing to do a lot to get ahead? Actually, that was one of the things everyone liked about her: very determined to be a success).

Infact, just pray for Nigeria. This corruption we are fighting started from our homes. The most important question one should ask your future husband or wife isn't about "who's gonna wash the dishes" but "how much do you earn". You need to be able to match their lifestyle to their paychecks and accept the level of hoe-ism you can live with. Someone who will do anything for money is someone you're never going to able to make see reason. When a man has played his good looks towards sleeping with and driving the car and full access of cash for several women, what equality do you wanna preach to him?? When a woman has also slept with her father's agemates and spent more money than you have seen in your life, how do you expect her not to be scornful that with your basic salary, you are lording it over her

But a few hea

This is as funny as it is true.

Things?

Why don't we try what is natural for a woman and a man? Physical difference and childbirth are obvious examples. Any one cannot do it.

However any one can cook, wash, sweep, mow the lawn, fix a socket, paint the house, feed the children, pet a baby to sleep...........you can add more. If you can't do any of them, it is not because you are a man or a woman. It is because you naturally can't do it or you never learned how to do it

raumdeuter:


What are the things that are included in natural order and what are the things not included

D2diff:
Things?
Why don't we try what is natural for a woman and a man? Physical difference and childbirth are obvious examples. Any one cannot do it.
However any one can cook, wash, sweep, mow the lawn, fix a socket, paint the house, feed the children, pet a baby to sleep...........you can add more. If you can't do any of them, it is not because you are a man or a woman. It is because you naturally can't do it or you never learned how to do it

But you were the one who told us

D2diff:
A woman establishing her husband is very wrong. It is against natural order. I don't care about the number of ways even it is by feeding him her own money.

Is there anything biologically that stops a woman from establishing her man?

That was a sarcastic reply to Acidosi.s

raumdeuter:


But you were the one who told us



Is there anything biologically that stops a woman from establishing her man?

Mindfulness:


A woman doesn't say: "You have to do chores because I pay the bills too'.
A woman says: 'Help me with the chores because I am also tired from work.'

A woman who makes more money than her husband but spends less time at work will still do more chores because she has more time and more energy. It IS NOT about the money. It is about time and energy.

Lol, you're very conniving.
Where in the OP is it mentioned or even remotely implied that this thread is about 'being tired and just needing assistance'?

Go read the OP again, it was about finances...entirely

crackhaus:

You sef, clearly you've always been the rebel...it's very clear now - only you are atheist, feminist, and so much more..

Let me ask you the question I put in bold in another context;
What does it take from you to cook noodles for your own brother? Rebel and stubborn much?

I'm thinking you got on the defensive probably because he demanded it and did not ask nicely, yes?
If so, hasn't this been my point all along?

A woman should not bring that leg of "now I'm contributing to finance, my husband has to contribute to chores" especially when this man has never or doesn't do any of these chores before...why is this so hard for y'all to comprehend?

This is exactly the negative outcome of 21st century media exposure.
Easy-to-mislead women of our generation go on the internet or TV to read/see other women who talk about how their fathers and husbands assist with this and that... my husband helps with this, my father helped with that when we were growing up and bla bla bla.
What they fail to mention however, is that they or their mothers didn't force the men to be like that, these men were and are contributing to chores because they want to and enjoy doing it. Simple and short!

But y'all (apologies for including you) don't bother to ask this question:
Was your husband always hands-on with chores or did you make him so just because you contribute to the finance?

I'm giving you an assignment, ask women who say stuff like that (you can start with your NL friends) and gauge the responses - you will struggle to see one who will honestly say that she's the one who demanded/told/persuaded/asked their husband to assist with chores.
Even in a case where he does it once or twice, how often does he do it...or don't they eat and clean everyday?


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Back to your question, doing chores take absolutely nothing from me (can't speak for the majority), I know how to take care of my own shiit...I've not dated any girl that will come and be using cooking and cleaning to form for me, I won't even give her face one bit.. mehn OYO oo!
But the moment I see a proper Nigerian woman for that matter going on about how her husband must contribute to house chores, my automatic response is usually 'tor, abi na wetin dis one dey feel like sef' lol.

You married a man who assists? Happy for you.
You didn't? Sister get used to it cos I'm honestly yet to see a man who will suddenly become what he wasn't before, just because his wife brings in some money. She can try to make him, but shouldn't complain if that line of action backfires.

A submissive gentle somborri like me.

Doesn't really take anything to cook for someone, but making it sound like I was obligated to because i was a girl was what I had a serious problem with, especially since I wasn't demanding anything of him, on the grounds that he was a boy, so it was injustice as far as I was concerned, but he didn't see it in that light and me sef show am pepper kwanu.

It's not really the same thing as your wife shouldn't even have to demand, you should just know to do them and if you don't know how (due to upbringing or whatever), then employ her to teach you(lets join hands and make things right)

As far as I'm concerned, money shouldn't even be a factor, I mean, she shouldn't expect him to do chores solely because she contributes(why shouldn't she in the first place? well unless they agreed on it) in which case she shouldn't complain, but two adults working to finance their needs, must also take care of their chores together, how is this even something to be debated? Why/how will it backfire? What is wrong with a man doing chores?

My own is that, men should not do chores because they want to or enjoy it, they should do it because it is the responsible/sensible thing to do, especially when your wife is having difficulty handling it all alone, where is the kindness?

Try seeing it from this perspective.

Na our fore mothers cause all these things sef.

crackhaus:

Lol, you're very conniving.
Where in the OP is it mentioned or even remotely implied that this thread is about 'being tired and just needing assistance'?

Go read the OP again, it was about finances...entirely

To set the records straight as I see you have guessed the intent of the thread severally,

The OP is not about finances.

This is the 4th question:

4. Why is a wife expected to handle the domestics alone when she becomes the breadwinner working outside the home and her hubby is largely at home?

mindfulness, is actually on track.

raumdeuter:


You know how to drive right? but when your bf is around and you are going out together who does most of the driving? You were probably driving yourself but once a man enters the picture you suddenly became lazy to do it

Same with weeding your lawns, fixing your electrical works etc

I don't become lazy, he is the one who mostly wants to take the wheel(except when I insist), if I don't know how to fix stuffs and he does, I appeal to his sense of kindness, not say he has to do it because he is a man.

I usually don't even wait for him before I get the things I want, done, and this, he even sometimes complain about for reasons I am yet to understand.

bukatyne:


To set the records straight as I see you have guessed the intent of the thread severally,

The OP is not about finances.

This is the 4th question:

4. Why is a wife expected to handle the domestics alone when she becomes the breadwinner working outside the home and her hubby is largely at home?

mindfulness, is actually on track.

Lol, but I didn't have to guess the intent of the thread when you already typed it out..

These are the keywords that scream 'intent' in each of those questions:

1. What makes the husband the head/sole authority if he expects the wife to contribute to the upkeep without necessarily compromising in domestics? = finances @bold text.

2. Why is the average woman who wants to marry/date a financially ok man called a gold digger considering that she is still expected to play her own part? = finances @bold text

3. Why do people frown on a wife who expects her husband to provide all (even women programs emphasize this and call them lazy esp. stay @ home moms) while the wife is expected to handle the domestics majorly? = finances @bold text

...and even the fourth question you quoted also had;
4. Why is a wife expected to handle the domestics alone when she becomes the breadwinner working outside the home and her hubby is largely at home? = finances @bold text


If indeed the intent was only just about being tired, not having time, and needing assistance, you would have pointed that out as the reason chores should be shared and not because the woman contributes to finances or becomes the breadwinner.

Besides, is there any woman who would complain of being tired, not having time, and needing assistance with chores if her husband was a millionaire?
Honestly?

I'm pretty sure chores start to look real friendly and enjoyable when one's husband changes her car every year to keep up with the factory.

crackhaus:

Lol, but I didn't have to guess the intent of the thread when you already typed out the intent for us..

These are the keywords that scream 'intent' in each of those questions:

1. What makes the husband the head/sole authority if he expects the wife to contribute to the upkeep without necessarily compromising in domestics? = finances @bold text.

2. Why is the average woman who wants to marry/date a financially ok man called a gold digger considering that she is still expected to play her own part? = finances @bold text

3. Why do people frown on a wife who expects her husband to provide all (even women programs emphasize this and call them lazy esp. stay @ home moms) while the wife is expected to handle the domestics majorly? = finances @bold text


...and even the fourth question you quoted had;
4. Why is a wife expected to handle the domestics alone when she becomes the breadwinner working outside the home and her hubby is largely at home? = finances @bold text



If indeed the intent was just about being tired, not having time, and just needing assistance, you should have pointed that out as the reason chores should be shared and not because the woman contributes to finances or becomes the breadwinner.

Besides, is there any woman who would complain of being tired, not having time, and needing assistance with chores if her husband was a millionaire?
Honestly?

I'm pretty sure chores start to look real friendly and enjoyable when one's husband changes her car every year to keep up with the factory.
At the end of the day, there's no way one can surmise that it isn't about finances even if an untyped intent claims it is.

Unfortunately,

I cannot help you here.

It is clear that the first three questions were from the premises that husband provide & wife domestics.

I opened a thread and after several guess work, I tell you what the tread is about and you still insist.. Odiegwu.

The thread was asking questions strangely no one has provided satisfactory answers to.

sweetcocoa:
A submissive gentle somborri like me.

Doesn't really take anything to cook for someone, but making it sound like I was obligated to because i was a girl was what I had a serious problem with, especially since I wasn't demanding anything of him, on the grounds that he was a boy, so it was injustice as far as I was concerned, but he didn't see it in that light and me sef show am pepper kwanu.

It's not really the same thing as your wife shouldn't even have to demand, you should just know to do them and if you don't know how (due to upbringing or whatever), then employ her to teach you(lets join hands and make things right)

As far as I'm concerned, money shouldn't even be a factor, I mean, she shouldn't expect him to do chores solely because she contributes(why shouldn't she in the first place? well unless they agreed on it) in which case she shouldn't complain, but two adults working to finance their needs, must also take care of their chores together, how is this even something to be debated? Why/how will it backfire? What is wrong with a man doing chores?

My own is that, men should not do chores because they want to or enjoy it, they should do it because it is the responsible/sensible thing to do, especially when your wife is having difficulty handling it all alone, where is the kindness?

Try seeing it from this perspective.

Na our fore mothers cause all these things sef.

This geh, you taking me back.

Did I ever imply it's wrong for a man to do chores?
I said, you can't force a man to do it if he wasn't or had not enjoyed doing it before on his own.
And using words like 'must' and 'should' is where y'all are getting it wrong.

Okay let me take this up a notch;
Hypothetically, if you were married to a man who didn't assist you with the chores, how will you handle it?

a.) You use words like 'must' and 'should' to get him to assist.
b.) You talk gracefully to him about it, and let the matter be laid to rest if he still refuses.
c.) You file for divorce.

Oya go...you have 1day, time starts now

bukatyne:


Unfortunately,

I cannot help you here.

It is clear that the first three questions were from the premises that husband provide & wife domestics.

I opened a thread and after several guess work, I tell you what the tread is about and you still insist.. Odiegwu.

The thread was asking questions strangely no one has provided satisfactory answers to.

Na wah oo, see me see u-turn GTA style ...

The thread is about women who don't have time and are probably tired from work, why didn't you just state that in the OP?

How on earth am I guessing what you typed, but supposed to assume what you did not type (untyped intent)...lol.


Again I ask,
Will the wife of a millionaire who also works and gets home late be asking her millionaire husband to cook and clean because she's tired, has no time, and contributes to finances?

Mindfulness:


A woman doesn't say: "You have to do chores because I pay the bills too'.
A woman says: 'Help me with the chores because I am also tired from work.'

A woman who makes more money than her husband but spends less time at work will still do more chores because she has more time and more energy. It IS NOT about the money. It is about time and energy.

it's you who think about it like that some women will just go home and draw a timetable for house chores with their husbands since they are also working like them... It's good and actually romantic for a husband to give his wife a helping hand at home because it will bring them closer and spend more time together outside their bedroom (because the only quality time some couples together is on the bed) but it must not be made to look like it's something he must always do, if it's like that believe me most men won't take part in the house chores

eitsei:
it's you who think about it like that some women will just go home and draw a timetable for house chores with their husbands since they are also working like them... It's good and actually romantic for a husband to give his wife a helping hand at home because it will bring them closer and spend more time together outside their bedroom (because the only quality time some couples together is on the bed) but it must not be made to look like it's something he must always do, if it's like that believe me most men won't take part in the house chores

I don't care about romantic, I care about pragmatic.

crackhaus:

Is this the realistic response or the Mindfulness response?

I'm sure there are chores that even you don't enjoy doing.

crackhaus:

I'm not your man, how the hell am I supposed to know the answer?

Well, I thought you said you knew how MOST women tick on this thread, didn't you?

crackhaus:

Lol, I'm not that mysterious.
There are few peeps on this same section who know exactly who I am.

You on the other hand, I doubt if anyone on NL has even seen your face...especially someone of the opposite sex

Answer the questions please, and I'll answer any of yours... I give you my word.

Since you have asked three questions, you will also have to answer at least three questions.
And you will have to answer first.

Deal?

crackhaus:

This geh, you taking me back.

Did I ever imply it's wrong for a man to do chores?
I said, you can't force a man to do it if he wasn't or had not enjoyed doing it before on his own.
And using words like 'must' and 'should' is where y'all are getting it wrong.

Okay let me take this up a notch;
Hypothetically, if you were married to a man who didn't assist you with the chores, how will you handle it?

a.) You use words like 'must' and 'should' to get him to assist.
b.) You talk gracefully to him about it, and let the matter be laid to rest if he still refuses.
c.) You file for divorce.

Oya go...you have 1day, time starts now

Okay, I agree you can't force him.

I will go with b but he has to accept, there's no way he'll refuse and have peace in that house, my persuasive skills na die so I don correct the option.

Mindfulness:


I don't care about romantic, I care about pragmatic.

it's still good either way

sweetcocoa:
Somebody please help me out here, ever since I was a teenager, having all those endless fights with my brother over chores, like I never really understood why he would want to eat noodles and because I or my sisters were there, we should be the ones to cook it for him, when he had two hands and legs like us, eh! For what na? and when I refuse ,physical combat don start, with him mostly yelling things like, "don't you know you are a girl, nobody will marry you this stubborn Ogbanje girl if you continue like this"

My point is, what does doing these chores take from you men? Just how does it change you from being who you are? I really want to know because I still don't get why it's such a big deal. It's not like women don't/can't do those jobs considered 'hard' I and so many other women, washed cars growing up, turned on the gen, weeded compounds, climbed trees to pluck fruits, etc, so why do you people find it so difficult to do dishes or cook, just why?

Cc
Crackhaus, 5minsmadness, Acidosis etc.

Honey boo, imma answer this for you. When men start behaving like this, you have to blame their mama and their pops (the inception of such mentality, sorry hun but it's true).

Now, going by nairaland standards, you'll never find men who do such, do chores without being asked to. That's another lie. It's all about how you present yourself from the onset.

Like me for instance, I am not that kind of girl that enjoys cooking, I can do it but men, apart from cooKing for my little man, I can't be arsed.

My boo, cooks everyday..without fail. I do not demand it, he loves it (is a trained chef) so he does it voluntarily. He also does the dishes, laundry, hoovering with me. If my baby is home, he shoos me and says "play with your baby".

My ex was responsible for the grocery shopping ( I guess because he loves shopping, any kind of shopping, as long as it involved parting with dosh ) so he took over and I let him. One less thing to think about.

One thing these two men have in common? They were both raised by single mums. Make you wonder....

Ps how was the night out? Did my girl throw awesome shapes like MJ back in the day?

jadelyn007:
like it's the brides that actually collect these dubious sum of money for bride price. A male friends sister got married the other day and when I asked him why they didn't object to this ungodly bride price amount knowing he would eventually go through same, he said he didn't have a say in the matter. It was actually his uncles who decided.
You men perpetrate this exorbitant bribe price, how you turn around and blame it on the brides is totally beyond me!

in my experience, ladies like the bride price thing as much. There is a lady i met here on NL, she said she likes the bride price thing. She said she prefers it if a man can go through a lot to get her. She sighted the example of Jacob working donkey years to get his 'love'. I have also seen a Toke Makinwa vlog where she talked about lazy toasters. She used this Jacob story to get her point across too.

In a culture i know of, the bride price for father is separate; that of the mother is separate and still more than that of the father. The sisters and brothers all have a separate one. Then the kins men/women would follow! In an ethnic group in Kaduna state, the man buys several echolac of fabrics for the lady. He also buys her gold. Who benefits from this? Isn't it the woman?

If you want to stop bride price culture, then go on ahead! I absolutely have no problem with it! Wedding day has never been said to be a man's biggest day, has it? All wedding songs have never been man-centred! People who look forward to wedding the most, are not men!

I have no problem giving any woman wedding/marriage. But for me, certificate/formal ceremony is not very consequestial. This is why i take every relationship seriously. You will never find me going into a relationship just for the fun of it. I go into a relationship because i love the woman in question; and when i hear men and women say over the radio, or in newspapers that they want a partner for a serious relationship, i get like: "so there are unserious relationships?" for me, all relationships should be serious! If you don't love the lady in question, why ask her out?

craziebone:


I have no problem giving any woman wedding/marriage. But for me, certificate/formal ceremony is not very consequestial. This is why i take every relationship seriously. You will never find me going into a relationship just for the fun of it. I go into a relationship because i love the woman in question; and when i hear men and women say over the radio, or in newspapers that they want a partner for a serious relationship, i get like: "so there are unserious relationships?" for me, all relationships should be serious! If you don't love the lady in question, why ask her out?

Errm, I thought you ask someone out before you get to love them, usually that is.

sweetcocoa:
Okay, I agree you can't force him.

I will go with b but he has to accept, there's no way he'll refuse and have peace in that house, my persuasive skills na die so I don correct the option.

End of story.


Came in late. Been busy.

shaybebaby:

Honey boo, imma answer this for you. When men start behaving like this, you have to blame their mama and their pops (the inception of such mentality, sorry hun but it's true).

Now, going by nairaland standards, you'll never find men who do such, do chores without being asked to. That's another lie. It's all about how you present yourself from the onset.

Like me for instance, I am not that kind of girl that enjoys cooking, I can do it but men, apart from cooKing for my little man, I can't be arsed.

My boo, cooks everyday..without fail. I do not demand it, he loves it (is a trained chef) so he does it voluntarily. He also does the dishes, laundry, hoovering with me. If my baby is home, he shoos me and says "play with your baby".

My ex was responsible for the grocery shopping ( I guess because he loves shopping, any kind of shopping, as long as it involved parting with dosh ) so he took over and I let him. One less thing to think about.

One thing these two men have in common? They were both raised by single mums. Make you wonder....

Ps how was the night out? Did my girl throw awesome shapes like MJ back in the day?

Hi pumpkin, you don't have to apologise as you are right, although my parents were great and all, there was still that consciousness and the yeye only son thingy clouding over us(my dad didn't share the only son sentiment though, it was mostly mum and it pissed us off like mad), though he can cook, he just wasn't encouraged to do so and didn't really partake much in chores, so I know what you mean.

I can't really think of any chores I like doing sef but I do them anyways , though I rarely cook these days but I know I'd love to cook for my mini mes when they start coming(anything for the children), I hope by then this spirit of laxity woulda left me sha.

Aren't you lucky? I'm imagining the mouth watering dishes at your disposal, flex jare my baby, YOLO.

I guess since it was just them and their mums, they spent a lot of time together and that included doing chores together, maybe? I don't know, but they did a good job and now you are reaping the benefits, kudos to them.

Lol, it was fun and trust me, people were starring when I hit the dance floor, thanks to liquid courage.

5minsmadness:

End of story.


Came in late. Been busy.

I see you Mr busy bee, I hope whatever 's taking al your time is raining cheddar o.

sweetcocoa:
Hi pumpkin, you don't have to apologise as you are right, although my parents were great and all, there was still that consciousness and the yeye only son thingy clouding over us(my dad didn't share the only son sentiment though, it was mostly mum and it pissed us off like mad), though he can cook, he just wasn't encouraged to do so and didn't really partake much in chores, so I know what you mean.

I can't really think of any chores I like doing sef but I do them anyways , though I rarely cook these days but I know I'd love to cook for my mini mes when they start coming(anything for the children), I hope by then this spirit of laxity woulda left me sha.

Aren't you lucky? I'm imagining the mouth watering dishes at your disposal, flex jare my baby, YOLO.

I guess since it was just them and their mums, they spent a lot of time together and that included doing chores together, maybe? I don't know, but they did a good job and now you are reaping the benefits, kudos to them.

Lol, it was fun and trust me, people were starring when I hit the dance floor, thanks to liquid courage.

Aaah, only son, only daughter, only child syndrome. We are sometimes guilty of that (even me where my baby is concerned but hoping to grow some resistance to his charm with time and lay down some rules. Otherwise I would be contributing by adding one more man who thinks he exists to be served )

Don't worry about when them little ones arrive, truss, you will arrange yourself sharply. Nature has a way of doing that

Mouth watering delicacies but my goodness, the calories and piling of plate. Still it is a nice gesture just that sometimes I crave simpler naija meals..Garri and groundnuts.

That's the spirit honey boo, you shook what ya mama gave ya. Next time around, I'm coming.

sweetcocoa:
Somebody please help me out here, ever since I was a teenager, having all those endless fights with my brother over chores, like I never really understood why he would want to eat noodles and because I or my sisters were there, we should be the ones to cook it for him, when he had two hands and legs like us, eh! For what na? and when I refuse ,physical combat don start, with him mostly yelling things like, "don't you know you are a girl, nobody will marry you this stubborn Ogbanje girl if you continue like this"

My point is, what does doing these chores take from you men? Just how does it change you from being who you are? I really want to know because I still don't get why it's such a big deal. It's not like women don't/can't do those jobs considered 'hard' I and so many other women, washed cars growing up, turned on the gen, weeded compounds, climbed trees to pluck fruits, etc, so why do you people find it so difficult to do dishes or cook, just why?

Cc
Crackhaus, 5minsmadness, Acidosis etc.

Let me start by apologising. My response is going to be brief, brittle and brisk.

You're a woman. I'm a man. These terms have social as well as biological and even psychological definitions. I cook, clean, wash, sew my own clothes when torn as well as change the flat tire and repair the gen. There is literally nothing in the kitchen that you can do that I can't (except maybe keep it a little tidier...lol) and maybe even a little better in some (I make pounded yam so smooth you'd think you'd died and gone to heaven when u taste it with my goat meat egusi soup).


However all those feminine chores stop when I get married. I want to make sure the woman I marry can be nurturing. I want to make sure she can take care of me and more especially my kids. Her primary role is to nurture. Mine is to protect. Simples. Most of the nurturing takes place in the kitchen i.e cooking, washing plates etc. Any woman that cooks and cleans for a man has already warmed her way into his heart (hence so much infidelity with even ugly housemaids... matter for anothe day).

Now, the woman can earn money for the house yes, but that still is not her primary duty. A family in which the woman is the breadwinner is a failed /dysfunctional family. It might be a temporary in certain cases but should be corrected as soon as possible.

Back to your question: the chores mentioned up there are chores for the female folk. It doesnt mean the men can't do it but it is expected for the women to do it. You don't expect us to have a family meeting and the men will go to the market and cook food. You don't expect to be home with your brother and he'll enter kitchen to cook when u r there. That's a social dysfunction. Just like no one expects u to go and put on the generator or push the car or clear the bush at the backyard when your brother is there. The social order has defined what is appropriate for the men and women to do.

And both sexes should take pride in doing thier duties.

Even in the western world men who constantly do the dishes are said to be hen-pecked. Sure he may help once in a while but it is not by force. In fact a man cooking or doing the dishes during or after a date is so appreciated in the west it is seen as being romantic.

What you r trying to question here is the social order of things. Well, go ahead. Nothing stops you. There has been relative peace in the world for so long people have time to question even the basest of things.



On a lighter note your Bros said u no go find man marry if u continue your Agbero ways... You don find the man so?

You see? He was right

.

sweetcocoa:
I see you Mr busy bee, I hope whatever 's taking al your time is raining cheddar o.

My sista,
You know this government of change has left many Changeless.
So we need to work hard to make more Change to survive this change . No time

sweetcocoa:
Okay, I agree you can't force him.

I will go with b but he has to accept, there's no way he'll refuse and have peace in that house, my persuasive skills na die so I don correct the option.

Glad you finally understood, you really can't force him.

Regarding the bold text though, that is where most women grossly overestimate their powers of persuasion.
Abi your persuasive skills pass how you sex him or how you cook his favourite food?

Mindfulness:


Well, I thought you said you knew how MOST women tick on this thread, didn't you?

Nah, I said that most women would rather keep the peace than nag about not getting help with chores to their husbands - you then asked me if it's really most, and I decided to start the survey with you.

So would you rather keep the peace than nag him over chores?