Decker:


What wisdom? I don't see any here. First of all, God is omniscient and can see into the future, so he knew that this would happen, yet he still created them with the one language, and then starts complaining when they go against his wish. This doesn't even make any sense.

Secondly, God was afraid that they would reach his abode in heaven. Lol. Now this is hilarious and further proves my point that these are concocted tales by ignorant people. The ancient men who wrote the scriptures didn't have knowledge of space. So they assumed God's home was in the sky, and they integrated that idea into the bible.
How come God was afraid that they would reach him in heaven but he isn't afraid skyscrapers, air planes and space shuttles?

You say this because you dont understand the background to the whole scenario and what God was against. Space shuttles etc do not share the same intention with the building of the tower. The influencer of the tower (which I believe was Semiramis wife to Nimrod whose kingdom began at the site of the tower, Shinar Genesis 10:8-10) was simply working towards consolidating on the reputation of her late husband and maintaining the whole then world at one location where she and her son would be worshiped!

Scholar8200:
Was she warned of what would happen if she did so? Was she the only woman? Were not the 2 daughters the ones that should have been more terrified being younger women?

So the punishment for innocently acting out of fear should be death?

So killing a woman who probably on reflex, judging by the circumstances she was in, turns her head as bombs of fiery stones are dropping behind her is right?

Is God so blood thirsty that he resorts to killing people who disobey his orders regardless of the gravity of their crime? A woman who has served you for years, who has a husband and kids, makes a little inconsequential mistake and your only solution is to kill her, despite the fact that you need off springs from her husband, and then your next plan is to endorse incest_between her husband and her daughters? Really?

Decker:


I love your dragon analogy. Now, I live in a world where people believe that dragons exist and I don't. Of course I won't be bothered by their believes as long as:
1. These people don't force me to believe that dragons exists, or constantly bombard me with the message that dragons exist.
2. If I notice that their believe in dragons is having negative effects on the growth and development of the world in which I live in.

Nairaland is a forum, and this is religious section. More than 70% of the threads here are all Christian threads trying to paint Christianity as the truth and as fact, and to coerce people into agreeing with it's system of belief.


Now, Is it wrong to point out the flaws in such belief? I mean, if you are in a room with a group of people and you were served soured food, you'd be a fool to chew and swallow it. And you will also be doing others who were served same food a favor, by warning them that the food is sour.

Of course I am against every religion, but I am also Nigerian and I live in Nigeria. And there are two main religions in Nigeria, and I have noticed that these two religions are doing more harm than good, and they are hampering intellectual and socio-political development in the country, so I use whatever opportunity I have to educate people on the wrongs of these religions. I also appraise Islam the same way I appraise Christianity and concept of religion in general.

You are missing the point. I am not in a war with your God. Of course he isn't real, but there is no way I would appraise a belief system without appraising the bedrock of that belief. The foundation of Christianity is the believe in the bible God, and I am trying to show you how laughable and ridiculous such belief is, and how contradicting the biblical description of God is as well.

And you seem so pained. Why? Am I saying the truth? Why didn't you counter the comments I made? Why do you guys always get so worked up when someone appraises your beliefs? If your beliefs are true and valid and devoid of loop holes and self contradictions, then you'd be confident and defend it, instead of resorting to evasive tactics like you are doing.

1. Most scums of the Nigerian society are atheists

2 . You have to prove atheism is beneficial . How are you better than any theists in Nigeria

Decker:


So the punishment for innocently acting out of fear should be death?

So killing a woman who probably on reflex, judging by the circumstances she was in, turns her head as bombs of fiery stones are dropping behind her is right?

Is God so blood thirsty that he resorts to killing people who disobey his orders regardless of the gravity of their crime? A woman who has served you for years, who has a husband and kids, makes a little inconsequential mistake and your only solution is to kill her, despite the fact that you need off springs from her husband, and then your next plan is to endorse incest_between her husband and her daughters? Really?

You did not answer my question. Was she warned? Now a person tells his child dont play with fire, it burns. She disobeys and gets burnt, who do we blame? Judgement had already been released and God had ensured they were dragged out of it but they were warned that this judgement released must not be seen with your eyes else it swallows you up. Lot's wife disobeys and gets swallowed up, who do we blame?

KingEbukasBlog:


1. Most scums of the Nigerian society are atheists

2 . You have to prove atheism is beneficial . How are you better than any theists in Nigeria

And please do mention these scums, because the last time I checked, religion is the primary problem of this country. Not only is it hampering socio polictical progress, it's also acting as a resistance to intellectual growth and development.

Majority of the thieving politicians are theists. The killings and bombings in the north are all motivated by religion and supported and executed by islamic theists. Your clueless president and majority of the members of his cabinet are theists. How about the dubious, deceitful pastors who preach for their pockets? Aren't they theists as well? How about the stories we see on front page about the people who brutally murder their wives, siblings and friends. Majority of them, if not all, are theists. Most of the prostitutes, robbers, 419ers and sex offenders in this country are theists.


So again, mention these Nigerian atheist scums you are referring to.

Decker:


And please do mention these scums, because the last time I checked, religion is the primary problem of this country. Not only is it hampering socio polictical progress, it's also acting as a resistance to intellectual growth and development. Majority of the thieving politicians are theists. The killings and bombings in the north are all motivated by religion and supported and executed by islamic theists. Your clueless president and majority of the members of his cabinet are theists. How about the dubious, deceitful pastors who preach for their pockets? Aren't they theists as well? How about the stories we see on front page about the people who brutally murder their wives, siblings and friends. Majority of them, if not all, are theists. Most prostitutes and robbers in this country, are theists.
So, again, mention these atheist scums you are referring to.

Lol . Try preaching to he robbers , touts or prostitutes and get mocked . North Korea is an atheist state and what do they have to show for it ? A megalomaniacal buffoon as a president . The top three countries with the lowest poverty rate are Taiwan , Malaysia , sorry I can't remember the third one and they are religious . Norway is the most advanced country in the world with the religious prespondent. The worst atrocities done to mankind were carried out by atheists - led to the death of 254 million people . Hitler would have added over 20 million but the breakthrough of conquering the Enigma obviated the disaster . Nk's president feeds people to dogs . Dogs !!! And capriciously executes people , even for venial offences . Should we talk of Sweden , whom most atheists , claim to have themselves preponderant with the quotidian reported rape cases . Police brutality in France or morally decadent South Africa. Where is this elusive proof atheists claim that makes them better than theists ? Where ?

Many are called indeed but few are chosen - that's what I can say for Christians who are morally depraved

Decker:


And please do mention these scums, because the last time I checked, religion is the primary problem of this country. Not only is it hampering socio polictical progress, it's also acting as a resistance to intellectual growth and development.

Majority of the thieving politicians are theists. The killings and bombings in the north are all motivated by religion and supported and executed by islamic theists. Your clueless president and majority of the members of his cabinet are theists. How about the dubious, deceitful pastors who preach for their pockets? Aren't they theists as well? How about the stories we see on front page about the people who brutally murder their wives, siblings and friends. Majority of them, if not all, are theists. Most of the prostitutes, robbers, 419ers and sex offenders in this country are theists.


So again, mention these atheist scums you are referring to.

For the Christians who engage in all these , name just one Christian belief/principle that condones any of these depravities . Just one . These Christians know God is against such but go ahead anyway ! Will a switch to atheism magically turn their lives around ? Show/ Tell me with proof .

Decker:


I love your dragon analogy. Now, I live in a world where people believe that dragons exist and I don't. Of course I won't be bothered by their believes as long as:
1. These people don't force me to believe that dragons exists, or constantly bombard me with the message that dragons exist.
2. If I notice that their believe in dragons is having negative effects on the growth and development of the world in which I live in.

Nairaland is a forum, and this is religious section. More than 70% of the threads here are all Christian threads trying to paint Christianity as the truth and as fact, and to coerce people into agreeing with it's system of belief.
Now, Is it wrong to point out the flaws in such belief? I mean, if you are in a room with a group of people and you were served soured food, you'd be a fool to chew and swallow it. And you will also be doing others who were served same food a favor, by warning them that the food is sour.

Of course I am against every religion, but I am also Nigerian and I live in Nigeria. And there are two main religions in Nigeria, and I have noticed that these two religions are doing more harm than good, and they are hampering intellectual and socio-political development in the country, so I use whatever opportunity I have to educate people on the wrongs of these religions. I also appraise Islam the same way I appraise Christianity and concept of religion in general.

You are missing the point. I am not in a war with your God. Of course he isn't real, but there is no way I would appraise a belief system without appraising the bedrock of that belief. The foundation of Christianity is the believe in the bible God, and I am trying to show you how laughable and ridiculous such belief is, and how contradicting the biblical description of God is as well.

And you seem so pained. Why? Am I saying the truth? Why didn't you counter the comments I made? Why do you guys always get so worked up when someone appraises your beliefs? If your beliefs are true and valid and devoid of loop holes and self contradictions, then you'd be confident and defend it, instead of resorting to evasive tactics like you are doing.

I'm glad you like the dragon analogy. But you're still not getting it. You don't have to believe it and you don't have to try and disprove it if you don't believe it, because it won't stop people from believing. You're actually in the minority worldwide by being an atheist (compared to the religious people).
Nobody has forced Christianity down your throat, it's always still a CHOICE to believe it. If you can provide a true story or some sort of proof of you being "forced" or being put under duress to listen to put become a Christian, we will believe it.

And most theist nations are actually world powers, so I can't see how religion is detrimental to the world as you think.

Pained? No.

Just wondering why you're out for something you don't even believe in.

I'm not worried about you appraising Christianity. You can appraise it and all the other religions despite your 70% claims. Though, if you appraised Islam as actively s you appraise Christianity here on nairaland, you should be a member of their group.

And please, tell me of my "evasive tactics"? I'd really like to hear about those. You want me to make you believe what you don't believe in? Am I the concept of choice in you?

KingEbukasBlog:


For the Christians who engage in all these , name just one Christian belief/principle that condones any of these depravities . Just one . These Christians know God is against such but go ahead anyway ! Will a switch to atheism magically turn their lives around ? Show/ Tell me with proof .

Hello there. It's been a while I last saw you here. You're still decking it out with them?

Tellemall:


Hello there. It's been a while I last saw you here. You're still decking it out with them?

Should be during the exam period + when I was through , I entered with rage and was banned for a week . . But I'm here to enjoy denigrating these irrational ones for a while

Tellemall:


I'm glad you like the dragon analogy. But you're still not getting it. You don't have to believe it and you don't have to try and disprove it if you don't believe it, because it won't stop people from believing. You're actually in the minority worldwide by being an atheist (compared to the religious people).
Nobody has forced Christianity down your throat, it's always still a CHOICE to believe it. If you can provide a true story or some sort of proof of you being "forced" or being put under duress to listen to put become a Christian, we will believe it.

And most theist nations are actually world powers, so I can't see how religion is detrimental to the world as you think.

Pained? No.

Just wondering why you're out for something you don't even believe in.

I'm not worried about you appraising Christianity. You can appraise it and all the other religions despite your 70% claims. Though, if you appraised Islam as actively s you appraise Christianity here on nairaland, you should be a member of their group.

And please, tell me of my "evasive tactics"? I'd really like to hear about those. You want me to make you believe what you don't believe in? Am I the concept of choice in you?

Does anyone go about throwing tantrums about not getting Santa's gift on Christmas . Shows that the rebellious spirit in them has always fought and will always fight to repel criticism from we Christians

KingEbukasBlog:


Does anyone go about throwing tantrums about not getting Santa's gift on Christmas . Shows that the rebellious spirit in them has always fought and will always fight to repel criticism from we Christians

Later they will tell you they are appraising something.

Question 1. You're an atheist, but why are you only against Christianity? Didn't you read the fine print for ownership of the title "atheist"? It means you should contend with every single last religion, because it's against your belief of disbelief.

Question 2. If you don't believe in God, what are you trying to convince people of about somebody you know does not exist?
They may then tell you that religion (Christianity) is detrimental to the society. How? Tell us exactly how.

The biggest shock of atheists is their mass fraud. They even believe in the supernatural. Isn't God supernatural?

I'm quite certain 99% of atheists in Nigeria are just frustrated Christians. Their modus operandi tells.

KingEbukasBlog:


Should be during the exam period + when I was through , I entered with rage and was banned for a week . . But I'm here to enjoy denigrating these irrational ones for a while

Lol. Don't you be getting angry with them. They're jokers, half of them.

Focus on em papers and slay em.

Tellemall:


Lol. Don't you be getting angry with them. They're jokers, half of them.

Focus on em papers and slay em.

Thanks bro

Tellemall:


Later they will tell you they are appraising something.

Question 1. You're an atheist, but why are you only against Christianity? Didn't you read the fine print for ownership of the title "atheist"? It means you should contend with every single last religion, because it's against your belief of disbelief.

Question 2. If you don't believe in God, what are you trying to convince people of about somebody you know does not exist?
They may then tell you that religion (Christianity) is detrimental to the society. How? Tell us exactly how.

The biggest shock of atheists is their mass fraud. They even believe in the supernatural. Isn't God supernatural?

I'm quite certain 99% of atheists in Nigeria are just frustrated Christians. Their modus operandi tells.

Thank you ! There are atheists who believe in ghosts , spirit but not God (a spirit). How rational .

Christians preach because we are obeying God's behest and sharing the knowledge of our belief in Him . But who/what commanded the atheists , plus does one share the knowledge of his lack of belief

Atheism is focused on Christianity . Can't you see most atheists want Nigerians to go back to the worship of ancestral gods . You don't believe in God/gods but want the worship of gods not God . Makes a lot of sense

Decker:


What wisdom? I don't see any here. First of all, God is omniscient and can see into the future, so he knew that this would happen, yet he still created them with the one language, and then starts complaining when they go against his wish. This doesn't even make any sense.

Secondly, God was afraid that they would reach his abode in heaven. Lol. Now this is hilarious and further proves my point that these are concocted tales by ignorant people. The ancient men who wrote the scriptures didn't have knowledge of space. So they assumed God's home was in the sky, and they integrated that idea into the bible.
How come God was afraid that they would reach him in heaven but he isn't afraid skyscrapers, air planes and space shuttles?

Ignorant bullshit.

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol . Try preaching to he robbers , touts or prostitutes and get mocked . North Korea is an atheist state and what do they have to show for it ? A megalomaniacal buffoon as a president . The top three countries with the lowest poverty rate are Taiwan , Malaysia , sorry I can't remember the third one and they are religious . Norway is the most advanced country in the world with the religious prespondent. The worst atrocities done to mankind were carried out by atheists - led to the death of 254 million people . Hitler would have added over 20 million but the breakthrough of conquering the Enigma obviated the disaster . Nk's president feeds people to dogs . Dogs !!! And capriciously executes people , even for venial offences . Should we talk of Sweden , whom most atheists , claim to have themselves preponderant with the quotidian reported rape cases . Police brutality in France or morally decadent South Africa. Where is this elusive proof atheists claim that makes them better than theists ? Where ?

Many are called indeed but few are chosen - that's what I can say for Christians who are morally depraved

What are you saying? The robbers and prostitutes you are referring to actually believe in God. They attend church and they pray. I know a guy who everyone knows is a robber, but yet, he is a theist. Haven't you heard of robbers that pray before they go on their robbery missions?

It's funny how you carefully left out the religious motivated brutal killings by ISIS in the middle east. How about the torture and killings of Agnostics, deists, pagans and non believers by the church? How about the crusades? The persecution of non christians by the christian roman empire? How about the genocide of the Cathars? How about the spanish inquisition; the slaughtering of 350,000 men and women, endorsed by Pope Sixtus IV? What about the burning of thousands of women and children who were considered to be witches and heretics, by the church ? You also left out the peasant wars and other religiously motivated wars and massacres.

Please get your facts right. Statistically, countries who are less religious tend to fair better in terms of low crime rates, democracy, human rights, educational attainment and life expectancy, while those who are more religious like Nigeria, Pakistan, Egypt, Morocco, Uganda, etc, tend to be more problem ridden in terms of violent crimes rates, high infant mobility rate, high rates of corruption and high poverty rates.

Countries like Brazil, Columbia and mexico who are highly theistic have the highest homicide rates, while countries like Sweden and Japan with high population of non-theists have the lowest homicidal rates.

The safest and most peaceful countries to live in are majorly non-religious and of course the least safest countries to live in are the extremely religious ones.

And I just asked you to mention few of the atheist scums you earlier said we had in Nigeria, and instead, you deviated to yapping about non Nigerians. Smh.

Decker:
God kills Lot's wife for looking the wrong way, but condones incest_between him and his daughters.

Come on, incest_isn't that much of a deal right? It's just sex between a man and his virgin daughter. Who cares. But do you know what's a big deal? Looking back when your city is being destroyed, and fire and brimstone is dropping like cow dung behind your back. That deserves the death penalty. Anyone who does that deserves to die a sad, pathetic death.

Beautiful thread!
Me enjoying it like yam porridge

HardMirror:

Beautiful thread!
Me enjoying it like yam porridge

Decker:


What are you saying? The robbers and prostitutes you are referring to actually believe in God. They attend church and they pray. I know a guy who everyone knows is a robber, but yet, he is a theist. Haven't you heard of robbers that pray before they go on their robbery missions?

So they attend churches and even pray but when preached to , they mock our beliefs . Very rational point you made . Robbers pray before they rob to the same God that says all sinners will go to hell? Such puerile rebuttal.

It's funny how you carefully left out the religious motivated brutal killings by ISIS in the middle east. How about the torture and killings of Agnostics, deists, pagans and non believers by the church? How about the crusades? The persecution of non christians by the christian roman empire? How about the genocide of the Cathars? How about the spanish inquisition; the slaughtering of 350,000 men and women, endorsed by Pope Sixtus IV? What about the burning of thousands of women and children who were considered to be witches and heretics, by the church ? You also left out the peasant wars and other religiously motivated wars and massacres.

I conveniently left that out because they are acting against God's commands . Catholics have been bashed over the centuries for being devilish and errant . Don't you think that Satan who they actually worship commanded those to tarnish image of Christianity ? Think !

For the Muslims , I'm not a Muslim , so ...

Please get your facts right. Statistically, countries who are less religious tend to fair better in terms of low crime rates, democracy, human rights, educational attainment and life expectancy, while those who are more religious like Nigeria, Pakistan, Egypt, Morocco, Uganda, etc, tend to be more problem ridden in terms of violent crimes rates, high infant mobility rate, high rates of corruption and high poverty rates.

Don't tell me to get my facts right when there is no proof that I am wrong . Which Christian belief condones depravities? . There are only three or four officially recognized atheist states - North Korea , Vietnam and can't remember the third and fourth .

Countries like Brazil, Columbia and mexico who are highly theistic have the highest homicide rates, while countries like Sweden and Japan with high population of non-theists have the lowest homicidal rates.

These are not atheist states . Latin Americans are Catholics , real Christians are not Catholics . But they do not put in practice what they are taught or believe in .

Majority of serial killers and murderers, both past and present and are religious.

The bible said that all sinners , including the religious and atheists , will go to hell .

The safest and most peaceful countries to live in are majorly non-religious and of course the least safest countries to live in are the extremely ones.

Switzerland and Saudi Arabia have one of the lowest crime rates in the world and they are religious . Wait ! Are you regurgitating bullshit from atheist sites here . North Korea has one of the worst crime rates in the world

And I just asked you to mention few of the atheist scums you earlier said we had in Nigeria, and instead, you deviated to yapping about non Nigerians. Smh.

The atheists are the scums

MrPresident1:


Ignorant bullshit.

Cos they saw aliens init?

KingEbukasBlog:


Thank you ! There are atheists who believe in ghosts , spirit but not God (a spirit). How rational .

Christians preach because we are obeying God's behest and sharing the knowledge of our belief in Him . But who/what commanded the atheists , plus does one share the knowledge of his lack of belief

Atheism is focused on Christianity . Can't you see most atheists want Nigerians to go back to the worship of ancestral gods . You don't believe in God/gods but want the worship of gods not God . Makes a lot of sense

Very confused bunch. Lol.

They believe they saw a ghost but cannot scientifically explain it to us. But once it's Christianity they need proof.

I've told them before that they've mixed up intellectualism with atheism.

Decker:
God kills Lot's wife for looking the wrong way, but condones incest_between him and his daughters.

Come on, incest_isn't that much of a deal right? It's just sex between a man and his virgin daughter. Who cares. But do you know what's a big deal? Looking back when your city is being destroyed, and fire and brimstone is dropping like cow dung behind your back. That deserves the death penalty. Anyone who does that deserves to die a sad, pathetic death.

Why did you claim God condoned it . Provide verses as your proof

lepasharon:


Cos they saw aliens init?

I will do a thread to prove that the writers of the Bible were space explorers, they have been to every nook and cranny of the universe.

MrPresident1:


I will do a thread to prove that the writers of the Bible were space explorers, they have been to every nook and cranny of the universe.

How?

lepasharon:

How?

I will try to prove this from the Bible. The Negros, who wrote the Bible, explored the universe

Notice that the responses from theists so far have mostly fallen into the following three categories:

1. False persecution complex. "Why are you angry mean atheists attacking Christianity, we didn't do anything!" Basically a tactic to divert the conversation and avoid or discourage any criticisms of their beliefs.

And it ignores the tremendous impact that Christian agendas have not only in Nigeria but worldwide. If any other institution was so powerful, and a small group of people uncovered it as a fraud, it would only be natural for them to be vocal about it in hopes to enlighten the masses.

Also, no atheist is calling for the forceful extermination of religion. We're calling for the opening of minds. Critical thinking. The thousands of ex-Christians and ex-Muslims that are made every year walk out willingly when they realize the falsehoods of religion. No one puts a gun to their head (or threatens them with ideas like eternal punishment).

2. Blatant insults targeting the characters of atheists as people. Another diversion tactic, as well as a rather elementary defense mechanism. And as I've pointed out in prior posts, there is a considerable amount of research that points to humanists & secular societies actually being more peaceful, more innovative, and less tribalistic. So said insults are not just petty but completely unfounded.

3. Played out apologetics. The same tired excuses theists use again and again to try & defend the indefensible. Sounding eerily like victims of domestic abuse, making all sorts of excuses to defend their abuser which appear clearly inadequate to outsiders looking in, but totally valid to those still within the abuser's mind control.

There is a limited number of arguments & apologetics a theist can put forward before they're uncovered as empty again and again. When that happens, all that's left for the theist to resort to are insults & deflections.

OP this is a great thread and your arguments are straightforward & hard hitting. Keep it up.

cloudgoddess:
Notice that the responses from theists so far have mostly fallen into the following three categories:

1. False persecution complex. "Why are you angry mean atheists attacking Christianity, we didn't do anything!" Basically a tactic to divert the conversation and avoid or discourage any criticisms of their beliefs.

And it ignores the tremendous impact that Christian agendas have not only in Nigeria but worldwide. If any other institution was so powerful, and a small group of people uncovered it as a fraud, it would only be natural for them to be vocal about it in hopes to enlighten the masses.

Also, no atheist is calling for the forceful extermination of religion. We're calling for the opening of minds. Critical thinking. The thousands of ex-Christians and ex-Muslims that are made every year walk out willingly when they realize the falsehoods of religion. No one puts a gun to their head (or threatens them with ideas like eternal punishment).

2. Blatant insults targeting the characters of atheists as people. Another diversion tactic, as well as a rather elementary defense mechanism. And as I've pointed out in prior posts, there is a considerable amount of research that points to humanists & secular societies actually being more peaceful, more innovative, and less tribalistic. So said insults are not just petty but completely unfounded.

3. Played out apologetics. The same tired excuses theists use again and again to try & defend the indefensible. Sounding eerily like victims of domestic abuse, making all sorts of excuses to defend their abuser which appear clearly inadequate to outsiders looking in, but totally valid to those still within the abuser's mind control.

There is a limited number of arguments & apologetics a theist can put forward before they're uncovered as empty again and again. When that happens, all that's left for the theist to resort to are insults & deflections.

OP this is a great thread and your arguments are straightforward & hard hitting. Keep it up.

Very glaring . . . I advice the OP to keep his straight forward arguments without resorting to the insults and other demeaning argumentative flaws the theists are employing here.

People are reading and i have no doubt people no an unfounded slander, ad hominem and plain idiocy when they see one.

Decker:

You are hitting hard bro, keep it up and keep it straight... Nice Job

Decker please continue.

Your post might be what someone needs to get his/her curiousity awakened.

Weldone

God gives Adam and Eve a command that demands the understanding of good and evil. And the command is to not eat of the tree that gives them the knowledge of good and evil. And then he punishes them and their generations to come for disobeying that command

To be honest guys, I don't get this. Disobedience is evil. You create two people and you don't create them with the knowledge to know what disobedience(evil) is, and you tell them not to eat from a tree that would give them the understanding of what eating of the tree implies, and then you place a curse on them and all of humanity when they eat of the tree. This makes no sense to me.