Does America earn the right to police the world?
If you think so, what is the UN doing for us all then?
Do you think the UN has become irrelevant?

I have a political science friend who told me America is fulfilling a moral and political role in pursuing the fights they have in Iraq and other places.
He sees it as a fight against the anti christ. That America is carrying out a devine duty.

Well I don't see much of what they are doing except bullying oil rich nations and imposing puppet regimes on them.
Is America really saving the world from a relentless onslaught of terrorists from the middle east or they a just an oil hungry nation of smart alecs.
What or who gave America the right to save us from terrorists?

Does America earn the right to police the world?

No

What or who gave America the right to save us from terrorists?

Nothing and No one.

Are you surprised.
They have always needed an enemy number one.
Without one they are nothing.

Some christian fanatics think its divine intervention since they have concluded that the antichrist will come from the middle east.
President Bush frequently uses this false claim to good advantage. Trust a politician.

IBEXY:

Does America earn the right to police the world?

In as much as the answer is no, can u imagine the world without a u.s?

yes they have assumed a self induced sense of moral compass , blahh, blah, blah but dont forget that dey have managed in a lot of way to aid in checking a lot of distasteful stuff that has gone on in the world,

IBEXY:


Is America really saving the world from a relentless onslaught of terrorists from the middle east or they a just an oil hungry nation of smart alecs.
What or who gave America the right to save us from terrorists?

I for one believed that the invasion of iraq under bush jnr was not necessary and was very rash but let us look beyond iraq to other scenarios where u.s. intervention has actually helped to ameliorate issues e.g. the invasion of kuwait by saddam in 1991,world war II e.t.c.

IBEXY:

What or who gave America the right to save us from terrorists?

noone my broda but who else do u think that can fight them? or who do u feel has d will to embark on same?

buchio7:

I for one believed that the invasion of iraq under bush jnr was not necessary and was very rash but let us look beyond iraq to other scenarios where u.s. intervention has actually helped to ameliorate issues e.g. the invasion of kuwait by saddam in 1991,world war II e.t.c.

You believe deep down in you that the invasion of Iraq was a ruse to settle whaetever scores US had with Iraq. Recent events have revealed the claim of Weapons of Mass dectruction was delibrately drummed up to seek justification.
How can a lying, bullying nation get moral justification to fight evil.

buchio7:
noone my brother but who else do u think that can fight them? or who do u feel has d will to embark on same?

The UN can play the same role if US would give 100% support as is meant to be. Or dont u think?

Why was the UN set up? Who is the greatest threat to the existence of UN today? Maybe its America once again.

If America would throw their weight behind the UN instead of pursuing solo, selfish exploits, dont u think the UN would for once live up to expectation.

The same America will be the first to defy and even challenge this same institution they helped set up to profer world peace.

IBEXY:

Some christian fanatics think its divine intervention since they have concluded that the antichrist will come from the middle east.
President Bush frequently uses this false claim to good advantage. Trust a politician.

divine intervention ko.
if they beleive in the anti-christ, then its surprising that they don't know that the anti-christ's coming is ineveitable.
Who gave them power for divine intervention 

IBEXY:

The UN can play the same role if US would give 100% support as is meant to be. Or don't u think?

Why was the UN set up? Who is the greatest threat to the existence of UN today? Maybe its America once again.

If America would throw their weight behind the UN instead of pursuing solo, selfish exploits, don't u think the UN would for once live up to expectation.

The same America will be the first to defy and even challenge this same institution they helped set up to profer world peace.

totally feel you.

All of una thank you.

I strongly believe the American economy will crumble if there was peace in the world hence the need for them to beat drums of war. The military is the biggest industry in America. If there is no war to fight or prepare for, there will be nothing for several hundreds of thousands of Americans to feed on.

Think about it, if America was to recall every one of it's military personnel serving abroad, what would they be able to do productively?

interesting point Easyy

Easyy:

I strongly believe the American economy will crumble if there was peace in the world hence the need for them to beat drums of war. The military is the biggest industry in America. If there is no war to fight or prepare for, there will be nothing for several hundreds of thousands of Americans to feed on.

Think about it, if America was to recall every one of it's military personnel serving abroad, what would they be able to do productively?

totally disagree with this ur line of reasoning because it just does nt follow. Anybody who knws abt this particular iraq war knws dat dey have lost a great deal more dan dey can ever gain frm it. They have spent demselves into a deficit in dis war,dey have channeled human n material resources dey cld have put in other places(more profitable places dat is)into iraq with no results to justify it after 2+years. So what do u really think they have gained economically?

IBEXY:

The UN can play the same role if US would give 100% support as is meant to be. Or don't u think?

I cant believe i am saying this but it is d unalloyed truth, the u.n. cant do jack abt anything because of the veto power wielded by such countries like china,russia n france which will always defeat any reasonable resolution to engage a terrorist natione.g. see hw dey cldnt even make a solid stand on north koreas nuclear test.

I have actually defended the u.n. in other threads bt it is galring dat its oversight functions/powers is being purposely frustrated by member nations who have selfish interests.

IBEXY:

Recent events have revealed the claim of Weapons of Mass dectruction was delibrately drummed up to seek justification.

yes this is true because even b4 d invasion by d u.s.,the c.i.a. said in a report that there is no clear n present danger posed by either saddam nor iraq to u.s. affairs.

nilla:


Who gave them power for divine intervention

like it or nt they have a right to engage an enemy who is seen as a threat to dere security,economy e.t.c. if dey didnt operate like dat world war II wld nt have ended in a good note because if u look at it incisively it was when america came into the war that the allies actually started conquering the germans from the west

buchio7:

like it or nt they have a right to engage an enemy who is seen as a threat to dere security,economy e.t.c. if dey didnt operate like that world war II would nt have ended in a good note because if u look at it incisively it was when america came into the war that the allies actually started conquering the germans from the west

i am not really sure what to comment because my comment was to IBEXY on divine intervention . . .regarding the antichrist.

but. . . yes they have a right to engage whoever is a threat to them. so can you tell me who's their threat? Iraq 


regarding the world war II ending on a good note .  .  all i can remember is they are the ones that used the WMD that they are so intent on not letting others have 

nilla:

regarding the world war II ending on a good note . . all i can remember is they are the ones that used the WMD that they are so intent on not letting others have

THE QUESTION IS WHY DID DEY USE IT? jAPAN BOMBED PEARL HARBOUR KILLING HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS AS WELL AS DESTROYING AMERICAN PROPERTY. JAPAN CAME LOOKING FOR TROUBLE IN ANOTHER MANS BACKYARD AND THEY GOT WAT THE U.S. HAD TO DISH OUT.

AS FR THE ISSUE OF WMDs, imagine wat would happen if ppl like ghadafi had dem in the 80's or if Milosevic in serbia had it or ortega in nicaragua had it in the late 80's? can u imagine the type of threat these despots cld pose to there regions? yes dey need to check the proliferation of wmds by some of these rogue states.

nilla:

so can you tell me who's their threat? Iraq

the definition of an enemy by the u.s. is anything or anybody who poses a threat to u.s. economic,political or social climate and in that frame i can give u 3 examples, iran,north-korea,syria,

@ buchio,

any country that has WMD is a threat to the countries that dont have period.

I'm an anti-weapon person. but if some have, others have a right to have. So i'm not going to worry my head thinking what would have happpened if those "bad guys" you mentioned below had WMDS. in my opinion Bush has being acting like a "Bad guy" too.

the definition of an enemy by the u.s. is anything or anybody who poses a threat to u.s. economic,political or social climate and in that frame i can give u 3 examples, iran,north-korea,syria,

Why don't you have iraq on that list?
and i guess we should expect an attack on those 3 countries right

_{i think we are kind of derailing the thread though. what do you think?}

Buchio,

The fact that America lost a lot of money executing the Iraq war is a lot of bollocks. The loss was mainly in terms of weaponry and military amunition. The loss is not a real loss as the govt's loss is internal and being fed upon by american private companies. That's not particularly a loss. It is a shift of wealth from Govt to private hands within the same economy.

You should answer the question, what would happen if America recalls all of it's military personnel stationed abroad? What would happen if America's military industry was to be made redundant in the event of worldwide peace?

Back to the topic on thread, it appears that America has set a precedent, if Iran becomes the most powerful nation in the world at some point later, it will also attack all nations who are seen as it's economic and political opponents.

Bullying is the American way of doing things. NOW, dont remind me about any benefit of the WW becos that should not be the justification for killing innocent people worldwide.

@nilla
we will just be going back and forth on this argument. I will just end this by saying this, america has a right to defend itself and its interests just d same way naija defended its interest in sao tome. 3000 + lives(INNOCENT LIVES)was lost in 9/11 courtesy of radicals who felt they had to prove a point the same way north korea is going abt proving its point by testing nuclear weapon. I shudder if the arsenal of these terrorist goes to handling wmds too.

I also have reservations on how some policies especially under this administration is carried out but that does nt change the fact that there r some countries run by despots who r incapable of reasoning positively. They shd be curtailed frm amassing these weapons(i.e. despotic regimes.

Easyy:

Buchio,

The loss was mainly in terms of weaponry and military amunition.

You failed to mention men and women ,fathers,mothers,brothers and sisters who died prosecuting this war, I feel this ur statement is d begining of the "bollocks" u so generously mentioned
which country do u feel enjoys losing soldiers to war? definitely nt america

Easyy:

NOW, don't remind me about any benefit of the WW

why shdnt i talk abt there intervention? the acted in world war II because dey believed they were going to be next target if britain n other allies fell to d germans,

@nilla

I dont have iraq on the list because saddam who was the central theme behind iraqs invation is no longer a factor .

@ buchio7,

I'm sure more than 3000 innocent lives have been lost in iraq. So i guess the US had better prepare for an attack from iraq or some iraqis' in the future _{(near or distant).}
Yes US has a right to defend itself. All that time they spent in Iraq could have been spent looking for Bin Laden.
How Iraq now represented Bin Laden, I'm yet to figure

I don't have iraq on the list because saddam who was the central theme behind iraqs invation is no longer a factor .

you mean wrongful iraq invasion.


Like you said, we would keep going back and forward on this argument, so we better quit.

And once again: America has not earned the right to police the world.

what would happen if America recalls all of it's military personnel stationed abroad?

America as the sole superpower has a unique role in international affairs.It provides 20 percent of UN funding,80 percent of world humanitarian food aid and 22 percent of the Global economy.

I prefer having the United States as the sole superpower than any other country.Would you rather have China?

If you hav followed my write up,u wld remember me saying that i felt the invasion of iraq was rash and foolhardy which the republicans r paying for now in the local politics.

@ easy

ur destination like always is just to state dat american big business will lose profits if the war ends so dont keep asking me wat will happen,

@Easy
If America withdrew all of its forces from abroad it will be disastrous for the world.

In South East Asia,Japan and South Korea will go nuclear as the only thing keeping them from doing so is the security guarantees that they have from the United States.So also will Taiwan.

In Afghanistan,the Taleban will take over and turn the country into a terrorist sanctuary where gruops like Al-Qaeda will have the freedom to operate.

In Iraq,the Govt of Noura Al-Maliki will collapse and the country will descend faster into genoicidal ethnic conflict resembling Burundi and Rwanda in the mid 90s

In Kosovo and Bosnia,the fragile peace btw the various ethnic groups will severely tested

In summary,any withdrawal of US forces around the world will precipitate disaster on a scale never seen before.Even a movement in the US towards isolationism will be detrimental to world peace

@4play
in as much as i understand there point of view but they just havent understood the implication if america isnt playing its policing role.

4Play, thanks.

Before American forces got to Afghanistan, it was a country run by the Taleban, not that it was properly run but it did not disturb anybody else. BTW I was not initially against American invasion of Afghanistan, I now feel disturbed by it.

What will happen if South East Asia, Korea and Japan go nuclear and how do you know that's what will happen? Anyone could have argued in the past that America will also turn the world into a chaotic ground if it possessed nuclear weapons (it's actually doing so now).

I am beginning to think China as a super power might be better than America which bullies everyone and uses it's media and public relations mechanism to spread false propaganda. A propaganda in which any opposing view is seen as terrorist or part of the axis of evil as concocted by war monger Bush

If America never destroyed every infrastructure in Iraq in order to send it's personnel there, there will be no such fiasco in Iraq.

Why are American troops not in Congo and other African countries plagued by conflicts? Perhaps, they do not have economic benefits to George Bush's America

@Easy
If America withdrew all of its forces from abroad it will be disastrous for the world.

In South East Asia,Japan and South Korea will go nuclear as the only thing keeping them from doing so is the security guarantees that they have from the United States.So also will Taiwan.

In Afghanistan,the Taleban will take over and turn the country into a terrorist sanctuary where gruops like Al-Qaeda will have the freedom to operate.

In Iraq,the Govt of Noura Al-Maliki will collapse and the country will descend faster into genoicidal ethnic conflict resembling Burundi and Rwanda in the mid 90s

In Kosovo and Bosnia,the fragile peace between the various ethnic groups will severely tested

In summary,any withdrawal of US forces around the world will precipitate disaster on a scale never seen before.Even a movement in the US towards isolationism will be detrimental to world peace

every single point you made is bullshit

people do not stop killing themselves and conflicts do not resolve just because the US has military bases in the country. Look at Iraq. We have military bases there and people are getting killed by the thousands.

Thanks Shango.

4play has been fed too much American propaganda

George bush believes he is carrying out a devine injunction by invading iraq, afghanistan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html


How did America elect this maniac into the white house.

A severe case of delusion of grandeur.

@IBEXY
You have to be gullibe to believe  outright what the Palestinians had to say about a private conversation with President Bush.Strangely there is no record of President Bush ever telling anyone,not even members of his local church,that God commanded him to invade nations.Off alll the people he had to tell,it was a group of Palestinian muslims.

 
@Sango
The point is not that people will automatically stop dying when American troops come into their country.The point is that the world will not be a better place if American troops pull out from everywhere.The places I mentioned will not be  better places if American troops were to pull out.Why do you think that in Iraq,South Korea and Japan,their respective govts all want American troops to stay.Do u have a better grasp of these countries security interests than their policy makers.

The fact of the matter is that their is knee jerk anti-Americanism which is popular in the modern world.A tendency to see everything America does in a bad light,especially the Bush adminstration.People who think that China will be a better superpower have not heard of Tibet,Uighur muslims,the Falun Gong.In China you can not worship God freely,no democracy,freedom of speech or anything like the various liberties that Nigerians aspire for.   

P.S-America invaded Iraq for oil-A regular accusation I have heard.Can anyone give me a knowledgeable and plausible explanation of how American oil interests are furthered by the invasion.

Who is selling Iraqi oil? Al Sadr?Al Maliki? Big OIL?

America has earned the right to police the world by promoting their interests everywhere. It is not a divine duty; infact some bible scholars have predicted that in the end times, America will suddenly become irrelevant in world affairs and become isolated. But till then let them enjoy. At least they are better than Nigeria who spends more in other countries only for those people to slap us in the face time and time again.

It is pure and unadulterated that if U.S interests are in any country they protect it with every necessary tool available to them, the same way nigeria protected its interests in oil in sao tome and principe. , so why begrudge them that? it is wat happend in iraq (first and second war) and happened in vietnam(at a calamitous cost)

I agree also with4play that americas intervention does not automatically translate to success or saving of lives e.g. iraq,vietnam but it has helped to maintain a balance of power between nations so as to forestall a country being overrun by despots e.g. south korea vs north korea

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Easyy:

I am beginning to think China as a super power might be better than America which bullies everyone and uses it's media and public relations mechanism to spread false propaganda. A propaganda in which any opposing view is seen as terrorist or part of the axis of evil as concocted by war monger Bush

the same china that has been bullying taiwan to merge with it? the same china that has one of the worst human rights records in the world? I dont know which china you mean my brother but if it the numero uno china i knw,then forget abt being better than america.

Buchio, what real human rights records does America have except that of ensuring that the middle class white majority is respected while the black people can be trodden upon. The fact that you have never been subjected to inhuman treatment is not to say it does not exist. Is this not the same America which castigated a journalist for publishing the atrocities of it's soldiers in Iraq?

what we get to hear are the negative things about Nations which are not particularly friendly to America.

You mentioned bullying by China. China has not done a hundredth of the bullying that America does to the rest of the world

The point is not that people will automatically stop dying when American troops come into their country.The point is that the world will not be a better place if American troops pull out from everywhere.The places I mentioned will not be better places if American troops were to pull out.Why do you think that in Iraq,South Korea and Japan,their respective govts all want American troops to stay.Do u have a better grasp of these countries security interests than their policy makers.

The fact of the matter is that their is knee jerk anti-Americanism which is popular in the modern world.A tendency to see everything America does in a bad light,especially the Bush adminstration.People who think that China will be a better superpower have not heard of Tibet,Uighur muslims,the Falun Gong.In China you can not worship God freely,no democracy,freedom of speech or anything like the various liberties that Nigerians aspire for.

P.S-America invaded Iraq for oil-A regular accusation I have heard.Can anyone give me a knowledgeable and plausible explanation of how American oil interests are furthered by the invasion.

even more bullshit. What has saying that invading and occupying Iraq was complete lunancy got to do with Patriotism or who should be the next world power. And Allie nations wanting America to stay is not news or a revelation, its why they are our fucking Allies. Noone sees EVERYTHING America does in a bad light. But make no mistake, when it comes to foreign policy in the last 150 years, America has the WORST RECORD on the planet. It has toppled more governments and influenced more countries and supported and proped up more brutal dictators than any other nation combined all across the world. Its the expert at political assasinations. And its only just war was when we where attacked in world war ii and we responded (the one time our military DEFENDED the country, its the defense department remember?).

And sure America invaded iraq to save the people. Just like Vietnam. Half of the tiny ass country called vietnam was turning communist while across the boarder 1 BILLION Chinese turned communist. And yet we invaded the country with a couple million Commies and just let the 1 billion chinese carry along. And half a century later those Commie Chinese are our biggest financial and bussiness partners. SO MUCH FOR THE COMMUNIST THREAT.

Read up on American history my friend before spewing bullshit rhetoric about the United States. Americans are the most brainwashed and warped people on the planet. How else do you explain a nation who used the atomic bomb twice and has a nuclear arsenal of every other naton combined times a 1000 telling another nation they will not stand for a nation to build a nuclear reactor for power in the midst of open inspections and enforce treaty regulations. How about we open up our nuclear facilities for inspections? Oh wait, the world doesnt even know where half of our arsenal even is. But we are the good guys right? RIGHT?