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Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by Nobody: 2:20pm On Jun 21, 2016
Senator Dino Melaye has weighed on the charges of Senate book forgery leveled against Senate President, Bukola Saraki and his deputy Ike Ekweremadu.
Speaking on the floor of the senate, Senator Melaye said, if the 2015 Senate Rule Book is fake, then the passed budget, confirmed ministers and Heads of MDA's etc are also fake.
"The Senate notes that it's principal officers are being accused of a fraud that doesn't exist. This emerging trend poses a threat to security and Nigeria's unity, '' the lawmaker said.
''The Executive has decided to be chasing rats when the Economy is gradually falling into recession."
Senator Melaye suggested that the Attorney General of the Federation be summoned to appear before the Senate, "the same rule that's said to be a fraud has been used to screen nuisance like AGF."
"This Senate without fear or favour will continue to promote the peace and unity of this great nation,'' Melaye concluded.


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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by cktheluckyman: 2:23pm On Jun 21, 2016
Well said Melaye!! I think The eight Senate has been too soft on the dullard.I think it's high time he gets to know how powerful the Senate really is

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by Babzrockman: 2:24pm On Jun 21, 2016
Always controversial bound senator. U better look back to ur constituecy and do the needful. Oro re poju actions lo!

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by CaptainEColeJnr: 2:25pm On Jun 21, 2016
Will Senators Saraki and Ekweremadu also be removed? undecided ... Is it not the duty of the lawmakers to verify everything concerning the forgery? .. Now they wanna blame it on the Ministers who are only following orders from Oga at the top..


This government is nothing but a catastrophe. Everything has gone negative since May 29th 2015....

I just hope they won't last till 2019 cool

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by crazymommy(f): 2:25pm On Jun 21, 2016
cktheluckyman:
Well said Melaye!! I think The eight Senate has been too soft on the dullard.I think it's high time he gets to know how powerful the Senate really is
The irony of it is that you have not eaten good food for past three days due to poverty caused by the same politicians which you keep defending without getting a kobo from them...the same senate you are defending are not fighting on your behalf but they are fighting on behalf of their pocket.do u know how many millions they collect as allowances while millions of youth are unemployed??.wound yourself because of them you hear...better go and hustle for yourself....even if rice is sold 50000naira per bag the dullard which you called and the senators will survive and enjoy good life why you keep on wailing...


They give you politics,reject it
they give you prosperity,receive it..- late nelson Mandela...

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by dunkem21(m): 2:29pm On Jun 21, 2016
.. and the budget reversed undecided

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by dadebayo1(m): 2:31pm On Jun 21, 2016
Orubebeism...
Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by Decodedp: 2:35pm On Jun 21, 2016
Buhari and apc should swallow the bitter pills, because the damage has been done. They still has 3 years to warm their way back into people heart that way they can still defeat the PDP in 2019. Enough of this media war and distraction. If care is not taken the defeat of apc will be hatched from within.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by tomakint: 2:45pm On Jun 21, 2016
Dino is just the nuisance here, I am still wondering how Kogites stoop so low to vote such a clown a senator. Such a shame.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by ikdaddy01(m): 2:45pm On Jun 21, 2016
cktheluckyman:
Well said Melaye!! I think The eight Senate has been too soft on the dullard.I think it's high time he gets to know how powerful the Senate really is
If it were in de days of my Uncle, Chuba Okadigbo......AGF for don run away by now.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by gigabyte13: 3:11pm On Jun 21, 2016
Little children everywhere because of china phone. So in the days of OBJ , ministers where removed when senate president was removed?



So forgery should be allowed in the senate, since it happened among them. Educated illiterates

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by Oksman(m): 3:13pm On Jun 21, 2016
crazymommy:
The irony of it is that you have not eaten good food for past three days due to poverty caused by the same politicians which you keep defending without getting a kobo from them...the same senate you are defending are not fighting on your behalf but they are fighting on behalf of their pocket.do u know how many millions they collect as allowances while millions of youth are unemployed??.kill yourself because of them you hear...better go and hustle for yourself....even if rice is sold 50000naira per bag the dullard which you called and the senators will survive and enjoy good life why you keep on wailing...


They give you politics,reject it
they give you prosperity,receive it..- late nelson Mandela...

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I guess you also had ur's at McDonalds? mind you that everybody is entitled to his or her,opinion so stop barking down at any comment against the govt. that you don't fancy, gud day.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by crazymommy(f): 3:22pm On Jun 21, 2016
Oksman:


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I guess you also had ur's at McDonalds? mind you that everybody is entitled to his or her,opinion so stop barking down at any comment against the govt. that you don't fancy, gud day.
I knew you were going to reply violently..truth is bitter I guess...grin

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by spenca: 3:59pm On Jun 21, 2016
People like Dino should not be scared to go to court to prove that there was no forgery of truly there was not one . What is the big deal in Nigeria when you are asked to go prove that truly you don't perpetuate an act of truly you did not. It common practice everywhere except you have something to hide . It is highly sad when a whole senator of the Federal Rebulic calls a hon. Minister a nuisance . This shows the level of our ethos n morality

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by mikolo80: 4:01pm On Jun 21, 2016
cktheluckyman:
Well said Melaye!! I think The eight Senate has been too soft on the dullard.I think it's high time he gets to know how powerful the Senate really is
metuh is now silent.
ffk don shut up.
fayose is on the ropes.
dis mumu will shrink if we look in his direction,shebi he wants our attention ba

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by MrALIVE: 4:10pm On Jun 21, 2016
Shameless senators! When they are directly affected,they scream as if they have our interest at heart

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by Oksman(m): 4:54pm On Jun 21, 2016
crazymommy:
I knew you were going to reply violently..truth is bitter I guess...grin

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Not really 'sane'momma, lies are sweet as candies thats why a lot of people fall for it.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by JusticeSeeker: 9:28pm On Jun 21, 2016
cktheluckyman:
Well said Melaye!! I think The eight Senate has been too soft on the dullard.I think it's high time he gets to know how powerful the Senate really is
recalling recalcitrant senators like Melaye is as easy as anything. let them try your suggestion and see what majority of the senators will face back home. Nigerians genuine voted for PMB to be their president. he didn't rig election to become a president and some senators were elected simply because they belonged to the same party with PMB.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by id911(m): 9:53pm On Jun 21, 2016
spenca:
People like Dino should not be scared to go to court to prove that there was no forgery of truly there was not one . What is the big deal in Nigeria when you are asked to go prove that truly you don't perpetuate an act of truly you did not. It common practice everywhere except you have something to hide . It is highly sad when a whole senator of the Federal Rebulic calls a hon. Minister a nuisance . This shows the level of our ethos n morality


Pls we shld be mindful of what we write or say to support these politicians who dont care a bit about our laws. I dont support Dino on his choice of words but you shld understand that Senate is autonomous, they make their own rules that governs their internal affairs. AGF, a member of the executive has no right to interfare with it. It is the Senators themselves that can take their Principal Officers to court on this particular issue.

If they are saying what they used in electing the Principal Officers was forged, it therefore means that everything that had happened and still happening under the present senate including swearing in of Senators, Ministerial Screening, 2016 budgets, etc, is all null and void.

AGF is more than a nuisance, na ode him be

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by codedguy1(m): 10:29pm On Jun 21, 2016
Why are the senators believe the document was forged not the ones taking the senate president and vice president to court.

Are they the one pressing charges? If so we want to know who and who believe it is forged and those who don't. Let's know where each senator belongs, there is no neutrality here, everyone must belong to camp and take a stand.

FORGED or NOT FORGED.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by spenca: 10:37pm On Jun 21, 2016
id911:



Pls we shld be mindful of what we write or say to support these politicians who dont care a bit about our laws. I dont support Dino on his choice of words but you shld understand that Senate is autonomous, they make their own rules that governs their internal affairs. AGF, a member of the executive has no right to interfare with it. It is the Senators themselves that can take their Principal Officers to court on this particular issue.

If they are saying what they used in electing the Principal Officers was forged, it therefore means that everything that had happened and still happening under the present senate including swearing in of Senators, Ministerial Screening, 2016 budgets, etc, is all null and void.

AGF is more than a nuisance, na ode him be

The framers of democracy understand the autonomy of the arms and also curtail their doings ,that is why there is something called check and balances , if it is outside is powers to charge the persons to court calmly go to court and dismiss the case ,it is that easy how would a senate address a hon. Minister with such terms ? What are we becoming or should I say what have we become ?

To the argument of the budget , ministerial screening et all being null n void is yet again wrong based on the fact that the are not challenging the elections of the senators but the appointments/selection of the presiding officers. Whether or whether not they occupy those positions legally is not subject to the decision(s) the entire senate made. Remember the persons in question didn't solely screen and clear the ministers nor the budget or the other elements you mentioned but the entire senate and no one is question the election that brought the entire senate to being.
Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by id911(m): 11:05pm On Jun 21, 2016
spenca:


The framers of democracy understand the autonomy of the arms and also curtail their doings ,that is why there is something called check and balances , if it is outside is powers to charge the persons to court calmly go to court and dismiss the case ,it is that easy how would a senate address a hon. Minister with such terms ? What are we becoming or should I say what have we become ?

To the argument of the budget , ministerial screening et all being null n void is yet again wrong based on the fact that the are not challenging the elections of the senators but the appointments/selection of the presiding officers. Whether or whether not they occupy those positions legally is not subject to the decision(s) the entire senate made. Remember the persons in question didn't solely screen and clear the ministers nor the budget or the other elements you mentioned but the entire senate and no one is question the election that brought the entire senate to being.


Let me ask you a simple question, without swearing-in of Senators-elect can they be called Senators?If Saraki that swore them in became Senate President illegally would the action of Saraki and those Senators be legal?Look at the law books and answer these questions sincerely. Thanks

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by paschu: 11:11pm On Jun 21, 2016
You are the illiterate here. If you think you are not, then kindly explain (in details) the scenario that's being touted as forgery by the FG. And while you are at it, do let us know what the senate has done about the scenario and what the staus quo was in the upper chamber prior to the advent of the 8th senate.

Thank you.


gigabyte13:
Little children everywhere because of china phone. So in the days of OBJ , ministers where removed when senate president was removed?



So forgery should be allowed in the senate, since it happened among them. Educated illiterates
Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by id911(m): 11:18pm On Jun 21, 2016
gigabyte13:
Little children everywhere because of china phone. So in the days of OBJ , ministers where removed when senate president was removed?



So forgery should be allowed in the senate, since it happened among them. Educated illiterates


It‘s obvious u lack understanding about the issue on ground. SMH!

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by Aaronzy: 11:46pm On Jun 21, 2016
80% of people supporting the senate on this issue are from the south south and south east zone....everything against the federal govt u suppoert.....I could remember vidly dat some set of senators under the unity forum wrote a petition to the IG of police last yr concerning the forgery case

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by paschu: 11:53pm On Jun 21, 2016
spenca:
People like Dino should not be scared to go to court to prove that there was no forgery of truly there was not one . What is the big deal in Nigeria when you are asked to go prove that truly you don't perpetuate an act of truly you did not. It common practice everywhere except you have something to hide . It is highly sad when a whole senator of the Federal Rebulic calls a hon. Minister a nuisance . This shows the level of our ethos n morality

That's where you are too naive to get the point.

The FG knows very well that they have zero case against those two guys, but here's the plan:

1. Remand them in the prison.pending when their ridiculous bail terms get fufilled or

2. Keep them out of senate proceedings with a compulsory daily court hearing, so that

3. There would be presure for their replacement in the senate

Thus the game plan is simply to get the two men out of senate leadership by all crooked means.

Got it?

Unfortunately, tomorrow some nutcases will come here and tell me that buhari is not corrupt.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by paschu: 12:07am On Jun 22, 2016
Why do you deliberately shut down your reasoning faculty on a public forum?

The standing rule book of the senate was the benchmark for everything done in the senate so far. Without the standing rule there would be no induction for the senate elects. And without induction they could not function as senators of the fedral rebuplic.

So if you propose that the standing rule was invalid, then you should in effect be saying that everything else that's done with it is nullified.

It's that simple. The truth however is that the plan of FG is not to prove that there was forgery. Their plan is simpmy to distablze the senate, topple its leadership and install their own puppets so that the FG's lucrative dirty deals (like budget padding) won't be exposed ever again.


spenca:


The framers of democracy understand the autonomy of the arms and also curtail their doings ,that is why there is something called check and balances , if it is outside is powers to charge the persons to court calmly go to court and dismiss the case ,it is that easy how would a senate address a hon. Minister with such terms ? What are we becoming or should I say what have we become ?

To the argument of the budget , ministerial screening et all being null n void is yet again wrong based on the fact that the are not challenging the elections of the senators but the appointments/selection of the presiding officers. Whether or whether not they occupy those positions legally is not subject to the decision(s) the entire senate made. Remember the persons in question didn't solely screen and clear the ministers nor the budget or the other elements you mentioned but the entire senate and no one is question the election that brought the entire senate to being.

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by moshmusth(m): 12:39am On Jun 22, 2016
I can't but agreed with melaye on this, a forged standing rules that produce a fake sp and dsp cannot screen a saint minister and passed saint budget so as it is now everything must stand down


quote me make sopona descend on you

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Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by rusher14: 2:06am On Jun 22, 2016
Who cares if the ministers are to be screened again.

Forgery is a serious crime and at present a criminal charge has been brought before the courts.

If we are taking about separation of power this is a great example.
Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by spenca: 5:34am On Jun 22, 2016
paschu:


That's where you are too naive to get the point.

The FG knows very well that they have zero case against those two guys, but here's the plan:

1. Remand them in the prison.pending when their ridiculous bail terms get fufilled or

2. Keep them out of senate proceedings with a compulsory daily court hearing, so that

3. There would be presure for their replacement in the senate

Thus the game plan is simply to get the two men out of senate leadership by all crooked means.

Got it?

Unfortunately, tomorrow some nutcases will come here and tell me that buhari is not corrupt.

All the aforementioned are based on your personal reasoning and prejudice, you can't blame the FG for how you reason ,this is a simple case, the onus of proof lies with the FG all the senators need to do is obey court orders and wait to debunk any "false" allegation if there is one. The FG can't obviously sole handedly jail the senators if they actually didn't forge the rule book,what do they have to fear ? That is why there is the judiciary. It is only in this country I know we judge a case right before the hearing and trial date.You sit there in your mirage.

I have not seen anywhere is in the world where I set the rules to elect myself ,it defeats common sense.
Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by blackpanda: 5:40am On Jun 22, 2016
This guy thinks he can threaten Buhaari? Ur wasting ur time. Once confirmed there's nothing u can do. Its not saraki that confirmed the Ministers, its the Senate. Saraki will come and go, senate remains


Meanwhile, justice must be donee!
Re: Senate Forgery: Buhari's Ministers May Be Removed If Saraki Is Found Guilty by spenca: 5:54am On Jun 22, 2016
paschu:
Why do you deliberately shut down your reasoning faculty on a public forum?

The standing rule book of the senate was the benchmark for everything done in the senate so far. Without the standing rule there would be no induction for the senate elects. And without induction they could not function as senators of the fedral rebuplic.

So if you propose that the standing rule was invalid, then you should in effect be saying that everything else that's done with it is nullified.

It's that simple. The truth however is that the plan of FG is not to prove that there was forgery. Their plan is simpmy to distablze the senate, topple its leadership and install their own puppets so that the FG's lucrative dirty deals (like budget padding) won't be exposed ever again.



I found your first comment quite interesting but this ? Nah nah , you don't hide behind a moniker and slay people with names, it shows nothing but weakness, In other gist

If you have been following the trend of this "forgery" case, you would realize it was all about the order of the election, the senators that petitioned did so based on the fact that the rulings in the book as to the quorum to elect presiding officers and be delcleared as the winner were changed in the rule book thus the FG charged for a forgery case. Hence it doesn't mean that they are charging for the fact that the entirety of the rule book was forged or changed but for the fact that some part of it were.

You need to realize that all you keep stating are conspiracy theories that only show the legislature is itself corrupt , if I charge you to court for theft of my car(which is isn't mine) all you need to do is lawyer up go to court and wait for me to try proof my case , you debunk with contingent evidence and we all go home ,nothing to fear but the question I ask you is, what does the senate have to hide?

I have not heared of any "democratic" state where I make the rules to elect myself into a certain position.

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