posakosa:


you make no sense. So are you suggesting that misfortunes don't happen to good people ? !

Oh yes they do and this is a crucial point. If there is a law of Karma, is it the only principle or law that determines what happens. What about spontaneity? Is this possible? That is an event that has no prior cause but just springs up spontaneously. Also is it possible for a causal chain to be broken.

Well my answer as a christian is yes, karma is not the only law that determines what happens. Yes, indeed our actions have a causal effect on what happens next. Not just actions, but words thoughts and deeds. The wages of Sin is death. That is a simple karmic/causal connection.

However that chain can be broken. So we no longer have to suffer the dire consequences of our actions. By the same token it is possible to receive a blessing that is totally undeserved from a karmic point of view.

Pastor AIO:

Oh yes they do and this is a crucial point. If there is a law of Karma, is it the only principle or law that determines what happens. What about spontaneity? Is this possible? That is an event that has no prior cause but just springs up spontaneously. Also is it possible for a causal chain to be broken.

Well my answer as a christian is yes, karma is not the only law that determines what happens. Yes, indeed our actions have a causal effect on what happens next. Not just actions, but words thoughts and deeds. The wages of Sin is death. That is a simple karmic/causal connection.

However that chain can be broken. So we no longer have to suffer the dire consequences of our actions. By the same token it is possible to receive a blessing that is totally undeserved from a karmic point of view.

i does not undastood u sir. ,

what is a "blessing"?

what do u think "luck" is?

Krayola2:

i does not undastood u sir. ,

what is a "blessing"?

what do u think "luck" is?

Let's put it this way, rather than say blessing let's just say something that would be considered good like a pay raise or something.

As for luck that is a deep matter too. What we are trying to figure out is whether or not the world is deterministic or not. And also what determines what. Is luck a spontaneous event that has no cause? Or does it only seem to have no cause because we are not aware of the processes that brought it about.
eg if I find a thousand pounds on my doorstep in the morning is that a lucky chance occurrence? Or did the money turn up because last year I helped an old lady across the street.

To take the whole matter deeper still we can ask the question, "What is Process?" and How do processes occur? Is everything that occurs caused by some prior event/events. How does influence pass from one event to another? Is the passage of influence only across space and time? And many more questions. This is quite a can of worms.

Pastor AIO:

Let's put it this way, rather than say blessing let's just say something that would be considered good like a pay raise or something. 

As for luck that is a deep matter too.  What we are trying to figure out is whether or not the world is deterministic or not.  And also what determines what.  Is luck a spontaneous event that has no cause?  Or does it only seem to have no cause because we are not aware of the processes that brought it about.


eg if I find a thousand pounds on my doorstep in the morning is that a lucky chance occurrence?  Or did the money turn up because last year I helped an old lady across the street.   

I think luck is a type good fortune, which is what people call blessings. Sometimes it has an easily discernable cause eg. hard work,effort, charity, fairy leaving $1000 at ur   doorstep    etc) and sometimes it doesn't eg  escaping a potentially fatal accident, or just happing to hit on the prettiest girl in the club, who happens to be the horniest 

Pastor AIO:

To take the whole matter deeper still we can ask the question, "What is Process?"  and How do processes occur?  Is everything that occurs caused by some prior event/events.  How does influence pass from one event to another?  Is the passage of influence only across space and time?  And many more questions.  This is quite a can of worms.

I think what connects us together is our shared destiny. . . not some intricate relationship between thought, feelings, disposition etc. I think the key to getting people to "behave" is educating people about the shared benefit in improving the welfare of others (being our brothers keeper), and ideas like karma have developed as an attempt to influence people to treat each other and their environment better. A sorta more subtle form of coersion that the doctrine of heaven and hell.

This isn't based on any research or study though. . .just my own personal opinion.

Krayola2:



I think what connects us together is our shared destiny. . . not some intricate relationship between thought, feelings, disposition etc. I think the key to getting people to "behave" is educating people about the shared benefit in improving the welfare of others (being our brothers keeper), and ideas like karma have developed as an attempt to influence people to treat each other and their environment better. A sorta more subtle form of coersion that the doctrine of heaven and hell.

This isn't based on any research or study though. . .just my own personal opinion.

you're taking this to another level, away from what karma is about to why karma has been taught. Perhaps it is taught to make people behave in which case I am inclined to prefer your approach. But that has nothing to do with what Karma is and whether it is valid.

Do our thoughts, feelings and dispositions have an influence on the things that happen to us in life. Personally I believe so. However I don't think it is as simple as thinking and doing nice things in order to attract nice fortunes. Otherwise I would be the most blessed guy in the world because I'm so totally without malice or rancour.

Pastor AIO:


Do our thoughts, feelings and dispositions have an influence on the things that happen to us in life.  Personally I believe so.  However I don't think it is as simple as thinking and doing nice things in order to attract nice fortunes.  Otherwise I would be the most blessed guy in the world because I'm so totally without malice or rancour.

haha. Nice guys finish last.

I think those highlighted things affect our approach towards life. . . which could in turn affect out actions,and the results.

The interpretation of karma that could make sense to me was if bad thoughts and deeds etc were a sort of obstacle to our development/enlightenment. That we repress our potential growth, as a people, with negativity. So individual actions on a global scale can have universal consequences. I just have a bias against spiritual concepts that stress the individual . . . I think it's always about community, and we are all connected.So while one person can do sumn bad and get away with it, humanity suffers for it. . .and that is my interpretation of karma. If people see hurting their neighbor as hurting themselves, abracadabra, no more bad karma. . . we live happiliy ever after.

When it's all about the individual. . it's meaningless IMHO

Karma is a manifestation of the justice and love of God. In simple terms, it means that what each person, creature or even a particle sends out into seen and unseen universe comes back to the originator. In travelling through the visible and invisible worlds, the vibrations sent out amalgamate with similar vibration or energy  and thus comes back to the originator with much more stength and power than he, she or it originally sent out. Thus you sow a grain of corn and you reap not just a grain but cubs of corn containing hundreds of grain. What happens with a grain physically also happen with our thoughts, words, actions and even our intutions and motives. If what we originally sent out sprung from pure motives, then they return what people regard as blessings and if they are impure, then they return to us what often is regarded as problems, evil and similar things. Karmic reaction is however not a straight line because their are billions and thrillions of vibrations that form the tapetry of ones fate and each of these vibrations have a say in what will manifest at a particular point in time. Indeed, every single second, new vibrations are added and these new vibrations can be so strong that it literally changes ones fate. Thus, one can change his karma by applying his God given free will in another direction. To love genuinely and purely can easily break bad karmic entaglements such that what would have cut off a persons head may end up removing his cap or even bringing him a good fortune. Spritual guides can easily percieve what lies in our karmic fate and through admonition to our spirits (often not counscious to many), they bring us to circumstances and events that help us to reap the fruits of our good seeds or prevent us from circumstances or events that will harm us. Because the average man is not aware of this guidance from above, he calls it providence or grace because he did not see a cause or reason for what good fortune that effortlessly dropped to his lap or the reason why he was mysteriously saved from a terrible fate. The reality though is that he was led to circumstances, processes or events albeit unconscious to our brain where the fruits of our sowing have ripened. Thus their is no process or event without a cause but most often the cause does not lie in the physically observable universe. Thus the cause comes from a source that lies beyound what our physical senses and instrumentations that aid them can see.

Karmic reactions take into consideration the entire spiritual history and evolution of man, not just his present earth life. My belief is that all human beings have been on earth atleast 7-10 times in different guise, sex, nationality and even religion. Thus even a new born child is an old soul in a young body and atimes comes into this present life with heavy karmic entaglements that will significantly affect the lives of the parents, siblings and the larger society. What happens to each person in this present earthlife is a small snapshot of his entire existence. Only when ones spiritual eyes are opened and he or she can survey the entire existence, right from the point God created him or her to present life will such a one realise that what has happened, is happening or will happen to us is in one way or the other came from us. It is either that we sowed the seeds, or we requested for the seeds to be sowed on our behalf or we asked to taste the fruit of a seed we did not sow so as to learn from it etc,

A knowlege of reincarnation will simply make us see things entirlely in a different light. Just imagine a christian who spends so much time and energy mocking islam and then the bandage that blocks the inner eyes of most people fell off from such a one and the christian then realises that his is mocking the same teaching he helped to set up as a prominent moslem several hundreds of years ago. Or imagine one praying to one saint or the other to intercede for him only to realise that 2000 years ago, he or she is the saint that he is praying to. It has some drama when such a one realises that he has been praying to himself. Ofcourse, it is understandable if many will laugh at this and dismiss it as figment of my imagination, yet some day even those individuals will experience the very thing I am saying. There own time will come.

Thus even if on earth, injustice appear to take the upper hand, one should not worry for the justice of God will return to each one the fruits of his sowing without exception. The harvest is however not determined by our human wishes and expectations but by the laws of God.  The beginning and the end is always as God wills it but the "space" or "time" between the beginning and the end can have detours and byepaths that does not lead to the will of God. These detours and evil voiltions/paths were introduced by creatures that have free will. Cheers.

Hi Mr Moderator. I made a contribution on this topic and it was deleted. Please, kindly post my contribution. I guess your spam filter deletes long posts. Cheers

karma exists in religions that believein reincanation. your soul is punished in the next life for its actions in its current life. kinda howchristians are punished in thier afterlife for sins of thier life

posakosa:

How so ? I don't understand,

i meant karma hasn't gotten to IBB so all this karma talk na mirage.


as per the babe, na my property be that o.

f-it. it aint fun if the homies can't have none


http://www.myspace.com/Beyondbeauty8827


use the vaseline judiciously

okay, lets I say I kill someone for example, <for a justified reason but we all agree that killing is still bad> , and I seek the face of god for forgiveness hereinafter,

Will i still sow evil or is my evil deeds wiped away after forgiveness, at that point, does karma change from bad to good ?

No. you will still reap what you sew, karma have nothing to do with religion or belief.

Hi Ako. I complained that my post on this subject was deleted and I requested that you restore the post. It seems that you have not taken any action in that connection. Thus I will split that post into two in the hope that it will not be deleted. The first path is shown below:

Karma is a manifestation of the justice and love of God. In simple terms, it means that what each person, creature or even a particle sends out into seen and unseen universe comes back to the originator. In travelling through the visible and invisible worlds, the vibrations sent out amalgamate with similar vibration or energy  and thus comes back to the originator with much more strength and power than he, she or it originally sent out. Thus you sow a grain of corn and you reap not just a grain but cubs of corn containing hundreds of grain. What happens with a grain physically also happen with our thoughts, words, actions and even our intutions and motives. If what we originally sent out sprung from pure motives, then they return what people regard as blessings and if they are impure, then, they return to us what often is regarded as problems, evil and similar things. Karmic reaction is however not a straight line because their are billions and trillions of vibrations that form the tapetry of ones fate and each of these vibrations have a say in what will manifest at a particular point in time. Indeed, every single second, new vibrations are added and these new vibrations can be so strong that it literally changes ones fate. Thus, one can change his karma by applying his God given free will in another direction. To love genuinely and purely can easily break bad karmic entaglements such that what would have cut off a persons head may end up removing his cap or even bringing him a good fortune. Spritual guides can easily percieve what lies in our karmic fate and through admonition to our spirits (often not counscious to many), they bring us to circumstances and events that help us to reap the fruits of our good seeds or prevent us from circumstances or events that will harm us. Because most of us  are not aware of this guidance from above, we call it providence or grace because we did not see a cause or reason for what good fortune that effortlessly dropped into our lap or the reason why we were mysteriously saved from a terrible fate. The reality though is that we were led to circumstances, processes or events albeit unconscious to our brain where the fruits of our sowing have ripened. Thus their is no process or event without a cause but most often the cause does not lie in the physically observable universe. Thus the cause comes from a source that lies beyound what our physical senses and instrumentations that aid them can see.

The second part is shown below:


Karmic reactions take into consideration the entire spiritual history and evolution of man, not just his present earth life. My belief is that all human beings have been on earth at least 7-10 times in different guise, sex, nationality and even religion. Thus even a new born child is an old soul in a young body and atimes comes into this present life with heavy karmic entaglements that will significantly affect the lives of the parents, siblings and the larger society. What happens to each person in this present earthlife is a small snapshot of his entire existence. Only when ones spiritual eyes are opened and he or she can survey the entire existence, right from the point God created him or her to present life will such a one realise that what has happened, is happening or will happen to us is in one way or the other came from us. It is either that we sowed the seeds, or we requested for the seeds to be sowed on our behalf or we asked to taste the fruit of a seed we did not sow so as to learn from it etc,

A knowlege of reincarnation will simply make us see things entirlely in a different light. Just imagine a christian who spends so much time and energy mocking islam and then the bandage that blocks the inner eyes of most people fell off from such a one and the christian then realises that he is mocking the same teaching he helped to set up as a prominent moslem several hundreds of years ago. Or imagine one praying to one saint or the other to intercede for him only to realise that 2000 years ago, he or she is the saint that he is praying to. It has some drama when such a one realises that he has been praying to himself.

Thus even if on earth, injustice appear to take the upper hand, one should not worry for the justice of God will return to each one the fruits of his sowing without exception. The harvest is however not determined by our human wishes and expectations but by the laws of God.  The beginning and the end is always as God wills it but the "space" or "time" between the beginning and the end can have detours and byepaths that does not lead to the will of God. These detours and evil voiltions/paths were introduced by creatures that have free will. Cheers.

@ m_ nwankwo, lets take your first statement.

Karma is a manifestation of the justice and love of God

there are some people who DO NOT believe in god but believe in the functions of karma and there are some people who trust god and there is NO need for Karma so on what basis are you stating your opinion ?

panko, how nau? shei you dey today

C2H5OH:

panko, how nau? shei you dey today

CHOOCHOO, i dey ooh and its[b] P.O.S.A.K.O.S.A. [/b]

ori e ti fokaposa sibe

how is karma coming along?

C2H5OH:

ori e ti fokaposa sibe

how is karma coming along?

urm, learning a lot from the comments here thus far.


when I first heard the song FOKASIBE, I thot it meant phuck her there, oooy! my dirty, mind.

lol ashewo ni e o. fhuck her sibe abi

you need deliverance

yea

why are u people arguing over this thing. it is in the bible (you will reap what you sow) is this not karma?

pasko alhaja ki ni oruko e

kufre4biz:

why are u people arguing over this thing. it is in the bible (you will reap what you sow) is this not karma?

you will reap what you sow,, then where does forgiveness come in and can't karma be reversed ? If someone does something bad and asks for forgiveness, can bad karma be turned to good ?! the bible talks about forgiveness, yea ?

C2H5OH:

pasko alhaja ki ni oruko e

CHOOCHOO, where una get Alhaja from ?

se emi lon ba wi? you prefer alhaji? since you are confused about your gender now
you betta change that thing back to female, now!

Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological so your reference to me as male or female is possibly irrelevant, hence in a social scene: u're trying to make conversation and need to subject me to a gendered terminolgy,


They used to call my ex: alha-------- , had to do with some sexual innuendos, <i think>

CHOOCHOO, ill be female tomorrow, not to worry.

yes the distinction is necessary don't you think? both in the social scene and the biological sense - for purposes of research at least


me sef i no dey go worry. why i go worry? na me bee your aso ibora ni

posakosa:

Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological so your reference to me as male or female is possibly irrelevant, hence in a social scene: u're trying to make conversation and need to subject me to a gendered terminolgy,

haha. Nice one!

what in the name of androgyny is happening here

even in the bible it is written what you sow you will reap. pls can somebody tell me what this implies

kufre4biz:

even in the bible it is written what you sow you will reap. pls can somebody tell me what this implies

It means that if you sow seeds of faith in RCCG then sooner or later EFCC will come knocking on your door.