There is a new movie coming out in
November about alien abductions
that allegedly took place in Alaska.
The name of the movie is the fourth
kind and it is was written and directed
by Olatunde Osunsanmi and stars Milla
Jovovich.
It looks really interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Kind

Another interesting theory
UFOs are possibly the fallen angels!

[url]http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ufos.html[/url]

Very interesting indeed!!!

sara j:

There is a new movie coming out in
November about alien abductions
that allegedly took place in Alaska.
The name of the movie is the fourth
kind and it is was written and directed
by Olatunde Osunsanmi and stars Milla
Jovovich.
It looks really interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Kind

An asides: I don't know who Olatunde Osunsanmi is; but that he directed that movie puts a smile on my face. There are a lot of Nigerians gaining respectable mention where it matters. Well done, 'tunde!

^^^ Yes o, Viaro. . . dont know who he is either, but that really really lit me up, just seeing a Nigerian name doing that!

As far as I know it's his directorial
debut. We will know in November
whether it will make him or break him
but going by the hype surrounding the
movie in the US it looks like its going to
be a box office hit.
He also stars in the film as the interviewer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVRHOhLP-aA

Thanks to the Internet there is a lot of info for serious reasoning instead of one sided arguments . Ever heard of the book of " ENOCH "?
here's a site for starters .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5aOP-azKzs

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,GOD gave them over to a reprobate mind ,to do those things which are not convenient.being filled with all unrighteousness,fornication,wickedness,convetousness,maliciousness,full of envy,murder,debate,deceit,malignity; whisperers,backbiters,haters of God,despiteful,proud,boasters,inventors of evil things,disobedient tn parents,without understanding,covent breakers,without natural affection,implacable,unmerciful: who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,not only do the same,but have pleasure in them that do them.i see pple who enjoy and do the above things i listed in this forum

It"s a free will innerverse , bound by divine law . You are punished " BY " your actions not " FOR "them .
The universe is in divine order .

sara j:

There is a new movie coming out in
November about alien abductions
that allegedly took place in Alaska.
The name of the movie is the fourth
kind and it is was written and directed
by Olatunde Osunsanmi and stars Milla
Jovovich.
It looks really interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Kind

Any news about the above stated film? is it out yet? Looking forward to it. I watched the 2012 movie yesterday it's a sci-fi movie based on a distorted interpretation of the 2012 end date of the Mayan calendar. The film was really mind blowing.

Answering the OP's question,

IF aliens exist, then they do not need the salvation of Jesus, who came in the form of man to save mankind.

Unless of course, God had alternate plans for their own salvation, and He came in the form of one of their own there as well.

The very fact that it is not clearly inferred in the Bible tells me that God does not really want us overly bothered about it.

Of course, he delights in our quest for knowledge, seeing us discover the universe, the same way a father delights in his child's first words, first steps, and sees how he builds structures with LEGO.

^^
Let me guess, the alien adam ate from the garden of eden too then expelled on account of this sin thus future alien generations need salvation?

Geez. . . .stay off the bong pipe.

She didnt suggest that Tudor.

Mavenb0x:

IF aliens exist, then they do not need the salvation of Jesus, who came in the form of man to save mankind.

Unless of course, God had alternate plans for their own salvation, and He came in the form of one of their own there as well.

Interesting, but not quite 'it'.

@Tudor: If YOU had asked the question, I won't have framed it that way. But I know DeepSight has the intelligence and objectivity to understand what I meant. Without using many words, I tried to explain my perspective but there you were, armed with prejudice

IF aliens exist, then they do not need the salvation of Jesus, who came in the form of man to save mankind.

Unless of course, God had alternate plans for their own salvation, and He came in the form of one of their own there as well.

What I was trying to say is that, as far as my knowledge of God's Word goes, Jesus was God's plan for salvation for MAN, and not for extra-terrestial species. If at all there are other likewise-sentient species in the universe, and if at all they require salvation, and if at all it is a similar case for man who cannot "save himself" (as the Bible says), then another solution would have been made for them, which I know not. It may be anything ranging from shedding their skin to any unimaginable thing (I have never even seen one, so how do I know? ). When I said "Unless of course, God had alternate plans for their own salvation, and He came in the form of one of their own there as well." I meant that, in THAT case, we would be examining that CHRIST as the author of their salvation IF that was the case, and not man's Christ.

Why you dey even halla my life sef on top conjecture wey nobody sabi anything about? Go siddon abeg.

@DeepSight: No mind him/her jare (LOL it just dawns on me that this is the first time I seem to be using a pronoun for Tudor)

What prejudice?

When it comes to God everybody suddenly needs 'salvation'. I wonder why this god is so hard to please.

The bible clearly states god created man in his own image. How everyone seems to assume aliens have spirits and souls is beyond me.

Since God is sending sacrifices of his relatives to save different species why hasn't he sent his aunt or uncle to die for them fallen angels?

If aliens are discovered it'll be the death of religion because they all assume man as know all be all and ultimate.

@Tudor: I wasn't the one that insinuated that salvation MAY even be necessary for aliens. Talk to the OP. And God wasn't sending relatives. Go back to your Bible and read carefully. Why am I even responding to you? Time has shown that you are a troublemaker.

@Viaro: I have a private conjecture on aliens and UFOs which is a little bizarre, and if it is true, then it negates my posts on this thread. I want you to consider it with me. I must confess I am not so much of a scientist, so pardon my wrong nomenclature if any.

Assume space and time is continuous, and a certain force (c.f. gravity's downward pull) is what keeps drawing man in the forward time axis. Just like man grappled with gravity for years before aerodynamics was instituted, man will soon discover a way to travel in short bursts through time. Short "backward" bursts in which he can see but can't interact with his past, but he keeps being drawn back into present. Until considerable time-travel is invented and man can travel across time in either direction.

Assume this first time machine invention happens on January 1, 2050.

Thus, January 1, 2050 will be a kind of "terminus" for those travelling from the future into the past. They may travel past that point, but they may not interact with people beyond that point. i.e. say a tourist from the future visits 2009 Georgia. This will be observed in Georgia as a "UFO" but there will be no interaction between the parties, because such interaction will cause the time machine to be built much faster than January 1. 2050 thanks to the transfer of advanced knowledge from the future. (This may be a reason there have not been any recorded exchange with any "UFO".

As from January 1, 2050 when the time machine is invented, tourists from all sorts of future civilizations will arrive to examine Earth, and scientists and tourists from the present will be able to attend to the future as well. This is where my conjecture gets complex. I believe, in this conjecture, that any physical interaction we may have with "aliens" will start occurring from that January 1, 2050. These "aliens" are in fact humans who have undergone varying extra-terrestrial conditions (compare with the formation of diverse human races) such as, for example, a civilization where thanks to some space-wars, the universe became polluted and man had to begin wearing body-suites because flesh will be wasted on contact with the environment. Or civilizations where man had to be modified physically to suit other ambient conditions. Or, say, a group of highly intelligent humans who travelled off into a diverse civilization where only the highly intelligent humans survived, and thus learnt the technology of the future, then returned to the present to implement them, and proceeds to travel into the future to exterminate that OTHER civilization, or something?

My surmise is that if this were the case, from that day that time travel is properly established, there will be all kinds of "aliens" who are spawns of various human civilizations gone wrong (or done right). We can't interact with them yet because there is a "membrane" between us in space and time, and until that membrane is punctured on that hypothetical January 1, 2050, they can only peek through the membrane and see us. They can't come through, and we can see them sometimes if they allow us to (carelessly or voluntarily). In other words, it's still diverse variations of mankind at the end of the day, and not some "aliens", and they would still require salvation. If this was the case, they can return to Adam's point of sin, but they can't prevent it (as I said earlier, they can only observe the past beyond Jan 1, 2050). They would still need the salvation of Jesus in that case.

I hope you understand my case, but it's all conjecture.

P.S. Please this is part content for my upcoming sci-fi novel (excluding the whole salvation gist).

It's (c) Mavenbox 2009. Thanks.

@OP
there is no possible way to answer your question without making assumptions.

Mavenb0x:

@Tudor: I wasn't the one that insinuated that salvation MAY even be necessary for aliens. Talk to the OP. And God wasn't sending relatives. Go back to your Bible and read carefully.  Why am I even responding to you? Time has shown that you are a troublemaker.

Is jesus not the son of god? Does that not make them relatives?

@Viaro: I have a private conjecture on aliens and UFOs which is a little bizarre, and if it is true, then it negates my posts on this thread. I want you to consider it with me. I must confess I am not so much of a scientist, so pardon my wrong nomenclature if any.

Assume space and time is continuous, and a certain force (c.f. gravity's downward pull) is what keeps drawing man in the forward time axis. Just like man grappled with gravity for years before aerodynamics was instituted, man will soon discover a way to travel in short bursts through time. Short "backward" bursts in which he can see but can't interact with his past, but he keeps being drawn back into present. Until considerable time-travel is invented and man can travel across time in either direction.

Assume this first time machine invention happens on January 1, 2050.

Thus, January 1, 2050 will be a kind of "terminus" for those travelling from the future into the past. They may travel past that point, but they may not interact with people beyond that point. i.e. say a tourist from the future visits 2009 Georgia. This will be observed in Georgia as a "UFO" but there will be no interaction between the parties, because such interaction will cause the time machine to be built much faster than January 1. 2050 thanks to the transfer of advanced knowledge from the future. (This may be a reason there have not been any recorded exchange with any "UFO".

As from January 1, 2050 when the time machine is invented, tourists from all sorts of future civilizations will arrive to examine Earth, and scientists and tourists from the present will be able to attend to the future as well. This is where my conjecture gets complex. I believe, in this conjecture, that any physical interaction we may have with "aliens" will start occurring from that January 1, 2050. These "aliens" are in fact humans who have undergone varying extra-terrestrial conditions (compare with the formation of diverse human races) such as, for example, a civilization where thanks to some space-wars, the universe became polluted and man had to begin wearing body-suites because flesh will be wasted on contact with the environment. Or civilizations where man had to be modified physically to suit other ambient conditions. Or, say, a group of highly intelligent humans who travelled off into a diverse civilization where only the highly intelligent humans survived, and thus learnt the technology of the future, then returned to the present to implement them, and proceeds to travel into the future to exterminate that OTHER civilization, or something?

My surmise is that if this were the case, from that day that time travel is properly established, there will be all kinds of "aliens" who are spawns of various human civilizations gone wrong (or done right). We can't interact with them yet because there is a "membrane" between us in space and time, and until that membrane is punctured on that hypothetical January 1, 2050, they can only peek through the membrane and see us. They can't come through, and we can see them sometimes if they allow us to (carelessly or voluntarily). In other words, it's still diverse variations of mankind at the end of the day, and not some "aliens", and they would still require salvation. If this was the case, they can return to Adam's point of sin, but they can't prevent it (as I said earlier, they can only observe the past beyond Jan 1, 2050). They would still need the salvation of Jesus in that case.

I hope you understand my case, but it's all conjecture. 

P.S. Please this is part content for my upcoming sci-fi novel (excluding the whole salvation gist).

It's (c) Mavenbox 2009. Thanks. 

Here I was thinking jesus would come and end the world soon.

@Tudor:

Is jesus not the son of god? Does that not make them relatives?

The immaculate conception of Jesus is NOT the only reason He was referred to as God's Son. To understand better what I believe sonship is, you can read through this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-369330.32.html#msg5159346

As for the return of Christ, it's not mine to debate.

What if in 2050 when they invent this time machine and go back in time to the time of the garden of eden to watch as adam and eve eat the forbidden fruit, but find that there was no garden of eden and no adam and eve, Just ancient civilisations at the start of the agricultural revolution?
What if you go back further and see nomadic tribes of hunter gatherers, then other species of humans like homo erectus, austrolopithecus, neanderthal, homo habilis, etc. Would you still hold onto your beliefs in the creation story of the bible?
What if you went back millions of years further and saw with your own eyes that evolution is a fact. Would you still believe that it is not true? How difficult would it be for the religious to change their beliefs even when faced with the cold hard facts. Would you be opened minded enough to accept that the things you have believed in for so long may be proved wrong?

I think it would be great if we could clarify life, the earth, and the universe's true history once and for all and for all to see with no argument.

@mantraa: beautifully crafted point you have there!

If I were to go back in time and see that all I have believed in according to the Bible is falsehood, then I would have one of three choices:

1. Faith in God no matter what I have seen by the future's technology.
2. Faith in the Future's technology
        2a. Believing that it showed me the same past of mankind, and did not instead deviate into an alternate past which did not lead into my present,
        2b. Believing that it is not an illusion designed by someone from the most extreme future in order to steer us off course
3. Try to see where the two of them agree to say the same thing (Faith in both).

Most likely, honestly speaking, my option will be (3) because there is no proof of infallibility of the Time Travel Methods, as far as I know. How do I know that what is being observed is not (in turn) manipulated by some human beings or aliens at the very end of time, say, who have technology that is higher-dimensioned and more advanced than Time Travel, and want to ensure that some things work out in a particular way due to the "discoveries" about man's cradle and afterwards? Maybe to manipulate man's design and experience for their own benefit?

So, since there is no proof of infallibility for Time Travel, and no other proof of Eden, I will have to see where they rationally agree, I suppose.

Option (3) should be it if I live to see that day, unless it can be shown that the Time-travel methods are absolutely incorruptible.

Mavenb0x:


@Viaro: I have a private conjecture on aliens and UFOs which is a little bizarre, and if it is true, then it negates my posts on this thread. I want you to consider it with me. I must confess I am not so much of a scientist, so pardon my wrong nomenclature if any.

Assume space and time is continuous, and a certain force (c.f. gravity's downward pull) is what keeps drawing man in the forward time axis. Just like man grappled with gravity for years before aerodynamics was instituted, man will soon discover a way to travel in short bursts through time. Short "backward" bursts in which he can see but can't interact with his past, but he keeps being drawn back into present. Until considerable time-travel is invented and man can travel across time in either direction.

Assume this first time machine invention happens on January 1, 2050.

Thus, January 1, 2050 will be a kind of "terminus" for those travelling from the future into the past. They may travel past that point, but they may not interact with people beyond that point. i.e. say a tourist from the future visits 2009 Georgia. This will be observed in Georgia as a "UFO" but there will be no interaction between the parties, because such interaction will cause the time machine to be built much faster than January 1. 2050 thanks to the transfer of advanced knowledge from the future. (This may be a reason there have not been any recorded exchange with any "UFO".

As from January 1, 2050 when the time machine is invented, tourists from all sorts of future civilizations will arrive to examine Earth, and scientists and tourists from the present will be able to attend to the future as well. This is where my conjecture gets complex. I believe, in this conjecture, that any physical interaction we may have with "aliens" will start occurring from that January 1, 2050. These "aliens" are in fact humans who have undergone varying extra-terrestrial conditions (compare with the formation of diverse human races) such as, for example, a civilization where thanks to some space-wars, the universe became polluted and man had to begin wearing body-suites because flesh will be wasted on contact with the environment. Or civilizations where man had to be modified physically to suit other ambient conditions. Or, say, a group of highly intelligent humans who travelled off into a diverse civilization where only the highly intelligent humans survived, and thus learnt the technology of the future, then returned to the present to implement them, and proceeds to travel into the future to exterminate that OTHER civilization, or something?

My surmise is that if this were the case, from that day that time travel is properly established, there will be all kinds of "aliens" who are spawns of various human civilizations gone wrong (or done right). We can't interact with them yet because there is a "membrane" between us in space and time, and until that membrane is punctured on that hypothetical January 1, 2050, they can only peek through the membrane and see us. They can't come through, and we can see them sometimes if they allow us to (carelessly or voluntarily). In other words, it's still diverse variations of mankind at the end of the day, and not some "aliens", and they would still require salvation. If this was the case, they can return to Adam's point of sin, but they can't prevent it (as I said earlier, they can only observe the past beyond Jan 1, 2050). They would still need the salvation of Jesus in that case.

I hope you understand my case, but it's all conjecture.

P.S. Please this is part content for my upcoming sci-fi novel (excluding the whole salvation gist).

It's (c) Mavenbox 2009. Thanks.

Maven, this is brilliant.

But its is bedridden with problems and assumptions.

Viewing past events to my mind is a definite possibility. Light contains pictures and once we have a machine that can decrypt those pictures we will be able to see the events billions of years ago within the light rays from the stars we see in the sky.

However appearing within a past reality (as a UFO for example) makes the very serious assumption that past events are still happening.

In other words; you assume that for a person living in 2050, 2009 Georgia still exists and events there are still occuring and he can enter into that reality (as a UFO) to view the still-existing reality. This is doubtless a great presumption.

But more fatal is the presumption that events are already occuring in the future as we speak. - That as we speak, things are already happening in 2050 and accordingly 2050 IS A PLACE FROM WHICH A PERSON MIGHT VISIT OR WHICH WE MIGHT VISIT.

This is wholly implausible because the state of affairs in 2050 DEPENDS on the state of affairs now, and on the period between now and 2050. And things are still growing and unfolding.

In 2050 I will be in my seventies. Do we presume that a seventy-something year old Deep Sight is already pottering about somewhere in the future?

What if i die before then? This shows that 2050 is conditional upon passing time, and is not a point already existing ftom which visitors or viewers may come to 2009, as is implicitly suggested within your surmise.

Creative thoughts though.

You are a writer? Great! Am putting together a novel myself. Writing is my life-long passion.

Everybody wants to write a book these days even the talentless jokers.

I comit a crime i write a book, you escape an accident you get a book deal. . . I had an extramarital affair, i write a book about it.
I lost 10 million in the stock market i publish the story

Geez, we are tired. . . .if you're writing a book it better be good!! else just keep it under your matress or read it to your quadriplegic grandmother.

@DeepSight: LOL Thanks, sir!  

Actually, that was the SOLE premise of the entire idea, and that was the first thing I started the idea with. See,

Assume space and time is continuous

Maybe continuous was not the right word I should have used, but yes, this whole idea ASSUMES that events are occurring in the past, present and future simultaneously, oblivious of one another.

Think of it like a book. You can read from the end and see where the hero did not actually die, but we were made to believe he died. You can start from the middle and see where the hero is undergoing excessive pain, and dies. You can start from the beginning, where the hero is born and no one even knows he will yet be a hero. That is the kind of continuity I meant.

But it's all an assumption.

Yes, DeepSight, I write too! Maybe I will post the first three chapters of a novel of mine, called "Clockwork Mercenaries" here on NL. It deals with science-fiction, medicine, fantasy fashioned after Yoruba mystic and arcane legends, and places Nigeria as a key player in future world affairs Incomplete for now, though, and needs editing. I will post it maybe later today. Your comments will be welcome!

@Tudor: Not to worry, you will read my stuff too, and judge for yourself. It's a rather long book, though.

This is a "short" one I posted on NL a while back. A little long as well. Please I need your intelligent criticism on it, as it delves into psychoanalysis and alternate realities.

LIVING LOVELY (Flash Fiction, a Novella)
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-362357.0.html

Tudór:

Everybody wants to write a book these days even the talentless jokers.

I comit a crime i write a book, you escape an accident you get a book deal. . . I had an extramarital affair, i write a book about it.
I lost 10 million in the stock market i publish the story

Geez, we are tired. . . .if you're writing a book it better be good!! else just keep it under your matress or read it to your quadriplegic grandmother.

Tudor you are a riot! LOL!!!! This had me rolling on the floor.

Please consider a career as a professional yabbist as per Fela Kuti!!!!

@DeepSight: LMAO no mind Tudor. Even me sef I tear lafter!

@topic,

There have been a lot of suggestions that the UFO phenomena is not new. Even in bible times, there were UFO experiences. The popular book 'Spaceships of Ezekiel' by J.F.Blumrich makes for interesting reading. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/spaceships_ezekiel.htm

One conspiracy theory is that in the 'end time' there will be a lot of UFO activity. Men will say that this is the evidence that man is partly from the stars and that the creation story is just a metaphor for how these aliens genetically modified the beasts, indigenous to earth, in order for them to become 'rational man' and therefore useful to them. And that when these visitors from the stars actually make contact again they will declare themselves to be the 'gods' that 'created' us. Some say that this is the grand deception spoken of in the book of Daniel and in Revelation that will lead even the 'elect' almost astray. Because these visitors will perform miracles and make 'fire' fall from the sky. And they will make man to 'worship' the 'beast' of revelation.

I think that this is a very interesting theory. Because if, indeed, technologically advanced beings where to visit one day and declare themselves to be the 'gods' of the bible, i am sure that a lot of people will believe them. What this theory suggests is that UFO's are actually the 'fallen angels' of the bible.

The possibility that UFO's are actually our descendents come to visit from the future is a discussion that is ongoing in some circles. The thinking is that by the time man has mastered space and time to be able to travel outside of time, he will also have cracked such extra-dimensional mysteries like moving across timelines in parrallel universes. The thinking is that once a time traveller makes contact with a specific timeline, he changes it and in so doing sets in motion an alternative future for that time line-a future in which things are so different from the future from where he visited. That's the current theory regarding time travel and multiple timelines.

The fact remains that as scientific theory turns into reality, people will continue to find that some of the conclusions they had come to regarding what the bible said about those things, were more of embellishments by man as opposed to the truth of what God had said in his revealed word.

The truth is that if God is true, then he will remain true irrespective of the traditions of men and the attempts made to defend Him. If God is not true, then those of us who have chosen to believe in Him, have lost nothing.

beneli:

@topic,

There have been a lot of suggestions that the UFO phenomena is not new. Even in bible times, there were UFO experiences. The popular book 'Spaceships of Ezekiel' by J.F.Blumrich makes for interesting reading. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/spaceships_ezekiel.htm

One conspiracy theory is that in the 'end time' there will be a lot of UFO activity. Men will say that this is the evidence that man is partly from the stars and that the creation story is just a metaphor for how these aliens genetically modified the beasts, indigenous to earth, in order for them to become 'rational man' and therefore useful to them. And that when these visitors from the stars actually make contact again they will declare themselves to be the 'gods' that 'created' us. Some say that this is the grand deception spoken of in the book of Daniel and in Revelation that will lead even the 'elect' almost astray. Because these visitors will perform miracles and make 'fire' fall from the sky. And they will make man to 'worship' the 'beast' of revelation.

I think that this is a very interesting theory. Because if, indeed, technologically advanced beings where to visit one day and declare themselves to be the 'gods' of the bible, i am sure that a lot of people will believe them. What this theory suggests is that UFO's are actually the 'fallen angels' of the bible.

The possibility that UFO's are actually our descendents come to visit from the future is a discussion that is ongoing in some circles. The thinking is that by the time man has mastered space and time to be able to travel outside of time, he will also have cracked such extra-dimensional mysteries like moving across timelines in parrallel universes. The thinking is that once a time traveller makes contact with a specific timeline, he changes it and in so doing sets in motion an alternative future for that time line-a future in which things are so different from the future from where he visited. That's the current theory regarding time travel and multiple timelines.

The fact remains that as scientific theory turns into reality, people will continue to find that some of the conclusions they had come to regarding what the bible said about those things, were more of embellishments by man as opposed to the truth of what God had said in his revealed word.

The truth is that if God is true, then he will remain true irrespective of the traditions of men and the attempts made to defend Him. If God is not true, then those of us who have chosen to believe in Him, have lost nothing.

@beneli: Interesting! And here was I, thinking I had an ingenious and original idea for a novel

Mavenb0x:

@beneli: Interesting! And here was I, thinking I had an ingenious and original idea for a novel

Sorry O!

Mavenb0x:

@Viaro: I have a private conjecture on aliens and UFOs which is a little bizarre, and if it is true, then it negates my posts on this thread. I want you to consider it with me. I must confess I am not so much of a scientist, so pardon my wrong nomenclature if any.

Assume space and time is continuous, and a certain force (c.f. gravity's downward pull) is what keeps drawing man in the forward time axis. Just like man grappled with gravity for years before aerodynamics was instituted, man will soon discover a way to travel in short bursts through time. Short "backward" bursts in which he can see but can't interact with his past, but he keeps being drawn back into present. Until considerable time-travel is invented and man can travel across time in either direction.

Assume this first time machine invention happens on January 1, 2050.

Thus, January 1, 2050 will be a kind of "terminus" for those travelling from the future into the past. They may travel past that point, but they may not interact with people beyond that point. i.e. say a tourist from the future visits 2009 Georgia. This will be observed in Georgia as a "UFO" but there will be no interaction between the parties, because such interaction will cause the time machine to be built much faster than January 1. 2050 thanks to the transfer of advanced knowledge from the future. (This may be a reason there have not been any recorded exchange with any "UFO".

As from January 1, 2050 when the time machine is invented, tourists from all sorts of future civilizations will arrive to examine Earth, and scientists and tourists from the present will be able to attend to the future as well. This is where my conjecture gets complex. I believe, in this conjecture, that any physical interaction we may have with "aliens" will start occurring from that January 1, 2050. These "aliens" are in fact humans who have undergone varying extra-terrestrial conditions (compare with the formation of diverse human races) such as, for example, a civilization where thanks to some space-wars, the universe became polluted and man had to begin wearing body-suites because flesh will be wasted on contact with the environment. Or civilizations where man had to be modified physically to suit other ambient conditions. Or, say, a group of highly intelligent humans who travelled off into a diverse civilization where only the highly intelligent humans survived, and thus learnt the technology of the future, then returned to the present to implement them, and proceeds to travel into the future to exterminate that OTHER civilization, or something?

My surmise is that if this were the case, from that day that time travel is properly established, there will be all kinds of "aliens" who are spawns of various human civilizations gone wrong (or done right). We can't interact with them yet because there is a "membrane" between us in space and time, and until that membrane is punctured on that hypothetical January 1, 2050, they can only peek through the membrane and see us. They can't come through, and we can see them sometimes if they allow us to (carelessly or voluntarily). In other words, it's still diverse variations of mankind at the end of the day, and not some "aliens", and they would still require salvation. If this was the case, they can return to Adam's point of sin, but they can't prevent it (as I said earlier, they can only observe the past beyond Jan 1, 2050). They would still need the salvation of Jesus in that case.

I hope you understand my case, but it's all conjecture.

@Mavenb0x, that was simply illuminating. As beneli has aptly noted, some of the things you conjectured are actually on-going discussions in some circles; so I don't think it would serve me any good to begin to pick holes in yours - afterall, it is only a conjecture (and one that I find quite interesting for what it is worth). So, well done.

So Beneli, do you imagine that there are infinite numbers of YOU in infinitie time and space dimensions living out an infinity of different tangential possibilities of destiny simultaenously.

Because that is what you have suggested.

I do not discard the possibility: i need to know if that is what you assert or imagine[b] is possible.[/b]