I guess it's been coming. Having been raised as a christian, i have accepted the religion without qualms early on, but as i grew older and reflected more on the whole purpose of a person's life, my scepticism deepened. Of great interest to me is the issue of life and death and christianity's take on it. I mean some things just don't add up or make proper sense to me.
I'll begin by highlighting some some of these things from a biblical angle.

1) Through Adam sin came into the world: by virtue of this, I'm made to understand that whatever predicament i face here on earth is as a result of some inherited sin i know nothing about which happened years ago. I won't elucidate further on this but I'll go on to say after so many millenia, punishing me for the sin of someone i don't even know is a tad over-reactive.

2) The wages of Sin: now i understand wages in this context to mean reward or more specifically, punishment. You might be wondering what this has to do with anything but it actually leads to my next point. Personally if mortality is punishment for inherited sin no problem, I'll embrace it wholeheartedly. Instead i find that I'm in for a shocker!
N.B By the way anyone noticed how animals die too, did they also inherit Adam's sin or have they been sinners right from creation?

3) The hell-fire and heaven: as if dying and earthly anguish werent punishment enough, if i don't ask for for forgiveness from the sin i inherited from Adam, I'll be judged after death and tossed into a burning lake where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth". This is yet another punishment for inherited sin. N.B: I have a question here too, when a baby is born and then dies shortly after probably due to some complications, the baby goes to hell due to inherited sin right? Okay, a baby is not conscious of its actions, how about a 2 year old who is able to decipher the difference good and bad but has not been able to grasp the idea of praying for forgiveness? Then again, since we do not control who births us, what happen to those born to pagan worshipping parents and have no idea of repentance and consequences of sin?

4) The whole concept of living on earth and dying: this is the one that really blows my mind. Based on the notion of after-life, i think I'll be correct to assume that there is a before-life or pre-existence of some form. If I'll be conscious of my post-existence experience, why am i unable to recall my pre-existence experience? Surely, i must have signed up at some point before i was conceived to come to earth, go through hardship, die before finally facing judgement. Or am i just a random creation in the creator's scheme of things?

I still have so much more to write, but i don't want to bore you guys out. These are just my thoughts it may not make any sense to you but please to those who at least get what I'm trying to drive at, help me out. My plea is desperate. Thank you.

LOL.. you are perfectly fine sir.. Nothing is wrong with the way you think though many persons seesit otherwise. If you continue in this line of thought, you are liable to break free from the shackles of religion

teelaw4life:
I guess it's been coming. Having been raised as a christian, i have accepted the religion without qualms early on, but as i grew older and reflected more on the whole purpose of a person's life, my scepticism deepened. Of great interest to me is the issue of life and death and christianity's take on it. I mean some things just don't add up or make proper sense to me.
I'll begin by highlighting some some of these things from a biblical angle.

1) Through Adam sin came into the world: by virtue of this, I'm made to understand that whatever predicament i face here on earth is as a result of some inherited sin i know nothing about which happened years ago. I won't elucidate further on this but I'll go on to say after so many millenia, punishing me for the sin of someone i don't even know is a tad over-reactive.

Enoch, Abel etc had the same thing but he chose to live to please God and he was not punished. My point is, I am yet to see any one in the Bible punished simply because they were Adam's descendants. The choices we make is what justifies or condemn us.

2) The wages of Sin: now i understand wages in this context to mean reward or more specifically, punishment. You might be wondering what this has to do with anything but it actually leads to my next point. Personally if mortality is punishment for inherited sin no problem, I'll embrace it wholeheartedly. Instead i find that I'm in for a shocker!
N.B By the way anyone noticed how animals die too, did they also inherit Adam's sin or have they been sinners right from creation?

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God
Romans 8:20,21

3) The hell-fire and heaven: as if dying and earthly anguish werent punishment enough, if i don't ask for for forgiveness from the sin i inherited from Adam, I'll be judged after death and tossed into a burning lake where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth". This is yet another punishment for inherited sin.

Refer to first response.

N.B: I have a question here too, when a baby is born and then dies shortly after probably due to some complications, the baby goes to hell due to inherited sin right? Okay, a baby is not conscious of its actions, how about a 2 year old who is able to decipher the difference good and bad but has not been able to grasp the idea of praying for forgiveness? Then again, since we do not control who births us, what happen to those born to pagan worshipping parents and have no idea of repentance and consequences of sin?

babies are amoral, are not yet able to discern good and evil and are not yet able to intelligently choose one or the other. Judgement is for those who are able to do these things.

4) The whole concept of living on earth and dying: this is the one that really blows my mind. Based on the notion of after-life, i think I'll be correct to assume that there is a before-life or pre-existence of some form. If I'll be conscious of my post-existence experience, why am i unable to recall my pre-existence experience? Surely, i must have signed up at some point before i was conceived to come to earth, go through hardship, die before finally facing judgement. Or am i just a random creation in the creator's scheme of things?

I still have so much more to write, but i don't want to bore you guys out. These are just my thoughts it may not make any sense to you but please to those who at least get what I'm trying to drive at, help me out. My plea is desperate. Thank you.

There is NOTHING like a pre-existence!

Scholar8200:
Enoch, Abel etc had the same thing but he chose to live to please God and he was not punished. My point is, I am yet to see any one in the Bible punished simply because they were Adam's descendants. The choices we make is what justifies or condemn us.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God
Romans 8:20,21


Refer to first response.


babies are amoral, are not yet able to discern good and evil and are not yet able to intelligently choose one or the other. Judgement is for those who are able to do these things.

There is NOTHING like a pre-existence!

thanks for your response. Enoch and Elijah are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to Adamic sin. Okay, let me ask this question, why do we die? when God created Adam and Eve, was it his intention for Adam and his descendants to die?

i do not understand your second point clearly, pls elucidate.

I would readily agree to the claim that babies are amoral, if you can back it up properly. but what about 2 year olds? they aren't babies, you see them do something wrong and then run away when you try to scold them. they're intelligent enough for that I think but i doubt if they're mentally developed enough to grasp the concept of asking for forgiveness.

about no pre-existence, let me ask, where then do we come from. how can there be an after-life, yet no before-life. like i mentioned earlier, why should i go through an afterlife when i had no say in how i came into being.

I'm just really concerned, i suffered the loss of a close relative and it has just set me off. i have prayed enough times, asking for forgiveness of sin, salvation, sanctification and baptism of the holy spirit. but it just hasn't worked for me. i still need more help and clarification on this.

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Op, don't worry. There is not wrong with you. You're gradually unplugging from the system. I started just like you about a year ago.

AllIDoIsWin:


thanks for your response. Enoch and Elijah are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to Adamic sin. Okay, let me ask this question, why do we die? when God created Adam and Eve, was it his intention for Adam and his descendants to die?

No, death was just a result of the fall of man. Note the uniqueness of the man that fell, Adam. He was to be the prototype of others hence his fall and subjection to corruption were transferred to the others. However, the Second Man (the Last Adam) 1 corinth 15:45,47 has come to
-bear the consequences of the fall of the first, and
- deliver all that believe on Him from those consequences by His Life.

Why then do Believers still die?
Scripture reveals that God has a time frame when the fullness of all that Jesus did will be revealed. Daniel 9:24-27 shows this. That is why it is written that the last enemy that will be destroyed is death 1Corinth 15:26, Revelations 20 :12-15 proves this.

i do not understand your second point clearly, pls elucidate.

That passage shows that as man by the fall became a servant of corruption, same happened to the animals. And when man shall finally be liberated, they also will be liberated.

I would readily agree to the claim that babies are amoral, if you can back it up properly. but what about 2 year olds? they aren't babies, you see them do something wrong and then run away when you try to scold them. they're intelligent enough for that I think but i doubt if they're mentally developed enough to grasp the concept of asking for forgiveness.

11 (for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;
Romans 9:11
Note the highlighted and the reference to deeds not nature.


That's because you watch as an assessor. They do not discern these things. Though after doing an act, they learn to note your reactions and their instinct records what might happen and what to do to avoid pain of being spanked.

about no pre-existence, let me ask, where then do we come from.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Eccl 12:7
Shows where we came from and where we head for judgement Hebrews 9:27 after death.

how can there be an after-life, yet no before-life. like i mentioned earlier, why should i go through an afterlife when i had no say in how i came into being.

Well, that's how it is and is immutable!

I'm just really concerned, i suffered the loss of a close relative and it has just set me off.

Very sorry for that! May God give you the fortitude to bear the loss.

i have prayed enough times, asking for forgiveness of sin, salvation, sanctification and baptism of the holy spirit. but it just hasn't worked for me. i still need more help and clarification on this.

In seeking God for these and other gifts of grace, seeking should start from the word. When this starts, faith that cannot be denied comes and underpins efforts in prayer!