mrvitalis:

U are wrong
I have been in the oil industry most b. Engr holders in oik servicing companies are employed as technicians
But a HND holder can never be employed as an engineer unless he has pgd
That's a fact

mrvitalis:

U are wrong
I have been in the oil industry most b. Engr holders in oik servicing companies are employed as technicians
But a HND holder can never be employed as an engineer unless he has pgd
That's a fact

agwu123:
Your post above has revealed your level of ignorance. Apart from academic masters (for those that want to go into teaching/lecturing), you can be admitted into master degree programmes with your HND within and outside Nigeria. Please go and read University of Ibadan (UI) Post Graduate School prospectus for various post graduate programmes.
Majority of us here are just advertising our ignorance and shallow mindedness to the entire world. I wouldn't blame you off course, you are beclouded with the ripple effect of the bureaucratic cum political tendencies of the managers of our educational system in Nigeria, a grave sin that have plunged Nigeria to the abyss of underdevelopment over the years.
May God help us always to do the right thing.

jpphilips:



Most servicing companies place Bsc and Hnd in tandem, it is only JV producing companies that discriminate in the oil industry, however, I think theirs is understandable because both do different jobs, again i have another feeling that it is still the Nigerian bureaucracy that crept into these companies after all, Nigeria still holds 60% of the JVs in most producing companies.

illuminated93:
Your logic is warped. Both are distinct professions. Are both not allowed to get to the top most echelon of their professions? Moreover,both are administered by distinct bodies,the nma (medical association) and the psn(pharmaceutical society).

I trust that you are enlightened, please don't make me see you as a quack all because of your warped way of reasoning..
Cc conqueredwest

mrvitalis:

OK let me use pharmacist and a pharmaceutical Technologist... Can they ever be equal??
Hope this explains it to u

illuminated93:
Conqueredwest, pls come read what our colleague wrote. Smh

illuminated93:
Sir,what is your take on this hnd/bsc issue with respect to our system here in nigeria,where a polytechnic functions more or less as a university,where a polytechnic offers almost same courses as a university?

The nigerian engineer argues that he is trained to reason analytically,making reference to the equations he did in school,but he believes a poly graduate is inferior or isn't trained to reason analytically,even when the same poly graduate offered same analytical courses as him. My argument is this,since the Nigerian polytechnics don't function the way it should,in the sense that it doesn't really teach students the purely practical facet of engineering. Since a Nigerian poly does more of theoretical work just like we have in the university ,isn't it suitable for the Nigerian polytechnics to be on an equal footing with the universities,since they both operate the same way.

idupaul:
Good news but it never really existed it just existed in the mind of those who believed that University cert had more value than a poly cert but they have always been equivalent

OrlandoOwoh:

His analogy is right. Most of you jubilitating don't really understand what you read. The only thing in this piece of news is that (though not yet approved) the limitation in the level a HND will get in the civil service has been removed. Have you asked yourself if it means not making PGD compulsory for HND holders wanting to study for their masters? Can holders of HND now be in the same level with Bsc holders? Ask yourself pertinent questions that affect young people, not celebrating what only men and women already in the civil service would enjoy.

ConqueredWest:




You see why Africans are backward in the field of knowledge.

You defined Technician, Engineering Technologist and Engineer

The question you should have asked yourself is, what is the definition of Technologist.?

Engineering Technologist is not the same as Technologist or Engineer.

Engineering Technologist is a blend of both. That is why Engineer was defined even after mentioning the word Engineer in Engineering Technology.



The inability of Africans to understand that Technologists are not Engineers and not below Engineers is the reason why Africans can't produce technological things


Difference between a Technologist and Engineering


Engineering focuses more on design based on scientific knowledge( equations, laws, theories,principles etc..)

That is why in engineering, you are taught scientific equations, laws , theories, principles etc and towards the last session in school DESIGN based on these things


Technologist focuses more how things work and how things are produced. This enables a Technologist to bring into reality things designed by Engineers.

That is why in Technology you are taught how things are produced and how they work and in the last session in school, you are taught what to consider when bringing a design into reality.


UNFORTUNATELY, No Nigerian higher institution teaches technology as it should be taught. Rather our polytechnics teach Engineering calling it Technology.

For this reason, we don't have enough graduates that can reproduced or invent new technological products that can be industrialized to aid our economy.

UYCO:
The problem we have in this country is that we want to start running when we are yet to learn how to crawl. We want to adopt American system of education but we fail to realize that America left where we are now over 200 years ago. China was smart enough to understand this fact and they took advantage of technology to develop their economy. Americans are complaining that whatever they design in America is mass produced in China. Like the above poster said. A developing country needs more of technologist than paper engineers. We need production of goods for export not theories. There are millions of theories and design out there that we can copy and produce and export to stimulate our economy.

OrlandoOwoh:

The British colonial government built universities in West Africa. University College, Ibadan, Nigeria and the University College, Legon, Ghana were built.

jpphilips:


Who built UI?
American University in Cairo was built by who?
American international University West Africa in Gambia was built by who?
British university in Cairo nko?


Nigeria was a British colony and they modelled UI, OAU and UNILAG's curriculum after Cambridge's, brought Cambridge Professors to run it, what was the need building more? what was the population of Nigeria and interest in education at the time? was it not the time when communities contribute for one of them to go to higher institution?
It is complete fallacy to say they deliberately refused to build universities, in my own opinion, they left us in a hurry, the reason SA was quintessential to your warped analogy is because they stayed longer in SA than other African countries.

Harbdulrasaq:
At last, it is with excitement, capital joy amidst jubilation and celebration of over 20 years struggle of Nigerian Polytechnic students and graduates including the staff unions and heads of Polytechnic in Nigeria.

I am pleased to announce to the public that the COUNCIL OF ESTABLISHMENT which comprises of all the head of service of the 36 States of the Federation and the head of service of the Federation approved the removal of this long overdue dichotomy which hinder the career progression of HND holders in civil service in her 39th meeting held in Minna Niger state capital during the week after an exhaustive deliberation, pro and anti deposition which ended with tie vote of 16 against 16 while the head of service of the Federation voted in support as presiding officer after the tie, to earn the Polytechnic sector the victory.

Making the vote 17 pro against 16 anti. Henceforth, This resolution automatically lift embargo on HND holder career progression in civil service as the holder can now rise beyond Deputy Director in civil service as well enjoy all sort of benefits/promotion to the topmost rank due to BSc holders in civil service.

It is on record that this same Council was the sole obstacle for this struggle since year 2005 when President Olusegun Obasanjo pronounced the removal of this dichotomy, the Council called the then president statement a mere pronouncement with out documentation and refused it adoption nor implementation.

It will be recalled that the last meeting of the council which was held at Ilorin kwara state capital witness heavy presence of Nigeria Polytechnic students which I personally led as the National Senate President of NAPS to the council in protest for the need for the council to reconsider her position on the said matter.

A position paper was submitted after the protest as demanded by the then head of service of Federation who was the chairman of the Council, unfortunately, the matter was completely discussed nor concluded at Ilorin until now in her next meeting in Niger state.

The Council often meets every 2 years, On behalf of the entire West Africa Polytechnic students and most especially the Nigeria Polytechnic students, I express sincere gratitude to the head of service of states and that of the Federation who stood for us and with us, the Federal Ministry of Education, the National Board for Technical Education NTBE, Council of Head of Polytechnic and Colleges of Technology COHEADS, Academic Staff Union of Polytechnic ASUP, past and present leadership of National Association Of Polytechnic Students NAPS and by extension the Nigerians Union of journalist for their support all through the struggle.

We look forward for immediate implementation by all state of the Federation, Federal government agencies and departments while I call on all Polytechnic student to join us as we Commence appreciation/celebration.

Amb S A Lukman ‪#‎AIG‬
Immediate past Senate President NAPS, Outgoing Regional President WAPSU

http://www.edificationinfo.com/2016/07/hndbsc-dichotomy-removed.html

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