M_Nwankwo, please help with these questions.

1. The place of the authour of the Grail Message within the Trinity if any (is he the Holy Spirit?)

2. Who is Parsifal? Is Parsifal God? Is he perhaps the highest image of God? Is he part of the Trinity or is the Trinity Embodied in him?

3. What's the relationship between Jesus and the Authour of the Grail Message?

4. Do Parfisal & Jesus worship the father? If they do, can they be called God?

@Deepsight

Deep Sight:

M_Nwankwo, please help with these questions.   

   1. The place of the authour of the Grail Message within the Trinity if any (is he the Holy Spirit?)

   2. Who is Parsifal? Is Parsifal God? Is he perhaps the highest image of God? Is he part of the Trinity or is the Trinity Embodied in him?

   3. What's the relationship between Jesus and the Authour of the Grail Message?

   4. Do Parfisal & Jesus worship the father? If they do, can they be called God?

Hi Deep Sight. Thanks for the serious questions that you raised. I will offer my perception on some of them. The questions on the identity of Abd-ru-Shin will not be answered for it is my view that each individual should find the answer to that question by himself. And I am sure that anyone who needs to know who Abd-ru-Shin is for genuine spiritual reasons will get the answer without the help of anyone. Luminous servants of God are always ready to lead any serious seeker to that recognition either in this life or beyond this life. Now to the questions.

1. I urge you to find the answer to question 1 and my perception is that your spirit is quite capable of that. All you need is to seek and pray. I wish you strength in that regard.

2. Parsifal is not God. Prior to the coming into existence of creation, there is only God the Father and his divine radiations. The immediate radiations of God constitute what is revealed to us  as the Divine Sphere. The last deposits from out of the divine radiations of God could not come to consciousness due to the intense degree of heat brought about by the proximity of God. These unformed radiations of God have the unconscious longing to become conscious and acquire a form and a personality. In the divine sphere, these deposits of the direct radiations of God, cannot become conscious. God the Father in answer to these unconscious longings from these unformed radiations decided to bring creation into existence for only in creation can these unformed radiations  be cooled down permitting different beings, entities and indeed worlds to arise. Thus out of love for his unformed radiations, the Primordial Light-God the Father through an act of his will brought the first creation into existence. The creative will of God the Father is the Holy Spirit. It is revealed that a part of the Holy Spirit was severed from him and became personal in the creative process. That means that a part of the primordial light have to step out from the unsubstantiate Light and be anchored at the boundary of the divine sphere. Thus it is a part of the Holy Spirit that brought creation into existence. To bring primordial creation into existence, the Holy Spirit has the purest of the primordial spiritual as a cloak or anchorage. Creation can only come into existence by a transmutation of the radiations of the Holy Spirit by this Primordial Spiritual vessel or anchorage. If the Holy Spirit was not cloaked by this primordial spiritual vessel, then the creative Holy Spirit will be drawn back to the Primordial Light, thus interrupting the process of creation and decay of all that has been created. This primordial spiritual cloak of the Holy Spirit is Parsifal. Parsifal is thus the first in the primordial spiritual creation. It is primordial spiritual beings that came into existence by the Holy Spirit radiating through Parsifal that are the image of God. After the image of God which are the primordial beings, came the created beings which are themselves the image of primordial spiritual beings. The human spirit if he develops according to the will of God is only an image of the copy of the image of God. Thus the human spirit is not even a created being but a developed being. Thus only the primordial spiritual creation was directly created by God. Every thing else is a coarser copy of this first creation, and the copies get coarser as the distances from primordial creation increases. Although Parsifal is inseparable from the Holy Spirit in their working, he is not a part of the Trinity because He is only the Primordial Spiritual Vessel of the Holy Spirit.

3. Jesus is the son of God, a part of the Godhead. Again I do not want to comment on the identity of Abd-ru-shin. I know who he is but others should find that out for themselves.

4. If you have read carefully my perception on Trinity on the Trinity thread, then you will see that there is already an answer to the question. You still seem to consider Jesus and the Holy Spirit as separate from God the Father. Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are parts of God the Father. They only appear to creatures as three because of their separate working. Before creation, it was only God the Father. During creation, a part of God the Father became personal in the creative process, thus God the Father appear to be two in its working at this point. When humankind failed a part of God the Father became personal in the work of redemption. Thus with the emission and subsequent incarnation of Jesus Christ, God became a Trinity. It is the same God the Father working in threefold. Jesus and the Holy Spirit will be nothing without God the Father for they are parts of the father that became personal in the work of redemption (love) and in the creative process. Thus your question is like asking whether God worships himself. Worship are for all beings that came out of the radiations of God. Everything except God came out of the radiation of God. In gratitude to God for permitting these embodied radiations conscious existence, a joyous gratitude flows back to God from the radiations of God that has taken on form. This jubilant gratitude to God for his inconceivable love is what worship is. Jesus and the HolySpirit are one with God the Father and inseparable. Any attempt to separate them will lead to errors and further from the Truth. Thus, both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the only sons of God. With regard to Parsifal, you will hopefully find the answer from my answer in question 2. Stay blessed.

Thanks as always M_Nwankwo. I really struggled with these questions because i find it very difficult to accept any human being as being God (including Jesus).

Honestly the question of identity was what steered me away from the message. As you said, i will pray.

In my mind, i have a look at Guru Maharaji and Olumba Olumba Obu, they claimed to be God!

That's the same way i tend to see all other claims to Divinity (including the Christ Claim)?

I will pray, though.

Deep Sight:

Thanks as always M_Nwankwo. I really struggled with these questions because i find it very difficult to accept any human being as being God (including Jesus).

Honestly the question of identity was what steered me away from the message. As you said, i will pray.

In my mind, i have a look at Guru Maharaji and Olumba Olumba Obu, they claimed to be God!

That's the same way i tend to see all other claims to Divinity (including the Christ Claim)?

I will pray, though.

I wish you strength. Stay blessed!

Just a personal question - were you born a Crossbearer or became one individually?

Have you been sealed.

Have you visited the Temple in Austria? I hear its really beautiful.

Deep Sight:

Just a personal question - were you born a Crossbearer or became one individually?

Have you been sealed.

Have you visited the Temple in Austria? I hear its really beautiful.

I became one individually more than two decades ago. Yes I am sealed. I have not been to the Temple in Austria. Cheers.

@ deepsight, i need not say anything again. Nwankwo have said it all. The message is life in its entirety.

@m_nwankwo. Hello 

Is Parsifal = Kether?

Your first post on this thread seems to pretty much describe some Kabbalistic ideas, though it just seems to use different terminology.

e.g Kether is the first emanation of the Godhead through which creation occurs.

Do u know about Lurianic Kabbalah, or Isaac Luria?

@ krayola, all the explanations nwankwo did was as a result of his personal understanding of the work IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH: THE GRAIL MESSAGE by abd-ru-shin. This work can never be compared with any other ancient writings cos it stands completely on its own.

enitan2002:

@ krayola, all the explanations nwankwo did was as a result of his personal understanding of the work IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH: THE GRAIL MESSAGE by abd-ru-shin. This work can never be compared with any other ancient writings cos it stands completely on its own.

How can that be the case when a lot of the views expressed were hundreds of years old, and some new "insight" from his contemporaries e.g Jung

Kray, the revelations contained in the grail message was drawn from the highest point in creation, the grail castle to be precise. So with this, it contains the truth in its undistorted form. So therefore, any truths in other beliefs can be found also in the grail message and more light is shed on their meanings.

enitan2002:

Kray, the revelations contained in the grail message was drawn from the highest point in creation, the grail castle to be precise. So with this, it contains the truth in its undistorted form. So therefore, any truths in other beliefs can be found also in the grail message and more light is shed on their meanings.

Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from. (wikipedia)

dog·ma    (dôg'mə, dŏg'-)   
n.   pl. dog·mas or dog·ma·ta (-mə-tə)
A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner.

An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true.

Krayola:

@m_nwankwo. Hello 

Is Parsifal = Kether?

Your first post on this thread seems to pretty much describe some Kabbalistic ideas, though it just seems to use different terminology.

e.g Kether is the first emanation of the Godhead through which creation occurs.

Do u know about Lurianic Kabbalah, or Isaac Luria?

Hi Krayola. Thanks for your contribution. I draw what I wrote from the Grail Message by Abd-ru-Shin as well as my personal experience of worlds which are beyond the grasp of material senses or instruments devised to improve our physical senses. I have not studied Lurianic Kabbalah, or any other school of Kabbalah. But I do know that Kether is not Parsifal. However I do not wish to explain how I know that Parsifal is not Kether without studying/practicing Kaballah. Stay blessed.

m_nwankwo:

Hi Krayola. Thanks for your contribution. I draw what I wrote from the Grail Message by Abd-ru-Shin as well as my personal experience of worlds which are beyond the grasp of material senses or instruments devised to improve our physical senses. I have not studied Lurianic Kabbalah, or any other school of Kabbalah. But I do know that Kether is not Parsifal. However I do not wish to explain how I know that Parsifal is not Kether without studying/practicing Kaballah. Stay blessed. 

M_Nwankwo, this is a very loaded statement. Please let's discuss further off the Forum, if you have the time. Hit me at XXXXXXXXXXX

I will soon delete the email address, so pls save it now and confirm. Thanks!

Deep Sight:

M_Nwankwo, this is a very loaded statement. Please let's discuss further off the Forum, if you have the time. Hit me at xxxxxxxxxxx.

I will soon delete the email address, so pls save it now and confirm. Thanks!

Hi DeepSight. I have saved your email and will write you. Stay blessed.

m_nwankwo, please modify your quote above to remove the email address, thanks.

m_nwankwo:

Hi Krayola. Thanks for your contribution. I draw what I wrote from the Grail Message by Abd-ru-Shin as well as my personal experience of worlds which are beyond the grasp of material senses or instruments devised to improve our physical senses. I have not studied Lurianic Kabbalah, or any other school of Kabbalah. But I do know that Kether is not Parsifal. However I do not wish to explain how I know that Parsifal is not Kether without studying/practicing Kaballah. Stay blessed. 

Well, creation, as described by Abd-ru-shin, had been described like that for over centuries. Abd-ru-shin kinda consolidated ideas from various mystical schools of thought, but used a lot of terminology from Christian mysticism. People that trip over the Grail message usually have no idea that his "insight" are mostly old stuff written in modern language and presented as rational/logical arguments. Even though his method of persuasion is to mostly paint skeptics (of his ideas) as irrational and pretty much stupid. i.e. if u think otherwise, u are stupid, need to go back to school, are being irrational etc etc. . It claims not to be dogma or religion, but uses identical methods of persuasion. Brilliant mind, brilliant book. . . original, no. Absolute Truth, HELL NO!!




Any claim to absoluteness of an idea, world-view, or whatever, should get alarm bells ringing. . . My 2 cents.

Wish u all the best.

Krayola:

Well, creation, as described by Abd-ru-shin, had been described like that for over centuries. Abd-ru-shin kinda consolidated ideas from various mystical schools of thought, but used a lot of terminology from Christian mysticism. People that trip over the Grail message usually have no idea that his "insight" are mostly old stuff written in modern language and presented as rational/logical arguments. Even though his method of persuasion is to mostly paint skeptics (of his ideas) as irrational and pretty much stupid. i.e. if u think otherwise, u are stupid, need to go back to school, are being irrational etc etc. . It claims not to be dogma or religion, but uses identical methods of persuasion. Brilliant mind, brilliant book. . . original, no. Absolute Truth, HELL NO!!




Any claim to absoluteness of an idea, world-view, or whatever, should get alarm bells ringing. . . My 2 cents.

Wish u all the best.

Hi Krayola. Thanks for your contribution. I do not agree with the views you expressed on the Grail Message. But then it is the way you see it and it is your right to see it that way. I will not provide even one single argument to persuade you otherwise. Let each person decide for himself what to make of the Grail Message. I am absolutely certain that the Grail Message is a proclamation of eternal Truth. But then others like you may see it differently. Stay blessed.

@ nwankwo.

LET THE DEAD CONTINUE TO BURY THEIR DEAD.

Who is the Fisher King according to Abd ru shin?

Pastor - according to the Grail Message, Jesus is the Son of God.

Deep Sight:

Pastor - according to the Grail Message, Jesus is the Son of God.

Is Jesus the Fisher King in Grail message?

Dear m_nwankwo I would like to know how Abd-Ru-Shin got the message. Thanks!