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| Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 1:48pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
The following questions are some the questions that revealed atheists weakness. Most Atheists cannot find reasonable explanation to some of my questions presented below.You could do well or try by providing answers or explanation to any of these questions and explanations. And you can put this in your mind that 'I am just reasonable thinker who don't believe in any organized religion'. (1) Is nature a creation, eternal to nature, or an accident within nature? I decided to agree that that nature is a creation.According to a post from deism.com, the atheist counter that it is either eternal, or accidental. Our final judge to this problem will eventually be up to science to settle since most of them have much faith in science. Peter Murphy said "To begin, let us look at nature as an ever changing and shifting painting. Science attempts to understand what the paint and canvass is composed of, the relationship of the individual paints, and the brushstrokes that are involved in the final product. But, what about the painter? If one admits that nature is similar to a painting, than it is not too far a leap to conclude that a painter exists, or at least existed at one time". The atheist continually resorts to the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to modesty) when dealing with somebody like me or even theists. The appeal here is to science as an authority which cannot be challenged. Unfortunately, this appeal is plagued by its own problems. First of all, science makes no claims about God one way or another, so it is not the scientists who are for the most part claiming God does not exist on the grounds that there is a lack of evidence, but the scientific layman asserting it. If there is any you can link me or provide any evidence to show this assertion. (2)Do science have permanent explanations/evidences for ALL things? From my findings science is still in its infant stage. There is much about nature it simply does not know. There was still some of its theories there are were modified and liable to change in future if there are available accurate evidence and explanations. So why would Atheists leaned on a discipline which has its own limitations.I am sure you would agree with me that science has its own limitation.If you disagree with me then the first phase of evidence is your Chemistry texts. Check same theory postulated by different scientists and come out to tell me your findings. So what come of Atheists if science provide evidence and explanation the existence of a creator? In the word of Peter Murphy "Science itself is somewhat bias as well. It suffers from nearsightedness; what it cannot observe directly or indirectly, it ignores. Things like memory may have a basis in biology, but is it safe to conclude that only biology is at work here? No one has ever seen an emotion, or a memory; yet they exist. So it is not far-fetched to conclude that there is more to nature than what we observe in our own limited corner of it. Science has only touched the tip of the scientific iceberg -- as such, science cannot be used to dismiss the idea that a God may exist. If one cannot truly understand a grain of sand, then one cannot understand the beach." (3). Can Atheists prove that The Universe Creator does not exist with evidence? I doubt if any atheist can provide any evidence for non existence of a creator.The atheist demands that the religious people or the others like me to provide evidence for the existence of God. "They continually resort to logical fallacies of their own, for example, a common one is the Petitio principii (begging the question) fallacy; it goes something like this: there is no God because we find no evidence of God in nature. But is this true? No. We presently do not know enough about nature to make such a conclusion, eventually, the possibility that there is a God could be proven. The atheist has no evidence that the universe is eternal or accidental; they are assuming that scientific speculation somehow equals scientific fact. Obviously there is a great gap between speculation and fact to the rational mind. We have the painting, but to dismiss that there is a painter is illogical, unless there is evidence that it is either an eternal painting or an accident. So far all science has offered is speculation based on drawing inferences from the available data [which is far from complete]; nevertheless, since the evidence is not complete, nor fully understood, sweeping generalizations by atheist on what exists and does not exist are groundless". Atheists like to shift the burden of proof from themselves to their debating opponents; in short, the believer in God must prove God, but the atheist will not defend his position that the universe is either eternal or accidental. Often this tactic works, the believer will then try to make an argument for God, only to have the atheist demand that the believer first define God in some clear manner. Once the believer makes this mistake, he loses the debate. We are still in the process of understanding the painting, so trying to define the painter is doomed to failure; the believer must recognize this tactic and avoid it. Deists should feel free to openly state that there is absolutely no evidence against a Creator being, or a Creation, and that all skeptics have to offer is scientific speculation on very limited data. Deists believe there is something more; that is not unreasonable, it is very much human and rational. That "more" is God. Deists are willing to wait for the answer and are keeping an open mind on the matter; it is the atheists, who fear waiting. Simply put there is no evidence against God, nor is there evidence against a Creation [design]. The burden of proof does not lie on the open mind, but on the closed dogmatic mind which assumes that we already know all there is to know. http://seggzz2005..com.ng/2016/08/questions-that-revealed-atheists.html |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by EyeHateGod: 1:59pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
seggzz:  Who started with all this Accident Accident stuff? Nawa O This thing don't tire me oWhat is Nature? The summary of everything that has to do with biological, chemical and physical states and events in the physical universe. Thats why we have biology, Physics And Chemistry No matter how U think it everything still boiled down to Physics(Physical world) nature is not Spiritual! Its illogical to think that nature is a creation but it's logical to think that nature is eternal! It has always existed...What one man calls laws of physics Another calls God No Science Don't And has never claim to know Real Science started 500years ago! with time scientist will understand more about our "physical" universe The Universe Can not Be created Its Made up of Matter & Energy!! I don't wanna start stating basic laws here. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 2:07pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
EyeHateGod:Are you an Atheist? If Yes, what is your explanation for the questions you qouted? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by EyeHateGod: 2:11pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
seggzz:WHY U day rush things Na well @modified |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 2:51pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
EyeHateGod:I only asked if you are an atheist. How do i rush things? Well, maybe you are still planning to come up with a EyeHateGod:(1) What evidence can you give that the universe is external? Do you also agree that the earth existed in infinite time? i learned that science has already proven that the earth is not eternal by giving the likely date of creation and evaporation. You would also agree with me that some stars in the universe is not eternal by science evidence. (2)As you can see in my writing, i am not a religious person.We have the painting but to dismiss that there is no painter is illogical. Science does not create the laws. It only observe what has been created and give reasonable explanation to it. If you know how science works you would agree with me that science don't create the laws, they only postulate in relation to their observations. (3). Atheist concluded that there is no creator(GOD). Since you agree with me that science has no permanent answers to the present questions of man ,why conclude that The Creator doesn't exist? What if tomorrow science comes up with a proof that God exists? I think if Christians belief is dogmatic so is Atheists belief. I am of opinion that waiting is the best for us to do than just concluding there is no creator. I cannot imagine my TV set having no creator. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by EyeHateGod: 3:05pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
seggzz:Where are U guys Getting all this misconceptions From? Who said The Universe has a Cause? Who said the Big Bang Was? Cause I know that's where Ur brain is going to. The Big Bang is not the cause the Big bang itself is the universe expanding the date gotten of this expansion is said to be 13.7billion years No one knows what happened during singularity no one knows what happened B4 that! In that Energy is being converted from one form to the other. Yes science observe the "Physical" universe And Try to create Law on what they have Observed. Did U not See where I wrote the universe can't be created? In that it's made up of matter & energy? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 3:59pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
EyeHateGod:Reply1: You mean that the universe last forever and don't ending and beginning-eternal? This is a contradiction to the dating age of the earth which is billion years. Who mention Big bang theory as the proof to my assertion? I am waiting for evidence for choosing the nature to be eternal! You lacked evidence to prove what you have chosen to be eternal? Can you show me science journals that prove that the universe is eternal? For your information Big Bang Theory is not universally accepted by scientists in the world. Some scientists said it is fake and cannot be rely upon that universe is created from nothing. I doubt if you know much about big bang theory. Can you create you create your TV set out of nothing?(LOL) Reply2: I am sure you agreed with me that science doesn't create those laws. Since you now agree with that science doesn't create those laws and that they only postulate what they observe, is it logical to dismissed the creator that create the natural laws of the universe. You would also agree with me there some natural laws that scientist is yet to observe. Is science your authority to claim that The Creator does not exist? Reply3: Matter and Energy are part of nature. Are you saying Matter and Energy has no creator? What evidence do you have if you choose this claim? You just said that the universe cannot be created by agreeing to your statement that the universe is eternal( which is both logical contradictions and no evidence). I don't believe in any any organized religious gods but to just conclude that there is no creator for a creation is illogical and lack any reasonable sense. It make no sense for saying that my TV as no creator! That is what you atheist are saying. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by EyeHateGod: 5:02pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
Am wasting my time replying U don't even know what big bang is talk less of what matter & energy means. Bye bye when U learn about those things U can come bk and ask reasonable Questions |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by raphieMontella: 5:04pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
I'll start by clearing myself...im an agnostic atheist... seggzz:Time may not have started with our universe....The quantum multiverse theory is a theory which if proven completely..proves the universe needed no creator.... And our universe may have an end.. the stars are in the universe..nobody said earth is eternal oga.. Earth is a planet that formed like one of the many other planets it depends... In Quantum mechanics...quantum particles pop into existence and out without a creator...so its not necessarily a creator must have been no one said scientists just form laws and it becomes generally accepted as fact...what u saying bro? the first mistake u can ever make is concluding that there is and must be just one God... U believe a painting without a painter is illogical.. A huge enormous painting with different concepts in that painting(the painted stuff) may require more than one painter...each with his own painting ideas..and they combine to create a perfect potrait.. i largely doubt... When quantum physics is finally properly understood...and a quantum theory of gravity is found..god will be hanging on a thread.. absolute atheism is gnostic atheism...not necessarily general atheism.. was it only a singular person that created your tv set? 1 Like |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 7:39pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
raphieMontella:I am going to reply you in what i called 'Reply1 to 5' Reply1: quantum multiverse theory is a guess and so it did not have any base to be accepted as evidence. As you have said it has not been proven completely. You shouldn't bring it into limelight at first. It is not even an evidence that a creator doesn't exist anyway. You have just succeeded in bringing rubbish evidence that doesn't have a proof. Reply2:A guy with monicker EyeHateGod quoted me saying the nature is eternal.And now you are contradicting the guy that the earth is not eternal.I asked a question that is nature a creation, eternal to nature, or an accident within nature? You and the guy has forgotten humans is part of nature.Maybe you or the guy doesn't know what it means for nature to be eternal. Reply3: I said I cannot have a TV without a creator and you said it all depends. How does it depend? Does scientists found that quantum particles have no creator? I would like to know the evidence for having this. You could link me science journals or others where science has proven quantum particles has no creator. I would be waiting for this proof. Reply4: You said what do i mean in one of your statements. I mean scientists most important weapon is OBSERVATION. Scientists do not create what they observed. For example Isaac Newton law of gravity was through observation. Newton never created gravity but gave a name to the force. Does it mean gravity was not there before his observation? The answer is NO. I said in the post that science is still in its infancy stage and cannot be totally rely upon to generate our rationale. Science has some limitations and their findings is not dogmatic. A fact today maybe false tomorrow as science begin to advance. Reply5: Can you read my posts again? I said it illogical to have painting without a painter. I think you agreed you agreed with me? It is still illogical to conclude that there is no paint since there exist a painter, Yes or No? LASTLY, do you think a creation(nature) can exist without a creator? For you to say you are agnostic atheist, what evidence can you show scientifically that is behind your rationale(belief). For me, my evidence is nature and the organized arrangements of the universe. You are not even a original atheist. Atheists called you people babies that are sulking breasts milk. Again, what is the evidence behind your belief. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by ValentineMary(m): 8:54pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
Hahahaha OP funny die. If I was to put up a thread to show weakness of theism, no theist go get mouth even comment. This is disappointing. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 9:24pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
ValentineMary:I am very sure you saw their posts. They couldn't give a valid and logical answers to my questions. One said creation said it is eternal and the other disagreeTo be sincere, do you think you have answers to my posts? If Yes, put it into writing. I doubt if you have any. I don't believe in any organized religious gods, so you can kindly post any questions that bothers your mind. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 9:26pm On Aug 28, 2016 |
ValentineMary:I am very sure you saw their posts. They couldn't give a valid and logical answers to my questions. They couldn't answer the questions rather they deviated. One said creation is eternal and the other disagree. To be sincere, do you think you have answers to my posts? If Yes, put it into writing. I doubt if you have any. I don't believe in any organized religious gods, so you can kindly post any questions that bothers your mind. Make sure you don't ask me any religious and dogmatic questions. Starting from the last questions: Can you prove with evidence there is no creator? Please don't give big bang theory because it is not enough proof for non existence of the creator. And many scientists disagree on it. What for your evidence? At least we can start from this question. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by ValentineMary(m): 8:47am On Aug 29, 2016 |
seggzz:Sorry to disappoint u, I can't prove there is no creator the same way I can't prove that spongbob does not live beneth the Pacific ocean. U made the claim that God exist, then the burden lies on u to prove. How can I disprovr what u have not proved  it's like mr walking up to you on a good Monday morning and saying dude I believe trees talk at night at my friends place in Iraq, prove me wrong. Would it make sense |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by raphieMontella: 3:21pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
seggzz:.lol..its not a guess...particles exists in all states until they are measured..u,,the universe and i are made of particles...corelate. it has not been proven to my satisfaction..thats why i said so.. relax...let an equation for quantum gravity be made..u will understand what i am saying... lol..a simple question..is nature a system? read up quantum fluctuations and HUP who said newton created gravity? Keep on confusing yourself ni.. oh..u wish to rely on gods as causes of thunder and lightning? Goodluck to you then.. science can only be limited when we know everything... but u choose to be dogmatic it is not illogical.. yes...sure
..u lost me heredoesnt prove creation.. i said...i am an agnostic atheist..i cannot conclude on what i do not know..i cannot tell u what i do not know.. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by raphieMontella: 3:23pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
ValentineMary:he said he is sure of god...oya prove god..he will nott be able to |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by agwom(m): 3:24pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
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| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 7:36pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
ValentineMary:It is glaring here that you are deviating and not being honest with the question i asked in my first post. As you said you can't prove there is no creator and you concluded that there is no creator. Is it really sensible not to have evidence for your belief. I have debated against Christians, Muslims and other dogmatics belief like yours(Atheism). If you vividly read my first post you would agree with me that i said atheists like to shift the burden of proof from themselves to their debating opponents; in short, the believer in God must prove God, but the atheist will not defend his position that the universe is either eternal or accidental. Is this really honest? They Knew they can't prove their belief and they result to shifting the burden of proof to their debaters. Just as i said this is one of their weakness. Atheists accused Christians or other religion of believing in a lie so are atheists who lacked evidence in what they believe rather dodge questions by putting burden on proof on others.The burden of proof does not lie on the open mind, but on the closed dogmatic mind which assumes that we already know all there is to know. I have you heard Muslims saying Quran is sent by GOD? I am sure you would say it is not true because they lacked evidence to proof it. So is Atheism that lack evidence. OK let us start in this way, before giving you the proof that the creator existed you have to respond to the following questions before i continue with my proof. (1).My evidence is the creation(nature). So what is your evidence? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 7:51pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
agwom:What has this post got to do with the question on ground. You decided to deviated on the debate on ground and rush to present an irrelevant post. You should have come out with better points than this. Read my first post and provide the needed gap or answers that needed to be filled. Atheism is dogmatic and has followers who are either purposefully or ignorantly follow its belief. You shouldn't base your belief of my friend say or i want join the caucus. Don't make any rubbish posts like this again! |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 8:42pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella:please, who can see what i am seeing. Is the two bolded statements the same? You sound so important as if you gave them money to prove for you. The two bolded statements is already a confirmed contradictions in logic. How does lightning or thunder has to do with the questions you refused to answer.Clearly tell me you don't know just as the other guy and stop bragging of being atheist without proof. According to webster dictionary a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned(PROOF) or doubted is a dogma. Since you lack any evidence of proof, your atheism is dogmatic. My believe is not dogmatic because i have the evidence of proof. I have this opinion that we don't have ALL the information we need to understand the paint and what the canvass is composed of, the relationship of the individual paints, and the brushstrokes. Now we can't define the painter because we don't even have enough information of the painting and the rest. And do we conclude there is no painter when we have the painting? It is big NO because we can still wait. It is both dogmatic and irrational for us to just conclude there is no painter since we have the painting without evidence. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by ValentineMary(m): 8:48pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
seggzz:I hope u know the bold text makes no sense u are asking me to prove a figure u made up. Oya clap for urself.If the number one is ur evidence, then u have zero evidence. Must the world be created what if it was what makes u sure a God did it why can't it be by a spontaneous reaction? since we have seen something come out of nothing in quantum mechanics, and the classical world (large world) is made up of the small can't also these small particles accumulate over time to what we have today?Even if we don't know in details how the universe came about, putting an imaginary character to fill ur ignorance is not plaudable. We don't know simply means we don't know it does not mean God did it. Let us assume u were born in 1567 and I asked u how we get hurricane, u would quickly say "The Gods are angry". Using a made up character to fill ur ignorance is intellectual sloth. And if u claim God made the universe, who made God? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 9:30pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
ValentineMary: I have no final answer for the real definition of GOD now because we have begin to see there are a lot of things scientists has no explanation for even if they existed. Science stage of findings is still in elementary and we can see some sort of bias in some of its theories and laws. So why make hasty generalization of no god? As i said before, i mean knowledge and reason need to grow to first understand the nature(creation) before we dismiss any creator. To defined this is what god is bias and lack reasons but does not mean we cannot wait to study the creation. It is only Atheists who cannot wait and conclude there is no creator. I am being honest now that i don't have enough information to define the concept of God. The only thing i always disagree with atheist is that God doesn't exist. I am a deist and we don't share any ideologies with Christians except the creator they are dogmatic about. Most of our ideologies are same with atheist except their dogma belief in non existence of god. In the first place i asked three questions in my first post and yet no answer. Then you expect me to throw more light on yours, ehn? We don't claim to have answers to all things. We are also scientists who spend our time making findings on nature but atheists claim to know and so they conclude there is no god. Do you want to dismiss there is no creation? If there is creation it makes sense to still accept for now there is a creator than your conclusion. It is really childish and illogical to asked me to prove who create god and yet you can't prove the nature is accidental or eternal within nature. I think nature is not made up by anybody, so is nature a creation, eternal within nature or accidental? if you claim nature is not a creation. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by raphieMontella: 5:37am On Aug 30, 2016 |
seggzz:u seem not to understand.. U cannot disprove the quantum multiverse through science.. i may not be important... Bt as u can see..it is my belief..so? i cant see any contradictions..i said in both places..it aint finished so it was our ignorance then...likewise now....corelate see me see wahala? You are the proposer of god.. Prove him?? is atheism a group? Whats this guy saying sef?
u have no proof of god... If u do..spill it..not these long rigmaroles |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 11:38am On Aug 30, 2016 |
seggzz: raphieMontella:What is this guying saying? what is a group? Don't you know atheist is a group under atheism belief? You are only deviating from the thread. I posted three questions with explanation under them. I doubt if you read them with understanding because you won't just be deviating and be claiming you are passing any message. Do you know Professor Anthony Flew? He was arguably the most influential and most influential philosophical atheist. He converted to deist saying atheists are not honest with their beliefs. I am sure you would find out more about him. You lacked arguments ingredients and so do deviate. Let me give prove that saying god exist is reasonable than atheists saying "God does not exist or there is no god". I would prove god in the following statements: (1). There is a nature(creation) (2). The nature is an intelligent design (3). God is an intelligent designer Your DNA is one of this design. Oya prove me wrong if you can. Please don't run away or deviate as you normally do. I also said we have little information to fully conclude that there is no god. And to just conclude there is no god is the same as dogmatism. You could prove me wrong in the above statements if you can(lol) |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by oaroloye(m): 1:54pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
SHALOM! seggzz: The great Stumbling Block to Atheism was that no one could come up with an explanation of LIFE. Therefore, when CHARLES DARWIN came out with his Theory of Evolution, Atheists pounced on it, like a Rivers State Ferry Disaster Victim, who cannot swim (YEAH- AND WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? WHY WON'T PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO SWIM BEFORE GETTING ON A FERRY? DON'T PEOPLE KNOW THEY CAN TAKE OFF THEIR TROUSERS, TIE THE LEGS, DO UP THE ZIP AND WAISTBAND, AND TRAP AIR INSIDE TO SUPPORT THEM INDEFINITELY?) pounce on a floating Coke Can! (Coke Cans are very versatile! APOLLO used them to fly to the MOON!) When you read the FULL TITLE of Darwin's ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES book, you see how STUPID African Atheists are. RICHARD DAWKINS, the Poster Boy for Atheism, has alerted us that Atheists are now going to say that Life came from Outer Space Aliens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgWl4OqAH6I (2)Do science have permanent explanations/evidences for ALL things? THERE IS THE REAL SCIENCE, WHICH IS KNOWN ONLY TO THE CHOSEN FEW OF THE INNER CIRCLES AND UPPER HIERARCHIES- and there is what they will tell you in SCHOOL- otherwise known as "POOP." They know all about GOD and the Paths leading to Him, and the Paths that don't. Therefore, they are able to instruct their stooges which arguments to pursue, and which to ignore. There was still some of its theories there are were modified and liable to change in future if there are available accurate evidence and explanations. So why would Atheists leaned on a discipline which has its own limitations.I am sure you would agree with me that science has its own limitation.If you disagree with me then the first phase of evidence is your Chemistry texts. Check same theory postulated by different scientists and come out to tell me your findings. So what come of Atheists if science provide evidence and explanation the existence of a creator? OYINBO ACADEMIA want it known that their Theories are the best explanation for anything, and that nobody can know better than them.
NEVER FORGET that what you are talking about is "ORGANIZED ATHEISM:" and not people who naturally disbelieve in God, but are looking for Knowledge. These are wicked people, who have been coached in what to say, and how to prevent Theists from winning arguments. We are still in the process of understanding the painting, so trying to define the painter is doomed to failure; the believer must recognize this tactic and avoid it. SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! If you are a Hypocrite, you will go to HELL, pleading with Yahshua: "But Lord, Lord! I believe in you! I have debated ATHEISTS for you!" . MATTHEW 7:21-29. 21. "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into The Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven. 22. "Many will say to me in That Day, 'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?' 23. "And then will I profess unto them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.' 24. "Therefore whosoever heareth these Sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a Wise Man, which built his House upon a Rock: 25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that House; and it Fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock. 26. "And every one that heareth these Sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a Foolish Man, which built his house upon the Sand: 27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that House; and it Fell: and Great was The Fall of it." 28. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these Sayings, the People were astonished at his Doctrine: 29. For he Taught them as One having Authority, and not as the scribes. Deists should feel free to openly state that there is absolutely no evidence against a Creator being, or a Creation, and that all skeptics have to offer is scientific speculation on very limited data. Deists believe there is something more; that is not unreasonable, it is very much human and rational. That "more" is God. Deists are willing to wait for the answer and are keeping an open mind on the matter; it is the atheists, who fear waiting. Simply put there is no evidence against God, nor is there evidence against a Creation [design]. The burden of proof does not lie on the open mind, but on the closed dogmatic mind which assumes that we already know all there is to know. TRUE CHRISTIANS do not shoot blindly in the dark, but have a specific procedure for revealing God- namely, THE GOSPEL. YAHSHUA sends his Disciples into all the World, to confront people who never ever heard of God, and answer people who say things they don't like by putting holes in their bodies. That is to say, the bodies of the people who are saying things they do not like. What sort of God would YAHWEH be, if He sent Messengers who could not PROVE that HE sent them- and therefore, that HE Exists? (1) THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN REVEAL YAHWEH GOD IS YAHSHUA. . MATTHEW 11:25-30. 25. "At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and Earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26. "Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in Thy Sight. 27. "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but The Father; neither knoweth any man The Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him." 28. "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29. "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." THIS DOCTRINE IS SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD- BY NECESSITY. If it were complicated and convoluted, simpletons would murder Yahshua's Disciples for trying to con them. (2) IT IS NECESSARY TO KNOW YAHSHUA IN ORDER TO KNOW YAHWEH GOD. . JOHN 8:30-32. 30. As he spake these Words, many believed on him. 31. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, "If ye continue in my Word, then are ye my Disciples indeed; 32. "And ye shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall make you Free." WITHOUT PHYSICALLY-IMPLEMENTING THE WORD OF GOD, OUR MINDS WILL NEVER ACQUIRE THE NECESSARY BUILDING-BLOCKS OF THOUGHT NEEDED TO KNOW GOD, AND UNDERSTAND GOD. . AMOS 3:3. 3. "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" . JOHN 14:21-27. 21. "He that hath my Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." 22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, "Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the World?" 23. Jesus answered and said unto him, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24. "He that loveth me not keepeth not my Sayings: and the Word which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's which sent me. 25. "These things have I spoken unto you, being (yet) present with you. 26. "But The Comforter, (which is) The Holy Ghost, Whom The Father will send in my Name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27. "Peace I leave with you, my Peace I give unto you: not as the World giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." THE ATHEIST WHO WANTS TO KNOW GOD MUST LEARN YAHSHUA'S TEACHINGS, AND IMPLEMENT THEM. A REAL Christian would know this, and say this. When a person obeys Yahshua's Teachings correctly, they attain HOLINESS, and begin to develop the ability to perceive God and to enter His Realm. . THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25:1-46.) 1. TOTAL RECALL. 2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION. 3. TELEKINESIS. 4. TELEPORTATION. 5. TRANSLATION. 6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE. The sincere Seeker of Truth will be interested. The Atheist Shill will not be interested, but will rather strew stumblingblocks in the path, and beat about the bush. People who knew God in ancient Times were not ordinary men and women as Sinners are used to, and are, but by living appropriately, were able to interact with God safely, and rationally. 1 Like
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| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 3:24pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
[quote author=oaroloye post=48926570]SHALOM! The great Stumbling Block to Atheism was that no one could come up with an explanation of LIFE.The truth is that most atheist can't say the reason for their atheism. They don't have evidence for their belief and they rely on science that is plague with its own problems and limitations. Their belief is also dogmatic as Christians. There is something scientists called the dark matter in the galaxy. Science don't have explanation on specific general properties of it. They couldn't know how to explain to people that it exists. THERE IS THE REAL SCIENCE, WHICH IS KNOWN ONLY TO THE CHOSEN FEW OF THE INNER CIRCLES AND UPPER HIERARCHIES- and there is what they will tell you in SCHOOL- otherwise known as "POOP."What is this real science that is above the study of nature or creation? When ever i speak of nature some only thinks of planets and so. Nature comprises of all non man made things which include You(human and other living things), planets, galaxy(s) and many more... OYINBO ACADEMIA want it known that their Theories are the best explanation for anything, and that nobody can know better than them.Don't just blame the whites also blame the blacks because they contribute more to their problem than them. A stranger can't know your family better than yourself. Christianity and Islam for example is more prominent in Africa than the native countries. Most Africans now take Quran and Bible as the words of good. They are yet to learn a lesson from the first slave in Africa. They forget that scripture is meant to take us as slaves. The scriptures make us see our blood sisters and brothers as enemies. You are still blinded by this human made books! SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!So you are defending your own bible god? There are proofs that bible is not the words of god. Your bible is full with contradictions, terrors, slavery, repettions, immoral teachings and the likes. Don't just bring that man made book forward. Can you prove that your bible is the word of god? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by Weah96: 3:26pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
Defining God is easy. Just call yourself Christian or Muslim and you will have defined your god. Take your painting analogy. We behold a portrait and correctly assume that it was painted. First, only humans or animals can paint. So we already come with a preconceived notion that a human or animal painted all paintings on earth. However, when it comes to the universe, we have NEVER witnessed one being made before. Humans no fit create am, neither can a monkey or chicken. All we can say is that it looks complex and detailed oriented therefore a universe maker did it. Deists choose to stop there and are content with that knowledge. .Christians and Muslims don't stop there. They claim that some thousands of years ago, the universe maker spoke to someone and confirmed its identity. It then gave them instructions. Some Christians hilariously believe that the thing speaks today, defeating the whole point of writing the bible. If your god speaks today, then why did it transcribe the bible? Is there a plan to add something else? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 4:04pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
Defining God is easy. Just call yourself Christian or Muslim and you will have defined your god.I don't belong to any organized religion and so I'm neither Christian nor a Muslim. I am a kind of deist.I said that to define god now is hasty generalization and is illogical. I cannot say for now this the definition of god.I said from my post that we need to have enough information for the painting(the creation) before we can understand the painter( the creator). Take your painting analogy. We behold a portrait and correctly assume that it was painted. First, only humans or animals can paint. So we already come with a preconceived notion that a human or animal painted all paintings on earth. However, when it comes to the universe, we have NEVER witnessed one being made before. Humans no fit create am, neither can a monkey or chicken. I am really glad for that bolded statements. You know that there is painting and you saw the painting and the brushes and the rest but couldn't see the painter. Is it reasonable to conclude there is no painter whereas you saw the painting? Maybe you were blinded by religious doctrine waiting to see one created being(lol). What has one being created got do with atheist conclusion of no god? All we can say is that it looks complex and detailed oriented therefore a universe maker did it. Deists choose to stop there and are content with that knowledge.There different types of deist. What most deist claim in the world is that they don't belong to any organized religion. They also reason to believe that there should be a creator since we have the creation. We don't have a universal definition for god. We need to study the painting before we can understand the creator. We have just the tip knowledge of the painting now. We don't even know the painting styles, brushes properties and the rest about the painting not to say of the painter. We are just in the infant stage. Science knows that their study too is in infancy stage. We need to wait or do you fear waiting? Atheist do fear waiting and so they conclude there is no god without proofs. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by Weah96: 5:45pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
seggzz: Listen bro, there are people who claim that the unknown causer spoke to bronze age humans and gave them books. What is there to wait on? Those bold faced liars have already played their hand. People like you need to understand the argument so that you can save time in the future. Militant atheism is your opponent, not atheism in general. Militant atheism uses the knowledge of the truth for ulterior purposes. Atheists simply know the truth or can rationalize it (like you). By the way, I consider myself a militant atheist. My goal is to expose the truth and undermine those Nigerian institutions that profit from telling lies. I already know the truth, and could simply mind my own business. After all, there's no monetary reward for exposing the truth in a population who all believe that a nudist emperor is wearing Versace suits. You don't know who really believes it and who doesn't. But it's certainly worth a try. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 6:24pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
What is there to wait on?We can clearly see from this your question that atheists claim to know what is all to know about. You can't prove if creation is eternal within nature or accidental. You can't prove your belief. Any body who can't wait simply means he/she knows it all. You even lack the knowlege regarding your environment and its enormous benefits and yet comes out saying, what is there to wait for. If you agreed that you need to wait, why conclude there is no good. It is only somebody who has all evidences that can say there is no god. I doubt anyone of you(Militant Atheist) has any complete evidence to disapprove god. Militant atheism is your opponent, not atheism in general.My opponent is any group or system who concludes or generalized there is no god or god doesn't exist is my opponent. I was once an atheist but i discovered most atheists are not honest. My goal is to expose the truth and undermine those Nigerian institutions that profit from telling lies. I already know the truth, and could simply mind my own business. After all, there's no monetary reward for exposing the truth in a population that believes a nudist emperor is wearing Versace suits. You don't know who really believes it and who doesn't. But it's certainly worth a try.I hailed you for this bolded statements. It's also my goal to do so in this our corrupt world. This world is plague with some lies and evil doctrines like the bible and other religious scriptures. The Scriptures are mind control mechanisms and should put away. My intelligent people in Nigeria looks silly with religion. Is it not stupid for a pastor to ask his members the whole salary to sow a seed? I want to be involved in the liberation of Nigeria or even the world from religious slavery and bondage. But my honest question is why do you think there is no god or god doesn't exit? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by Weah96: 6:57pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
seggzz: Only someone who doesn't understand the argument will keep asking that question. God doesn't have one single connotation. There are different ideas which all claim that moniker. I myself think that subatomic particles are the source, and so I call subatomic particles God. When atheists say that God doesn't exist, they appeal to the holy book connotation of the God idea. How come you don't know this? You cannot dismiss something without first knowing what you're dismissing. God means one idea in popular culture, bearded man in the sky, talks through prophets, bla bla bla. You don't even know the identity of your own amorphous God, and yet you accuse atheists of denying it. How can atheists deny something that has no identification or is amorphous? So your question is unsound. God can mean anything when the speaker is not an adherent of organized religions. In other words, I don't know what you call God so I cannot deny or affirm it's existence. We only know one type of talking god. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(m): 7:36pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
[quote author=Weah96 post=48933995] When atheists say that God doesn't exist, they appeal to the holy book connotation of the God idea. How come you don't know this?We deists too do claim there is no Christian god. And it is only idea of man to create gods using their scriptures. The point here is that there is being that create life, universe and nature generally. Atheist do claim it is came from nothing.We cannot have a creation and dismiss the creator, it is not sound. You cannot dismiss something without first knowing what you're dismissing. God means one idea in popular culture, bearded man in the sky, talks through prophets, bla bla bla.Is it also okay to say nature is accidental or eternal within nature? Deist believed even we can't see the creator physically but we can see the creation and that it isn't reasonable to dismiss the creator. Most time we don't use the term 'god' because of the definitions and history attached to it. You don't even know the identity of your own amorphous God, and yet you accuse atheists of denying it. How can atheists deny something that has no identification or is amorphous?Is this enough to say the creator doesn't exist because you can't see or identify the creator? I think the answer is big NO because we can see the creation even though we can't see the creator. Just as i said in this thread using an analogy that since we have the painting, it is illogical and unreasonable to say there is no painter. And that it is reasonable to accept there is a painter since we can see the painting. This my stand! Don't use the word 'god' for me. Use the word 'The creator' instead |
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