solite3:
the rich man died and went to a rubbish heap

Jozzy4:


going by your silly idea , people like Apostle Paul are wicked since they don't enjoy and are not rich in this system of things .


hahahaha haha , so you put inherit in bracket and replace it with ENJOY ! you are not sincere this fellow, I always tell you


psalm 37:9-11 says they will INHERIT the earth and live forever on it not enjoy for a short life span.

Jozzy4:



you don't want to take Abraham bosom literally now you are using it to symbolize a place but the rest of the story as literal ? this fellow, your hypocrisy stinks

solite3:
Abraham blossom is a place. How literal do you want it to be again

solite3:
which earth will the righteous live forever? Do you know that this earth will pass away? Your logic is silly

Jozzy4:


blossom , A disciple rest on Jesus bossom . its a place located in space ? or his chest position.

use your head na

JMAN05:


Another lie. You told you that the witnesses see Russell as their leader. If he led a coup against Gods word, why don't you respond to my clear exposure of ur lies above. Because you love lies, you will die in it if u don't repent now there is time. Flee from false religion. I was there before, your life is wasting away. Rev 18:4

solite3:
false witness does not know that blossom was as a result of autodictionary correction in my phone. it is bosom not bosom
Taking words out of context has been your trade mark. Here is the passage
If you say? This passage is not real then Abraham himself is not real. Look at you useless logic?

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom : the rich man also died, and was buried;
16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

oneolajire:



Guy, have you realised that you don't know the history oof the wasteful organisation you joined? Go to the website of the organisation and tell me whom the first leader was?
Charles Taze, a man that was born in 1852 and referred to as "pastor" . He was so famous such that most American knew his teachings, publications and false predictions. Take your time to read about the FRAUD called Charles Taze . Begin your study of Charles Taze on wikipedia, then move to ecarta encyclopedia and other. You"ll tank Jesus for making you to know you've been on the wrong track before.

Your mum wanted to make you know Jesus, unfortunately she planted the fear of the devil and his works in you. You chose to see the fear and discard the gospel. I feel what you went through all those years, I was in your shoes, I was made to know that devil is reponsible for everything. I found Jesus, I threw the theorem away, I tell Christians, the devil isnot their problem, their issiue is that they need to cknow that the devil is a defeated foe. I don't waste my time praying die, die aand die pprayers.

I found in Ephesians 2:6 that "I" have been raised together wwith Christ Jesus. Now "I" am far (Ephesian 1:20-22) above principalities and powers. I know that off hand, so I havve never feared the devil and his cohorts cos I have full dominion over them through Jesus. Some do not know this and that is why they live in fear.
Your mum might have made some mistakes as well as your church leaders , but that doesn't mean they are totally wrong.

Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. I say repent

Jozzy4:


that is why I asked you: Abel died and went to the bosom of a man, Abraham whom is not yet born ?

Jozzy4:



This liar again, kindly show me where Rusell ever claimed to be the leader of Jehovah's witnesses ?

oneolajire:


https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

Face the truth, who is the liar? I am of my everlasting father Jesus, who taught me the truth. Unfortunately for you guys, you gulllibly followed those who deceived you . Taze was a prominent man whose sermons and publications were stored for you to visit.

Accept Jesus today. Flee false religion, flee hell fire.

When you are ready to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, call on me

oneolajire:


https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

Face the truth, who is the liar? I am of my everlasting father Jesus, who taught me the truth. Unfortunately for you guys, you gulllibly followed those who deceived you . Taze was a prominent man whose sermons and publications were stored for you to visit.

Accept Jesus today. Flee false religion, flee hell fire.

When you are ready to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, call on me

solite3:
is the story talking about Abel
Why don't you say that since we say God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, it means God didn't exist during Abel's time?

solutionsnow:

OP thank you God bless you. You have silenced the liars.

Jozzy4:


what is this one saying ?

IF Abraham bosom is a place righteous people go when they die , is Abel not righteous ? oya Abel died and go to the bosom of a man, Abraham that's not yet born ?

solite3:
You are not making sense.
Did Jesus mention Abel? So you don't know that Jesus was using Abraham as a representative of All the righteous people who has died?
When the bible called children of Abraham as those who inherits the promise of Abraham, you don't know it includes Abel and Noah?

solite3:
You are not making sense.
Did Jesus mention Abel? So you don't know that Jesus was using Abraham as a representative of All the righteous people who has died?
When the bible called children of Abraham as those who inherits the promise of Abraham, you don't know it includes Abel and Noah?

Jozzy4:


which lie ? mtcheew

solutionsnow:


Haaaaa, those who taught you false doctrines says Taze Charles was their LEADER, you are trying to deny it, then you are TOTALLY CONFUSED.

You are gradually facing the reality of the futility of your fake and mutilated doctrine. The light of Jesus will shine on you and deliver you the way Saul (who turned Paul) was delivered and discovered he had been working against God's way.

Repentance is what you need. Salvation is what is recommended for you.
Accept Jesus as your Lord Saviour

Jozzy4:


if the light of Jesus is in you .. you won't be telling lies , show me where Russell claim to be the Founder of Jehovah's Witnesses ?

Barristter07:

solite3



Good evening , in what sense was Jesus using Abraham as Representative ?

representative/rɛprɪˈzɛntətɪv/
adjective
1. typical of a class, group, or body of opinion.
2. (of a legislative assembly or deliberative body) consisting of people chosen to act and speak on behalf of wider group.
3. [size=28] serving as a portrayal or symbol of something. [/size]
4. relating to mental representation.
noun
1. a person chosen or appointed to act or speak for another or others, in particular:
2. an example of a class or group.




aren't you rendering the story symbolic ?

crap! emphasis on bosom of Abraham , .. if you believe this story is literal, you must be ready to accept that all righteous ones go into the bosom of this man, Abraham.

and you replied but changed Abraham bosom to not a literal chest position but a symbol of a. place where people go RATHER than the literal meaning of bosom . ( to expose you further I gave an example of a disciple resting on Christ bosom . which you and I know is simply his chest position . , so why change the meaning of bosom when It comes to Abraham ? hypocrite ! accept it literally and deal with the ambiguity that follows regarding how Abel could go to the chest position of a man whom has not even exist when he died

solite3:
thank God for this dictionary definition of the word representative to aid your understanding.
No 2 definition is the closest

Jozzy4:


you are not sincere . its not 15th century , na 87 century

see your life outside!

a disciple rest on Jesus bosom . you understand , so why change the meaning of bosom when it comes to Abraham ? its hypocrisy and insincerity.

going by your definition , the area enclosed as by an embrace. in this picture a mother embrace her son, the area enclosed when both embrace each other is their. bosom . the chest!

so how could Abel a righteous man die and went to the chest of a man, Abraham whom is not yet born ?

Jozzy4:


see lie

the question remains : to whose bosom did Abel the righteous man go ?

solite3:
you false witness loves to lie and deceive their self,
I only post that definition to correct a defect in your thinking.
Hypocrisy would push you to do anything.
Jozzy here are a few verses where the word ' bosom' was used.

Most times that bosom was used it means to be with someone or in their care.

Genesis 16:5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.

Deuteronomy 28:54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, [/b]and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:

Deuteronomy 28:56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for Deuteronomy 28:56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward th[b]e husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,,

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and[b] thy master's wives into thy bosom, [/b]and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, [b]which is in the bosom of [/b]the Father, he hath declared him.