Just recently, there was an argument between a christian lady and a Muslim guy over superiority of religion. The Christian lady then threw a jab at the muslim brother saying "they are pedophiles" which got another muslim brother angry that he also joined in attacking the lady that she does not know nothing about the bible. That he has read the bible cover to cover and later asked the Christian Lady this question. "HOW OLD WAS MARY WHEN SHE WAS BETROTHED TO JOSEPH and WHEN SHE CONCEIVED?
I as a christian could not answer the question because having read my bible I didn't find what seemed to be the answer there. But after making further discoveries, what I found online shocked me . And I began to ask this question myself; why mary's age was not included in the bible? could this be the reason why Muslims marry underage . I know this is a sensitive topic but I know we have some theologians in nairaland that can shed more light on this. So I need your cognitive opinion on this.

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My dear, that is a very, very THOUGHTFUL question.........and I honestly, honestly from the deepest of my soul, commend you for your SINCERE curiousity.

For the way you have knitted your words together, so BEAUTIFUL an enquiry suggest a mind that went for an exploration in the vast oceans of research. Deep dived, descending gently until you picked up a SUBSTANCE at its bottom.

Upon coming out, gasping for air. You looked at what you discovered beneath the ocean beds. And you became so SHOCKED, what a STRANGE substance. Is this a shell, looks like a pebble, what is it?

You yearn to identify what you have discovered, IF IT WORTH KEEPING AS JEWEL IN YOUR TREASURE BOX.

My, dear. There is nothing more WORTHY than the TRUTH and being HONEST to ourself. To become honest at all times, TAKES A LOT OF PRACTICE.

So, your Question:

"HOW OLD WAS MARY WHEN SHE WAS BETHROTHED TO JOSEPH (the carpenter) AND WHEN SHE CONCEIVED?"

In as much as your enquiry is GENINUELY HONEST and not a HARANGUE 'to speak in loud angry way, often for a long time, in order to criticize someone or to persuade them that you are right while infact THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY WRONG but just being HARDENED HEARTED, an obdurate. The show i see here all the time'. I WILL BE MOST GLAD TO LEAD YOU TO WHERE THE JEWELS ARE BENEATH THE OCEANS, A TREASURE TO BE POSSESSED BY HEARTS THAT YEARN AFTER TRUTH.

Your question is but like a rabbit hole which once you enter it has so many other inner chambers, holes that leads on.

TRUTH IS THE ONLY WORTHWHILE TREASURE. IT NEVER PERISHES AND CONQUARES ALL ODDS. ITS THE ONLY LIGHT THAT CAN LEAD US THROUGH THE DARKNESS OF THIS HOLES AND NOT ALLOW US TO GET LOST IN THIS RABBIT HOLE. EXCEPT WE ARE HONEST, THEN ITS A WORTH WHILE ADVENTURE.

In a few sentences, when you comb through the chapters of the Bible of books written, about the life of Mary, Joseph and Jesus called the Holy Bible. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE THE AGE AT WHICH MARY'S AGE WAS WRITTEN AS TO WHEN SHE GOT BETHRODED TO JOSEPH THE CARPENTER OR THE AGE AT WHICH SHE CONCIEVED. This you already have told us that you know.

So, why was such an Information negellected is what has arose your curiousity.

WHAT I URGE YOU TO FIRST AND FOREMOST ASK YOURSELF IS:
How was the information in the Holy Bible Documented. Who wrote them and what is the legitimacy to it's AUTHENTICITY so that we can infact believe that there EVER EVEN EXISTED A JOSEPH who was bethrothed to Mary.

I will do JUSTICE to your enquiry my dear. But it has to be SYSTEMATIC, since you already stated in your own terms that "YOU NEED A COGNITIVE OPINION".

If otherwise, one will only drown in the seas of CONJECTURE instead of coming out with treasures called CERTAINTY, CONFIRMATION, CONVICTION. That jewel that you yearn for called TRUTH, worthy to be possessed.

Keep your fingers cross for now, while I put on my swiming suit. Its time to go to the depths of the seas of COGNITIVE OPINION BUT IN ABSOLUTE PRECISION, DEVOID OF DOGMA.

WORDWORLD:
My dear, that is a very, very THOUGHTFUL question.........and I honestly, honestly from the deepest of my soul, commend you for your SINCERE curiousity.
For the way you have knitted your words together, so BEAUTIFUL an enquiry suggest a mind that went for an exploration in the vast oceans of research. Deep dived, descending gently until you picked up a SUBSTANCE at its bottom.
Upon coming out, gasping for air. You looked at what you discovered beneath the ocean beds. And you became so SHOCKED, what a STRANGE substance. Is this a shell, looks like a pebble, what is it?
You yearn to identify what you have discovered, IF IT WORTH KEEPING AS JEWEL IN YOUR TREASURE BOX.
My, dear. There is nothing more WORTHY than the TRUTH and being HONEST to ourself. To become honest at all times, TAKES A LOT OF PRACTICE.
So, your Question:
"HOW OLD WAS MARY WHEN SHE WAS BETHROTHED TO JOSEPH (the carpenter) AND WHEN SHE CONCEIVED?"
In as much as your enquiry is GENINUELY HONEST and not a HARANGUE 'to speak in loud angry way, often for a long time, in order to criticize someone or to persuade them that you are right while infact THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY WRONG but just being HARDENED HEARTED, an obdurate. The show i see here all the time'. I WILL BE MOST GLAD TO LEAD YOU TO WHERE THE JEWELS ARE BENEATH THE OCEANS, A TREASURE TO BE POSSESSED BY HEARTS THAT YEARN AFTER TRUTH.
Your question is but like a rabbit hole which once you enter it has so many other inner chambers, holes that leads on.
TRUTH IS THE ONLY WORTHWHILE TREASURE. IT NEVER PERISHES AND CONQUARES ALL ODDS. ITS THE ONLY LIGHT THAT CAN LEAD US THROUGH THE DARKNESS OF THIS HOLES AND NOT ALLOW US TO GET LOST IN THIS RABBIT HOLE. EXCEPT WE ARE HONEST, THEN ITS A WORTH WHILE ADVENTURE.
In a few sentences, when you comb through the chapters of the Bible of books written, about the life of Mary, Joseph and Jesus called the Holy Bible. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE THE AGE AT WHICH MARY'S AGE WAS WRITTEN AS TO WHEN SHE GOT BETHRODED TO JOSEPH THE CARPENTER OR THE AGE AT WHICH SHE CONCIEVED. This you already have told us that you know.
So, why was such an Information negellected is what has arose your curiousity.
WHAT I URGE YOU TO FIRST AND FOREMOST ASK YOURSELF IS:
How was the information in the Holy Bible Documented. Who wrote them and what is the legitimacy to it's AUTHENTICITY so that we can infact believe that there EVER EVEN EXISTED A JOSEPH who was bethrothed to Mary.
I will do JUSTICE to your enquiry my dear. But it has to be SYSTEMATIC, since you already stated in your own terms that "YOU NEED A COGNITIVE OPINION".
If otherwise, one will only drown in the seas of CONJECTURE instead of coming out with treasures called CERTAINTY, CONFIRMATION, CONVICTION. That jewel that you yearn for called TRUTH, worthy to be possessed.
Keep you fingers cross for now, while I put on my swiming suit. Its time to go to the depths of the seas of COGNITIVE OPINION BUT IN ABSOLUTE PRECISION, DEVOID OF DOGMA.

So can it be said that the age was intentionally removed in order not to cause a conflict with the modern doctrines

op u are not a bible studying Christian that is if you are one at all . I doubt if u are even one . and don't quote me. nonsense thread

chubbyswit:
op u are not a bible studying Christian that is if you are one at all . I doubt if u are even one . and don't quote me. nonsense thread

Bro! Am not claiming to be knowledgeable else I wont be asking for your pastoral advise.
I would have loved to more if you will attack the question rather than me.

I will quote you so that you can answer the question instead of dodging it

chubbyswit:
op u are not a bible studying Christian that is if you are one at all . I doubt if u are even one . and don't quote me. nonsense thread

andersonbaba:






So can it be said that the age was intentionally removed in order not to cause a conflict with the modern doctrines

The age was never removed, the writers of the gospels did just not find it necessary to include her age in their writings but all evidences indicates she was a mature lady as at the time of her marriage. For instance as at that time she was old enough to travel unaccompanied to visit her cousin Elizabeth(who later gave birth to john the baptist). The bible referred to Elizabeth as her cousin and not her aunt and we know that as at that time Elizabeth had been married for several years without an issue. Now if mary's cousin had been married for several years and from all indications they were within the same age bracket, there was no way Mary would not have been an adult as at the time she conceived Jesus.

However muslims in trying to justify the paedophile and child molesting acts of their 'prophet' have been spreading this vicious speculative lie about the age of Mary when she conceived Jesus and married Joseph.

[quote author=annunaki2 post=49067724]

The age was never removed, the writers of the gospels did just not find it necessary to include her age in their writings but all evidences indicates she was a mature lady as at the time of her marriage. For instance as at that time she was old enough to travel unaccompanied to visit her cousin Elizabeth(who later gave birth to john the baptist). The bible referred to Elizabeth as her cousin and not her aunt and we know that as at that time Elizabeth had been married for several years without an issue. Now if mary's cousin had been married for several years and from all indications they were within the same age bracket, there was no way Mary would not have been an adult as at the time she conceived Jesus.

However muslims in trying to justify the paedophile and child molesting acts of their 'prophet' have been spreading this vicious speculative lie about the age of Mary when she conceived Jesus and married Joseph. [/quote

Sir, I love your powerful analysis. But have your tried reading some history books that shows the age at which the israelites and the people of those days get married?
Bros, in my research, I further discovered that they give their child up for marriage after their first menstruation.

annunaki2:


The age was never removed, the writers of the gospels did just not find it necessary to include her age in their writings but all evidences indicates she was a mature lady as at the time of her marriage. For instance as at that time she was old enough to travel unaccompanied to visit her cousin Elizabeth(who later gave birth to john the baptist). The bible referred to Elizabeth as her cousin and not her aunt and we know that as at that time Elizabeth had been married for several years without an issue. Now if mary's cousin had been married for several years and from all indications they were within the same age bracket, there was no way Mary would not have been an adult as at the time she conceived Jesus.

However muslims in trying to justify the paedophile and child molesting acts of their 'prophet' have been spreading this vicious speculative lie about the age of Mary when she conceived Jesus and married Joseph.

[quote author=andersonbaba post=49071615][/quote]



Sir, I love your powerful analysis. But have your tried reading some history books that shows the age at which the israelites and the people of those days get married?
Bros, in my research, I further discovered that they give their child up for marriage after their first menstruation.

WORDWORLD:
My dear, that is a very, very THOUGHTFUL question.........and I honestly, honestly from the deepest of my soul, commend you for your SINCERE curiousity.

For the way you have knitted your words together, so BEAUTIFUL an enquiry suggest a mind that went for an exploration in the vast oceans of research. Deep dived, descending gently until you picked up a SUBSTANCE at its bottom.

Upon coming out, gasping for air. You looked at what you discovered beneath the ocean beds. And you became so SHOCKED, what a STRANGE substance. Is this a shell, looks like a pebble, what is it?

You yearn to identify what you have discovered, IF IT WORTH KEEPING AS JEWEL IN YOUR TREASURE BOX.

My, dear. There is nothing more WORTHY than the TRUTH and being HONEST to ourself. To become honest at all times, TAKES A LOT OF PRACTICE.

So, your Question:

"HOW OLD WAS MARY WHEN SHE WAS BETHROTHED TO JOSEPH (the carpenter) AND WHEN SHE CONCEIVED?"

In as much as your enquiry is GENINUELY HONEST and not a HARANGUE 'to speak in loud angry...

A big bunch of irrelevancies wrapped in boredom! That is what you just did in your write-up.

Mary was 12 years old when she was bethrothed to Joseph

Notruthatall:
Mary was 12 years old when she was bethrothed to Joseph

This is highly speculative, there is no documented evidence for this.

andersonbaba:
Just recently, there was an argument between a christian lady and a Muslim guy over superiority of religion. The Christian lady then threw a jab at the muslim brother saying "they are pedophiles" which got another muslim brother angry that he also joined in attacking the lady that she doesn't know nothing about the bible. That he has read the bible cover to cover and later asked the Christian Lady this question. "HOW OLD WAS MARY WHEN SHE WAS BETROTHED TO JOSEPH and WHEN SHE CONCEIVED?
I as a christian could not answer the question because having read my bible I didn't find what seemed to be the answer there. But after making further discoveries, what I found online shocked me . And I began to ask this question myself; why mary's age was not included in the bible? could this be the reason why Muslims marry underage. I know this is a sensitive topic but I know we have some theologians in nairaland that can shed more light on this. So I need your cognitive opinion on this.

The whole problem is with the concept of 'underage'. Islam proposes that there is no specific 'miraculous' age at which an individual spontaneously becomes physically or emotionally mature on the eve of his/her birthday, different individuals become mature at different ages. In Islam, it is left for the individual's guardians to assess when is the appropriate age to get him/her married, keeping in mind that it is essential to keep away the temptation to fornicate from their wards. In Islam, the only 'age' condition is that the marriage is only concluded if the individual gives consent when puberty is attained, and that no form of sexual contact may take place before then.

Secondly, paedophilia is the act of sexual contact with, or desire for, prepubescent children. An individual who has attained puberty is neither prepubescent (obviously) nor a child. Physical maturity is attained at puberty.

andersonbaba:
Just recently, there was an argument between a christian lady and a Muslim guy over superiority of religion. The Christian lady then threw a jab at the muslim brother saying "they are pedophiles" which got another muslim brother angry that he also joined in attacking the lady that she doesn't know nothing about the bible. That he has read the bible cover to cover and later asked the Christian Lady this question. "HOW OLD WAS MARY WHEN SHE WAS BETROTHED TO JOSEPH and WHEN SHE CONCEIVED?
I as a christian could not answer the question because having read my bible I didn't find what seemed to be the answer there. But after making further discoveries, what I found online shocked me . And I began to ask this question myself; why mary's age was not included in the bible? could this be the reason why Muslims marry underage. I know this is a sensitive topic but I know we have some theologians in nairaland that can shed more light on this. So I need your cognitive opinion on this.

andersonbaba here is your answer
[b]
Mary, the mother of Jesus was not 12 or a young girl when she got married.
Though the bible didn’t see it necessary to state an age, it is clear she was a mature woman.. here are the evidence.

Firstly, when she perceived that she has become pregnant, she went to visit her cousin, Elizabeth ,not aunt, not mother, her cousin. Now, being cousins means that though there can be some age gap between them, but they are contemporaries and friends(luke1:39-40). And Elizabeth herself has well aged and has even long entered
menopause. Hence, mary couldn't be a teenager, not to talk of 12.

Secondly, it was also written that on getting pregnant,she relocated from her house to Elizabeth's where she stayed with her for 3months before going back to her own house(see luke1:56). I don't think a 12year old or even a teenager will be having her own house at that time and even now.

Thirdly, her ability to independently move from her city to another for 3months clearly shows that we are dealing with a mature woman, not a teen or even less.

Fourthly, she was addressed throughout by both the angel and her cousin as a woman(see luke1:28,42)

Fifth, read her songs of exaltation from Luke1:46-55. It clearly shows the intelligence of a full grown woman who is knowledgeable in her ancestral history as she is of spiritual things.

As for Joseph, though no mention was ever made anywhere in the bible of his age, the bible describes him as a just man which modern scholars will refer to as a perfect gentleman.

Also, 12years after Jesus was born, his parents were still going to Jerusalem for their annual thanksgiving and this was a journey of days by road. That would have put Joseph's age at 111 if he married her at 99.

let me also add that when 12yr old Jesus went missing, Mary and Joseph turned the whole Jerusalem upside down searching for him until they found him in the temple.

If 12yr old was considered adult then, his parents wouldn't have worried because as an "adult he could fend for himself" But no, Mary and Joseph went searching for him till she found him, why? a 12yr old child is considered as a kid as it was in 2000 years ago and today... unlike Mohammed who sees a 6 year old child fit for marriage and 9 year old fit for sex..

All this evidence should tell you clearly that Mary wasn't 12yrs old at the time she was engaged to Joseph.

I want to add that the bible makes it clear u marry a woman and not a
child.. this is not even debatable. .

1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality,
each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife
does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. ...

Leviticus 21:7 ESV
They shall not marry a prostitute or a woman who has been defiled,
neither shall they marry a woman divorced from her husband, for the
priest is holy to his God. notice the use of the word woman and not girl or female..

[/b]

cc
WORDWORLD aka al taqiyya jihadist
Notruthatall
Deicide

muslims keep citing one silly site of unverified origin, claiming that mary was 12years in order to justify or draw comparison to mohammed who had sex with baby aisha at 9 years. the truth is that mary was a woman.

Farmerforlife:


The whole problem is with the concept of 'underage'. Islam proposes that there is no specific 'miraculous' age at which an individual spontaneously becomes physically or emotionally mature on the eve of his/her birthday, different individuals become mature at different ages. In Islam, it is left for the individual's guardians to assess when is the appropriate age to get him/her married, keeping in mind that it is essential to keep away the temptation to fornicate from their wards. In Islam, the only 'age' condition is that the marriage is only concluded if the individual gives consent when puberty is attained, and that no form of sexual contact may take place before then.

Secondly, paedophilia is the act of sexual contact with, or desire for, prepubescent children. An individual who has attained puberty is neither prepubescent (obviously) nor a child. Physical maturity is attained at puberty.

Would consider a fifty one year old man masturbating his dirty organ in between the thighs of a six year old an act of paedophilia?

I have a few questions, why did the Muslim brother defend the paedophilia prevalent in his religion by pointing out the same weakness in another? Isn't his religion supposed to be superior? Isn't that why he is a Muslim? Doesn't everybody think his religion is the perfect system ordained by God? Why then, do they defend their religions by showing how they are no worse than others?

parisbookaddict:



andersonbaba here is your answer
[b]
Mary, the mother of Jesus was not 12 or a young girl when she got married.
Though the bible didn’t see it necessary to state an age, it is clear she was a mature woman.. here are the evidence.

Firstly, when she perceived that she has become pregnant, she went to visit her cousin, Elizabeth ,not aunt, not mother, her cousin. Now, being cousins means that though there can be some age gap between them, but they are contemporaries and friends(luke1:39-40). And Elizabeth herself has well aged and has even long entered
menopause. Hence, mary couldn't be a teenager, not to talk of 12.

Secondly, it was also written that on getting pregnant,she relocated from her house to Elizabeth's where she stayed with her for 3months before going back to her own house(see luke1:56). I don't think a 12year old or even a teenager will be having her own house at that time and even now.

Thirdly, her ability to independently move from her city to another for 3months clearly shows that we are dealing with a mature woman, not a teen or even less.

Fourthly, she was addressed throughout by both the angel and her cousin as a woman(see luke1:28,42)

Fifth, read her songs of exaltation from Luke1:46-55. It clearly shows the intelligence of a full grown woman who is knowledgeable in her ancestral history as she is of spiritual things.

As for Joseph, though no mention was ever made anywhere in the bible of his age, the bible describes him as a just man which modern scholars will refer to as a perfect gentleman.

Also, 12years after Jesus was born, his parents were still going to Jerusalem for their annual thanksgiving and this was a journey of days by road. That would have put Joseph's age at 111 if he married her at 99.

let me also add that when 12yr old Jesus went missing, Mary and Joseph turned the whole Jerusalem upside down searching for him until they found him in the temple.

If 12yr old was considered adult then, his parents wouldn't have worried because as an "adult he could fend for himself" But no, Mary and Joseph went searching for him till she found him, why? a 12yr old child is considered as a kid as it was in 2000 years ago and today... unlike Mohammed who sees a 6 year old child fit for marriage and 9 year old fit for sex..

All this evidence should tell you clearly that Mary wasn't 12yrs old at the time she was engaged to Joseph.

I want to add that the bible makes it clear u marry a woman and not a
child.. this is not even debatable. .

1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality,
each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife
does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. ...

Leviticus 21:7 ESV
They shall not marry a prostitute or a woman who has been defiled,
neither shall they marry a woman divorced from her husband, for the
priest is holy to his God. notice the use of the word woman and not girl or female..

[/b]

cc
WORDWORLD aka al taqiyya jihadist
Notruthatall
Deicide

muslims keep citing one silly site of unverified origin, claiming that mary was 12years in order to justify or draw comparison to mohammed who had sex with baby aisha at 9 years. the truth is that mary was a woman.

*standing ovation*.
Classical response to 'straw man'..

What bros moha did was wrong,but muslims so called educated+conservative wont condemned it, they will rather seek al taqiya response.

#take away: stop using fabricated lies from 'the people of the book' to justify the evil of bros moha.

annunaki2:


Would consider a fifty one year old man masturbating his dirty organ in between the thighs of a six year old an act of paedophilia?

I have defined paedophilia already. Islam does not permit any form of sexual contact with prepubescent children.

Farmerforlife:


I have defined paedophilia already. Islam does not permit any form of sexual contact with prebuscent children.

Whilst I do not even agree with your twisted definition of paedophilia, you are by this statement claiming you know Islam more than the prophet of Islam who saw nothing wrong in having sexual contact with a six year old except you are telling us it's possible for a girl of six to have reached puberty

annunaki2:


Whilst I do not even agree with your twisted definition of paedophilia, you are by this statement claiming you know Islam more than the prophet of Islam who saw nothing wrong in having sexual contact with a six year old except you are telling us it's possible for a girl of six to have reached puberty

You might have your own definition of paedophilia, but I am certain that you are not the creator of the English language, so your personal opinion there is irrelevant. I have given the scientifically accepted definition...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

As for the prophet (ﷺ), he most certainly did not have sexual contact with any six year old. If you are referring to Aisha (ra), the hadith is clear that she did not even live with the prophet (ﷺ) until she was nine, when she would have attained physical maturity. My statement is based on the actual actions of the prophet (ﷺ), not some sourceless fictional tales by moonlight.

So, no. I do not claim to know Islam more than the prophet (ﷺ). It is you who proposes to teach us our religion, when you are totally ignorant of it, in addition to having poor knowledge of the English language and the definition of simple words.

Moh'd fell in love with a six year old and fvcked a nine year old

Farmerforlife:


You might have your own definition of paedophilia, but I am certain that you are not the creator of the English language, so your personal opinion there is irrelevant. I have given the scientifically accepted definition...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

As for the prophet (ﷺ), he most certainly did not have sexual contact with any six year old. If you are referring to Aisha (ra), the hadith is clear that she did not even live with the prophet (ﷺ) until she was nine, when she would have attained physical maturity. My statement is based on the actual actions of the prophet (ﷺ), not some sourceless fictional tales by moonlight.

So, no. I do not claim to know Islam more than the prophet (ﷺ). It is you who proposes to teach us our religion, when you are totally ignorant of it, in addition to having poor knowledge of the English language and the definition of simple words.

If in your twisted imagination a nine year old is sexually mature, will marry off your nine year old daughter to a man old enough to be her grand father? Also are you claiming ignorance of the concept of thighing in Islam Are you claiming ignorance of authentic hadiths that revealed mohamed was thighing aisha when she was just six years old Is that not being a pervert or are you saying islam's moral standard is much lower than the rest of humanity And shameful thing is that this pervert is meant to be islam's best example

annunaki2:


If in your twisted imagination a nine year old is sexually mature, will marry off your nine year old daughter to a man old enough to be her grand father?

In Islam, the overriding criteria we seek in a spouse is piety, not age. If my daughter of whatever age appears to be physically and mentally prepared for marriage, and a pious man of whatever age is found acceptable by her, then I will have no qualms about giving her out in marriage to him.

annunaki2:

Also are you claiming ignorance of the concept of thighing in Islam Are you claiming ignorance of authentic hadiths that revealed mohamed was thighing aisha when she was just six years old Is that not being a pervert or are you saying islam's moral standard is much lower than the rest of humanity And shameful thing is that this pervert is meant to be islam's best example

I am aware of the fact that CHRISTIANS say that there are authentic hadith about the prophet (ﷺ) 'thighing' Aisha (ra) when she was six years old. I am also aware of the fact that the majority of Christians are essentially either shameless liars, or ignorant copy-pasters of fellow shameless liars when it comes to spreading their faith. I will request that you please stop mentioning me until you provide an actual authentic hadith as evidence of your claims, not mere rumours of the existence of such a hadith. In reality, no authentic hadith of the prophet (ﷺ) 'thighing' a prepubescent girl exists anywhere, except in your wet dreams.

Once more for the stone-deaf... it is not permissible to have sexual contact of whatever form with prepubescent children in Islam; based on the authentic sources of Islam, the Quran, and the verified sayings and actions of the prophet (ﷺ).

So it's possible for a six year old to be mentally and physically ready for marriage in Islam or for a nine year old who is still immature enough to be playing with dolls to be mentally ready for sex with an old pervert. The painful thing is that you sound otherwise intelligent and exposed but like all true muslims, when it comes to Islam and mohammed, your brains fail to function properly.

parisbookaddict:



andersonbaba here is your answer
[b]
Mary, the mother of Jesus was not 12 or a young girl when she got married.
Though the bible didn’t see it necessary to state an age, it is clear she was a mature woman.. here are the evidence.

Firstly, when she perceived that she has become pregnant, she went to visit her cousin, Elizabeth ,not aunt, not mother, her cousin. Now, being cousins means that though there can be some age gap between them, but they are contemporaries and friends(luke1:39-40). And Elizabeth herself has well aged and has even long entered
menopause. Hence, mary couldn't be a teenager, not to talk of 12.

Secondly, it was also written that on getting pregnant,she relocated from her house to Elizabeth's where she stayed with her for 3months before going back to her own house(see luke1:56). I don't think a 12year old or even a teenager will be having her own house at that time and even now.

Thirdly, her ability to independently move from her city to another for 3months clearly shows that we are dealing with a mature woman, not a teen or even less.

Fourthly, she was addressed throughout by both the angel and her cousin as a woman(see luke1:28,42)

Fifth, read her songs of exaltation from Luke1:46-55. It clearly shows the intelligence of a full grown woman who is knowledgeable in her ancestral history as she is of spiritual things.

As for Joseph, though no mention was ever made anywhere in the bible of his age, the bible describes him as a just man which modern scholars will refer to as a perfect gentleman.

Also, 12years after Jesus was born, his parents were still going to Jerusalem for their annual thanksgiving and this was a journey of days by road. That would have put Joseph's age at 111 if he married her at 99.

let me also add that when 12yr old Jesus went missing, Mary and Joseph turned the whole Jerusalem upside down searching for him until they found him in the temple.

If 12yr old was considered adult then, his parents wouldn't have worried because as an "adult he could fend for himself" But no, Mary and Joseph went searching for him till she found him, why? a 12yr old child is considered as a kid as it was in 2000 years ago and today... unlike Mohammed who sees a 6 year old child fit for marriage and 9 year old fit for sex..

All this evidence should tell you clearly that Mary wasn't 12yrs old at the time she was engaged to Joseph.

I want to add that the bible makes it clear u marry a woman and not a
child.. this is not even debatable. .

1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality,
each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife
does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. ...

Leviticus 21:7 ESV
They shall not marry a prostitute or a woman who has been defiled,
neither shall they marry a woman divorced from her husband, for the
priest is holy to his God. notice the use of the word woman and not girl or female..

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WORDWORLD aka al taqiyya jihadist
Notruthatall
Deicide

muslims keep citing one silly site of unverified origin, claiming that mary was 12years in order to justify or draw comparison to mohammed who had sex with baby aisha at 9 years. the truth is that mary was a woman.

one of your best rebuttals yet

lilliesboy:

A big bunch of irrelevancies wrapped in boredom! That is what you just did in your write-up.

Guy u bad oooo

lilliesboy:
A lot of MUMUslims do that because it is scriptural: their MuhamMAD married and fu*ked Aisha at the age of 8/9 when she was still playing with dolls.

Lol...but the question now is how old was Mary when she was betrothed and conceived?

Notruthatall:
Mary was 12 years old when she was bethrothed to Joseph

Bro. Did you also read it from the history books? Because I didn't want to believe it when I saw it.

annunaki2:


This is highly speculative, there is no documented evidence for this.

Hmmmmmmm

Muslims never converted into the Western civilization with the rest of us. They still practical centre cultures that are thousands of years old. In the African culture, till just about 100 years ago, the same happened. Children were given off early, some even at birth they were booked.