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Re: Re: Atiku Vs Obj/efcc In The Ptdf Scandal by saintchux(m): 8:21am On Dec 22, 2006
Iyke-D:


You mean well just like most Nigerians, but fairness just doesn't sprout from nowhere. How
do you expect to go from "the most" corrupt country to a corrupt free country without taking
baby steps? Even the so-called process that will be used to pick this corrupt-free leader you
people are hoping to get is in itself un-fair and rigged.


The first step is for all Nigerians to condemn corruption or any ilegality no matter who committed it. Then we can now fight it. But when someone does something wrong and is not seen as been wrong and when another person does the same thingt and it is seen as wrong, then we can no fight corruption.

In the Impeachment saga in Anambra, Ekiti and Plateau state NJC has suspended the chief judge that aided the ilegality. Why did they suspend them b/c the process is corrupt. It did not exonerate Dariye from being corrupt. But it means that the way he was removed was wrong. That is what I am saying. The means of fighting corruption should not be corrupt itself

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=66363

Iyke-D:


For those attracted to Buhari for his honesty, you guys have forgotten that the man probably
still needs to be languishing in jail for overthrowing an elected government in 1983 - that is
treason, punishable by death in most country. Shouldn't we apply your argument here too?


Buhari commited felony by overthrowing Shagari government. But among all the devils that want to rule us, he is the better devil. he has not been accused of corruption. He is to the best of my knowledge honest and upright. he is the kind of president Nigeria needs now. He sent my corrupt official to jail. He was doing his best to correct the way Nigeria do things b/4 the evil genuis overthrow him. Remember in those days. You queue in bus stop, government offices to be attended to. I was in primary school then, but I still remember that we form a single line when entering our class room after morning assembly. Imagine how Nigeria would have been if that legacy was imbibed. There was orderliness everywhere.
Re: Re: Atiku Vs Obj/efcc In The Ptdf Scandal by IykeD1(m): 1:41pm On Dec 22, 2006
@saintchux

Your Buhari argument just doesn't fly. Like I said, if you are all about eliminating illegality before anything
else is done, I submit to you that Buhari needs to be serving a life term in prison, talk less about running
for president. Has it not been for him, the nation would have been spent the agony of IBB, Abacha, and
Obasanjo's presidency. The duo of IBB and Abacha wrecked far more havoc than the civilian government
prior to Buhari's madness.

What changed? I mean, the guy overthrew a democratically elected government, a treasonous offense,
which I believe is still punishable by death. Why are you making exception for Buhari, because he wasn't
corrupt in the financial sense, even though he succeeded in ushering decades of dark ages for Nigeria?

The first step is for all Nigerians to condemn corruption or any ilegality no matter who committed it.
Then we can now fight it. But when someone does something wrong and is not seen as been wrong and
when another person does the same thingt and it is seen as wrong, then we can no fight corruption.

I honestly don't know what you mean by the above. What exactly is condemning corruption? Isn't that
what Obasanjo and the EFCC have been doing, yet each time you get you bash both Obasanjo and the
EFCC for going after looters. In the same article you cited, Obasanjo for whatever reason denied Atiku
the use of a presidential jet. Why? Because he is the PRESIDENT and has the power to do so, we may
not agree with it and may not be able to do anything about it. This also means that even he is corrupt,
there is really nothing you can do until he leaves office. So do you propose we fold our hands as a nation
and not do anything about corruption until Obasanjo leaves?

I am not sure what Nigerians like you really want. We can hate the President and his actions but still be
OBJECTIVE, we are always thinking with our emotions.
Re: Re: Atiku Vs Obj/efcc In The Ptdf Scandal by ishmael(m): 1:56pm On Dec 22, 2006
Buhari is better than 10 Obasanjos. Buhari and Obasanjo are uncomparable. What do you understand by corruption?? Corruption literally means having a dent record financial wise, which OBJ has. Buhari was one time nigerian head of states, he did not loot nor stole nigeria's oil money, rather he was arresting and dealing with civilians and officials of Shagari's corrupt government. Buhari was again made PTF chairman during Abacha/Abdulsalam's regime and he showed his high integrity again by managing the oil funds well and not diverting money meant for nigerians into his personal account. Give OBJ that same office (PTF - Chairman) and see what will happen to nigeria and nigerians. Something negative and not positive will surely happen to the funds. Please in all aspects of leadership Buhari is better than OBJ and i support and pray for Buhari to be the next nigerian president and leader.
Re: Re: Atiku Vs Obj/efcc In The Ptdf Scandal by saintchux(m): 2:07pm On Dec 22, 2006
Iyke-D:


I honestly don't know what you mean by the above. What exactly is condemning corruption? Isn't that
what Obasanjo and the EFCC have been doing, yet each time you get you bash both Obasanjo and the
EFCC for going after looters. In the same article you cited, Obasanjo for whatever reason denied Atiku
the use of a presidential jet. Why? Because he is the PRESIDENT and has the power to do so, we may
not agree with it and may not be able to do anything about it. This also means that even he is corrupt,
there is really nothing you can do until he leaves office. So do you propose we fold our hands as a nation
and not do anything about corruption until Obasanjo leaves?

I am not sure what Nigerians like you really want. We can hate the President and his actions but still be
OBJECTIVE, we are always thinking with our emotions.

If EFCC arrest some people for being corrupt while they allow others to be moving freely. I will not support them. There is a laid down process of doing things. If it is followed, nobody will complain.

If Mr. President should send presidnetial jet to pick Tony Anineh but deny VP his own official plane I will not support Mr president.

What a Nigerian like me want is treat Mr. A the way you treated Mr B. Why is Otunbda Fasawe being prosecuted and Olabode George walking freely. EFCC has done investigation on NPA which indicted him and submitted report to Mr president. So what is holding them in arresting him Is Olabode George more Nigerian than Fasawe.

This is not emotion but fact. I have been consistent. I did not say that EFCC is not doing a good job in fighting corruption, but the process they are using is corrupt itself.

The era of half bread is better than none is gone. Standard are being redefined. If OBJ is not ready to fight corrupt not matter who is involved. please let him hands off. I hate double standard and I hate it with passion.
Re: Re: Atiku Vs Obj/efcc In The Ptdf Scandal by omofineboy(m): 6:20pm On Dec 22, 2006
@saintchux, Ismael, Dranoel

Thanks so much for your contribution I enjoyed your contribution.

@Iyde

You said Buhari should be in Prision by now, may OBJ should have been killed by Abacha, sentiments apart can OBJ honestly and true to his mind say he didnt plan coup in 1996? before Almighty Abacha arrested him? yet he became President, besides dont forget that the opportunity OBJ has to become military head of state was through coup detat, if he was not an active participant he wont be made head of state or second in command to Late Murtala so what are we saying, whats the importance of democracy thats worse than military regime, we have always said that we are in a supposedly democaritic dispensation and not in a democracy, I think that we should evaluate Buhari in terms of contributions to nation development and mindset, the mindset of the present occupiers of aso rock is to transform ota farms to a golden city.

You made a point by saying there is nothing we can do to a siting president, but let the sitting president follow due process of law. Thats all we are saying, ofcourse we all know that prision is OBJ's final home, he will be sent there with Atiku may by then they will resolve their differences.
Re: Re: Atiku Vs Obj/efcc In The Ptdf Scandal by saintchux(m): 6:52pm On Dec 22, 2006
omofineboy:

You made a point by saying there is nothing we can do to a siting president, but let the sitting president follow due process of law. Thats all we are saying, ofcourse we all know that prision is OBJ's final home, he will be sent there with Atiku may by then they will resolve their differences.

Thank you my broda
Re: Re: Atiku Vs Obj/efcc In The Ptdf Scandal by ishmael(m): 8:06pm On Dec 22, 2006
omofineboy:

sentiments apart can OBJ honestly and true to his mind say he didnt plan coup in 1996? before Almighty Abacha arrested him?

OBJ and Yar'adua actually took part in an abortive and foiled coup in 1995 and were later arrested and sent to jail. OBJ cannot deny the fact that they actually planned a coup. It was very obvious they planned a coup. The same thing applies to Oladipo Diya and Co, they actually planned a coup too. Were OBJ and Yar'adua the only retired generals in nigeria then, that Abacha would want to punish them for nothing?? What about people like Gowon, why was he not arrested for coup plotting too?? OBJ actually took part in plotting a coup against Abacha's government in 1995. Even Mamman Vatsa that was killed for taking part in a coup against IBB in 1986, his people are still making noise till today that he was not part of the coup. IBB was not insane and ignorant, he knew what was happening, and he was very surprise that his dear friend Vatsa was part of those who wanted to kill him. IBB was equally sorry for his friend Vatsa but what would he have done?? Free him?? What about the other coup plotters?? Free them too?? No coup plotter caught ever agrees to be guilty of coup plotting. Chikena!!

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