Charlesredif:

I don't get you. Sorry!
I am an Anglican because I was born into that.
I rarely pray and do all those anglican things
I go to church on Sundays but sometimes I argue for church and most times against church.
My religion is christianity
And I am still anglican

Ok sorry, since u are not an atheist, my argument is not directed at u

My argument is Religious people (whether christian or muslim) vs atheists in terms of educational achievements

felixomor:


Ok sorry, since u are not an atheist, my argument is not directed at u

My argument is Religious people (whether christian or muslim) vs atheists in terms of educational achievements

There are way more theists than atheists so it's only normal that there will be more achieving theists than atheists. They are also more thieves, murderers and rapists who are theists than atheists. Heck, they all blame the Devil when they are caught. But if you are to tell yourself the truth, you'd agree that a certain degree of intellectual acuity is required for a person to become atheist especially if they were born religious... I have noticed something though, it also takes a level of intelligence on the part of the theist to be willing to even consider engaging atheists or entertaining the thought that there are people who do not believe in the existence of whatever notion of God they hold...but erm, erm, there might be a few exceptions to these categories of people though, as evident on this forum.

Ranchhoddas:
There are way more theists than atheists so it's only normal that there will be more achieving theists than atheists. They are also more thieves, murderers and rapists who are theists than atheists. Heck, they all blame the Devil when they are caught. But if you are to tell yourself the truth, you'd agree that a certain degree of intellectual acuity is required for a person to become atheist especially if they were born religious... I have noticed something though, it also takes a level of intelligence on the part of the theist to be willing to even consider engaging atheists or entertaining the thought that there are people who do not believe in the existence of whatever notion of God they hold...but erm, erm, there might be a few exceptions to these categories of people though, as evident on this forum.

I agree with the last part of ur comment. Not the first lines

Most who become atheists out of religious background.
Just take a close look, u will notice that the main driving force was anger and desire to rebel.

And u urself has seen that they are always full of insult and trolls even here on NL rather than logical arguments.

That is Partly due to some poor parental skills anyway.

Not any Intelligence on their path.

Also, if u use comparison by proportions still, the contributions of atheists is still not as statistically significant as those who acknowledge God in their discoveries

felixomor:


I agree with the last part of ur comment. Not the first lines

Most who become atheists out of religious background.
Just take a close look, u will notice that the main driving force was anger and desire to rebel.

And u urself has seen that they are always full of insult and trolls even here on NL rather than logical arguments.

That is Partly due to some poor parental skills anyway.

Not any Intelligence on their path.

Also, if u use comparison by proportions still, the contributions of atheists is still not as statistically significant as those who acknowledge God in their discoveries

It's a two-way street with the invectives, the theists are more subtle though perhaps because of their religious inhibitions, although Christians for instance never pass up an opportunity to wave Psalm 14 vs 1 in their faces. Overall the atheists are more insultive though I am inclined to think that the tendency to hurl insults is an individual one. An ''insulter'' would hurl insults whether or not he's atheist or theists. I can mention atheists here who do not insult people even when they are insulted. I can also do the reverse for theists...

...If you want to blame their parents, would you also blame the parents of Muslim or atheist kids who turned Christian or would you attribute it to the Lord? Double standard?? I also don't know what you mean by ''acknowledging God in their discoveries'', can you give me examples of scientists and the instances where they ''acknowledged God in their discoveries''? CC. Felixomor

Ranchhoddas:
It's a two-way street with the invectives, the theists are more subtle though perhaps because of their religious inhibitions, although Christians for instance never pass up an opportunity to wave Psalm 14 vs 1 in their faces. Overall the atheists are more insultive though I am inclined to think that the tendency to hurl insults is an individual one. An ''insulter'' would hurl insults whether or not he's atheist or theists. I can mention atheists here who do not insult people even when they are insulted. I can also do the reverse for theists...

But sincerely, most times, the atheists are always the first to cast stones.

Ranchhoddas:
...If you want to blame their parents, would you also blame the parents of Muslim or atheist kids who turned Christian or would you attribute it to the Lord? Double standard?? I also don't know what you mean by ''acknowledging God in their discoveries'', can you give me examples of scientists and the instances where they ''acknowledged God in their discoveries''? CC. Felixomor

How many "atheist kids" have u seen?
Well there may be?
Moreover atheism is a negative or supposedly null state.

And as for people of other religion who come to Christianity, there is no need for "blame".

It's quite fallacious for u to say because I know why Christian kids rebel against their parents to go outside and become atheist, automatically I must also know why people on the outside rebel to come into Christianity.
Its a fallacy of illogical conclusion.
I cant make any conclusion on that.

Scientist who acknowledged God:
Example :

“A scientific discovery is also a religious discovery. There is no conflict between science and religion. Our knowledge of God is made larger with every discovery we make about the world.”

–Joseph H. Taylor, Jr., who received the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery of the first known binary pulsar, and for his work which supported the Big Bang theory of the creation of the universe

felixomor:


How many "atheist kids" have u seen?
Well there may be?
Moreover atheism is a negative or supposedly null state.

And as for people of other religion who come to Christianity, there is no need for "blame".

It's quite fallacious for u to say because I know why Christian kids rebel against their parents to go outside and become atheist, automatically I must also know why people on the outside rebel to come into Christianity.
Its a fallacy of illogical conclusion.
I cant make any conclusion on that.

Scientist who acknowledged God:
Example :

“A scientific discovery is also a religious discovery. There is no conflict between science and religion. Our knowledge of God is made larger with every discovery we make about the world.”

–Joseph H. Taylor, Jr., who received the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery of the first known binary pulsar, and for his work which supported the Big Bang theory of the creation of the universe

No blame?? Really?? I don't know how you cannot see the double standards you are employing. How on Earth is a scientific discovery a religious one?

Atheist choose their way of life because they want to be free to live their lives the way they want. But our Lord Jesus said, there is a way that seems right to a man but the end of it is destruction.

I want to make a few points hear,

1. You don't believe there is God. The Bible says only a fool says there is no God. If there is no God, what do you have to say about countless millions of people around the world whose lives have been transformed through the gospel. I have seen lives set free. The sick get healed. I have ministered to so many sick and witnessed the healing power of God. I have experienced healings in my life also. And you tell me God is not real.

2. Our Lord Jesus walked the face of this earth over 2,000 yrs ago. He came and revealed God to us. He backed up his teachings with his matchless miracles and self substantiated resurrection from the dead. His grave is empty. You will die and rot in the grave but Jesus is alive forever more. No archeologist have been able to refute the resurrection of Jesus. And you say there is no God. Can your belief in atheism raise a fly from the dead. Your beliefs is the lowest level human have been degraded to.

3. Every single word Jesus spoke about came to pass. Now, he says he is the one appointed to judge the world and you are not afraid of it? Do you think you will escape Jesus. If the grave could not hold him down, be sure heaven will release him when the time is near. No man on earth ever made the claims Jesus made. And he backed them up. Even atheist bow to Jesus. Your birthday is with reference to Christ. He is the center of history.

Let me stop here for now. I believe you want to enjoy the pleasures of sin but pay day is coming. You will not escape it unless you repent.

Ranchhoddas:
No blame?? Really?? I don't know how you cannot see the double standards you are employing. How on Earth is a scientific discovery a religious one?

There is no double standard.
Moving from Christianity to Islam and moving from Christianity to atheism (a null state) are not the same thing.
Ask any logician.
Atheism is a negative, not an affirmative.
Your question treats atheism like an affirmative.

And then it is also easy logic to know that by knowing the reasons people move out of my house does not mean I should also automatically know the reason people are trooping into my house.
Even, if I know the reason for the incoming, I should not arrive at it from the knowledge of the first.

And the quote of that scientist that acknowledged God, I gave to u, was copied and pasted (I am sorry I didn't specify earlier).
I wasn't the one who wrote it.
It was straight from the horse's mouth.

Ken4Christ:
Atheist choose their way of life because they want to be free to live their lives the way they want. But our Lord Jesus said, there is a way that seems right to a man but the end of it is destruction.

Let me stop here for now. I believe you want to enjoy the pleasures of sin but pay day is coming. You will not escape it unless you repent.

how many times would this misconception brought about by ignorance would be put to bed? here you are talking like you just had an eureka moment
visit
https://www.nairaland.com/3227103/people-atheists-because-want-sin

What I think is that he's still shocked as to how someone can choose not to believe in any God. It takes time to process, especially for someone who grew up in a highly religious environment and I think it's gradually settling in his head that atheists exist. He claims he was formerly an atheist which I believe to be a blantant lie, at most he was a Nominal Christian, or what Christians call a 'Sinner'. Not an atheist.
If he was actually about converting people to his faith you'd see an equal crusade against Islam, as Islam is every relevant in Nigeria.

felixomor:


There is no double standard.
Moving from Christianity to Islam and moving from Christianity to atheism (a null state) are not the same thing.
Ask any logician.
Atheism is a negative, not an affirmative.
Your question treats atheism like an affirmative.

And then it is also easy logic to know that by knowing the reasons people move out of my house does not mean I should also automatically know the reason people are trooping into my house.
Even, if I know the reason for the incoming, I should not arrive at it from the knowledge of the first.

And the quote of that scientist that acknowledged God, I gave to u, was copied and pasted (I am sorry I didn't specify earlier).
I wasn't the one who wrote it.
It was straight from the horse's mouth.

So you conveniently know why people are leaving (bad parenting) but you don't know why they coming in? I see.... If your reason for saying a scientific discovery is a religious one is just one copied and pasted quote, would you not be guilty of the same fallacous reasoning you accuse me of; 'appeal to authority' I believe they call it.

felixomor:

It's quite fallacious for u to say because I know why Christian kids rebel against their parents to go outside and become atheist, automatically I must also know why people on the outside rebel to come into Christianity.
Its a fallacy of illogical conclusion.

but it doesnt seem illogical when u conclude on your part?

Scientist who acknowledged God:
Example :

“A scientific discovery is also a religious discovery. There is no conflict between science and religion. Our knowledge of God is made larger with every discovery we make about the world.”

–Joseph H. Taylor, Jr.,

a personal conclusion doesnt validate anything...understand that

who received the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery of the first known binary pulsar, and for his work which supported the Big Bang theory of the creation of the universe

no contrast?
But the big bang and what we know about science contrasts the creation story in your holy book....

raphieMontella:

but it doesnt seem illogical when u conclude on your part?

"Conclude on your part"
Why can't I conclude on "my part"?
So I should conclude on another person's part abi ?
See u ?

raphieMontella:

a personal conclusion doesnt validate anything...understand that

So please state the "general conclusion"?
As concluded by which assembly?

raphieMontella:

no contrast?
But the big bang and what we know about science contrasts the creation story in your holy book....

Shebi You know u are always in a hurry to type?

Does the big bang in anyway rule out the existence of God?
As a matter of fact many Christians scientists opine that there was an explosion when God said "let there be light"?

So always study well before typing.
Moreover u had dismissed the person in question as a "personal" opinion.

Ranchhoddas:
So you conveniently know why people are leaving (bad parenting) but you don't know why they coming in? I see.... If your reason for saying a scientific discovery is a religious one is just one copied and pasted quote, would you not be guilty of the same fallacous reasoning you accuse me of; 'appeal to authority' I believe they call it.

Why don't u always read properly and also jump lines?

U asked for an example of a scientist that openly acknowledged God
And I gave u the example clearly.

I backed it up with a copy of his quote

Instead u decided to ignore ur initial quest of looking for a scientist that gave glory to God, and started picking in between the quotes of the inventor and asserted that I made such conclusion.

Well, there are many others scientists who did likewise without using those exact words. Do well to research them.

How bad can it get?

...So much for honesty.

felixomor:


Why don't u always read properly and also jump lines?

U asked for an example of a scientist that openly acknowledged God
And I gave u the example clearly.

I backed it up with a copy of his quote

Instead u decided to ignore ur initial quest of looking for a scientist that gave glory to God, and started picking in between the quotes of the inventor and asserted that I made such conclusion.

Well, there are many others scientists who did likewise without using those exact words. Do well to research them.

How bad can it get?

...So much for honesty.

Shots fired!

Ranchhoddas:
Shots fired!

Abeg o

felixomor:


Why don't u always read properly and also jump lines?

U asked for an example of a scientist that openly acknowledged God
And I gave u the example clearly.

I backed it up with a copy of his quote

Instead u decided to ignore ur initial quest of looking for a scientist that gave glory to God, and started picking in between the quotes of the inventor and asserted that I made such conclusion.

Well, there are many others scientists who did likewise without using those exact words. Do well to research them.

How bad can it get?

...So much for honesty.

You said clearly that a scientific discovery is also a religious one, I ask for an explanation and you come up with a quote from a scientist and you go further to say that it's also an answer to an initial question on scientists acknowledging God. And you call me dishonest?

felixomor:


"Conclude on your part"
Why can't I conclude on "my part"?
So I should conclude on another person's part abi ?
See u ?

nvm..you cudnt understand..

So please state the "general conclusion"?
As concluded by which assembly?

What did you say?

Shebi You know u are always in a hurry to type?

irrelevant

Does the big bang in anyway rule out the existence of God?
As a matter of fact many Christians scientists opine that there was an explosion when God said "let there be light"?

So always study well before typing.
Moreover u had dismissed the person in question as a "personal" opinion.

what are you saying?
Did you just mix up two distinct things i said into one?

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What kinda big bang btw?
The one that has the earth form before the sun?(bible)
Or the one that has the sun form before the earth?

Ranchhoddas:
You said clearly that a scientific discovery is also a religious one , I ask for an explanation and you come up with a quote from a scientist and you go further to say that it's also an answer to an initial question on scientists acknowledging God. And you call me dishonest?

The scientist said it o.
Those are his words.....
Not mine o.

If at all u want to query semantics, ur question should be indirect.
Moreover, that's not what u were initially interested in

raphieMontella:

nvm..you cudnt understand..





What did you say?





irrelevant

what are you saying?
Did you just mix up two distinct things i said into one?

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What kinda big bang btw?
The one that has the earth form before the sun?(bible)
Or the one that has the sun form before the earth?

Go study the work of the scientist himself.
Then u will know.
The aim of the initial post was to site somebody who acknowledged God in his discoveries,

Period!

felixomor:


Go study the work of the scientist himself.
Then u will know.
The aim of the initial post was to site somebody who acknowledged God in his discoveries,

Period!

Which god?

felixomor:


The scientist said it o.
Those are his words.....
Not mine o.

If at all u want to query semantics, ur question should be indirect.
Moreover, that's not what u were initially interested in

Chai...The scientist said so therefore it must be right. What was I initally interested in?

Ranchhoddas:
Chai...The scientist said so therefore it must be right. What was I initally interested in?

U were interested in knowing scientists that acknowledged God in their discoveries.

hahn:


Which god?

The one u (we) always talk about.

felixomor:


The one u (we) always talk about.

Ok. Praise Zeus, the creator of the universe and the one who is responsible for your life and your success

KingEbukasBlog:

.. an "offense" every known atheist on Nairaland commits ..

felixomor:


The scientist said it o.
Those are his words.....
Not mine o.

hahn:


Ok. Praise Zeus, the creator of the universe and the one who is responsible for your life and your success

Which life? Which success?

hahn:


Ok. Praise Zeus, the creator of the universe and the one who is responsible for your life and your success

Oh OK, good for u then

felixomor:


U were interested in knowing scientists that acknowledged God in their discoveries.

...and where are they?