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Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by orisa37: 8:02am On Sep 24, 2016
We all should learn to be intolerant of illiterate leaders.
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by oweniwe(m): 8:12am On Sep 24, 2016
Timbuktou:
Of course, Nigeria is worth dying for. The question is, how many of you deserve to be Nigerians.

As a writer.... With epileptic poser supply, tattered and comatose publishing industry, bad international image...

It's the other way round...

Nigeria does not deserve some of its 'citizens'

Look at the Olympic football team... Does Nigeria deserve them? There are many countries willing to pay millions of dollars, people and support their trade with good institutions...

But Nigeria... Instead of supporting it's citizens, it will be frustrating them.

Nigeria does not deserve some of it's citizens
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by attackgat: 8:27am On Sep 24, 2016
As an Igbo man, I will go and die for Yoruba and Hausa man? Excuse me let me go and laugh well.
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by Nobody: 9:31am On Sep 24, 2016
oweniwe:


As a writer.... With epileptic poser supply, tattered and comatose publishing industry, bad international image...

It's the other way round...

Nigeria does not deserve some of its 'citizens'

Look at the Olympic football team... Does Nigeria deserve them? There are many countries willing to pay millions of dollars, people and support their trade with good institutions...

But Nigeria... Instead of supporting it's citizens, it will be frustrating them.

Nigeria does not deserve some of it's citizens

"Nigeria" did not do all these unscrupulous things, Nigerians did. The Nigeria we have now is what Nigerians have made of it. Nigeria itself, is largely inanimate. Nigerians have themselves to blame because they stand idly by and do nothing when things the wrong things are done day in, day out. Do you expect the society to magically transform to a utopia? You think those benefitting from evil will give it up just because it hurts you? Bros, wake up.

The next time you're in a queue and someone feels too big and beats the queue, think of what a good Nigerian should do; call them to order or let them enjoy their boldness since it's "petty". We cannot have our cake and eat it too. Just yesterday, some clowns were protesting in favour of Patience Jonathan. Did "Nigeria" push them out onto the streets? How much of the money she got have they partaken of, how much will they partake of? More to the point, isn't the money she's been accused of pilfering a part of our/their commonwealth? Nigerians amuse me when they do wrong but expect good. They say little drops make and ocean, the little little bad bad things we have been doing have now become a habit and we are suffering from the result of our own mischief. If we want to see good, we must do good.

I know many of you will cite the west as the bastion of all things right and proper, yet a Nigerian will be orderly and comported over there and unruly here. They west You all fantasise about is the way it is because individuals gave their lives to make things work. Human nature is the same everywhere in the world. Whether in Sweden, Colombia or Nepal. It is individuals that make the differnece. You think it's the air they breathe or the water they drink that makes them so? No, it's accountability. When they see someone being barbaric they call them to order real quick, but here we say "Wetin consign me," and look away forgetting that what goes around comes around. But you magically expect Nigeria to be heaven abi? Wait first, una go dey alright
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by Nobody: 9:33am On Sep 24, 2016
attackgat:
As an Igbo man, I will go and die for Yoruba and Hausa man? Excuse me let me go and laugh well.

Can you die for an Igbo man you aren't related to? You think Obiano, Okorohausa and co will die for you? You are a very funny person. grin grin grin
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by abouzaid: 1:09pm On Sep 24, 2016
Timbuktou:


Can you die for an Igbo man you aren't related to? You think Obiano, Okorohausa and co will die for you? You are a very funny person. grin grin grin
millions, igbos and non igbos willingly died for biafra,remember dr Pius okigbo?
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by oweniwe(m): 6:17pm On Sep 25, 2016
Timbuktou:


"Nigeria" did not do all these unscrupulous things, Nigerians did. The Nigeria we have now is what Nigerians have made of it. Nigeria itself, is largely inanimate. Nigerians have themselves to blame because they stand idly by and do nothing when things the wrong things are done day in, day out. Do you expect the society to magically transform to a utopia? You think those benefitting from evil will give it up just because it hurts you? Bros, wake up.

The next time you're in a queue and someone feels too big and beats the queue, think of what a good Nigerian should do; call them to order or let them enjoy their boldness since it's "petty". We cannot have our cake and eat it too. Just yesterday, some clowns were protesting in favour of Patience Jonathan. Did "Nigeria" push them out onto the streets? ...

The issues you mentioned there are petty. The problemwit h Nigeria is Nigeria itselt.... because the way it is configured, it can never be a developed country.

I don't know what tribe you are from... but i know that if you're on a queue and a man older than you or someone with responsibilities more than you... e.g. a heavily pregnant woman, transporter, proprietor or police/soldier in an ATM queue... If i'm not in a hurry, i don't mind letting such folks move ahead if they politely request to use the service ahead of others on the queue.

Nigeria's problems are in it's institutions, not the people. The Nigerian people are good, they are very good... but institutions in Nigeria are set up/configured in such a way that they give unfair advantage to some people to rob others of their human, business, social and natural resources.

Nigeria is configured in such a way that one region/tribe does not want the other regions to develop ahead of them so when they have they power, they do all they can to ensure that other parts of the country are left desolate so they can "harvest" the manpower and resources of the other people in exchange for peanuts or nothing.

I will give you examples. Look at the Power National Grid system. The localities that provide the power are left in darkness while the power they produce is carried to the "big Cities". The Northern oligarchies do not want the Niger Delta people to "dominate" the petroleum industry so they would rather prefer Nigeria spend billions of dollars to import petroleum products than allow modular refineries be built in the Niger Delta. You read news of Military folks destroying "illegal refineries", don't you? But you never hear of Military arresting illegal miners in the Northern parts of the country.

The way the Developed countries draw off the resources and manpower of underdeveloped countries is exactly the same way the big tribes/regions try to under develop other tribes/regions.

Tell me how Nigeria will work this way.

The best thing that will work for Nigeria is the British System... Ireland, Wales, Soctland... they have their own government but are under the GB. NO sensible Nigerian wants Nigeria to break up so the fear of secession is not likely to materialize.

However, The problem with the confederate system .... is how to define the territories that will make up the confederate. Some people are willing to talk about it in order to solve that problem but some other people are not willing to hear anything about it so it creates akind of hatred-mistrust among Nigerians.

NB: It is useless to protest in Nigeria. The only language the Nigerian system understand is violence. The will wait for hundreds or thousands of people to die first before fixing a simple road. Farmers protesting against fulani herdmen are arrested, or shot dead.

Yoruba protested when MKO was arrested and detained for years. Was MKO finally released? No, he died in detention. Zak Zakay and NNAmdi Kanu are in prison... are people not protesting?

if you protest in Nigeria... Rather than listen to your grievance and try to solve the problem... others will deride and laugh at you.
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by walemoney007(m): 7:54pm On Sep 25, 2016
I have never enjoyed anything from this country,I will never die for Nigeria.
I hate this country
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by redcap: 9:42pm On Sep 25, 2016
I would gladly give up Nigeria so that a stray dog can live.
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by Nobody: 1:46pm On Sep 28, 2016
oweniwe:


The issues you mentioned there are petty.
On the contrary, they are a representation of the malaise bedeveling the country. They might seem petty, but note that those who aren't faithful with little will be powerful with plenty.

The problem with Nigeria is Nigeria itselt.... because the way it is configured, it can never be a developed country.
I agree with the premise partially, the configuration of the country is progress-stifling. However, your conclusion, I don't agree with.

I don't know what tribe you are from... but i know that if you're on a queue and a man older than you or someone with responsibilities more than you... e.g. a heavily pregnant woman, transporter, proprietor or police/soldier in an ATM queue... If i'm not in a hurry, i don't mind letting such folks move ahead if they politely request to use the service ahead of others on the queue.

I'm Yoruba but that's hardly relevant here. People generally allow those you mentioned to go ahead of the queue due to their special circumstances everywhere in Nigeria where I have been in a queue. My point is dealing with those who do not belong to these aforementioned categories of people but still refuse to join the queue.

1. Nigeria's problems are in it's institutions, not the people.
2. The Nigerian people are good, they are very good...
3. but institutions in Nigeria are set up/configured in such a way that they give unfair advantage to some people to rob others of their human, business, social and natural resources.
1. I disagree. The people run the institutions. Not the other way around. It's not the north giving an taking bribes to truncate due process in our institutions, it's everybody who thinks that's how things should be done and doing so. And you might not believe this, but every tribe is represented in this group. Wasn't it a few days ago somebody complained about Lagos State Civil Service being extremely corrupt? The other day it was a diaspora Nigerian assaulted in an Immigration Office in Oyo State. I could go on till eternity.
2. I fully agree. Doesn't mean they don't do wrong/bad things. After all, our prisons are teeming with Nigerian humans.
3. The only people benefitting from Nigerian institutions are the elite(ably represented in every tribe), the political class(represented in every tribe), ordinary people gaming the system, criminals, then the masses come a distant last.

Nigeria is configured in such a way that one region/tribe does not want the other regions to develop ahead of them so when they have they power, they do all they can to ensure that other parts of the country are left desolate so they can "harvest" the manpower and resources of the other people in exchange for peanuts or nothing.
Okay, you need to chill with your tribal conspiracy theories. So, how much did the Niger Delta benefit from Jonathan's five years, or the south west from Obasanjo's eight or the north will all the numerous Heads of State they have produced? Dude, let me tell you something you have failed to realise, you have more in common socially and economically with an ordinary person in Kaduna than the governor of your state or the senator representing you. grin. It may be a hard pill to swallow but I urge you to look into it. When we, the ordinary people were queuing for fuel early this year, you think your governor or rep or senator or governor went through what you did? It was the "northern conspirator" who went through what you did, not even northern politicians grin grin. Baba, wake up.

I will give you examples. Look at the Power National Grid system. The localities that provide the power are left in darkness while the power they produce is carried to the "big Cities".

The Northern oligarchies do not want the Niger Delta people to "dominate" the petroleum industry so they would rather prefer Nigeria spend billions of dollars to import petroleum products than allow modular refineries be built in the Niger Delta. You read news of Military folks destroying "illegal refineries", don't you? But you never hear of Military arresting illegal miners in the Northern parts of the country.
Erm, I lived in Kanji for six years and that's when I knew what 24/7 electricity meant being from Lagos. The only time lights went off was during storms or during maintenance or when there was the now well-known system collapse. So, forgive me if I do not believe that comment.

Which brings me back to Jona. Pray tell, what did this nigga do to legitimise these "modular" refineries while he was in power? Are you saying he was a northern agent or that he's actually Hausa-Fulani and not Bayelsan? Baba, abeg, let's be objective. Yes, the governments could legitimise these private refineries but I would chuck their not doing so to incompetence rather than a conspiracy.

The way the Developed countries draw off the resources and manpower of underdeveloped countries is exactly the same way the big tribes/regions try to under develop other tribes/regions.
Now, I'm sure Jona was just a northern agent. Even the guys running yhe NDDC and Niger Delta ministry are all agents for the actualisation of the northern agenda. grin. Look, the simple truth is that the political class only care about how much they can pilfer. They do not care about their communities. That is why whether Babangida or Abacha or Obasanjo or Jonathan rule, the common people in those communities where they come from will not have a better standard o living through their leadership actions.

Tell me how Nigeria will work this way.
Well, if that were true it wouldn't work

[quoteThe best thing that will work for Nigeria is the British System... Ireland, Wales, Soctland... they have their own government but are under the GB. NO sensible Nigerian wants Nigeria to break up so the fear of secession is not likely to materialize.[/quote]
Personally, I want Nigeria to break up. Developing regions would be easier and quicker. I am a secession advocate. The north is too big and they are pulling the rest of the country back. If they get their act together I would love to be in the same country with then though. grin

However, The problem with the confederate system .... is how to define the territories that will make up the confederate. Some people are willing to talk about it in order to solve that problem but some other people are not willing to hear anything about it so it creates akind of hatred-mistrust among Nigerians.
The Nigerian people are not ready to pay the price for a good society. Politicians will not push for this because they already live the good life, they cannot sweat for you and I. This is a fight for the common man. If we will not fight for this, we will continue as we are until some politician grows a conscience and tries to do something right.

NB: It is useless to protest in Nigeria. The only language the Nigerian system understand is violence. The will wait for hundreds or thousands of people to die first before fixing a simple road. Farmers protesting against fulani herdmen are arrested, or shot dead.
Again, this is the way of the average Nigerian, not necessarily a government thing. I have worked in this country na. I jave been a part of numerous associations both religious and secular. Believe me when I tell you, this is the way of the average Nigerian.

Yoruba protested when MKO was arrested and detained for years. Was MKO finally released? No, he died in detention. Zak Zakay and NNAmdi Kanu are in prison... are people not protesting?

if you protest in Nigeria... Rather than listen to your grievance and try to solve the problem... others will deride and laugh at you.
Okay, hold up right there. MKO cannot and should not be compared with Zaky and Kanu.
Zaky, is a religious loon whose reality has been suspended by thoughts of a the Koran giving him superpowers to break the law. While Zaky's continued incarceration is wrong, I have no idea why he's still being held, perhaps in the interest of national security(?). We certainly don't want another Shekau. Kanu, on the other hand, is a petulant warmonger and scammer who is taking advantage of the Biafra struggle to fulfil his own selfish agenda. I make no apologies when I say he should never see be let out of jail. His meeting in the US asking for funds to buy arms in order to wage war against Nigeria is in the public domain. If I were president, that guy is a gonner, again, not one iota of remorse when I say that.
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by DabuIIIT: 3:05pm On Sep 28, 2016
noblezone:
Nigeria is worth killing for, but not dying for.

Cursed be the day Luggard and his fellow oyinbo winch them set foot on our lands.

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Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by DabuIIIT: 3:06pm On Sep 28, 2016
maslong:




CAPITAL ''NO'' nigeria is not what dying for.
I can't even sacrifice my loved pet for the useless luggard concocted mixture called nigeria.
luggard luggard luggard may your soul continue to burn in the hottest part of hell. nonsense.

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Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by DabuIIIT: 3:10pm On Sep 28, 2016
Timbuktou:
Of course, Nigeria is worth dying for. The question is, how many of you deserve to be Nigerians.
zoogerian,pls we dont wanna be,help us beg ur dullapo to let us go...

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Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by Nobody: 5:59pm On Sep 28, 2016
DabuIIIT:

zoogerian,pls we dont wanna be,help us beg ur dullapo to let us go...

You call me zoogerian, yet you're the one behaving like an animal. You don't have to quote me, if you think you do try to get your point across like a properly-evolved homo sapiens.

Good day.
Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by DabuIIIT: 7:23pm On Sep 28, 2016
Timbuktou:


You call me zoogerian, yet you're the one behaving like an animal.
sir zombie,theres a lagoon @ozumba mbadiwe in ur zoo nation in lagos,u can help ur zoogerian fully evolved lead_mass lolss
timbuktou:

You don't have to quote me, if you think you do try to get your point across like a properly-evolved homo sapiens.

Good day.
see name,timbuktou....what can be more jungle! grin

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Re: Be Honest, Is Nigeria Worth Dying For? by DabuIIIT: 7:27pm On Sep 28, 2016
Hungry Zombies everywhere...

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