What really was the purpose of the story? Personally, the biggest line of reasoning against the biblical flood is the sheer incompetence displayed by the biblegod in the story.

The whole point was to destroy evil, right? To reset the world back to the mythical garden of eden where there is no evil, right?

This is the best that an all-powerful, all-knowing supernatural being could do? destroy the earth according to the story, destroy all its inhabitants, refuse to destroy his worst enemy devil(because according to the story the devil was not destroyed) who is supposed to be his worst enemy and the being that is responsible for evil in the world. After allegedly destroying the earth with a flood according to the myth, men continued to disobey him and he sometime had to come down from heaven and fight with men using his mighty sword of slaughter, shouting and crying while killing men as recorded in some books of the bible .

So what was the purpose of destroying the earth with a flood assuming the story were true? Why destroy all of humanity and leave out the devil who was responsible for leading them astray in the first place according to the story. After destroying humanity people continued to sin and rebel against this deity. So what was the purpose of the flood? what did it accomplish?

Myth, myth and more myth

what is wrong with myth? If that was the language of the day, and u agree that there was no science, why try to antagonize people for being born in a different time from u?

When your grandmother tells u a story of a talking, racing turtle do u call her silly for suggesting that turtles talk and race with hares? I think these cheap shots at ancient writers are getting really played out, and IMO display a certain level of ignorance among critics of the bible.

YEAH!! I said it!! Bring it on!! 

The bible god is downright incompetent, no wonder why lucifer and his angels defected from this guy

toneyb:

What really was the purpose of the story? Personally, the biggest line of reasoning against the biblical flood is the sheer incompetence displayed by the biblegod in the story.

The whole point was to destroy evil, right? To reset the world back to the mythical garden of eden where there is no evil, right?

This is the best that an all-powerful, all-knowing supernatural being could do? destroy the earth according to the story, destroy all its inhabitants, refuse to destroy his worst enemy devil(because according to the story the devil was not destroyed) who is supposed to be his worst enemy and the being that is responsible for evil in the world. After allegedly destroying the earth with a flood according to the myth, men continued to disobey him and he sometime had to come down from heaven and fight with men using his mighty sword of slaughter, shouting and crying while killing men as recorded in some books of the bible .

So what was the purpose of destroying the earth with a flood assuming the story were true? Why destroy all of humanity and leave out the devil who was responsible for leading them astray in the first place according to the story. After destroying humanity people continued to sin and rebel against this deity. So what was the purpose of the flood? what did it accomplish?

Myth, myth and more myth

how many times have i exposed ur ignorance on this issue?

@toneyb,

Inform and educate yourself on all you need to know about Noah and the flood in the link below:

http://www.christiananswers.net/godstory/flood1.html

So,where is the socalled "education" on that site?It does absolutely nothing but show the sheer incompetence of this bumbling and extremely limited jewish god . . .

OLAADEGBU:

@toneyb,

Inform and educate yourself on all you need to know about Noah and the flood in the link below:

http://www.christiananswers.net/godstory/flood1.html

The flood story in glorious 3d

http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/the_flood/gn06_11.html

I find it amazing how in 2009 some people still actually believe it to be true that the whole of the earth was flooded by the god yahweh 5000 years ago to try to eradicate evil. Is Yahweh a complete idiot, or just an imaginary idiot? You decide

jagunlabi:

So,where is the socalled "education" on that site?It does absolutely nothing but show the sheer incompetence of this bumbling and extremely limited jewish god . . .

Did you click on the site where it answers most if not all of the scientific and biblical questions relating to the catastrophic flood? Check it out.

http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/menu-catastrophe.html

Do you seriously believe that noah had dinosaurs on his ark as mentioned in the link you provided?

"Remember there are really only a few very large animals, such as the dinosaur or the elephant, and these could be represented by young ones."

Do you know how many different species of dinosaurs there were and when they became extinct?

Do you know about plate tectonics and the slow movement of the earths crust?

Do you know about the massive floods caused by the melting of the ice sheets at the end of the last ice age?

It is very interesting that local flood myths of the mediteranean coincide with the raised sea levels due to the ending of the ice age, and primitive humans attempts at explaining the phenomenom. Our knowledge and understanding has advanced tremendously since then but still some people desperately cling on to the old idea that 'god did it' because we made him angry.

It is the same kind of people who believe that the tsunami in indonesia which killed thousands of people was god's wrath to punish wicked people.

Noah's flood is a myth based on a massive local flood 7500 years ago when natural dams broke and sea water flooded into the black sea which used to be a freshwater lake.

You are entitled to your beliefs, sir.

noetic15:

how many times have i exposed your ignorance on this issue?

How have you exposed my ignorance

toneyb:

How have you exposed my ignorance

are u suffering from a memory loss?

OLAADEGBU:

Did you click on the site where it answers most if not all of the scientific and biblical questions relating to the catastrophic flood? Check it out.

http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/menu-catastrophe.html

There is NO scientific evidence for any global flood, in fact please name just one geologist that agrees that there is scientific evidence for a global flood. I can name some christian geologist that agree that there is absolutely no evidence at all for a global flood.

Hydrodynamic sorting proves hands down that a global flood did not occur. Unless you wish to change the law of gravity, if you mix fossils and sediments with water, certain things have to happen. Lots of geological evidence regarding hydrodynamic sorting proves that a global flood did not occur. The following evidence is from Glenn Miller, who is a conservative Christian, and is a geophysicist. Hugh Ross another christian scientist also agrees that there is absolutely no evidence at all for a global flood and says that the biblical story is that of a local flood because of the lack of evidence for a global flood. You can read Glenn Miller's scientific evidence against a global flood in the link below.

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gflood.htm

toneyb:

There is NO scientific evidence for any global flood, in fact please name just one geologist that agrees that there is scientific evidence for a global flood. I can name some christian geologist that agree that there is absolutely no evidence at all for a global flood.

Hydrodynamic sorting proves hands down that a global flood did not occur. Unless you wish to change the law of gravity, if you mix fossils and sediments with water, certain things have to happen. Lots of geological evidence regarding hydrodynamic sorting proves that a global flood did not occur. The following evidence is from Glenn Miller, who is a conservative Christian, and is a geophysicist. Hugh Ross another christian scientist also agrees that there is absolutely no evidence at all for a global flood and says that the biblical story is that of a local flood because of the lack of evidence for a global flood. You can read Glenn Miller's scientific evidence against a global flood in the link below.

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gflood.htm

same old rhetoric

noetic15:

are u suffering from a memory loss?

You were asked to provide evidence for a global flood and you brought up "Polystrate fossil" which is not even a geological and scientific term as your evidence. But the problem is apart from the fact that it is not even a scientific term it is NOT an evidence for a global flood at all.

In geology, such fossils are referred to as upright fossils, trunks, or trees. Brief periods of rapid sedimentation favor their formation. Upright fossils are typically found in layers associated with an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin, or with the accumulation of volcanic material around a periodically erupting stratovolcano. Typically, this period of rapid sedimentation was followed by a period of time, decades to thousands of years long, characterized by very slow or no accumulation of sediments. In river deltas and other coastal plain settings, rapid sedimentation is often the end result of a brief period of accelerated subsidence of an area of coastal plain relative to sea level caused by salt tectonics, global sea level rise, growth faulting, continental margin collapse, or some combination of these factors. For example, geologists such as John W. F. Waldron and Michael C. Rygel have argued that the rapid burial and preservation of polystrate fossil trees found at Joggins, Nova Scotia was the direct result of rapid subsidence, caused by salt tectonics within an already subsiding pull-apart basin, and resulting rapid accumulation of sediments. Contrary to the claims of creationists, these sedimentary basins are considerably smaller than the state of Texas. The specific layers containing polystrate fossils occupy only a very limited fraction of the total area of any of these basins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fossil

The article  from wikipedia describes different types of polystrate fossil and the differing conditions that led to their formation. Next time provide scientific evidence for a global flood and stop providing unscientific evidence. Now tell me how you have "educated" me.

noetic15:

same old rhetoric 

All I want is for you to name just one geologist that agrees that there is scientific evidence for a global flood. I have named one christian geologist that not only agrees that there is absolutely no scientific evidence for a global flood but he presents that greatest scientific evidence against the global flood which is the hydrodynamic sorting in fact hyrodynamic sorting proves hands down that a global flood did not occur.

toneyb:

You were asked to provide evidence for a global flood and you brought up "Polystrate fossil" which is not even a gelogical term as your evidence. But the problem is apart from the fact that it is not even a scietific term it is NOT an evidence for a global flood at all.
The article  from wikipedia describes different types of polystrate fossil and the differing conditions that led to their formation. Next time provide scientific evidence for a global flood and stop providing unscietific evidence. Now tell me how you have "educated" me.

do u remember that u ran away from the three threads where I exposed ur ignorance?  

PS: polystrate fossils do NOT have to be geological terms. . . .they simply describe the existence and location of "elements" that could not have been in their present location without noah's flood happening? . . . .i tot i educated u on that  

toneyb:

All I want is for you to name just one geologist that agrees that there is scientific evidence for a global flood. I have named one christian geologist that not only agrees that there is absolutely no scientific evidence for a global flood but he presents that greatest scientific evidence against the global flood which is the hydrodynamic sorting in fact hyrodynamic sorting proves hands down that a global flood did not occur.

only small minds discuss people . . .great minds discuss issues.

why do u think noah's flood did not take place?

noetic15:

do u remember that u ran away from the three threads where I exposed your ignorance?  

PS: polystrate fossils do NOT have to be geological terms. . . .they simply describe the existence and location of "elements" that could not have been in their present location without noah's flood happening? . . . .i tot i educated u on that  

What is this . I asked you to provide just one geologist that agrees with the lie you have just spewed. The article in wikipedia says that you are a liar that does not even know what he is saying.

In geology, such fossils are referred to as upright fossils, trunks, or trees. Brief periods of rapid sedimentation favor their formation. Upright fossils are typically found in layers associated with an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin, or with the accumulation of volcanic material around a periodically erupting stratovolcano. Typically, this period of rapid sedimentation was followed by a period of time, decades to thousands of years long, characterized by very slow or no accumulation of sediments. In river deltas and other coastal plain settings, rapid sedimentation is often the end result of a brief period of accelerated subsidence of an area of coastal plain relative to sea level caused by salt tectonics, global sea level rise, growth faulting, continental margin collapse, or some combination of these factors. For example, geologists such as John W. F. Waldron and Michael C. Rygel have argued that the rapid burial and preservation of polystrate fossil trees found at Joggins, Nova Scotia was the direct result of rapid subsidence, caused by salt tectonics within an already subsiding pull-apart basin, and resulting rapid accumulation of sediments. Contrary to the claims of creationists, these sedimentary basins are considerably smaller than the state of Texas. The specific layers containing polystrate fossils occupy only a very limited fraction of the total area of any of these basins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fossil

I said the article  from wikipedia describes different types of polystrate fossil and the differing conditions that led to their formation. The mythical noah's flood is NOT part of the scientific explanation.

noetic15:

only small minds discuss people . . .great minds discuss issues.

why do u think noah's flood did not take place?

I don't have to provide scientific evidence against the mythical flood because a fellow christian has already provided that evidence which is the hydrodynamic sorting, there are more than enough scientific evidence that proves that the flood only happened in the pages of the bible according to mazaje.

Why is there no mention of the Flood in the records of Egyptian or Mesopotamian civilizations which existed at the time? [/b]Biblical dates (I Kings 6:1, Gal 3:17, various generation lengths given in Genesis) place the Flood 1300 years before Solomon began the first temple. We can construct reliable chronologies for near Eastern history, particularly for Egypt, from many kinds of records from the literate cultures in the near East. These records are independent of, but supported by, dating methods such as dendrochronology and carbon-14. The building of the first temple can be dated to 950 B.C. +/- some small delta, placing the Flood around 2250 B.C. Unfortunately, the Egyptians (among others) have written records dating well back before 2250 B.C. ([b]the Great Pyramid, for example dates to the 26th century B.C., 300 years before the Biblical date for the Flood). No sign in Egyptian inscriptions of this global flood around 2250 B.C.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

This is my own historical reason to believe that the flood is a myth because it is reported only in the bible and other civilizations that were keeping records at that time did not mention it at all.

Noetic please come and "educate" me about your myth

lots of religions have flood stories. just go with the flow (no pun intended)

now somebody is asking why Babylonian and Egyptian mythologies dont mention a flood.

If they hear of flood stories from the same babylon and Egypt, they'll say thats where the Genesis account came from.


Confused set of confusionists, imo.

Always arguing in circles.

tpia.:

now somebody is asking why Babylonian and Egyptian mythologies dont mention a flood.

If they hear of flood stories from the same babylon and Egypt, they'll say thats where the Genesis account came from.


Confused set of confusionists, imo.

Always arguing in circles.

Do you have any flood stories from the Egyptians that say only Noah and his family survived a global flood that destroyed the whole earth? Do you have any scientific evidence for a global flood that once destroyed the whole earth? As for the Noah's flood the mythtical event only happened in the pages of the bible. If you have any evidence to show that it happened outside the pages of the bible then pls bring it on.

mazaje:

Do you have any flood stories from the Egyptians that say only Noah and his family survived a global flood that destroyed the whole earth? Do you have any scientific evidence for a global flood that once destroyed the whole earth? As for the Noah's flood the mythtical event only happened in the pages of the bible. If you have any evidence to show that it happened outside the pages of the bible then pls bring it on.

I'm not interested in convincing you of anything oh!

Feel free to hold on to your opinion.

If you find research for or against, then kudos.

tpia.:

I'm not interested in convincing you of anything oh!

Feel free to hold on to your opinion.

If you find research for or against, then kudos.

Why the back pedelling? I thought you began by addressing us as confused people. . . .who now is confused amongst us. . . . you that believe in a story that has absolutely NO evidence at all to support it both historically and scientifically or we that call it the myth that it truly is?he. . . . Again if you have any evidence that shows that the Noah's flood happened outside the pages of the bible pls bring it on. . .

mazaje:

Why the back pedelling? I thought you began by addressing us as confused people. . . .who now is confused amongst us. . . . you that believe in a story that has absolutely NO evidence at all to support it both historically and scientifically or we that call it the myth that it truly is?he. . . . Again if you have any evidence that shows that the Noah's flood happened outside the pages of the bible pls bring it on. . .

so you're hurt at being called confused?

Was that the only part of my post you noticed?

what about ventilation in the ark ? there was only one window

tpia.:

so you're hurt at being called confused?

Was that the only part of my post you noticed?

No, not at all. . . .I asked you if you have have any flood stories from the Egyptians that say only Noah and his family survived a global flood that destroyed the whole earth? If you do pls bring it on . . . . . if you don't then why did you bring it up in the first place?

mazaje:


No, not at all. . . .I asked you if you have have any flood stories from the Egyptians that say only Noah and his family survived a global flood that destroyed the whole earth? If you do pls bring it on . . . . . if you don't then why did you bring it up in the first place?

read with your eyes open

tpia.:

now somebody is asking why Babylonian and Egyptian mythologies dont mention a flood.

If they hear of flood stories from the same babylon and Egypt, they'll say thats where the Genesis account came from.


Confused set of confusionists, imo.

Always arguing in circles.

I'm not interested in proving or disproving any Egyptian or babylonian flood story.

kapish?

what about ventilation in the ark ? there was only one window

Good question. The amounts of methane and carbon dioxide gas given off by all the animals on board would have made it totally impossible to beathe.
According to the story, the window was only there for the giraffe to stick its head out of.

Another question: What did they use for lighting inside the ark? To use oil lamps with all that methane around would have explosive results.

tpia.:

read with your eyes open

OK baby I will read with my eyes open. . . . . . . .

I'm not interested in proving or disproving any Egyptian or babylonian flood story.

kapish?

What is this? can you even prove the mythical flood you subscribe to