I was having a discussion with a friend of mine yesterday, and after showing him the Hadith where it says Satan urinates in people's ears, and hides in their noses, he made me understand that 'not all hadith's are authentic'. Interesting. He further educated me, saying that the Hadiths are not 100% accurate, that they were written after their beloved prophet's death. He said the Qur'an is the only 100% authentic truth. Now, lets imagine for a few seconds that that's true. If so, why are the Hadith's still a part of Islam? He said you have to compare the Hadiths to the Quran before you take them seriously. Here's analogy:
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If you are preparing for an exam (life), and you have the marking guide (the Qur'an) and you also have the answer sheets of an average student (the Hadith's) why would you even use the student's answer sheets to prepare? Why not discard it completely and use the marking guide alone? In the Hadith's, there are so many violent, and ridiculous verses that can be 'misinterpreted' as you claim. Instead of allowing the Hadith's to cause confusion, why not get rid of them and focus on the Quran? I read another ridiculous Hadith's saying you are allowed to dye your hair every color except black And one saying Satan farts when they call to prayer is made so that he can't hear the sound. The Hadith's of Bukhari Vol 4 book 52 contain two deadly violent statements.
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If you have everything you need to know in the Quran, why are you still holding on to the Hadiths?? What is the purpose behind that?? If you are simply ignoring the violence in the Hadiths then all I can say is that Islam has malicious, evil intentions.
Muslims come out in droves to protest against cartoons depicting their forever censored prophet, but care less about serious issues like this.

**NB: This particular friend says he sees nothing wrong with having sex with a 9yo girl as long as she has reached puberty.

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To understand the Quran you need the commentary of the Quran. Who the Quran is revealed to? To Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Who understand the Quran Better?

The Quran say Follow Prophet peace be upon him. meaning follow his teaching, explanations, etc. He is in better position to explain the Quran for you, because the Quran was revealed to him.


O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result Quran 4:59


If anyone in anywhere thinks he understand the Qur'an without better than the prophet explanation (Hadith), such person have fool himself, such person has wage war against the teaching of prophet pbum.

Any person who claims he understand Quran Better than Muhammad (SAW) explanation should find himself in hell fire. And he has no one to blame but himself.

But if u could remember Allah promise to guide the Quran. Hadith is the explanation of Quran, do you think Allah will allow wrong explanation to Quran? The answer is no. The Islamic religion is perfect and Allah will not allow imperfection in his Book.

"...This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Quran 5:3

’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Al-Hijr –Stone land-:9)

Not all Hadith are Authentic, only Authentic Hadith are used by Muslims, Authentic Hadith are written down and non Authentic Hadith are also written down.

There are criteria hadith must pass before being authenticated by scholars


Anyone who says I understand the message (Qur'an) without it complementary (Hadith). So he should answer this questions.

Where do you learn how to perform ablution, how to pray? Who tell you Friday prayer is 2 raakat? How do you learn how to burry Muslim when he died?


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Let me spread my mat and read their lies here.

I am happy for you. You are always interested in Islam. We found you in must Islamic thread. You like to listen to the Truth. I pray one day you accept the truth or the truth will continue to hurt you.

Friendchoice : who wrote the hadiths?

AnonyNymous:
Friendchoice : who wrote the hadiths?

Hadith the i.e Muhammad pbum explanations and teaching where compiled into large collection immediately after the passage of 4 Rightful Chalips of Islam.

FriendChoice:


Hadith the i.e Muhammad pbum explanations and teaching where compiled into large collection immediately after the passage of 4 Rightful Chalips of Islam.

So, you believe that some hadiths are fake and some are good. I think that's a convenient way to be able to disavow any teaching that's no longer socially acceptable, by labelling them as fake. I'd like to hear your opinion on Mohamed and his marriage to nine year old girl.

AnonyNymous:

So, you believe that some hadiths are fake and some are good. I think that's a convenient way to be able to disavow any teaching that's no longer socially acceptable, by labelling them as fake. I'd like to hear your opinion on Mohamed and his marriage to nine year old girl.

Do you read my first reply I said authentic Hadith are written down and non Authenticated Hadith also. So you cannot come and say authentic hadith is fake or you take unauthenticated hadith and call it authentic is not possible. They are all in books, so you don't need to suffer yourself this is authenticated or not. Only authenticated hadith are used. Concerning Marriage @9 am already typing it, wait for me.

AnonyNymous Concerning marital appears in Islam, it defends on the time, place and nature of maturity of a person. If person reach puberty it's permissible. I just quote this from my previous explanation, if you want it in details, I will share the link with you.

One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now, times have changed and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, and rather they were considered young women back then.

It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago. Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts, historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history.

Even in Indo-Pak Sub-Continent girls used to be married at 12-13 even 50-60 years ago. And those ‘girls’ infact raised much better families. There were less family problems then. A simple analyses of the divorce rate then and know would certainly make it clear that maturity level earlier used to be different i.e. people used to come of age rather quickly.

Below are ages accepted for marriage in the past by country name Deleware give their daughters hand in marriage @only 7 years old in 1880 as seen in the pics below. Just less than 150 years back.

FriendChoice:


Hadith the i.e Muhammad pbum explanations and teaching where compiled into large collection immediately after the passage of 4 Rightful Chalips of Islam.

Lets make an analogy. There's a hadith saying yawning is from Satan. Right now, even if its grouped among authentic (or fakee) hadiths, its generally seen as ridiculous to believe that yawning, a natural process that keeps you alive is from Satan. Isn't it really convenient for you to just decide what is good and bad based on mankind's current perception of things? If a scientific journal is produced today saying that yawning has negative effects on the body, muslims like you will jump at the opportunity to affirm that your beliefs were correct. The same beliefs that are generally regarded as ridiculous today. Ok, let me ask you first off, Do you believe that yawning is from 'Satan'?

FriendChoice:
AnonyNymous Concerning marital appears in Islam, it defends on the time, place and nature of maturity of a person. If person reach puberty it's permissible. I just quote this from my previous explanation, if you want it in details, I will share the link with you.





Below are ages accepted for marriage in the past by country name Deleware give their daughters hand in marriage @only 7 years old in 1880 as seen in the pics below. Just less than 150 years back.

Now, if you accepted that the concepts of morality were evolving, then I will agree with your reply. However, Islam is of the belief that the supernatural god of the universe directly gave knowledge to Mohamed through an angel, and this your god, is supposed to be all-knowing. The other communities you listed at the time could have done so out of ignorance, until they progressed and were able to realise that a girl of that age is not psychologically able to handle the burden of marriage. This is something your god is supposed to have known. In fact, itd have made more sense to everyone if the realization (about pedophilia) was made known to manby your god. But your god saw nothing wrong with it, and he's supposed to be all knowing. Let me ask, can you, as a person get married to a nine year old girl who has reached puberty if its legal?


**Of all the states you listed, Delaware is from southern America, and there is still the general stigma associated with southern states of being sexually perverted. So yes, there is stigma.


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AnonyNymous:

Lets make an analogy. There's a hadith saying yawning is from Satan. Right now, even if its grouped among authentic (or fakee) hadiths, its generally seen as ridiculous to believe that yawning, a natural process that keeps you alive is from Satan. Isn't it really convenient for you to just decide what is good and bad based on mankind's current perception of things? If a scientific journal is produced today saying that yawning has negative effects on the body, muslims like you will jump at the opportunity to affirm that your beliefs were correct. The same beliefs that are generally regarded as ridiculous today. Ok, let me ask you first off, Do you believe that yawning is from 'Satan'?

Abu Saeed Khudri (RA) reports that the Prophet (Pbuh) said : “One should try utmost to avoid yawning as the Satan enters into mouth at that time.” [Saheeh Muslim]

One should try to close his mouth as Satan enters when yawning. What's wrong in it sir. It did no say Satan is the one who opens your mouth.

FriendChoice:



Abu Saeed Khudri (RA) reports that the Prophet (Pbuh) said : “One should try utmost to avoid yawning as the Satan enters into mouth at that time.” [Saheeh Muslim]

One should try to close his mouth as Satan enters when yawning. What's wrong in it sir. It did no say Satan is the one who opens your mouth.

ok, this is absolutely ridiculous to me. Satan enters the mouth when yawning? And then does what? Feeds on food in the middle of your teeth?

Muhammad said that yawning is from Satan.
The Prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him." Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509: Narrated Abu Huraira:
Muhammad said that yawning is from Satan and that Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning.
The Prophet said, "Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning, so if someone sneezes and then praises Allah, then it is obligatory on every Muslim who heard him, to say: May Allah be merciful to you (Yar-hamuka-l-lah). But as regards yawning, it is from Satan, so one must try one's best to stop it, if one says 'Ha' when yawning, Satan will laugh at him." Volume 8, Book 73, Number 242: Narrated Abu Huraira: See also Volume 8, Book 73, Number 245:, Narrated Abu Huraira:

AnonyNymous:

Now, if you accepted that the concepts of morality were evolving, then I will agree with your reply. However, Islam is of the belief that the supernatural god of the universe directly gave knowledge to Mohamed through an angel, and this your god, is supposed to be all-knowing. The other communities you listed at the time could have done so out of ignorance, until they progressed and were able to realise that a girl of that age is not psychologically able to handle the burden of marriage. This is something your god is supposed to have known. In fact, itd have made more sense to everyone if the realization (about pedophilia) was made known to manby your god. But your god saw nothing wrong with it, and he's supposed to be all knowing. Let me ask, can you, as a person get married to a nine year old girl who has reached puberty if its legal?


**Of all the states you listed, Delaware is from southern America, and there is still the general stigma associated with southern states of being sexually perverted. So yes, there is stigma.

God did not narrow age in marriage because he created us differently, it was not done out of ignorance before, its simply the girls are matured at the time.

I don't know the age a girl reach puberty now in Nigeria. If its nine, why not?

FriendChoice:



God did not narrow age in marriage because he created us differently, it was not done out of ignorance before, its simply the girls are matured at the time.

I don't know the age a girl reach puberty now in Nigeria. If its nine, why not?

Wow. You have no problem with that? I think I'm done here.

AnonyNymous:

ok, this is absolutely ridiculous to me. Satan enters the mouth when yawning? And then does what? Feeds on food in the middle of your teeth?

Would you like Satan to enter your mouth whether will eat food or not. I need yes or no answer? Satan is our enemy he enters peoples heart and make them do bad things. So why should we allow him closer to us.

Indeed, Satan is an enemy to you; so take
him as an enemy. He only invites his party to be among the companions of the Blaze. Qur'an 3:56

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This man here believes that if a girl's physical features have matured by the time she is nine years old, as long as its legal, he can have sexual intercourse with her

FriendChoice:


Would you like Satan to enter your mouth whether will eat food or not. I need yes or no answer? Satan is our enemy he enters peoples heart and make them do bad things. So why should we allow him closer to us.

Indeed, Satan is an enemy to you; so take
him as an enemy. He only invites his party to be among the companions of the Blaze. Qur'an 3:56

This is amusing
please sir, how many people's mouths have you seen this imaginary satan entering
In all your years that you've been alive, there HAS to be somebody that has been a 'reckless yawner'
Please did you personally see Satan entering their mouths

AnonyNymous:

This is amusing
please sir, how many people's mouths have you seen this imaginary satan entering
In all your years that you've been alive, there HAS to be somebody that has been a 'reckless yawner'
Please did you personally see Satan entering their mouths

Am not here for useless argument sir, it looks to me you don't believe in God neither you believe Satan exist.

First I think you're Christian here to ask question, but I can see that's not your agenda. You come here to play and argue. If that is the case am done with you.

Do you see Satan (Devil) ? if you continue like this, am done with replying you.

AnonyNymous:

This is amusing
please sir, how many people's mouths have you seen this imaginary satan entering
In all your years that you've been alive, there HAS to be somebody that has been a 'reckless yawner'
Please did you personally see Satan entering their mouths

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All this useless religious books propagating propaganda.

Islam is the worst of all.

It's better to be an atheist than to be a Christian or Muslim.

FriendChoice:


Am not here for useless argument sir, it looks to me you don't believe in God neither you believe Satan exist.

First I think you're Christian here to ask question, but I can see that's not your agenda. You come here to play and argue. If that is the case am done with you.

Do you see Satan (Devil) ? if you continue like this, am done with replying you.

I think he's an atheist.

FriendChoice:


Am not here for useless argument sir, it looks to me you don't believe in God neither you believe Satan exist.

First I think you're Christian here to ask question, but I can see that's not your agenda. You come here to play and argue. If that is the case am done with you.

Do you see Satan (Devil) ? if you continue like this, am done with replying you.

One of your kind raped my thread telling me to find out about islam. I found more and more ridiculousness and you've just confirmed it to me. I actually for a moment thought there was some sanity in your religion

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I think he's an atheist.

I thought he was a Christian at first, am not ready to waste my time on him right know. I have more important things 2 do than to engage in his argument. Perhaps he believes he created himself, so he is god himself.