BornStunner1:
FACTS ABOUT THE YORUBAS AKA AFONJAS

( 1 ) . Their story of kingship began with Edo prince and the Benin recorded History . ( 2 ) . Ayayi crawder said, little were know about yoruba existence, meaning they were not part of Nigeria of today boarder or were in small settlement close to dahomy. yoruba are half muslims and those with African traditions copied or got them from Benin civilization . I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy mix with Benins or other fulani- hausa from Niger . Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c . 1809 – 31 December 1891 ) Was the first African Anglican bishop in Nigeria . Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State , Nigeria ) . His grandson was Herbert Macaulay ( 3 ) . Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process highly politized to being traditional . A system they try copy from Benin but can 't get it real like the Benin Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered institutions in the world because of the way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour , discipline and integrity . Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be bought or conferred on non- indigenes or frivolously . Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make sense , therefore , to think that a people who would not and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non- indigenes, would voluntarily invite , accept, or surrender to non- indigenes as their kings . Due to celestial origins , the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be diverted from full time palace duties to hustle for contracts . ( 4 ) . Most of today yoruba religion are Benin Origin , Olokun , Ogun , Iha oguega (ifa ) , oronmila, Esago (shango ) , Ayelala etc . Many Benin traditions and spirituality are stillfully documented by yorubas in high places as YORUBA ? (Never mind the Edo man ' s christian mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with African traditional religion , agreeing they are foriegn to Edoland . . . LIE ) . Although the Great Edo ( Benin ) Kingdom were not major participants in the trans- Atlantic slave trade , because the Obas (Kings ) believed that their subjects were too valuable to sell away , and their noblemen had need of war captives on their own farms , the influence of Edo religion and medicine has still been substantial upon the people of the Americas . According to Mason (1996 ) , it has been widely accepted that Olokun ( god of the sea ) worship originated with the Edo and spread to the Yoruba ( p. 2) . In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural traditions that has made its mark in the New World is Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters ) worship originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent at Ughoton around the Ethiope ( Olokun) River . The priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the time . Some of the possible points of contact happened early. During the Ogiso Period , trade with the Yoruba and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may have spread to those areas through traders . Prior to the Oba Period , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton , before his moving westward with his followers to establish Ilefe ( Ero , 1999 , p . 108- 109) . Once he arrived , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo traditions to those areas and was a King of his new community called Ilefe , which could be what yoruba call IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa ’ s loins , the Yoruba dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the outlying Yoruba areas.

TRASH!

Who is Oba Ewuare 1 ?

I stopped reading your trash when I see Herbert Macaulay was Ajayi Crowther grandson

BornStunner1:
FACTS ABOUT THE YORUBAS AKA AFONJAS


( 1 ) . Their story of
kingship began with Edo
prince and the Benin
recorded History .
( 2 ) . Ayayi crawder said,
little were know about
yoruba existence,
meaning they were not
part of Nigeria of today
boarder or were in small
settlement close to
dahomy. yoruba are half
muslims and those with
African traditions copied or got them from Benin
civilization . I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy
mix with Benins or other fulani- hausa from Niger
. Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c . 1809 – 31
December 1891 ) Was the first African Anglican bishop
in Nigeria . Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local
Government, Oyo State , Nigeria ) . His grandson was
Herbert Macaulay
( 3 ) . Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process
highly politized to being traditional . A system they try
copy from Benin but can 't get it real like the Benin
Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered
institutions in the world because of the way it has
sustained its awesome prestige with strict and
meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour ,
discipline and integrity . Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be
bought or conferred on non- indigenes or frivolously .
Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty
and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make
sense , therefore , to think that a people who would not
and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-
indigenes, would voluntarily invite , accept, or surrender
to non- indigenes as their kings . Due to celestial
origins , the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle
for contracts .
( 4 ) . Most of today
yoruba religion are
Benin Origin , Olokun ,
Ogun , Iha oguega (ifa ) ,
oronmila, Esago
(shango ) , Ayelala etc .
Many Benin traditions
and spirituality are
stillfully documented by
yorubas in high places
as YORUBA ? (Never mind the Edo man ' s christian
mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with
African traditional religion , agreeing they are foriegn to
Edoland . . . LIE ) .
Although the Great Edo ( Benin ) Kingdom were not major
participants in the trans- Atlantic slave trade , because
the Obas (Kings ) believed that their subjects were too
valuable to sell away , and their noblemen had need of
war captives on their own farms , the influence of Edo
religion and medicine has still been substantial upon
the people of the Americas .
According to Mason (1996 ) , it has been widely
accepted that Olokun ( god of the sea ) worship
originated with the Edo and spread to the Yoruba ( p. 2) .
In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural
traditions that has made its mark in the New World is
Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters ) worship
originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent
at Ughoton around the Ethiope ( Olokun) River . The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time . Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period , trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders . Prior to the
Oba Period , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into
Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton ,
before his moving westward with his followers to
establish Ilefe ( Ero , 1999 , p . 108- 109) .
Once he arrived , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe , which could be what yoruba call
IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa ’ s loins , the Yoruba
dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that
Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the
outlying Yoruba areas.

Oba Ewuare1 was great to the binis but the Esan regarded him as Ewuare the selfish.

LifeDrama:
Royal Majesty Picked The Name Ewuare ll

"Oba Ewuare ll N'Ogidigan!"
Oba khato okpere Ise!

Source: http://lifedrama.com.ng/benin-coronation-his-royal-majesty-picked-the-name-oba-ewuare-ll-nogidigan/

That's means he welcomes the spirit and wisdom of the first Ewuare to lead and guide him as he ascends the throne.

timilehing:
I hope he doesn't end up being a political king

Lolss our Oba's do not meddle in political issues unless of course they are consulted

janellemonae:


Lol! Kp deceiving urself. The funny thing is dt Yorubas & binis have never bn antagonistic towards each other in their history. They always saw each other as brothers. But these biafrauds bring strife into every conversation in order to spread their hateful propaganda.

But your first post on this tread clearly shows u as what u described above "antagonistic" ..there's clearly something wrong with ur wiring

Shymm3xx:


Lol. This isn;t about supremacy - just extending a hand in brotherhood.

Anyway, Olukun isn't a deity of Eastern Yoruba folks. It's more of an Ife and coastal Yoruba deity. And since Bini is landlocked, the worship of Olukun either came directly from Ife or one of the coastal Yorubas. And I'm leaning towards Ife.

Evidently, if it's Ife - that adds credence to the Yoruba side of the story, just as the Ogiso family confirmed. Revisionism is a bad thing. At the end of the day, the same crown extended to Itsekiris, who're also mostly Yorubas in terms of ancestry.

Your ignorance stinks!

musakanti:
Oba Ewuare1 was great to the binis but the Esan regarded him as Ewuare the selfish.

Well, that is normal. Queen Victoria is revered in England but her govt ordered invasion of Benin in 1897. Do you expect Benin people to consider her great?

Na so.

Life is Osondi, Owendi.

Shekau is a villain to we 9ja people but a hero to bloodthirsty terrorists.

Same with Julius Caesar. The Gauls would not idolise him nor would Persians/Iranians idolise Alexander of Macedon The Great.

BornStunner1:
,Ooni of Ife in Benin to meet his Fore Father CHAII YORUBA PPL NORGET SHAME

And why he go get shame there is an everlasting bond b/w Ife and Bini and none of all your senseless posts can change that...narrow minded kids everywhere.. u guys can Learn a thing or two from the few sensible posters here other than fight over nothing but promote ur blockheaded ideas

SaffronSpice:

Oba has been in use before the exiled Oduduwa(as you claim) got to Ife.
Who did Oduduwa meet at Ife?
Oba-tala.

And b4 oduduwa and obatala was born there was obagodo in benin.

Ubenedictus:
And b4 oduduwa and obatala was born there was obagodo in benin.

proof?

macof:



and what are the findings from your search? how can you convince us that Olokun Oba loju omi, Olokun iba, fun mi l'ore is from Bini?

U guys simply adopted olokun and added ur own stuff.

nelronaldo:

No one is saying the throne isn't linked to Yoruba.. we are only saying Ekaladeran Izoduwa (Oduduwa) was a prince before he left for Ile Ife (Where the dull people believe he fell down from heaven). The Bini's sent for him when we had no ruler and he sent his son Oranmiyan.
Our point is your Oduduwa didn't fall from heaven (even Jesus Christ didn't fall from heaven).
Using common sense, the Yoruba's didn't conquer the Benin Kingdom and then impose a king on us, we requested for Oduduwa, we wouldn't do such if he had no relationship to the throne.
Like the Oba said, we can't force you guys to believe Oduduwa was from Benin.

I see.

SaffronSpice:
proof?

You can read d list of ogiso in benin, that was before oduduwa.

1stCitizen:
I have read both the Yoruba and Bini accounts. The Benin account makes more sense while the Yoruba account defies logic.

Ekaladeran Izoduwa being a Bini prince must have arrived Ile-Ife dressed in Bini Princely attire. The long journey made him tired and decided to sleep underneath some shade. He was found sleeping by primitive Ife hunters.

Benin being way more of an advanced society means these attires were viewed in primitive Ife as heavenly and divine.

The hunters thought this celestial looking being who spoke a foreign language dressed in shining gold and ivory must be a gift from heaven and dropped down to rule over them.

Boom! Izoduwa became King and his name mispronounced as Oduduwa.

The Binis lost their King and decided to trace his descendant. They arrived Ife but Izoduwa refused to leave as he was deemed a god-King by the Yorubas. Rather he sent his young son Oramiyan with the same bloodline who the Binis crowned King.

No one has ever fallen from heaven. I believe the Bini version because Benin has documented every detail of all their rulers till date while that of the Yoruba is not but based on folklore.

This is from a neutral party. I am not Bini or Yoruba.

some igbo people ehn... your hate for yoruba is legendary

so this is the logically bullshit you had?

ife people were never considered primitive in the way you like to think. ..and certainly that's not how oduduwa became king of ife...stop your comedy

also, there's a difference between the oduduwa the Ebora from heaven that created the world and Oduduwa the king of ife. .. two different characters mixed up by early reporters of the oduduwa personality

Ubenedictus:
U guys simply adopted olokun and added ur own stuff.

you are one of the dumbest bini fellows I have encountered.

I asked what are your findings from your research and you spam my mentions with this bullshit? no chants? no recorded report, not even the meaning of the name "olokun" nothing smh

damned inferiority complex

macof:



some igbo people ehn... your hate for yoruba is legendary

so this is the logically bullshit you had?

ife people were never considered primitive in the way you like to think. ..and certainly that's not how oduduwa became king of ife...stop your comedy

also, there's a difference between the oduduwa the Ebora from heaven that created the world and Oduduwa the king of ife. .. two different characters mixed up by early reporters of the oduduwa personality

"oduduwa the Ebora from heaven"



" that created the world"

1stCitizen:

"oduduwa the Ebora from heaven"

" that created the world"

Yes. . if you have a problem with that, it only means you are not bright

macof:


Yes. . if you have a problem with that, it only means you are not bright

Oduduwa fell from heaven and created the world.

Africans never fail to amaze even themselves with such daft ideas.

It's an aberration for you to be alive in this century for thinking someone ever fell from heaven.What a primitive way of reasoning. Please kill yourself for you do not belong here.

1stCitizen:


Oduduwa fell from heaven and created the world.

Africans never fail to amaze even themselves with such daft ideas.

It's an aberration for you to be alive in this century for thinking someone ever fell from heaven.What a primitive way of reasoning. Please kill yourself for you do not belong here.

smh. didn't you comprehend my last post? I said oduduwa the king. .the actual human being didn't come from heaven. He came from the north east of Ile-Ife. ..scholars have suggested Oke-Ora. ..not mecca that early Muslims were claiming, and most scholars don't take the Ekalederhan story seriously..

ancient cultures from greeks to mayans, yoruba to Japanese have tried to understand the creation of the world. ..and they express their understanding through myths rich in personification. ... Oduduwa that created the world is not a "someone" but an Ebora

I'm not going down this road again with you, if you don't understand you ask not act wise when you are only foolish

macof:


.. ... Oduduwa that created the world is not a "someone" but an Ebora

What a clown Please take my earlier advice.

macof:



some igbo people ehn... your hate for yoruba is legendary

so this is the logically bullshit you had?

ife people were never considered primitive in the way you like to think. ..and certainly that's not how oduduwa became king of ife...stop your comedy

also, there's a difference between the oduduwa the Ebora from heaven that created the world and Oduduwa the king of ife. .. two different characters mixed up by early reporters of the oduduwa personality

Thank you! It's so common for ignorant people to come forward and spill gibberish while claiming to be experts on Yoruba history. All the Oduduwa came from Benin, came from Igboland, Oduduwa is the corruption of Izoduwa, Oduduwa was a Benin prince, Olokun was borrowed by the Yorubas, etc etc nonsense are so unappetising. I must commend you for your patience in taking time to respond to some of the unteachable lots whose comments you reply to frequently. Keep it up; you are doing a great service to humanity.

Ubenedictus:
U guys simply adopted olokun and added ur own stuff.

And what does "olokun" mean to you? Little time now you'd claim 'olorun' is also not Yoruba. It was folks like you that were claiming 'oba' is not a Yoruba word not too long ago. You guys amaze me!

Ubenedictus:
You can read d list of ogiso in benin, that was before oduduwa.

we are talking 'bout obatala not oduduwa here.

And b4 oduduwa and obatala was born there was obagodo in benin.

the above's your post.i asked 4 a proof,and you are telling me to check the list of the ogisos.
You must know the age of obatala for you to conclude that the ogisos are far older;how old is/was obatala ?

SaffronSpice:

we are talking 'bout obatala not oduduwa here.

the above's your post.i asked 4 a proof,and you are telling me to check the list of the ogisos.
You must know the age of obatala for you to conclude that the ogisos are far older;how old is/was obatala ?

Unless obatala was over 200yrs old then obagodo certainly exist long before obatala was born. i see u didnt bother to check d list of ogiso.

Ghost01:
And what does "olokun" mean to you? Little time now you'd claim 'olorun' is also not Yoruba. It was folks like you that were claiming 'oba' is not a Yoruba word not too long ago. You guys amaze me!

Olokun in benin means owner of d ocean, ol'(o) is owner, okun is ocean.

OBA IS certainly benin, it means to shine, omo n'oba is the son that shines.

macof:


you are one of the dumbest bini fellows I have encountered.

I asked what are your findings from your research and you spam my mentions with this bullshit? no chants? no recorded report, not even the meaning of the name "olokun" nothing smh

damned inferiority complex

I know u are so small that u will have to bring a polite discussion down to insults! Instead of simply asking for a chant u had to insult me because of d smallness of ur mind.

The chants u seek can be found here on nairaland d guy with d username babalawo recently opened a thread on olokun with bini chants. U can check it out. If u were looking for written works u could have simply typed olokun into any search engine.
And if u are going to continue with ur usual insult kindly dont mention me.

Ubenedictus:
Unless obatala was over 200yrs old then obagodo certainly exist long before obatala was born. i see u didnt bother to check d list of ogiso.

lol,your assumptions are really funny.
provide the dates of birth of obatala and the first ogiso and compare them here .
I don't need 2 check anything.
Post it here and tell me how it supports your claim.

Ubenedictus:
Olokun in benin means owner of d ocean, ol'(o) is owner, okun is ocean.

OBA IS certainly benin, it means to shine, omo n'oba is the son that shines.

You really are a comedian. And what do 'olokun' and 'oba' mean in Yoruba?

Ghost01:
You really are a comedian. And what do 'olokun' and 'oba' mean in Yoruba?

how dat one take concern me? someone claimed olokun and oba arent legitimate benin words, i showed they are, weytim concern me with d yoruba meaning?

SaffronSpice:

lol,your assumptions are really funny.
provide the dates of birth of obatala and the first ogiso and compare them here .
I don't need 2 check anything.
Post it here and tell me how it supports your claim.

Obagodo is dated BC i.e before christ, the historical obatala was about d time of oduduwa which puts him at 1000AD, Between them there is about 1000yrs.