ShiaMuslim:


There's no goalpost change.

Stop denying your clerics.

And above is the profile of Sheikh Abdul Aziz al Tarifi. He's Wahhabi and works for the Saudi government. And he was student of Ibn Baaz.

I am talking of Sunni Wahhabis/Salafis. Not the generality of Sunnis whose stance is known.

Tell us your central doctrine. Let us know it. Stop hiding behind your fingers.

Demmzy15:
Is it that your head is too impervious that nothing can enter again? He's not a salafee, salafees are united upon the prohibition of suicide bombings. I don't care if he's a student, he's teacher prohibited it so why should we follow his student?

One of the men who seized Makkah in the 1970s was a former student of Ibn Baz(rahimahullah) who went rogue, so how does that concern him? Yasser Qadhi was a former salafee in fact he was a staunch opposer of Shias, but now he's a supporter and even speaks against the salafees. So I seriously don't get your point!

Na waoo, you've switched to another account, we're waiting for crossbreka, uplawal, shialagos, lagosshia and all those your alternate accounts to storm here.

Lemme make this clear to you, I'm not BetaThings, be reasonable for once.

lexiconkabir:


The most glaring way to know is to check here on NL and see who supports suicide bombing, readers should check his post and the salafee brothers here, people will find out that only SHIAMUSLIM AND HIS ALTERNATES JUSTIFIES SUICIDE BOMBING HERE, SO WHAT HIS HE TRYING TO PROVE?

Asin I just don't get, see the way he was almost doing "Matam" here! Opening he's brown teeth and inviting is alternates!

Demmzy15:
Asin I just don't get, see the way he was almost doing "Matam" here! Opening he's brown teeth and inviting is alternates!

lexiconkabir:


The most glaring way to know is to check here on NL and see who supports suicide bombing, readers should check his post and the salafee brothers here, people will find out that only SHIAMUSLIM AND HIS ALTERNATES JUSTIFIES SUICIDE BOMBING HERE, SO WHAT HIS HE TRYING TO PROVE?

Demmzy15:
Is it that your head is too impervious that nothing can enter again? He's not a salafee, salafees are united upon the prohibition of suicide bombings. I don't care if he's a student, he's teacher prohibited it so why should we follow his student?

One of the men who seized Makkah in the 1970s was a former student of Ibn Baz(rahimahullah) who went rogue, so how does that concern him? Yasser Qadhi was a former salafee in fact he was a staunch opposer of Shias, but now he's a supporter and even speaks against the salafees. So I seriously don't get your point!

Na waoo, you've switched to another account, we're waiting for crossbreka, uplawal, shialagos, lagosshia and all those your alternate accounts to storm here.

Lemme make this clear to you, I'm not BetaThings, be reasonable for once.

lexiconkabir:
whoever has a good network should pls watch the video and tell us if what shiamuslim claim about al-tarifi is true..

cc: friendchoice, Rabiushile04, demmzy15.

ShiaMuslim:


were you conceived from contaminated semen? i really wonder whhy your head(s) is so blocked that you have to resort to blackmail and character assassination to win sympathy of who exactly?

i support self-defense by an oppressed people through whatever means. i oppose killing innocent people through whatever means including the suicide bombing by your wahhabi brothers in iraq targeting Shia and in other countries targeting Christians and other faiths on the basis of takfiri killings of innocent people.

your blackmail will not work. your political fatwa by clerics in saudi employed by the govt. opposing "suicide bombing"/"martyrdom operation" will not work. i am only bringing up the views of scholars from your cult because you aim to use this contentious issue to blackmail the Shia and in particular Shia scholars as the proponent of "suicide bombing" while in reality the Shia, more than anyone, are the victims of wahhabi takfiri suicide bombing. you want to turn yellow into pink and blue into red. i am bring out the views of religious scholars. what is the take of Islam on this issue. this is no issue of justifying because i am not a scholar. let the scholars speak for what Islam says. and your lies have been exposed by your own pseudo-scholars. you all are confused apparently and frustrated on this thread.

there are salafists/wahhabi who do not conform to saudi employed clerics. and even Tarifi is a saudi govt employee whose view is different from the rest and listen to his video till the end. he stated it in clear unambiguous language that in certain situations "suicide bombing" or rather, what is referred to as "martyrdom operations" is justified ( "yajooz" ). i am not the one supporting "suicide bombing" or what is referred to as "martyrdom operations". i am not a scholar. i only succeed in exposing your lies and presenting the views of Islamic scholars across the sectarian spectrum on the issue, both Shia and Sunnis including Wahhabis/Salafis. Islam is not your father's property or Ibn Baaz's property. there is no monopoly on Islam. examine the views of religious scholars across the sectarian divide.

my stance is merely a response to another BLACKMAIL by BetaThing who keeps regurgitating falsehood that Shia are the first to use "suicide bombing" and Wahhabis are angels of oppose it; trying to paint the image of Shia black because of this issue, while you are the worse and your cult members do not only use it against combatants, but against civilians of other faiths in takfiri killings. stop your blackmail. face your bloodsucking ideology which passes verdict of unbelief on other Muslims and aims to eliminate the whole of humanity if mankind do not follow wahhabism. it is wahhabis, to the admission of wahhabi cleric Kalbani, who form ISIS and constantly attack civilians of other faiths.

you have no fear of Allah. your sole aim is to uphold the cultism you practice even through blackmail, lies, misinterpretation of the beliefs of others and their words to the extent of denying your own clerics etc.

this thread has exposed your falsity, your cult, and your lies and most importantly, your ignorance and blindness. I AWAIT YOUR DEFINITION OF WHO IS A SALAFI/WAHHABI AND WHO IS NOT AND BASED ON WHAT CENTRAL DOCTRINE.

present to us the doctrine that makes one a salafi/wahhabi. you cannot say it is opposition to "suicide bombing" because when your cult was formed, there was nothing as suicide bombing or "martyrdom operation".

again, your blackmail and lies will avail you no good. i wont ask you to fear Allah because you do not fear Him. i am telling you to see your lies and confusion and save your souls from misguidance and a takfiri death cult. if you start using blackmail and lies, that wont make other do the same because you lack truth.

those who live in a glass house should not throw stones. you opened a thread on "suicide bombing" to blackmail the Shia and Iran. now you are biting your fingers. you are lost and cannot defend your clerics. you are disowning them.

ShiaMuslim:


fantastic. this is good. now you are talking.

when you confirm, i expect an apology from you guys for your blackmail on this controversial issue.

lexiconkabir:


even if he did, it doesn't prove anything, his teacher condemned it, and we follow the salafs not tarifi.

lexiconkabir:


honestly i stopped at "I support self defence through whatever means" yani even one defends himself by killing himself a k.a suicide bombing, thank you for proving all we've been saying all along

ShiaMuslim:


it does prove something. it disproves your blackmail against the Shia as a whole and against me personally that your scholars are all "angels" who oppose this contentious issue. i am still waiting eagerly for your to tell us the criteria for what makes one salafi/wahhabi. i am waiting. then we will see what takes one out of your wahhabi cult.

so Ibn Baaz is your "prophet". anyone who goes contrary to his view is not a Salafi/Wahhabi.

the same thing is how you people place divinity on Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahab, and some notorious Sahabas. when will you reason clearly that those were fallible men and can make mistake and can be opposed and differing with them does not make you anything less in God's eye?

lexiconkabir:


what makes one a salafi is understanding the Qur'an and sunnah exactly the way the salafs understood it, part of it is not killing yourself.

was it only ibn baaz that condemned suicide bombing? the salafs condemned killing of oneself, which suicide bombing is one of it..

what can solve this issue is, [size=12pt]BRING A SINGLE SHIA SCHOLAR WHO CONDEMNED SUICIDE BOMBING JUST AS HOW WE HAVE "WAHHABIS" THAT CONDEMNED IT[/b]

ShiaMuslim:


give us a copy of that your "understanding", because from the look of things, Salafis/Wahhabis differ among themselves so much that they resort to denying themselves of the label.

is there a book of that understanding written by the Salaf?

can you give us a list of those Salaf?

you just cannot tell us that Salafis are those who understand the Quran and Sunnah the way the Salaf do and still deny men who also claim that understanding. that your definition of a Salafi is not definite and uncertain.

a Muslim is one who utters the Shahadatain and believes it in his heart. this is something definite. i want something concrete.

refer us to the copy of that understanding of the salaf and give us their names.

Ibn Baaz was the chief employee cleric of the Saudi govt. he absolutely prohibited it. other clerics of the wahhabi/salafi school do not.

so next time, start speaking for Ibn Baz and stop speaking for all Wahhabis/Salafists. and stop denying that they carry out takfiri killings or that your takfiri brothers who kill on takfir are not wahhabis/salafists.

[s]no. our scholars do not condemn it in their majority. i am leaving room for doubt because you may end up finding one or two here and there. the majority, and i can say all, have unanimously issued fatwas to support the palestinian fight against occupation using all means to resist occupation and defend their land and lives including "martryrdom operations". there is no shame on this. self-defense in whatever form or means is absolutely islamic and has basis in Islam. now if you want to show solidarity to your israeli friends, and use a particular deadly means used by oppressed palestinians against superior military occupation targets, and turn it into a method to shed the blood of innocent people of other faith in takfiri killings, then your action is wrong and the act becomes forbidden because it is not self-defense but shedding of innocent blood. that is the stance of our scholars. our scholars do not shy in supporting oppressed people. that is the very reason you see that the Shia are always united in their fight. the main point is self-defense. we do not offend anyone and we do not fight in aggression. we do not have rogue groups who pick up arms for the wrong causes to kill innocent people. no Shia has ever blown himself up in a mosque or church. our scholars and the Shia clerical hierarchy is well defined. no riff raff takes up arms without the support of the marjaiyyah (the ayatollahs, the highest rank among Shia scholars); otherwise, if any Shia does, it is the Shia themselves who will beat that person and such rogue groups will not get any support. the marjiyyah is a major force to reckon with. Ayatollah Sistani issued a fatwa to declare jihad in Iraq against ISIS AND YOU FIND MILLIONS OF SHIA JOINING THE POPULAR MOBILIZATION UNITS TO FIGHT ISIS. and do not forget, Shia clerics are never employed by any govt. they get paid through KHUMS from the believers contributions. the Shia scholars are financially independently and that tells on their fatwas and rulings. you dont find Shias independently acting to fight or acting violently based on individual decision. that is why no Shia can tarnish the reputation of Islam or the Shia as a fighting force. the goal is self-defense and it must have the blessings of the ayatollahs, who are wise and sane men. not any cleric with a turban can declare jihad or pass fatwa to fight. no such confusion in Shia ranks. but you have Salafist groups fighting themselves (e.g. ISIS VS Nusra) because anyone makes the decision of war. no central decision. no maturity. and worse, you are the aggressors because you do not fight in self-defense, the only time force is justified in Islam. you perform takfiri killings on innocent civilians and then hide behind your fingers denying one another. you guys either follow the truth of Islam or you put yourselves in order and stop the madness.[/s]

lexiconkabir:


honestly i stopped at "I support self defence through whatever means" yani even one defends himself by killing himself a k.a suicide bombing, thank you for proving all we've been saying all along

Demmzy15:
Yet he blames salafis/wahabis for terrorism despite the fact they don't support bombings of any kind. Salafi Sheikhs even said the Palestinians should stop attacking the Israelis because whenever they retaliate, they kill Muslims in double folds. Even after killing Muslims, they still demolish houses of suspects who in many cases weren't involved.

From all observations, this ShiaMuslim of guy doesn't mean well for the Palestinians for justifying suicide bombings.

lexiconkabir:


he has liked and shared his own post again

ShiaMuslim:


fantastic. this is good. now you are talking.

when you confirm, i expect an apology from you guys for your blackmail on this controversial issue.

Demmzy15:
I couldn't ignore the stupidity in your posts, I'll address the important points and write "pfft" on the stupid ones!



Qaradawi, Zakir Naik, Safar Hawali, Salman Audah, etc and whatsoever you mention is not a salafi. I know you're too dumb to know, you automatically brand everyone Wahabi/Salafi as long as they support terrorism. Salafis are united upon the prohibition of suicide bombings!



Apparently you need to visit a mental hospital because you're obviously running mad because you refuse to understand simple explanations. No salafi here supports suicide bombers, you're the one supporting them, yet you blame salafis! Who does that if not a mad man?



The list of Scholars of salafiyyah aka Ahl Sunnah Wa Ja'amah that prohibit suicide bombings:
Sheikh Ibn Baaz(rahimahullah), Sheikh Al Albani(rahimahullah), Sheikh Al Uthaymeen(rahimahullah), Sheikh Ahmad Najmi(rahimahullah), Sheikh Muqbil(rahimahullah), Sheikh Saleh Al Fawzaan, Sheikh Rab'i Al Madhakalee, Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Hadi, Sheikh Saleh Al Suhaymeen, Sheikh Sulayman Ar Ruhayli and many more. So what else do you want? These are scholars who have credibility and every student of knowledge clings to, we don't blindly follow, they've given proofs for whatever they stated.

I presented Ibn Baaz(rahimahullah) video to supposed teacher of that Al Tarifi guy, I damn sure you didn't watch.



I'm saying it come and beat me na it's your brain that's uncertain and slow since you cannot process anything and still be stubborn when things are explained.



Pfft, still doesn't change the fact that Iranian regime supports terrorism and sponsors suicide bombings against Muslims and even their own fellow Shia brethren.



See why I say you're dumb, do you know the agreement between Al Imam Muhammad Ibn Saud(rahimahullah) and Al Imam Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab(rahimahullah), the man who appointed him as Mufti is a progeny of Muhammad Ibn Saud and Sheikh Ibn Baaz is also a progeny of Ibn Abdulwahab. But I know you're dumb to ever find out, just wanking about.



Ode! Before I brought Ibn Baaz, I quoted other scholars. I quoted Al Uthaymeen and others. I only placed emphasis on Ibn Baaz when you kept nagging about Al Tarifi being a student. Why would we follow a supposed "student" when his teacher presented clear proofs?



Fact remains that:
1. Shi'as were the first to partake in suicide bombings in which they passed it to Communist PKK who then passed it on to the Palestinians. I'm challenging you and your maraji to disprove that!
2. The Iranian regime is a known supporter of terrorism. It's funds Al Qaeda which gave birth to ISIS, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, Shia militias in Syria, wanted to send arms to Shias in Nigeria.
3. The world is seeing the barbarism of Shias and their thirst for blood. Even ISIS cannot be compare to you, if I'm lying, take a tour to Syria.

I'm pitiful to anyone who supports you, if they're not judged in this world, the hereafter is waiting.

lexiconkabir:


he has liked and shared his own post again

RABIUSHILE04:


Pls never you quote me in your life, Dan Shia, munafikai kawai!!!!!!!!!!

ShiaMuslim:

it does not dignify me to quote you. look at how bushy your name sounds.

RABIUSHILE04:


Typical of a filthy, worthless SHIA.

tintingz:
This thread is an example i said religion has bad effect on people's brain and behavior.

AlBaqir:


Again, I disagree. Quran instruct decorum in debate where it command good exhortation, excellent manners and sound argument (Q.16:125). On the other hand, Nabi has never been recorded to have used a foul language even to unbelievers whenever he has a debate with them.

Furthermore, as bad as Fir'aun was, Allah instructed Nabi Musa to talk to him with soft tongue and good manners.

What you see on this thread is an example of follower of Islam who choose not to play by the command. Hate the player not the game.

tintingz:
This is not even about the debate or insult, it is about the discrimination and hate filled in this thread.

Two sects(brothers) hating on each other because of some ancient clash?

tintingz:

And one hypocrite will tell me Islam doesn't have sect, when it is already affecting their brain and behavior.

tintingz:
This is not even about the debate or insult, it is about the discrimination and hate filled in this thread.

Two sects(brothers) hating on each other because of some ancient clash?

And one hypocrite will tell me Islam doesn't have sect, when it is already affecting their brain and behavior.