Wilgrea7:


you couldn't have said it better bro

atheism isn't just a case of hasty generalisation but also arrogance and ignorance.. there is no manner of thinking that doesn't validate the existence of a supreme being.. but since they judge the abrahamic God based on books, they conclude that no supreme being exists at all



sometimes i wish could sell them off to mars

which athiests say no supreme being exists atall
* sigh*
I'm tired of repeating myself
Most athiests are agnostic
"I don't believe in a God but I'm not claiming that Gods don't exist I night be wrong"
Religious texts are man made
A diest says
"I believe in God but religious texts and gods are
Man made "
That is thy only difference between a diest and an athiest
They are both open to reason not religion

Okay I'll tell you. You were obviously made from sand, dust and the breath of life.

KingEbukasBlog:


Its highly illogical that man has knowledge of just 4 percent of the universe but somehow just somehow atheists believe its sufficient enough to reject the existence of the an intelligent transcendent being .

Logic points towards the existence of an immaterial realm , a transcendent realm , from which the universe emerged from . I mean its just common sense .

"Its highly illogical that man has knowledge of just 4 percent of the universe but somehow just somehow atheists believe its sufficient enough to reject the existence of the an intelligent transcendent being"

What's highly illogical is that we've barely discovered where and how the universe began and developed but for some reason your best answer is a God made it. Your Christian God? Isn't it nice said God never mentioned any other galaxies, solar systems etc in the Bible.

"Logic points towards the existence of an immaterial realm , a transcendent realm , from which the universe emerged from . I mean its just common sense"

That's not where logic points to please, logic based on what. If you don't know you don't know, stop making claims you can support.

LightandDarkness:


"Its highly illogical that man has knowledge of just 4 percent of the universe but somehow just somehow atheists believe its sufficient enough to reject the existence of the an intelligent transcendent being"

What's highly illogical is that we've barely discovered where and how the universe began and developed but for some reason your best answer is a God made it. Your Christian God? Isn't it nice said God never mentioned any other galaxies, solar systems etc in the Bible.

"Logic points towards the existence of an immaterial realm , a transcendent realm , from which the universe emerged from . I mean its just common sense"

That's not where logic points to please, logic based on what. If you don't know you don't know, stop making claims you can support.

U know what's funny... Bible says Jesus was taken up into heaven and we will be raptures that way but the world ain't flat so heaven is not up

ever811:
you consider and attributes those point to justify your ignorance about God's way of doing things because you have never care to read the bible and understand what God said about those situations..I don't want to go far yet but I understand where you are heading to,..I beg you to answer this question with a sincere heart."..will some one hold you accountable if you destroy your invention for not functioning as you intended?.. iam waiting for your answer

didn't your version of God intend for us to have free will. It's not like we found free will by ourselves
So in this case unbelievers atheists,pantheists', agnostics , Diests. And other religion that are not in the christian faith. Basically 70% of the human race are fully functioning as your version of God intended
Your version god is like
"umm yo you guys have free will not to serve me but if you don't serve me I will burn you forever"
*cough* dumbass

Wilgrea7:


you couldn't have said it better bro

atheism isn't just a case of hasty generalisation but also arrogance and ignorance.. there is no manner of thinking that doesn't validate the existence of a supreme being.. but since they judge the abrahamic God based on books, they conclude that no supreme being exists at all

sometimes i wish could sell them off to mars

Lol I'm sorry. Isn't your idea of God based off book's? Unless you somehow know him personally and you have had conversations, not that voice in your head nonsense that is often claimed which is most likely your mind.

LightandDarkness:


Lol I'm sorry. Isn't your idea of God based off book's? Unless you somehow know him personally and you have had conversations, not that voice in your head nonsense that is often claimed which is most likely your mind.

they are funny
They claim they have a personal relationship with the God this created everything
And then they start talking like Diests
*facepalm*
They claim thier version of God created all the animals and put them in a garden in thy middle east for a man to name
The question you'd ask is
How would every animal the ever lived and would be adapted to different environments for survival be able to stay in the same place at the same time. They did because Adam names them all
Or the story of Noahs ark
How would artificial selection produce such a vast number of species in 6000 years?
Or how would two animals that are as good as extinct in the real world propagate an entire species?
How are bats birds aren't bats mammals
How can a woman have sex with an intoxicated old man?
How could Jacob have produced striped animals by simply having them look at branches when mating?
Why couldn't God just forgive our sins?
Why did he need a human sacrifice
How does any of this make any logical sense

jonbellion:
which athiests say no supreme being exists atall
* sigh*
I'm tired of repeating myself
Most athiests are agnostic
"I don't believe in a God but I'm not claiming that Gods don't exist I night be wrong"
Religious texts are man made
A diest says
"I believe in God but religious texts and gods are
Man made "
That is thy only difference between a diest and an athiest
They are both open to reason not religion

no bro..

an agnostic doesn't believe in God... but he isn't screaming that God doesn't exists... he's simply saying that he doesn't know and some agnostics reject religious views

you are right about deists... they reject religious views cuz it doesn't seem to them like the character that an all supreme creator would portay

but a non agnostic atheist.... oh lord help me..

an atheist will put his/her ignorance on a showglass singing that a supreme being doesn't exist meanwhile they can't prove that a supreme being doesn't exist

LightandDarkness:


Lol I'm sorry. Isn't your idea of God based off book's? Unless you somehow know him personally and you have had conversations, not that voice in your head nonsense that is often claimed which is most likely your mind.

books.... science.... reason... and logic.

conversations?? no
feelings?? yes
dreams?? yes

Wilgrea7:



books.... science.... reason... and logic.

conversations?? no
feelings?? yes
dreams?? yes

but since they judge the abrahamic God based on books, they conclude that no supreme being exists at all. If not through books how do you know the abrahamic God

Lennycool:

The bolded is really the crux of the matter, the rest are just your irrelevant beliefs.
Deist reject the religious text because they accept that today's humans are just fooling themselves with their religious texts.
Isn't it strange you sort to argue by bringing up a deistic point of view.
Aren't you a christian why didn't you bring up Yahweh.
Do you now accept that the theistic way is illogical.


Again you arguing using a view point that's not compatible with yours. Deism and theism are not the same. I wouldn't regard the evidence as overwhelming, that depends on your view point. And most atheist only reject religious Gods, they have no stand on a deistic God.


What do you mean by intellectual, men you're really arrogant and ignorant. Isn't religion how most people claim to have found God?
Theism is just mass delusion.

me sef no understand the guy these days

jonbellion:
they are funny
They claim they have a personal relationship with the God this created everything
And then they start talking like Diests
*facepalm*
They claim thier version of God created all the animals and put them in a garden in thy middle east for a man to name
The question you'd ask is
How would every animal the ever lived and would be adapted to different environments for survival be able to stay in the same place at the same time. They did because Adam names them all
Or the story of Noahs ark
How would artificial selection produce such a vast number of species in 6000 years?
Or how would two animals that are as good as extinct in the real world propagate an entire species?
How are bats birds aren't bats mammals
How can a woman have sex with an intoxicated old man?
How could Jacob have produced striped animals by simply having them look at branches when mating?
Why couldn't God just forgive our sins?
Why did he need a human sacrifice
How does any of this make any logical sense

When you examine a lot of those stories it's clear they aren't based in fact. It's really surprising some people actually belive noahs ark existed..the same people wholl come here and call atheists illogical.

Wilgrea7:


no bro..

an agnostic doesn't believe in God... but he isn't screaming that God doesn't exists... he's simply saying that he doesn't know and some agnostics reject religious views

you are right about deists... they reject religious views cuz it doesn't seem to them like the character that an all supreme creator would portay

but a non agnostic atheist.... oh lord help me..

an atheist will put his/her ignorance on a showglass singing that a supreme being doesn't exist meanwhile they can't prove that a supreme being doesn't exist

@colored...a gnostic atheist...not a non agnostic atheist(whatever that is)

LightandDarkness:


When you examine a lot of those stories it's clear they aren't based in fact. It's really surprising some people actually belive noahs ark existed..the same people wholl come here and call atheists illogical.

let them come and give us a logical explanation of how all eyes would see Jesus on a spherical earth or how horses can fly
Mohammed went to heaven on a flying horse. They don't believe this but they believe
their lord and saviour is coming back on a flying horse The only way to do that is to start idiotic conspiracy theories that the earth is flat.
How would a flying horse survive thy vacum of space
Is jesus faster than the speed of light
no information travels faster than light
If heaven is in an immaterial realm why didn't jesus just disappear
Why did he have to ascend
You people always say heaven is immaterial
A two edged sword from his mouth?
Prophecy or not what good is a sword
It's obvious they were on some serious LSD only found in Palestine at the time
Jesus dude even looks like a stoner

jonbellion:
let them come and give us a logical explanation of how all eyes would see Jesus on a spherical earth or how horses can fly
Mohammed went to heaven on a flying horse. They don't believe this but they believe
their lord and saviour is coming back on a flying horse The only way to do that is to start idiotic conspiracy theories that the earth is flat.

the funny and amazing thing is that people believe it..when evidence of a spherical earth is being splashed on their faces everyday...on a general term.

LightandDarkness:


but since they judge the abrahamic God based on books, they conclude that no supreme being exists at all. If not through books how do you know the abrahamic God

Aha!!! you said it.... they judge one God based on books and conclude because of what they don't like about the one God, then no supreme God exists at all.... i mean.. its just like saying since i don't likr the colour of a chair, then chairs don't exist

Wilgrea7:


Aha!!! you said it.... they judge one God based on books and conclude because of what they don't like about the one God, then no supreme God exists at all.... i mean.. its just like saying since i don't likr the colour of a chair, then chairs don't exist

I was actually quoting you...thought that would be clear to you since you wrote the statement.

The god or the model of god in your books isn't worth worship.

A non-interventional creator could exist but there is no proof that's the case or one is even necessary. Claiming there must be is like opening a puzzle, barely starting it and claiming you know what it shows

raphieMontella:

the funny and amazing thing is that people believe it..when evidence of a spherical earth is being splashed on their faces everyday...on a general term.

aah you know athiests Diests, panthirsts and agnostics are the illogical ones because they reject thier religious text. We have no moral compass we are all communists and all want religous people dead you know cuz every unbeliever is a politician and wants to be a politician and not a scientist or businessman or comedian or any other profession.
Francois hollande is an athiedt president . I guess France is in the middle of a civil war that has displaced millions of people and wrecked lives and not Syria
*facepalm*
Arguing with some creationists is as good as punching a brick wall that is ret*rded

jonbellion:
didn't your version of God intend for us to have free will. It's not like we found free will by ourselves
So in this case unbelievers atheists,pantheists', agnostics , Diests. And other religion that are not in the christian faith. Basically 70% of the human race are fully functioning as your version of God intended
Your version god is like
"umm yo you guys have free will not to serve me but if you don't serve me I will burn you forever"
*cough* dumbass

sir,if you are banking on this..... leme quote you ..."umm yo you guys have free will not to serve me but if you don't serve me I will burn you forever"..my question is if you give your children the freewill to leave around your house but never to disrespecting you..and if they do something wrong to tarnish your image after you spelling it out to them not to taunt you before your neighbors will you path them on the back or you will punish them?

wirinet:

That is the problem I have with you theist, you just conjure up a belief entirely based on ignorance and without any base in reality and then arrogantly spread that ignorance as knowledge.
Who told you we have 4% knowledge of the entire universe? We do not even know the extent of the universe before knowing any percentage of it. Maybe we have knowledge of 4% of the space around our bubble centred around us. We can only see about 15 billion lightyears in every direction. Outside that 15billion light years, no body knows.

honestly after reading your comment iam more convince that theist and atheist are of same view around the concept of God but with different perspectivism.. but just that an ordinary atheist is just prospectively dementia

ever811:
sir,if you are banking on this..... leme quote you ..."umm yo you guys have free will not to serve me but if you don't serve me I will burn you forever"..my question is if you give your children the freewill to leave around your house but never to disrespecting you..and if they do something wrong to tarnish your image after you spelling it out to them not to taunt you before your neighbors will you path them on the back or you will punish them?

well first of us God didn't give us any instructions just free will
With free will anything goes
And you guys made your God omimiscient
Omniscience and free will are mutually exclusive and this belief is not biblically compatible.Thus belief is also incompatible with an omniscience|omniscient God, as if God already knows what you're going to do, then how are you making the choice to do it?
And the bible seems to support predestination. Rimans 9:18-21
9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

KingEbukasBlog:


Its highly illogical that man has knowledge of just 4 percent of the universe but somehow just somehow atheists believe its sufficient enough to reject the existence of the an intelligent transcendent being .

Logic points towards the existence of an immaterial realm , a transcendent realm , from which the universe emerged from . I mean its just common sense .

But then is it also quite sensible to put the existence of such a transcedent realm in doubt as it has not been verified; except for badly written proses guaranteeing salvation? I mean; just because I haven't opened a box does not mean it contains something. It is quite possible for it to be empty.


Capsice??

LightandDarkness:


I was actually quoting you...thought that would be clear to you since you wrote the statement.

The god or the model of god in your books isn't worth worship.

A non-interventional creator could exist but there is no proof that's the case or one is even necessary. Claiming there must be is like opening a puzzle, barely starting it and claiming you know what it shows

bro... if we're to talk on books, then I'd like you to specify which books... I'm not a dogmatic Christian.... I've read many books outside the bible that led me to my conclusion... i do understand your point of view... i was once there... trying to reconcile the “thou shall kill" God of the old testament with the “love thy neighbour" God of the new testament... so i went outside the walls of the bible... i read a lot of books which the church termed apocryphal and pseudographical.. I'm even preparing to read some books from Buddhism...

my point is, i don't define God(Yahweh) by the bible alone... i believe him to be the surpreme God... so i won't leave out other books defining a surpreme being... apart from that, even with all the knowledge I've gotten, i believe more in experience... i believe experience more than letter... where there is experience, the letter hides.... experiencing God is a way accurate way of knowing him than from books

so now do you see my reason?

Wilgrea7:



bro... if we're to talk on books, then I'd like you to specify which books... I'm a liberal Christian.... I've read many books outside the bible that led me to my conclusion... i do understand your point of view... i was once there... trying to reconcile the “thou shall kill" God of the old testament with the “love thy neighbour" God of the new testament... so i went outside the walls of the bible... i read a lot of books which the church termed apocryphal and pseudographical.. I'm even preparing to read some books from Buddhism...

my point is, i don't define God(Yahweh) by the bible alone... i believe him to be the surpreme God... so i won't leave out other books defining a surpreme being... apart from that, even with all the knowledge I've gotten, i believe more in experience... i believe experience more than letter... where there is experience, the letter hides.... experiencing God is a way accurate way of knowing him than from books

so now do you see my reason?

Are you saying you knowledge of God is based off experience and not just books? what experience?

"my point is, i don't define God(Yahweh) by the bible alone" Yahweh is only mentioned in the bible and the torah, you believing a supreme god exists and is called YHWH is clearly an idea from abrahamic books, one that you didnt just "experience".

" i believe him to be the surpreme God" if you're not judging God based off books how then do you know God is male? From experience?

Are you sure you're a liberal christian.

ever811:

If the bible that was written thousands of years back,will call an atheist "Fool...then after thousands of years letter a scientists would call them idiots

.
It's because there were atheists then, who were challenging the craps been attributed to God and documented into the fictional book called Bible.
Just the same way, this your reference "scientist", is behaving now.

ever811:

but atheist argued that God did not create me but matter did..and i am always angry each time I tried to consider the atheist madness,because they them selves has no idea how matter created it's self..no atheist has been able to answer how things started..I repeat.. I will take atheist serious only when they convince me how I got to exist...

No atheist expects or look forward to your approval. They only hope to see you come out of religious delusion. Into a life governed by reason and empirical facts.

LightandDarkness:


Are you saying you knowledge of God is based off experience and not just books? what experience?

"my point is, i don't define God(Yahweh) by the bible alone" Yahweh is only mentioned in the bible and the torah, you believing a supreme god exists and is called YHWH is clearly an idea from abrahamic books, one that you didnt just "experience".

" i believe him to be the surpreme God" if you're not judging God based off books how then do you know God is male? From experience?

Are you sure you're a liberal christian.

yes... my knowledge of God is based on experience to an extent...

experience is somehow hard to explain... if you want... i can write a gospel for you.. called the gospel of wilgrea.7 ... but sincerely speaking, my experience cannot be written in a few lines... its a lil much.

his name is Yahweh in the bible and Torah... yes... his name is Allah in the koran... though i smell something fishy, i believe he's the same person and i also believe (under probability) that he may be called by another name in another religion... tho I'm not certain... but I'm not ignorant enough to say that I'm 100% correct... no... i may be wrong... but you see, that's where choice comes in... i have no doubt that I'd be a hindu or Buddhist or Shintoist if i had been born in the respective countries practicing it..

do i claim i have the entire truth?? no
all these things i said, they're just theories being held on to by ‘faith'... another Christian might come and say something contrary to what I've said.. cuz wat i said is more or less my opinion.

no one has the monopoly of whole truth... no one at all.. i held on to my belief in the abrahamic God because of what he has done for me.. cuz of the things I've received from him.. i dunno what people from other religions gain... so I'm not in much of a position to point fingers.. but i do know the abrahamic God has helped me so much.. as to if he's the same God of other religions, i really don't know.. like i said earlier.. i BELIEVE him to be the surpreme God... believe.. my choice... i feel right tho.. doesn't Still mean I'm right.. i might be.. i might not... no one has the monopoly of feeling right. am talking from an unbiased point of view..

Wilgrea7:

yes... my knowledge of God is based on experience to an extent...
experience is somehow hard to explain... if you want... i can write a gospel for you.. called the gospel of wilgrea.7 ... but sincerely speaking, my experience cannot be written in a few lines... its a lil much.
his name is Yahweh in the bible and Torah... yes... his name is Allah in the koran... though i smell something fishy, i believe he's the same person and i also believe (under probability) that he may be called by another name in another religion... tho I'm not certain... but I'm not ignorant enough to say that I'm 100% correct... no... i may be wrong... but you see, that's where choice comes in... i have no doubt that I'd be a hindu or Buddhist or Shintoist if i had been born in the respective countries practicing it..
do i claim i have the entire truth?? no
all these things i said, they're just theories being held on to by ‘faith'... another Christian might come and say something contrary to what I've said.. cuz wat i said is more or less my opinion.
no one has the monopoly of whole truth... no one at all.. i held on to my belief in the abrahamic God because of what he has done for me.. cuz of the things I've received from him.. i dunno what people from other religions gain... so I'm not in much of a position to point fingers.. but i do know the abrahamic God has helped me so much.. as to if he's the same God of other religions, i really don't know.. like i said earlier.. i BELIEVE him to be the surpreme God... believe.. my choice... i feel right tho.. doesn't Still mean I'm right.. i might be.. i might not... no one has the monopoly of feeling right. am talking from an unbiased point of view..

"there is no manner of thinking that doesn't validate the existence of a supreme being" vs "no one has the monopoly of whole truth... no one at all" and "doesn't Still mean I'm right.. i might be.. i might not... no one has the monopoly of feeling right". So you at least admit you can be wrong yes? And you can see your knowledge of this god is based off books yes?

akintom:

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It's because there were atheists then, who were challenging the craps been attributed to God and documented into the fictional book called Bible.
Just the same way, this your reference "scientist", is behaving now.


No atheist expects or look forward to your approval. They only hope to see you come out of religious delusion. Into a life governed by reason and empirical facts.

and what are the facts?.that there is no creator the world just came out from....honestly when I hear an atheist talks about reasoning,its amaze me.because atheist are the only documented creatures with brains they don't use.

jonbellion:
which athiests say no supreme being exists atall
* sigh*
I'm tired of repeating myself
Most athiests are agnostic
"I don't believe in a God but I'm not claiming that Gods don't exist I night be wrong"
Religious texts are man made
A diest says
"I believe in God but religious texts and gods are
Man made "
That is thy only difference between a diest and an athiest
They are both open to reason not religion

the Abrahamic God that you love to hate is the only existing God...deal with it or don't believe...no one is forcing you,just take a good look around you and tell me how many people of this your believe exist in the mix of billions of humans..

jonbellion:
they are funny
They claim they have a personal relationship with the God this created everything
And then they start talking like Diests
*facepalm*
They claim thier version of God created all the animals and put them in a garden in thy middle east for a man to name
The question you'd ask is
How would every animal the ever lived and would be adapted to different environments for survival be able to stay in the same place at the same time. They did because Adam names them all
Or the story of Noahs ark
How would artificial selection produce such a vast number of species in 6000 years?
Or how would two animals that are as good as extinct in the real world propagate an entire species?
How are bats birds aren't bats mammals
How can a woman have sex with an intoxicated old man?
How could Jacob have produced striped animals by simply having them look at branches when mating?
Why couldn't God just forgive our sins?
Why did he need a human sacrifice
How does any of this make any logical sense

all the points you just made are really laughable because they are clearly simple and possible to him who created all things,but very impossible to your tiny little brains that can't accommodate a simple AMEN...

ever811:
and what are the facts?.that there is no creator the world just came out from....honestly when I hear an atheist talks about reasoning,its amaze me.because atheist are the only documented creatures with brains they don't use.

The question to you is that, how did you know that God exists and created you?

akintom:



The question to you is that, how did you know that God exists and created you?

because that is exactly what it is...so if you know otherwise tell me who created everything including you..thank you..make sure you don't run away cause I need you to tell me a lot about our existence, since you know its not God that I know..who created all things..