Imagine if a book that claims to have it's source 4rm God to have disagreementssss in the first hand report of one of the book's so called saints. It is no little doubt that the saints indeed do exist as mentioned in the BOOK of books(Al Qur'an) but their genuiness has been maniackly altered, though, all the followers of jesus (may the peace of Allah be upon him) where indeed accepted by Allah save for one who claimed to be a saint, whereas he is a devil in a human flesh as i bring forth to u folks these verses 4rm the bible 4 y'all to  read and think about it. Any one might say we (non-christian) would not understand the words of the bible all because the spirit is not in us yet! But come on the apostoles where spiritless be4 jesus came upon them. But i leav it all to you both, (those with spirit and the spiritless). ACT:-9, v: 7 (the men who were travelling with saul had stopped, not saying a word; THEY HEARD THE VOICE but could not see any one)    

Act 22 :- v 9  (the men with me saw the light BUT DID NOT HEAR THE VOICE OF THE ONE WHO WAS SPEAKING) My brothers/sisters in both narrations which happens to be the soul foundation of scul's redemption and conversion, we find in them disagreement of the highest order  which brings questions like   -is the bible indeed the word of God?  Then why would he have inspired the authors of these two verses to be confusing at least the bible says some where in it verses that;-   God is not the author of confusion. 2 did saul saw christ at all?  Hell no is definatly gonna be the answer coz if indeed the holy spirit did inspire the bible then, where was HE (GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT) when saul was meeting christ (GOD THE SON) and when the incident was to be reported. The one and only possible explanation 4 all this is to conclude that saul never met jesus, never was he  a true christ-like, and never was he fit to be called a follower of christ not to think of being called a saint, but anyway, these are just my own findings of the fact that you are to have a re-cheek over  ur life!

@op Jazakhallahu khairan

'verily, it is of their falsehood that they say God has begotten ? And verily they are liars' Quran 37:151-152

@shewn007
u islamists r just a bunch of blind fanatics serving a virtual god.
for cryin out loud,allah is one of d many powerless,blood-suckin demons in ur kabbah(where millions die evry yr by stampede). mohamed,b4 false-prophesyin wil convulse,because of demonic posesn.
dnt hide dis tings.u knw u r in darkness bt r tryin 2 justify ur foolishness because of ur hatred 4 d jews.
evn d jews hate CHRISTIANS because we're nt of dis world.

@abuzola
truly,ur scriptures r mere philosophic opinions of no spiritual value.u just quote anoda man's language and feel it makes u spiritual.
u "preach" peace bt practice violence,for an unrealistic reward of 7 virgins,mansions and rivers of shepe and squadron.
if u r a true muslim,y nt go and bomb urself lyk ur imams and sheikhs do in arabia?
NEVER FOR ONCE HAVE I HEARD OF HEALING OF D SICK IN D MOSQUES. instead they teach christian-hatred,

@crezor
it is so sad that after a perfect gift of flexibility overd ur thought and the execution of ur thought as u wish which in itself is miracle given to mankind alone, we still fail to realize our purpose in connection with our time. Jesus came and did not condem john the baptist, moses the jew, abraham, david the poet, solomon the king and so on, rather he said he came to accomplish the laws of the scripture matthew 5 v 17.never did he say he came to die, u will enter heaven if only u do the will of God in heaven 7 v 21.
Miracles is mostly used to convince people, and is also ment 4 the benefactors use only but in its wholeness means nothing coz Jesus said alot would perform miracles and would still not be recognized by him save 4 those who do the will of the father matthew 7 v 22-23

Muhammed (s.a.w) came upholding the laws of jesus, son of marry, moses of the israelite, abraham, and so on, he brought not a new message but a reformed and perfect one for the appointed time he came just as jesus had brought not a new message but the accomplishment of the laws. Come to think of it, if Muhammed(s.a.w) was of his own will, what was his prize for his selflessness? To risk every thing and embark on a mission that would get him killed whereas he had the chance to be a king of the arabs, with wealths at his mercy at least that what we fight for in the world of ours.
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of israel alone be4 he left. Mat 10 v 5
why wount u talk abt the disagreement rather than hiding away 4rm the fact

@creazor
just because some one said he his a muslim dose not make him am appointed mouth piece of the islamic community, he would only be a mouthf piece as long as he lives by the teaching of the BOOK of books pastor KING was a christian and a pastor and he set ablaze one of his followers, so has that made every christian a killer? No but the fact still remains that pastor KING is a christian. Indeed we muslim are one without exceptions at all but because a party of us gave in to the pressure dose not make ur all bad, imagine if u live in iraq what would ur mind set be like with what the U.S has been doing to the citizens of iraq 4 the past 4 or 5 years,
2 see what israel has been doing to palestine, killing the citizens and forcefuly taking over thier properties, what would u say to that? what is the UN saying to that? what is AMERICA saying to that?

'as for those who disbelieve in their Lord (ALLAH), is the torment of Hell and worst indeed is that destination.

When they are cast therein they will hear the terrible drawing of its breath as it blazes forth.

It almost bursts up with fury every time a group is cast therein, its keepers or guards will ask (the unbelievers),'Did no warner come to you ?'

They will say,'Yes indeed a warner came to us but we denied him and said,'Allah never sent down anything , you are only in great error'

And they will say,'Had we listened or used our intelligence we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing fire !'


Then they will confess their sin, so, away with the dwellers of the blazing fire !'

verily, those who fear their Lord unseen, theirs will be forgiveness and a great reward (Paradise)'
Quran 67:6-12

i changed the title

[size=13pt]Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today. It is time for us to recognize this simple fact. The christian bible is not genuine at all. . . . please avoid it.[/size]

May the thunder of Ayyu wal Qayyum strike your filthy hands. The hands you use to change the topic.

@manmustwac shit

@abuzola,did ur fake quran thunder work against him.lol,stop waisting ur time cos idol allah will never answer u plus ur 360 kabba idols

Oh my God ! Are you talking to me ?

Oh my God ! Are you talking to me ?

As if u could do anything other than rant. Go Zap a duck

Is the Bible genuine at all? How about Basic Instructions/Information Before Leaving Eath. Well that's a silly question. You're talking about the best selling Book of all times. The Book that is converting millions of followers every week, being reborned into our Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Bible is 100% True 100% Complete and 100% Inspired(God inspired the writers on and about wwhat to write). If you wanna debate, I'm here and ready. -Osi

How can a book of contradiction be genuine mister osi, en ?

[size=13pt]Mr. Abuzola that is a good question. . . .and i hope some people can reason it .[/size]

Abuzola:

How can a book of contradiction be genuine mister osi, en ?

Contradiction where?

Countless in the bible, do you want me to give you an instance

[size=13pt]Whatever alleged "truth" is proven by results to be but an empty fiction, let it be unceremoniously flung into the outer darkness, among the dead gods, dead empires, dead philosophies, and other useless lumber and wreckage! . The Bible is a book full of so many Contradictions and lies. anyone that need PROOFs should let me know then iw start posting them up here for everyone to see. [/size]

Still waiting

[size=13pt]Waiting who. . . .?[/size]

"anyone that need PROOFs should let me know then iw start posting them up here for everyone to see." Waiting on you

John 3:16 jesus is the only begotten son

psalm 2:7 david is the begotten son,

pure contradiction

NOT AT ALL :p. "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." You need better quotes. Jewish people claim the it is King David, and Christians claim that God was talking about Jesus. Throughout the Bible God has called people His own son to show/express how dear that person is to Him. NEXT!

[size=13pt]Before i start posting as you requested i would love we both "Mister Osi" to Imagine that we are good friends. One day we are talking:

Me: Wow, you will not believe this new book I've been reading!

You: What's it about?

Me: It is a manual for living a better life. It is also a guide to creating a better society for ourselves and our children. It has changed my life!

You: That sounds like an important book. Who wrote it?

Me: The author is supposed to be the smartest person in the universe.

You: That's amazing -- if the author is the smartest person in the universe, the book must be absolutely brilliant. I can't wait to see it. Do you have a copy with you?

Me: Absolutely! I carry it with me everywhere I go! Here, have a look for yourself. . .

^{You open the book to a random page, and you find this:}

Any of the people of Israel, or of the aliens who reside in Israel, who give any of their offspring to Molech shall be put to death; the people of the land shall stone them to death. I myself will set my face against them, and will cut them off from the people, because they have given of their offspring to Molech, defiling my sanctuary and profaning my holy name. And if the people of the land should ever close their eyes to them, when they give of their offspring to Molech, and do not put them to death, I myself will set my face against them and against their family, and will cut them off from among their people, them and all who follow them in prostituting themselves to Molech.
If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s unclothedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. [Leviticus, chapter 20]

^{You are not quite sure what to say. You look at me for a moment.}

You: I thought you said that this is written by the most intelligent person in the universe. If we are going to follow what this author says, we have to kill half the people in Nigeria. We are supposed to kill everyone who has cursed his father or mother, everyone who has committed adultery.

Me: Well, that's in the old testament, you see. The book is really two books, and the "old" part of the book doesn't really apply.

You: Are you saying that the smartest person in the universe once wanted us to kill every adulterer , but then changed his mind? That somehow makes it better? If the "old part" no longer applies, then why did you hand it to me when I asked to see the book?

Me: Well, parts of it do apply.

You: Didn't you just tell me that it doesn't apply?
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[size=13pt]^{You open the book to another random page and you find this:}

When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone. But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person’, then his master shall bring him before God. He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money.

Whoever strikes a person mortally shall be put to death. If it was not premeditated, but came about by an act of God, then I will appoint for you a place to which the killer may flee. But if someone wilfully attacks and kills another by treachery, you shall take the killer from my altar for execution.

Whoever strikes father or mother shall be put to death.

Whoever kidnaps a person, whether that person has been sold or is still held in possession, shall be put to death. Whoever curses father or mother shall be put to death.

When individuals quarrel and one strikes the other with a stone or fist so that the injured party, though not dead, is confined to bed, but recovers and walks around outside with the help of a staff, then the assailant shall be free of liability, except to pay for the loss of time, and to arrange for full recovery. [/size]

Good

[size=13pt]When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property. [Exodus, chapter 21]

Again, you are dumfounded. Here the author of the book is advocating slavery, the branding of slaves, and the wholesale beating of slaves. You are not quite sure what to say. You look at me for a moment.

You: You have to be kidding me. Here the "smartest person in the universe" is telling us that slavery is OK and that we are free to beat our slaves.

^{You open the book to another random page and you find this:}

I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument; also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, but with good works, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty. [1 Timothy, chapter 2]

^{You are nearly speechless. But you manage to find your voice.}

You: Is this some kind of joke? "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man." That is totally sexist! In Nigeria, there are millions of female teachers and we have women throughout our corporate and govenment hierarchies. No intelligent person believes that women should be silenced[/size].

@ 1&2nd reply. Thank you so much for making this easier for me.  1) This is all comming from the Old Testament. 2) Jesus came to us as the messiah to preach against what was said in the Old Testament(except for the 10 Commandments) and 3)If you were reffering to God as the "most intelligent person in the universe" who wrote the Bible, you're wrong. God is not a person and God did not write the Bible.

No no no, how can God tell lie, he said his only son is jesus yet he had another son outside his matrimonial home which is david,

[size=13pt]^{As you page through the book further you find that it is totally sexist from beginning to end.}

You keep opening the book to random pages, and nearly everything you find is utter nonsense. Either it is meaningless, completely irrelevant, disgusting or downright wrong.

The most annoying part  starts with the very first line: ^{In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. . . .}  

That's not true. In the beginning a natural event created the universe as we know it, and the earth did not form until billions of years later. The creation story in Genesis is completely wrong. Simply read Genesis and you can see it. For example, the Bible says that light and darkness are created after the water but before the sun. Everyone knows that the sun came first, then the planet and its rotation (which is what causes light and darkness to occur on a daily basis) and then the water, and this all happened over million of years. There are many other problems with the Bible:

<sup>* Man did not come from a handful of dust through some mythological being. Man evolved from other species like every other living thing has for hundreds of millions of years.

* The Bible talks about a world-wide flood that covered earth in 5.5 miles of water and killed everything, yet we know it never happened. That is clear from the archeolgical record.

* There was no tower of Babel where God confounded the languages of mankind.</sup>
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Hehehe ogaga