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Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Chikelue2000(m): 10:37am On Dec 07, 2016
mustymatic:

These are his supposed teachings
Matthew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
good point, that was Jesus teaching right?, and how many Christians in d bible during Christ's time used sword on their supposed Enemies? Tell me
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by mustymatic(m): 10:49am On Dec 07, 2016
Chikelue2000:
good point, that was Jesus teaching right?, and how many Christians in d bible during Christ's time used sword on their supposed Enemies? Tell me
We would not know since not all accounts were documented wink
But if Jesus is god, then he ordered some cruel commands right?
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Nobody: 11:31am On Dec 07, 2016
Omudia11:
Thrash!!

Jesus Christ is GOD in the flesh. Jesus Christ was not created, he is the creator. There was not a thing that was made that he did not make.
Make sense. God sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself and therefore save humanity from himself. Make sense

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Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Musharraf: 1:21pm On Dec 07, 2016
Chikelue2000:
good point, that was Jesus teaching right?, and how many Christians in d bible during Christ's time used sword on their supposed Enemies? Tell me

And what is your evidence to prove that the Christianity started during the time of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Unto Him)
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Chikelue2000(m): 1:35pm On Dec 07, 2016
mustymatic:

We would not know since not all accounts were documented wink
But if Jesus is god, then he ordered some cruel commands right?
pls read dat again. Did he say Christians shld kill? Or did he give d sword for them to kill?. Jesus is God, HE will n forever will.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by mustymatic(m): 2:01pm On Dec 07, 2016
Chikelue2000:
pls read dat again. Did he say Christians shld kill? Or did he give d sword for them to kill?. Jesus is God, HE will n forever will.
This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Musharraf: 4:06pm On Dec 07, 2016
Chikelue2000:
pls read dat again. Did he say Christians shld kill? Or did he give d sword for them to kill?. Jesus is God, HE will n forever will.

Point of correction, Jesus (PBUH) is not God.
Just point out a chapter or a verse in the bible where Jesus said, I AM GOD, WORSHIP ME.
Or that you should be going to church on Sunday, or that you should be going to Jerusalem, or that you should be a Christian??
And I will convert to Christianity today

God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21) ?

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh? During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings? If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Chikelue2000(m): 4:31pm On Dec 07, 2016
mustymatic:

This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
lol u r confusing ursef, u said Jesus is not God n u r nw asking me abt d old testament. So u believe Jesus is God right?. Well I asked u did Jesus gave his followers sword to kill or did u see anywhere dat Christ followers used sword to kill or maim people
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by manmacho: 4:35pm On Dec 07, 2016
Musharraf:

Point of correction, Jesus (PBUH) is not God.
Just point out a chapter or a verse in the bible where Jesus said, I AM GOD, WORSHIP ME.
Or that you should be going to church on Sunday, or that you should be going to Jerusalem, or that you should be a Christian??
And I will convert to Christianity today
God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:
‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)
God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.
‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21) ?
Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh? During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings? If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)

God is a merciful God, but his also a God of judgement
his judgement for sin is death.
what is the use of forgiveness when the nature of sin (flesh) is still alive
the reason why God could not Forgive Adam
He sin caused death for the whole of humanity
because God told him the day he eat the fruit he will die
that death is spiritual (Eternal separation from God)
the remedy to this death is remission through the sacrifice of blood
an example is in the law of Moses where a lamb was used as an atonement for sin
this was a pointer to what God was still going to do in Christ Jesus
Through his death he gave us the remission of sin, healing to the body of Sin
He saved us and reconciled us to God, the relationship we lost through Adam.

So, brother don't depend on God forgiving you, God truly want to save you from the nature of sin
YOU NEED THE REMISSION OF YOUR SIN NOT FORGIVENESS
if God forgive you today you will always need forgiveness and you will not meet the criteria to no him because God is Holy and cannot behold your SIN

Jesus is the solution to the world sin and forgiveness is truly available only to those who have accepted Jesus and not for an unbeliever like you. what you need is the REMISSION OF YOUR SIN, which can only happen when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour

Except you want to claim that you are perfect, if your answer is NO, then you can never see God because God is perfect.

the solution to seeing and meeting God after you die is to accept God's solution to Sin and perfection - JESUS THE SON OF GOD

THANK YOU
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Philip6800(m): 4:42pm On Dec 07, 2016
my fellow Christian please I need your opinion or answers to this below questions





(1)-how do u view Christianity
(2)-what do u think about d bible
(3) how do u think about Jesus
(4)-what do you think about d HOLY SPIRIT
(5)_WHAT DO U THINK IS OUR PURPOSE FOR LIVING

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Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Musharraf: 9:08pm On Dec 07, 2016
manmacho:


God is a merciful God, but his also a God of judgement
his judgement for sin is death.
what is the use of forgiveness when the nature of sin (flesh) is still alive
the reason why God could not Forgive Adam
He sin caused death for the whole of humanity
because God told him the day he eat the fruit he will die
that death is spiritual (Eternal separation from God)
the remedy to this death is remission through the sacrifice of blood
an example is in the law of Moses where a lamb was used as an atonement for sin
this was a pointer to what God was still going to do in Christ Jesus
Through his death he gave us the remission of sin, healing to the body of Sin
He saved us and reconciled us to God, the relationship we lost through Adam.

So, brother don't depend on God forgiving you, God truly want to save you from the nature of sin
YOU NEED THE REMISSION OF YOUR SIN NOT FORGIVENESS
if God forgive you today you will always need forgiveness and you will not meet the criteria to no him because God is Holy and cannot behold your SIN

Jesus is the solution to the world sin and forgiveness is truly available only to those who have accepted Jesus and not for an unbeliever like you. what you need is the REMISSION OF YOUR SIN, which can only happen when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour

Except you want to claim that you are perfect, if your answer is NO, then you can never see God because God is perfect.

the solution to seeing and meeting God after you die is to accept God's solution to Sin and perfection - JESUS THE SON OF GOD

THANK YOU


Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God The Creator

1. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son , but the
Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

3. John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

4. John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”

5. John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

6. Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good ? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

7. John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

8. Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

9. Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

10. John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you . May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one : I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

11. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all .
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)

12. Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

13. Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are —yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See
James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For
God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

14. Hebrews 5:7-9
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death , and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect , he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
Jesus had to walk a course of faith and obedience in order to achieve perfection. By achieving perfection, Jesus “became” the source of eternal salvation
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Musharraf: 10:30pm On Dec 07, 2016
manmacho:


God is a merciful God, but his also a God of judgement
his judgement for sin is death.
what is the use of forgiveness when the nature of sin (flesh) is still alive
the reason why God could not Forgive Adam
He sin caused death for the whole of humanity
because God told him the day he eat the fruit he will die
that death is spiritual (Eternal separation from God)
the remedy to this death is remission through the sacrifice of blood
an example is in the law of Moses where a lamb was used as an atonement for sin
this was a pointer to what God was still going to do in Christ Jesus
Through his death he gave us the remission of sin, healing to the body of Sin
He saved us and reconciled us to God, the relationship we lost through Adam.

So, brother don't depend on God forgiving you, God truly want to save you from the nature of sin
YOU NEED THE REMISSION OF YOUR SIN NOT FORGIVENESS
if God forgive you today you will always need forgiveness and you will not meet the criteria to no him because God is Holy and cannot behold your SIN

Jesus is the solution to the world sin and forgiveness is truly available only to those who have accepted Jesus and not for an unbeliever like you. what you need is the REMISSION OF YOUR SIN, which can only happen when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour

Except you want to claim that you are perfect, if your answer is NO, then you can never see God because God is perfect.

the solution to seeing and meeting God after you die is to accept God's solution to Sin and perfection - JESUS THE SON OF GOD

THANK YOU


JESUS IS NEITHER A SON OF GOD NOR A GOD, BUT HE IS ONE OF THE PROPHETS OF GOD ALMIGHTY.

Only GOD is perfect, in fact Jesus Christ is not according to your bible

In Jesus' defense, at the very outset, I must point out that the Gospels were not written until many decades after his death. He might not have said and done any of the things people said he did. In fact, he might just be a myth. My point here is that the Jesus presented in the Bible is not perfect or worthy of worship.

Point 1: Jesus replied to the man who called him "good master": "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18)
Jesus denied that he was perfect or God
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Point 2: Jesus was asked if he was going to Judea for the festival of Tabernacles: "As the Jewish feast of Tabernacles drew near, his brothers said to him, 'Why not leave this place and go to Judea...'" (John 7:2,3)
Jesus replied: "I am not going to this festival, because for me the time is not ripe yet." (John 7:8,9)
but Jesus did go to that festival in secret: "However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went up as well, but quite privately, without drawing attention to himself." (John 7:10)
So Jesus was a liar.
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Point 3: Jesus spurned the afflicted child of a gentile, likening them to dogs:
"Jesus left that place and withdrew the region of Tyre and Sidon. Then out came a Canaanite woman from that district and started shouting, 'Sir, Son of David, take pity on me. My daughter is tormented by a devil.' But he answered her not a word. And his disciples went and pleaded with him. 'Give her what she wants,' they said, 'because she is shouting after us.' He said in reply, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.' But the woman had come up and was kneeling at his feet. 'Lord,' she said, 'help me.' He replied, 'It is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs.' She retorted, 'Ah yes, sir; but even dogs can eat the scraps that fall from their master's table.' Then Jesus answered her, 'Woman, you have great faith. Let your wish be granted.' And from that moment her daughter was well again. (Matt. 15:21-28)
What a callous attitude towards a suffering child just because she wasn't Jewish.
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Point 4: Jesus, was asked why his followers were breaking the Sabbath laws by reaping and eating grain from a field as they went along. He replied:
"Did you never read what David did in his time of need when he and his follwers were hungry - how he went into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest, and ate the loaves of offering which only the priests are allowed to eat, and how he also gave some to the men with him?" (Mark 2:25-26)
Jesus was in error. It was not Abiathar but Ahimelech who was high priest: "David went to Nob to Ahimelech the priest.... the priest gave him what had been consecrated, for the only bread there was the bread of offering which is taken away from the presence of the Lord to be replaced by warm bread when it is removed" (1 Sam. 21:1,6).
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Point 5: Jesus was a false prophet.
At his trial, he told the High Priest Caiaphas would see that he would see his coming in power:
"...Moreover, I tell you that from this time onward you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matt. 26:64)
Caiaphas died, and Jesus' still has not arrived in power thousands of years later. The penalty for false prophets is death.
But this was not the only occasion that Jesus was a false prophet. In Matthew 24: 34 Jesus said "I tell you solemnly, before this generation has passed away all these things will have taken place" in reponse to his disciples question: "Tell us, when is this going to happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the world?"
Jesus did not return in his generation nor the dozens of generations that followed. And still some gullible people expect him!
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Point 6: Jesus' teachings were kept secret so most people would go to Hell: "When he was alone, the Twelve, together with the others who formed his company, asked what the parables meant. He told them, 'The secret of the kingdom of God is given to you, but to those who are outside everything comes in parables, so that they may see and see again, but not perceive; may hear and hear again, but not understand; OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT BE CONVERTED AND BE FORGIVEN.'" (Mark 4:10-12)
What an evil attitude! And this is the man we are told was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel? He is probably the worst preacher that ever lived.
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Point 7: Jesus claimed the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into a tree that can shelter birds in its branches:
"It (a mustard seed) is the smallest of all seeds, but when it is grown it is the biggest shrub of all and becomes a tree so that the birds of the air come and shelter in its branches."
But the Mustard seed is not the smallest herb seed and the plant when full grown is only a meter to a meter and a half tall, not even close to the size of a tree.
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Point 8: Jesus said "No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of Man who is in heaven..." (John 3:13). I guess Jesus never heard of Elijah who was taken up to heaven in a flaming chariot!
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Point 9: Jesus destroyed a fig tree for not having fruit even though it wasn't the season for figs to bear fruit:
"Next day as they were leaving Bethany, he felt hungry. Seeing a fig tree in leaf some distance away, he went to see if he could find any fruit on it, but he he came up to it he found nothing but leaves; FOR IT WAS NOT THE SEASON FOR FIGS. And he addressed the fig tree. 'May no one ever eat fruit from you again,' he said. And his disciples heard him say this." (Mark 11:12-14)
This took place just before Passover which occurs in March or April. Figs cannot be expected in Israel until June. To destroy an innocent tree for not having fruit when it wasn't even in season does not reflect well on Jesus. He displayed ignorance and pettiness.
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Point 10: According to Matthew, Jesus accused the Jewish leaders of murdering Zechariah son of Barachiah: "...Zechariah son of Barachiah whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar." (Matthew23:35).
Unfortunately, the Zachariah mentioned was slain in Jerusalem, 69 CE; so that Matthew makes Jesus refer to an event that occurred 39 years after his death in the past tense.
Referring to this passage, the Catholic scholar Dr. Hug says: "There cannot be a doubt, if we attend to the name, the fact and its circumstances, and the object of Jesus in citing it, that it was the same Zacharias Barouchos, who, according to Josephus, a short time before the destruction of Jerusalem, was unjustly slain in the temple."
Commenting on this passage, Prof. Newman says: "There is no other man known in history to whom the verse can allude. If so, it shows how late, how ignorant, how rash is the composer of a text passed off on us as sacred truth" (Religion not History, p. 46).
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Point 11: What did Jesus' own relatives think about him?
"When his relatives heard of this, they set out to take charge of him, convinced he was out of his mind." (Mark 3:21)
"Not even his brothers, in fact, had faith in him..." (John 7:5)
Of course, Jesus seemed to have a problem with family relationships.
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:26).
He appeared to follow his own advice. "His mother and brothers now arrived and, standing outside, sent in a message asking form him, 'Your mother and brothers and sisters are outside asking for you.' He replied, 'Who are my mother and my brothers?' And looking around at those sitting in a circle about him, he said, 'Here are my mother and brothers. Anyone who does the will of God, that person is my brother and sister and mother.'
Jesus expected his followers to be at war with their families:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10, 34, 35).
What kind of family values is that? No wonder his family thought him insane.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by mustymatic(m): 11:32pm On Dec 07, 2016
Chikelue2000:
lol u r confusing ursef, u said Jesus is not God n u r nw asking me abt d old testament. So u believe Jesus is God right?. Well I asked u did Jesus gave his followers sword to kill or did u see anywhere dat Christ followers used sword to kill or maim people
I'm not confusing myself
This will do
3. Luke 22:38 And they were saying to him, ‘Our Lord, behold, here are two swords.’ He said to them, ‘They are enough.’

. Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!

Matthew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by manmacho: 10:03am On Dec 08, 2016
Musharraf:



Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God The Creator

1. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son , but the
Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

3. John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

4. John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”

5. John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

6. Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good ? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

7. John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

8. Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

9. Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

10. John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you . May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one : I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

11. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all .
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)

12. Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

13. Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are —yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See
James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For
God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

14. Hebrews 5:7-9
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death , and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect , he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
Jesus had to walk a course of faith and obedience in order to achieve perfection. By achieving perfection, Jesus “became” the source of eternal salvation

do you believe in Every thing you quoted

You believe that Jesus is the Son of God, because your quotes referred to Jesus has the son and God has the father

Jesus is the only one that claim equality with the Father no one else dare -John 10:30 (i and my Father are one)
Jesus forgave Sin which is the only prerogative of God - Luke 7:48
Jesus received worship that belong only to God - Matthew 2:11, matthew 14:33
Jesus was before the world was created - John 17:5
He was the One of whom Isaiah prophesied, "His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).
It was because of Jesus claim of equality with the Father that gave him the death sentence: in John 5:18 — "The Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God."
i can continue to quote
but note this also, that the knowledge of who God his, is only limited to how much God has reveled himself to us, you cannot just pick what suite you from the bible and think you can define the God Head by them. God is more than you can ever imagine

thank you
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by manmacho: 10:09am On Dec 08, 2016
mustymatic:

I'm not confusing myself
This will do
3. Luke 22:38 And they were saying to him, ‘Our Lord, behold, here are two swords.’ He said to them, ‘They are enough.’

. Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!

Matthew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

oga buy sword and start fighting with that sword are two different things

Remember when peter brought the same sword to fight, Jesus Christ respond was "he that leave by the sword shall die by the sword

Jesus did not propagate violence in any way check the scripture again

thank you
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Chikelue2000(m): 10:13am On Dec 08, 2016
mustymatic:

I'm not confusing myself
This will do
3. Luke 22:38 And they were saying to him, ‘Our Lord, behold, here are two swords.’ He said to them, ‘They are enough.’

. Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!

Matthew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
U are still confused and deluded bro, how many times have u heard Christians use sword on anybody, u just go to d scriptures, bring out a verse to suit ur blood thirsty mind. U can even get more verses but u will never see where Jesus followers kill or maim any. Christians are Christ followers, they are gentle, kind, simple n peace loving. Burn d Bible, no one cares, insult Jesus, no one will touch u, try that with d qua ran, ur name is sorry. Till now u have not shown me where Christ followers killed any. U keep quoting scriptures to fulfil ur ignorance. Show mw where d disciples use sword on any individual or government.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by manmacho: 10:18am On Dec 08, 2016
Musharraf:



JESUS IS NEITHER A SON OF GOD NOR A GOD, BUT HE IS ONE OF THE PROPHETS OF GOD ALMIGHTY.

Only GOD is perfect, in fact Jesus Christ is not according to your bible

In Jesus' defense, at the very outset, I must point out that the Gospels were not written until many decades after his death. He might not have said and done any of the things people said he did. In fact, he might just be a myth. My point here is that the Jesus presented in the Bible is not perfect or worthy of worship.

Point 1: Jesus replied to the man who called him "good master": "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18)
Jesus denied that he was perfect or God
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Point 2: Jesus was asked if he was going to Judea for the festival of Tabernacles: "As the Jewish feast of Tabernacles drew near, his brothers said to him, 'Why not leave this place and go to Judea...'" (John 7:2,3)
Jesus replied: "I am not going to this festival, because for me the time is not ripe yet." (John 7:8,9)
but Jesus did go to that festival in secret: "However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went up as well, but quite privately, without drawing attention to himself." (John 7:10)
So Jesus was a liar.
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Point 3: Jesus spurned the afflicted child of a gentile, likening them to dogs:
"Jesus left that place and withdrew the region of Tyre and Sidon. Then out came a Canaanite woman from that district and started shouting, 'Sir, Son of David, take pity on me. My daughter is tormented by a devil.' But he answered her not a word. And his disciples went and pleaded with him. 'Give her what she wants,' they said, 'because she is shouting after us.' He said in reply, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.' But the woman had come up and was kneeling at his feet. 'Lord,' she said, 'help me.' He replied, 'It is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs.' She retorted, 'Ah yes, sir; but even dogs can eat the scraps that fall from their master's table.' Then Jesus answered her, 'Woman, you have great faith. Let your wish be granted.' And from that moment her daughter was well again. (Matt. 15:21-28)
What a callous attitude towards a suffering child just because she wasn't Jewish.
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Point 4: Jesus, was asked why his followers were breaking the Sabbath laws by reaping and eating grain from a field as they went along. He replied:
"Did you never read what David did in his time of need when he and his follwers were hungry - how he went into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest, and ate the loaves of offering which only the priests are allowed to eat, and how he also gave some to the men with him?" (Mark 2:25-26)
Jesus was in error. It was not Abiathar but Ahimelech who was high priest: "David went to Nob to Ahimelech the priest.... the priest gave him what had been consecrated, for the only bread there was the bread of offering which is taken away from the presence of the Lord to be replaced by warm bread when it is removed" (1 Sam. 21:1,6).
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Point 5: Jesus was a false prophet.
At his trial, he told the High Priest Caiaphas would see that he would see his coming in power:
"...Moreover, I tell you that from this time onward you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matt. 26:64)
Caiaphas died, and Jesus' still has not arrived in power thousands of years later. The penalty for false prophets is death.
But this was not the only occasion that Jesus was a false prophet. In Matthew 24: 34 Jesus said "I tell you solemnly, before this generation has passed away all these things will have taken place" in reponse to his disciples question: "Tell us, when is this going to happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the world?"
Jesus did not return in his generation nor the dozens of generations that followed. And still some gullible people expect him!
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Point 6: Jesus' teachings were kept secret so most people would go to Hell: "When he was alone, the Twelve, together with the others who formed his company, asked what the parables meant. He told them, 'The secret of the kingdom of God is given to you, but to those who are outside everything comes in parables, so that they may see and see again, but not perceive; may hear and hear again, but not understand; OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT BE CONVERTED AND BE FORGIVEN.'" (Mark 4:10-12)
What an evil attitude! And this is the man we are told was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel? He is probably the worst preacher that ever lived.
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Point 7: Jesus claimed the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into a tree that can shelter birds in its branches:
"It (a mustard seed) is the smallest of all seeds, but when it is grown it is the biggest shrub of all and becomes a tree so that the birds of the air come and shelter in its branches."
But the Mustard seed is not the smallest herb seed and the plant when full grown is only a meter to a meter and a half tall, not even close to the size of a tree.
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Point 8: Jesus said "No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of Man who is in heaven..." (John 3:13). I guess Jesus never heard of Elijah who was taken up to heaven in a flaming chariot!
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Point 9: Jesus destroyed a fig tree for not having fruit even though it wasn't the season for figs to bear fruit:
"Next day as they were leaving Bethany, he felt hungry. Seeing a fig tree in leaf some distance away, he went to see if he could find any fruit on it, but he he came up to it he found nothing but leaves; FOR IT WAS NOT THE SEASON FOR FIGS. And he addressed the fig tree. 'May no one ever eat fruit from you again,' he said. And his disciples heard him say this." (Mark 11:12-14)
This took place just before Passover which occurs in March or April. Figs cannot be expected in Israel until June. To destroy an innocent tree for not having fruit when it wasn't even in season does not reflect well on Jesus. He displayed ignorance and pettiness.
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Point 10: According to Matthew, Jesus accused the Jewish leaders of murdering Zechariah son of Barachiah: "...Zechariah son of Barachiah whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar." (Matthew23:35).
Unfortunately, the Zachariah mentioned was slain in Jerusalem, 69 CE; so that Matthew makes Jesus refer to an event that occurred 39 years after his death in the past tense.
Referring to this passage, the Catholic scholar Dr. Hug says: "There cannot be a doubt, if we attend to the name, the fact and its circumstances, and the object of Jesus in citing it, that it was the same Zacharias Barouchos, who, according to Josephus, a short time before the destruction of Jerusalem, was unjustly slain in the temple."
Commenting on this passage, Prof. Newman says: "There is no other man known in history to whom the verse can allude. If so, it shows how late, how ignorant, how rash is the composer of a text passed off on us as sacred truth" (Religion not History, p. 46).
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Point 11: What did Jesus' own relatives think about him?
"When his relatives heard of this, they set out to take charge of him, convinced he was out of his mind." (Mark 3:21)
"Not even his brothers, in fact, had faith in him..." (John 7:5)
Of course, Jesus seemed to have a problem with family relationships.
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:26).
He appeared to follow his own advice. "His mother and brothers now arrived and, standing outside, sent in a message asking form him, 'Your mother and brothers and sisters are outside asking for you.' He replied, 'Who are my mother and my brothers?' And looking around at those sitting in a circle about him, he said, 'Here are my mother and brothers. Anyone who does the will of God, that person is my brother and sister and mother.'
Jesus expected his followers to be at war with their families:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10, 34, 35).
What kind of family values is that? No wonder his family thought him insane.

YOU JUDGE JESUS, YOU ARE SO UNBELIEVABLE
HOW CAN YOU DESCEND TO THIS LEVEL
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY OF YOU
TRULY THIS SCRIPTURE IS FULFILLED IN YOU

"YOU SPEAK EVIL OF WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by mustymatic(m): 3:07pm On Dec 08, 2016
Chikelue2000:
. Christians are Christ followers, they are gentle, kind, simple n peace loving. Burn d Bible, no one cares, insult Jesus, no one will touch u,
Will they do the same if it was their parents or other family members, I don't think so, even the pope says he will punch anyone in the face who tries that with his mother, why? Because he believes and know for sure his mum exists or existed, the problem with Christians today is cos they don't really believe in God, or Jesus, I'm not supporting violence mind you, that's the nature of man.
I'll stop replying you now
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Haroun13(m): 7:43pm On Dec 08, 2016
NOTE: THIS IS NOT TO SPITE ANYONE. THERE ARE SOME WORDS THAT HAVE TO BE USED, IN ORDER TO PUT ACROSS ONE'S POINTS. PLS, IF YOU FIND ANY INSULTING, DRAW MY ATTEND TO IT.

manmacho:


God is a merciful God, but his also a God of judgement
Of course. He is just. Also, Allah says in the Qur'an that he is severe in punishment, but His mercy embraces all.

his judgement for sin is death.
That doesn't sound like mercy to me. It sounds more like injustice, because God Almighty has made us imperfect, so, we sin, and the best of those who sin are those who repent. Anyways, are you saying before 'the blood', people were just dying like fishes in poisoned waters?, because man is prone to make mistakes.

what is the use of forgiveness when the nature of sin (flesh) is still alive
Well, even after 'the blood', there is still flesh, and hence sin, so, it means 'the blood' didn't do anything.

the reason why God could not Forgive Adam
So, you are saying Adam is going to hell?. Also, you said, and I quote "…God could not Forgive...". How can that be God. God can do anything. If you had said God didn't, or 'would not' forgive, it would mean that He can forgive, but doesn't, or didn't. But, when you use 'could not', it means He didn't have power to do that.

He sin caused death for the whole of humanity
Nope. That excludes me. My Lord and God, is just, and does not punish me for sins I didn't commit. If your bro (elder) does something wrong, and your dad punishes you for it, would you see that as just? Please, be truthful in your answer.

because God told him the day he eat the fruit he will die
that death is spiritual (Eternal separation from God)
If you say eternal, seems like you are implying that "your" Adam is going to hell

the remedy to this death is remission through the sacrifice of blood
an example is in the law of Moses where a lamb was used as an atonement for sin
this was a pointer to what God was still going to do in Christ Jesus
Through his death he gave us the remission of sin, healing to the body of Sin
He saved us and reconciled us to God, the relationship we lost through Adam.
Nope. I didn't lose anything, because I wasn't there when Adam sinned.
Also, where in the bible did Jesus say; if you don't accept 'the blood' you won't enter heaven?, because from what I read, Jesus said; "unless your good works exceed that of the pharisees and scribes, you will not enter heaven", not "unless you accept the blood".

So, brother don't depend on God forgiving you, God truly want to save you from the nature of sin
This just sounds worse. You make it seem as if sin is so big that God cannot overcome it easily, anyway, no wonder He had to sacrifice his son, part of himself, or an innocent man, according to different Christians, to overcome it.

YOU NEED THE REMISSION OF YOUR SIN NOT FORGIVENESS
What are you saying? There are still Christians, in fact, all Christians who claim to have accepted 'the blood" still sin, and need forgiveness of sin. So, again you nullify the role of "the blood".

if God forgive you today you will always need forgiveness
That's why we are humans.

and you will not meet the criteria to no him because God is Holy and cannot behold your SIN
You and I are human, and make mistakes. We can never be perfect, yet, that doesn't put any barrier between us and God.

Jesus is the solution to the world sin and forgiveness is truly available only to those who have accepted Jesus and not for an unbeliever like you. what you need is the REMISSION OF YOUR SIN, which can only happen when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour
Look, I have accepted Jesus (pbuh) as a messenger and prophet of God. Also, even after your "remission", you still sin like there's no tomorrow. So, what are you saying?

Except you want to claim that you are perfect, if your answer is NO, then you can never see God because God is perfect.
That only sounds like a cruel God, because He created us imperfect, and He still distances himself away from us. That doesn't sound like God to me. Allah says, "the sincere repentance of the sinner is more beloved to me than the piety of the pious".

the solution to seeing and meeting God after you die is to accept God's solution to Sin and perfection - JESUS THE SON OF GOD
First, I have accepted the true solution, which is to do your best to avoid sin, and when you sin, repent sincerely, because if someone has already died for my sins, my being on this earth is pointless because you are here to strive against sin and temptations, by worshipping God in total submission, not to accept any "blood". God created me to worship him (in all aspect, including, striving to do good and avoid evil), not to accept "some blood".

Also, when you say "son of God", what do you mean? If you mean "son of God", because he (Jesus) was a righteous servant of God, I agree. But if you say 'son', as in "begotten son", I do not agree.

THANK YOU
You are welcome.
I'll like your answers to my questions, and more explanations on many extravagant claims.


Like I said, this is not to spite, but to reason, so, I urge my brothers and sisters to apply reason to this!
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by essay123(m): 8:58pm On Dec 08, 2016
You guys are just waisting your time. Whether Jesus is God or not is not the issue. The most likely reason anyone is a Muslim or Christian today is because you were born into that religion. My dear OP if u were born in China u will probably be a buddist or whichever religion they have in China.
You where brought up with these teachings when u where kids and that makes it stuck to you. You believe it and ur ready to argue to any extent.
I used to believe Christianity was the best religion and wonder why Muslims couldn't notice. Now I don't care if u are a Muslim or Christian be good to your fellow men, love everyone and help people you can.
Now to be honest I always wonder why Muslims are so violent when it comes to blasphemy. Now instead of arguing that Jesus is God or not, why not find a means to contact your illiterate brothers in the north and find a means to let them know killing in the name of Allah is bad.
A YouTube video was uploaded online in denmark or so and an ambassador was killed in another country.
Or a man eating during Muslim fast that was beaten almost to death. And you are here arguing Jesus is not God.
My Christian brothers too, I once saw pastor oyedepo preaching and he said " I told God we need a new private Jet or if its God dat told him he needs a new private Jet, I can't remember".
God didn't tell him there are some beggers in the streets that are hungry.
God didn't tell him there are people in the hospital that need help.
Its private Jet that God needs him to buy.
Guys pls just have a free mind and imagine you where God and you have 2 children.
One was dying of cancer begging God and the other one was praying for a private Jet, which prayer will you answer first.
So when he buys the private jet he comes out and says God has answered our prayers. It is money that answereth his prayers.
Guys the world is an evil place, people hate one another, everyone believes his or her religion is the best, people kill one another over religion.
If the whole world believed in that single religion called love and respect, the world would ve been a better place.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by butterflylion: 11:36pm On Dec 09, 2016
Haroun13:

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful



I'll assume you are a Christian, so, lemme answer this way, in order to avoid a lengthy response.
The question is a funny one. It's like asking why God didn't save Jesus from the poison according to John 19:29-30, or better still, why didn't Jesus save himself (all according to your bible). You misunderstand a great deal. This world is not a place of enjoyment. The prophet, finished/completed his mission and went back to his Lord. However way he died is not the issue. Also, regarding the poison, assuming that's what killed him, then, he had the death of a martyr. No other death is better than this.
Although, there is no guarantee that the poison killed him.



Do you know that everything on the earth (except man and jinn kinds who have free will to choose to, or not) glorifies Allah, you do not know how. Allah commands what He wills.



How do you know that Muhammad ate dates that day. Also, assuming he did, did you not notice he lived for 3-4yrs after that?


Only one companion (Bishr) was reported to have died. Read above to get answers to the second part.


I don't know. There are over 1500-2000 million Muslims in the world. I barely know 100, so, I don't know what you expect.



Angel Gabriel peace be upon him can not heal anyone. He can certainly pray as he did, but it is ultimately Allah Almighty that decides what takes place and what not. And like I mentioned above, there is no guarantee that Muhammad died from the poison.
And even if we were to assume for a second that the Prophet did die from the poison after 3 long years of eating it, this still would not nullify Islam nor prove it to be wrong from your Christian point of view, because Jesus himself said:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37) "

Jesus himself recognized that the Jews kill the Prophets. So even if we were to assume that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was killed through poisoning by the Jews, this still, like I said, would not nullify Islam, nor prove it to be a false religion.
The Prophet's death three years after the poisoning incident while his companion died immediately after he ate from the poisoned lamb, clearly proves that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him (1) Died a natural death and not a poisoned one from eating from the poisoned lamb; (2) Allah Almighty protected the Prophet's life at that time; and (3) Islam is the Divine Truth; (4) Allah Almighty did a Mighty Miracle by having Prophet Muhammad survive the poison that he ate for 3 years, while his companion died few minutes after he ate it!

Also, your argument has no basis. It's like saying;

If I can't trust Jesus with teaching my children how to speak to their mother respectfully (Matthew 12:47-49 & John 2:3-4) I definitely can't trust him with my salvation.
Or
If I can't trust Jesus with avoiding the curse of God (Galatians 3:13) I definitely can't trust him with my salvation.
Or
If I can't trust Jesus with unhesitantly curing a sick child (Matthew 15:22-28) I definitely can't trust him with my salvation.

You need to realize that others could make "rules" as well. What really counts though is showing that they matter.



Volume 005, Book 059, Hadith Number 713.
Narated By Ibn Abbas : 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." 'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse: "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca..." (110.1)
Ibn 'Abbas replied, "That indicated the death of Allah's Apostle which Allah informed him of." 'Umar said, "I do not understand of it except what you understand."
(shows he was informed).

Is there anything wrong in their prayers?
Lemme ask a question. For example, your mum is sick, and she tells you she won't be able to make it, that she is certain (note: she knows how she feels inside, that's why she says such), will you stop praying because she said so? If you are truthful, your answer will be no.
Also, Allah sending revelations through Jibree does not necessarily mean that he (Jibreel) knows their meanings. He only knows of that which Allah has given him knowledge of, as shown in the garden, when Allah asked the Angels to name, they couldn't, but Adam did.



Basis?




Whether Muhammad prayed or not, does not nullify Islam. Also, this verse could refer to anyone. Allah says; say: I have no power... , it could refer to me or anyone. If for example, someone comes to me and is like "you are a holy person, why don't you have mansions, why aren't you wealthy", I am commanded by Allah to say the above verse.



Except, you twist it to your satisfaction.


Words. But since you used the word, I'm beginning to wonder who the actual liar is.




Baseless arguments. Allah is what he has been, is and will still be, the creator of all that exists, and the one who deserves to and should be worshipped.
NOTE: The meaning of the word Allah in arabic is the bolded. So, your claim of moon good with daughters, blah blah blah is just a baseless fallacy.
Also, you know what Ramadhan is, a month in the Islamic calendar, in which fasting has been made compulsory for us, like it was for those before us. Yet, you make baseless claims, in a desperate attempt to fault Islam.
Islam is perfect. "Today, I have perfected for you your religion, completed my favour upon you, and chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Qur'an 5:3)

This is not a matter of "trying again".
If you read my my previous and even this post, you'll find the answer, but I guess that's not what you are looking for.
Lemme summarize for you. Muhammad's mission was complete, so, he went to meet his Lord. Jesus' mission is not complete yet, hence, the ascension, and future descension.

A better question would be "Why is it Jesus returning, not Muhammad"?

As for why Allah - the Exalted - will send Jesus (Alayhis Salaam) at the end of time and not our Prophet (Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam), then Allah - the Exalted - Says:

{".and your Lord Creates what He Wills and Chooses. The choice is not for them."}

And this touches upon a wisdom: that the Christians lied regarding Jesus and fabricated on his behalf - they, and the Jews. So, the Christians claim that Jesus was killed by them, and the Prophet (Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam) informed us that at the end of time, he (Jesus) will descend. And if he descends, we can benefit from this in two ways:

Firstly: that the Prophet (Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam) spoke the truth, and that he is the seal of the Prophets, because he informed us of something that would happen in the future. Therefore, he is truthful in everything that he reports from his Lord.

Secondly: the Christians have lied in their fabrications regarding Jesus.
And from the additional wisdoms: that it will be truthfully shown that Muhammad (Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam) is the Seal of the Prophets, because if it was Muhammad (Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam) who descended, we would not benefit from that in any obvious way. But, if Jesus (Alayhis salaam) is the one who descends and then follows the Shari'ah of our Prophet, and ruled by it, and obligated the people to follow it, and obligated himself to follow it - and, also, prayed behind the expected Mahdi - all of this would undoubtedly show that the Prophet (Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam) is the seal of the Prophets, and that his Shari'ah is the seal of all the divine messages, and that nobody will benefit from claiming that he is a follower of Jesus - even if he had the original Gospel, without its alterations - because Jesus will rule by the Shari'ah of the Prophet (Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam).

And from the additional wisdom in this: that the death of the Anti-Christ will be by the hands of the true Christ, as the false Christ will be killed by Jesus the son of Mary - so the Masih of Kufr will be killed by the Masih of Iman.

And from the additional wisdom: that Jesus (Alayhis Salaam) is the one who gave glad tidings of the Prophet ((Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam)) in the Qur'an, as the Exalted mentions:
{".and a giver of glad tidings of a Messenger that will come after me whose name is Ahmad."} , and in the Gospel likewise.

So, he will descend to see if those who ascribe themselves to him listened to him - did they listen to his glad tidings? Or did they insistently remain upon their disbelief and stubbornness?
I hear that allah lies, is that true? If allah lies then everything you ve typed here could be lies.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Haroun13(m): 9:01am On Dec 11, 2016
butterflylion:

I hear that allah lies, is that true? If allah lies then everything you ve typed here could be lies.

You used the words; "I hear". Islam is not based on hearsay, but on the Qur'an and sunnah. So, why don't you go through the Qur'an and Authentic hadith and show me where it says that "Allah lies".

Also, you misunderstand the meaning of the word "Allah". Allah means "the one who deserves to be worshipped".
The Arabic word for god is ilah, which can be manipulated to feminine (goddess) or plural (gods), as in ilaha and ilahi.
But, the word "Allah" is unique, can't be made plural or feminine.
So, if you respect God, you'll respect the name "Allah".
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by mustymatic(m): 10:47am On Dec 11, 2016
manmacho:



Jesus is the only one that claim equality with the Father no one else dare -John 10:30 (i and my Father are one)

My friend you are quoting the bible out of context, Jesus didn't claim equality
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by orisa37: 12:06pm On Dec 11, 2016
You don't know Jesus Christ. Please stop preaching about what you're ignorant about Jesus is God of Light, a Good Image, God's Life, The Faith, The Hope, God of Peace and God inLove. Jesus is not an ordinary Prophet of the class of Mohammed, Elijah, King David etcetera. Jesus is Son of Man. Christ is Son of God, Heir to The Throne of Grace and The Omni Potent Supreme Spirit.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Musharraf: 6:01pm On Dec 11, 2016
orisa37:
You don't know Jesus Christ. Please stop preaching about what you're ignorant about Jesus is God of Light, a Good Image, God's Life, The Faith, The Hope, God of Peace and God inLove. Jesus is not an ordinary Prophet of the class of Mohammed, Elijah, King David etcetera. Jesus is Son of Man. Christ is Son of God, Heir to The Throne of Grace and The Omni Potent Supreme Spirit.

I understand everything, only God can guide one to the right path, our own is just to admonish you,

Allah says in Q2vs18

"They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path)."

If you had made good use of the books sent to all the prophets of God and your conscience, then you shoulf have been able to testify to the truth as the believers do by using their intelligence. This way they would also have returned to their original innate nature; as a result, they would have lived their lives according to God’s commands and prohibitions.

Truly, God says they are deaf because, while every creature in the universe announces the existence of God in its unique tongue, they are incapable of hearing that. They are dumb because they are incapable of acknowledging what they feel in their inner consciousness. They are blind because they cannot see the ways which lead humans to the truth of God’s existence and His oneness.

As a matter of fact, if they had taken time to think, then they could have found the ways leading to faith easily. Indeed, the obstinate unbelievers of the city of Mecca had persecuted the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, and his companions for long years. Yet, when they truly recognized how Muslims were and how they lived in an environment of peace after the Hudaybiya Treaty, the unbelievers turned their heads towards the right path saying, “We have been in great error!” For such a level of realization to be possible for unbelievers is largely dependent on their endeavor to think and to make a rational assessment.

God back to your bible and read about the ends of the people that God sent His prophets to.

How I wish, I only wish, that the truth has a tongue.

Mind you, if you don't know, ones religion can NEVER be completed as a Muslim if one does not believe in Jesus (PBUH), believe in the book sent to him (Jesus) from God which is bible, not the bible that Christianity of nowadays are using,
I am talking about the ORIGINAL bible.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by orisa37: 6:18pm On Dec 11, 2016
The Conscience(The Soul) of every one shall be judged. And for The Christians, Christ is The Propitiation for our sins.
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by foyeks2001(f): 7:03pm On Dec 11, 2016
mustymatic:

Will they do the same if it was their parents or other family members, I don't think so, even the pope says he will punch anyone in the face who tries that with his mother, why? Because he believes and know for sure his mum exists or existed, the problem with Christians today is cos they don't really believe in God, or Jesus, I'm not supporting violence mind you, that's the nature of man.
I'll stop replying you now

Proverbs 8 King James Version (KJV)
Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the
LORD.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

NB: That is all what u needed to know about Our Lord Jesus Christ
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by mustymatic(m): 1:26am On Dec 12, 2016
foyeks2001:


Proverbs 8 King James Version (KJV)
Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the
LORD.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

NB: That is all what u needed to know about Our Lord Jesus Christ
Actually, I don't need these because ayam not understanding grin
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by foyeks2001(f): 1:56am On Dec 12, 2016
mustymatic:

Actually, I don't need these because ayam not understanding grin

What are you not understanding?
Discard the nonsense u wrote about Christ.... If you want to know about Jesus, kindly read that chapter again and again...
Jesus was God's first creation.... He was with God B4 everything was made
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Auki: 7:26am On Dec 12, 2016
foyeks2001:


What are you not understanding?
Discard the nonsense u wrote about Christ.... If you want to know about Jesus, kindly read that chapter again and again...
Jesus was God's first creation.... He was with God B4 everything was made

Receive Sense. Read what you wrote twice.

Jesus was God's first creation. You means Jesus was CREATED by God. God is the creator, Jesus is God's creation.

He was with God B4 everything was made.

I was with Seun B4 he started Nairaland. Am I Seun
Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by Musharraf: 8:38am On Dec 12, 2016
Auki:


Receive Sense. Read what you wrote twice.

Jesus was God's first creation. You means Jesus was CREATED by God. God is the creator, Jesus is God's creation.

He was with God B4 everything was made.

I was with Seun B4 he started Nairaland. Am I Seun

Toh!!!
I wonder ooo, help me to ask him abeg

Re: The Truth About Christ Jesus {peace Be Unto Him) by mumels(m): 9:45am On Dec 12, 2016
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MUSLIMS. JUST ANSWER HONESTLY.
WHY IS IT THAT ANY ARGUMENT YOU HAVE IS AGAINST THE BIBLE AND THE POWER OF JESUS?

WHY DO YOU MUSLIMS PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THE BIBLE THAN EVEN YOUR KORAN?

WHAF MAKES JESUS SO SPECIAL THAT YOU KEEP FINDING WAYS TO MAKE FUN OF HIS LIFE DEATH AND RESURRECTION?

WHY DO MUSLIMS TAKE TIME TO READ AND CRITIZE THE BIBLE BOTH IN AND OUT OF CONTEXT, WHILE THEY DON'T WANT ANYONE TO CRITIZE THE KORAN? YOU PEOPLE WANT EVERYONE TO JUST TAKE THE KORAN HOOK LINE AND SINKER.

LASTLY WHY ARE MORE AND MORE MUSLIMS TROOPING TO THE WEST AND EUROPE? WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT THESE CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES THAT'S MISSING IN THE MUSLIM WORLD?

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