An2elect2:
Every man knows there is God but our hearts are deceitful !

Look what the religion of atheism has reduced this great section to. We were suppose to be fending for one another and growing in faith but here we are

An2elect2:
Every man knows there is God but our hearts are deceitful !

Look what the religion of atheism has reduced this great section to. We were suppose to be fending for one another and growing in faith but here we are

randomperson:

Let's pray to god to exterminate all the atheists... The way he did with the amalekites... 3 days fasting and prayer

The Lord does not delight in the death of a sinner. We must endure all things for your sake. Who knows who God has elected among you to suffer like Christ and glory in Him

ayoku777:


One of the ways to edify the sheep is by going after the bears and lions that seek to snatch them, just as David did for his father's sheep.

But you're right, the best way to edify the brethren is to lead them into a tangible spiritual experience with the glory of Christ. You can't justify any nonesense to someone who has seen the glory of Christ.

We will get there.

Shalom

What do you mean by tangible spiritual experience?

An2elect2:
The Lord does not delight in the death of a sinner. We must endure all things for your sake. Who knows who God has elected among you to suffer like Christ and glory in Him

randomperson:

Are u sure?? Do u know how many sinners God killed in the old testament alone??

'delight in' Must you miss that all the time?

An2elect2:
'delight in' Must you miss that all the time?

randomperson:

Oookay... He doesn't delight in it... He just reluctantly made two bears devour 42 children. He must be a good god then

His ways are not your ways. He that created everything doesnt he have the right to destroy everything?

ayoku777:
It is SIMPLY a basic scientific fact that Space, Time, Energy and Matter (STEM) and the Laws of nature (Physics, Chemistry and Biological laws) had a beginning. Scientifically, nothing can exist "since eternity past" or "from backward infinity". Or in layman's language, there is nothing without a beginning. Eternity past or everlasting pre-existence is only a philosophical or theological term -not scientific.

So now if scientifically, STEM and the Laws of nature had a beginning -a point of creation; then it means, something (and to be a fully open-minded free thinker; or someone) created STEM and the Laws of Nature.

Now if something (or someone) created Space, Time, Energy and Matter (STEM) and the Laws of nature (Physics, Chemistry and Biological laws); then this can only be the logical qualities of that thing:


1. It pre-exists STEM and the Laws of Nature. To create something, you must be before what you create.


2. It exists outside the context of the reality of STEM and the Laws of Nature. Something that created Space, Time, energy and matter must be able to exist outside of the reality of STEM and the laws of nature, even though it may still be able to exert control over STEM and the Laws of Nature.


3. Something that created the Laws of Nature, must logically not require the laws of nature to be creative. It doesn't require the permission of the laws of nature to act. And since it created STEM, it must logically not be bound by the limitations of space, time, energy and matter to get things in motion.


Now, based on the afore logical qualities of what could have given STEM and the laws of nature their scientific beginning, let me ask;

What do you call that thing, that pre-exists and supersedes the laws of nature, something that can exist outside the reality of the laws of nature and exert control over the laws of nature, and something that doesn't require the laws of nature to be creative; and is not bound by the limitations of space, time, energy and matter to get something in motion?

Well, ladies and gentlemen, you just accurately defined SUPERNATURAL POWER.

Without quoting any bible verse, but simply drawing logical conclusion from established scientific facts; you have proved the existence of supernatural power.

So science, by it's own logical definition of itself, and it's own logical explanation of it's origin; admits and alludes to the existence of the supernatural.

It is therefore unscientific to deny the supernatural, it is unscientific to deny the possibility of miracles. It is unscientific to believe that nothing can defy the laws of nature.

I am a TRUE scientist, that is why I believe in the supernatural and in miracles.

Shalom

An2elect2:
His ways are not your ways. He that created everything doesnt he have the right to destroy everything?

An2elect2:


What do you mean by tangible spiritual experience?

randomperson:

We are back here?.. Trying to justify the gruesome murder of children... And I agree BTW, my ways are more sensible and more humane. I mean... I don't kill the children that disrespect me, I only correct them

God has not killed any of His children either! We are all safe
You see everyman as God's beloved but God sees differently.

ayoku777:


I mean this;

1Cor 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Most Christians have their faith standing in the wisdom of man, maybe their pastor, or fellow brethren; and not in the power of God.

That is why when a more enticing words of man's wisdom comes along, they are confused and start second guessing what they believe.

That's why Jesus said;

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Let's not derail the topic though

Shalom

Okay thanks

An2elect2:
God has not killed any of His children either! We are all safe
You see everyman as God's beloved but God sees differently.

randomperson:

Oookay... He doesn't delight in it... He just reluctantly made two bears devour 42 children. He must be a good god then

randomperson:

Are u sure about that? Are y'all really safe? Just yesterday scores of people lost their lives while worshiping him in his presence.... So am confused

Christ died for all the beloved of God. His death was our death. In him we died to this world. How can we die again? We can only sleep.

An2elect2:
Christ died for all the beloved of God. His death was our death. In him we died to this world. How can we die again? We can only sleep.

randomperson:

First, it was "we are all safe", now it's " we can only sleep". U better make up your mind... And would u rather "go to sleep" by having your head smashed to pieces?

ayoku777:


https://www.nairaland.com/2340563/why-did-god-kill-42#34158904

Look up this post. It answers your wrong assumption

Shalom

randomperson:

First, it was "we are all safe", now it's " we can only sleep". U better make up your mind... And would u rather "go to sleep" by having your head smashed to pieces?

If its for the sake of Christ. Why not? The Holyspirit is in us for a lot. He didnt forsake the apostles when they faced their glorious death; which is not death anyway but 'sleep' (taking off their mortal bodies) for they are still alive

randomperson:

So god didn't kill them, but Elisha a prophet appointed by god did and god sat back and watched those bears devour them?? God is good, all the time
BTW, Elisha simply cursed those kids, god took it to the next level

An2elect2:
If its for the sake of Christ. Why not? The Holyspirit is in us for a lot. He didnt forsake the apostles when they faced their glorious death; which is not death anyway but 'sleep' (taking off their mortal bodies) for they are still alive

obisage:
I was an atheist, later an agnostic and now a theists but doesn't belong to any religion for now. I have always longed for explanation, definition and demystification of the Deity/Deities that controls/control this universe without using a particular religious book to do so. today I'm happy I have seen one... at least am convinced that there are supernatural powers for now...

next quest is to find out the best way to please that/those Deity/Deities...

please don't come here to tell me about your Church. when I get what I'm looking for I'll know

Niflheim:
1."Eternity past is only a theological term, not scientific"-----------------------Just like jehova
2."Nothing can exist till eternity past"...................................We have mathematical models(proof), that such a reality can exist!!! What is the name of your science teacher?!!!

3."Then this can only be the logical qualities"...........................Are you a Professor of Quantum Physics or Theoretical Physics?!!! Show me your mathematical models which you used to arrive at this "lazy" conclusion!!!

4."To create something, you must be before what you created"..........................You obviously have never heard of "Retrocasuality"!!!

5."It exists outside the context of the reality of STEM"............................But energy and matter existed before the "Planck Epoch", so what tha Bleep are you talking about?!!!

6."And since it created STEM"...................You have no proof that energy and matter were created!!! Present your evidence and claim your NOBEL PRIZE!!!

7."What do you call that thing that preexists and supercedes the law of nature"..........................MY ANSWER: THE WEIRD AND SPOOKY REALM OF THE QUANTUM WORLD / YOUR ANSWER: JEHOVA / HINDU ANSWER: SHIVA / YAZIDI ANSWER: SATAN

8."It is therefore unscientific to deny the supernatural"..........................The japanese believe that coojing pots will come to life after 100 years!!! If I hear say you deny this Supernatural ehnn!!!

9.

randomperson:

Sake of Christ?? These people are not martyrs. No purpose is served by their death. If anything, it makes people question the veracity of the bible's claims... Or have u not read psalm 91?? Where God promised to protect u people?? Is the promise no more operative?
And na your kind they run if them hear boko haram

I am not speaking for those who recently died. I am speaking for christians who die for the sake of Christ.
Have you not read the bible? If you have you should know not everyone that calls Him Lord is His

hopefulLandlord:


his answer on that thread makes no sense

the specific curse wasn't stated but what was the probably that Elisha said "You called me bald and laugh at me? bears shall come out in a few minutes to devour all 42 of you"

can someone sincerely tell me the probability that Elisha said something like that? you'll realise the chances are slim to none

Elisha probably said something angry like a man being made fun of would but Yahweh in his infinite mercy decided to show his power

I swear Ayoku777 possesses much better judgemental abilities than the imaginary Jewish folklore friend he claims to serve

Jimmyo3:
"but Yahweh in his infinite mercy decided to show his power"... You know nothing about the nature of man,don't you know that man have the qualities and attributes of His creator. Don't you know that you have the power within you to decree a thing and see it happen as you decree?. If Elisha really said what you claimed then you have no right to accuse God. Those kids were devoured based on Elisha's strong believe, even science has proved that things happen as you believe.

hopefulLandlord:


read my post again

this time S L O W L Y