Point No.1 - We deal with Astronomy. The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… ‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days. Qur’an too speaks about six ‘ayyams’. The Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’. It can either mean a day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, an ‘yaum’, an epoch. Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe - it could have been created in 6 very long periods.

Point No.2 - Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? - It is unscientific.

Point No.3 - Further, the, Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth ? The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?

Point No, 4 - Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says… ‘Earth was created on the third day.’ Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.’ Today science tells us… ‘Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.

Point No. 5 - The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day. How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight ?

Point No.6 - The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’ And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses – Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth… To give light to the earth.’ Indicating, that Sun and the Moon has its own light - which is in contradiction with established scientific knowledge that we have. There are certain people who try and reconciliate, and say that the six days mentioned in the Bible, it actually refers to epocs - like the Qur’an long periods - not six, 24 hour day. It is illogical - you read in the Bible, evening, morning - It clearly states 24 hours, it indicates. But even if I use the concordance approach - no problem. I agree with your illogical argument - Yet they will only be able to solve the 1st scientific error of 6 days creation, and second, of first day ‘light’ and 3rd day ‘earth.’ The remaining four, yet they cannot solve. Some further say that… ‘If it is a 24-hour period, why cannot the vegetables survive for one 24 hour day without sunlight?’ I say ‘Fine - If you say that the vegetables were created before the sun, and can survive for one 24-hour day, I have got no objection. But you cannot say the days mentioned are 24 hours as well as epochs - You cannot have the cake and eat it, both. If you say it is long period, you solve Point No.1 and 3, the remaining 4 are yet there. If you say the days are 24 hours day, you solve only Point No.5 - the remaining 5 are yet there - It becomes unscientific. I leave it to Dr. William Campbell, whether he wants to say… ‘It is long period’, and say that there are only 4 scientific errors - or say… ‘It is a 24 hour day’, and say there is only 5 scientific errors in the creation of the universe.

Point No. 7 - Regarding the concept of Earth, there are various Scientists who have described… ‘How will the world end.’ Hypothesis - Some may be right, some may be wrong. But either the world will perish or the world will live forever. Both cannot take place simultaneously – It is unscientific. But this is exactly what the Bible says. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse No.25 and 26, that…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish.’ Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch. No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that… ‘The earth will abide forever.’ I leave it to Dr. William Campbell to choose which of the two Verses are unscientific - the first pair or the second pair. One has to be unscientific - Both cannot take place. The world cannot abide forever as well as perish – It is unscientific.

Point No. 8 - Regarding ‘the Heavens’, the Bible says in Job, Ch. 26, Verse 11, that…‘The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.’ Qur’an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No.10, that…‘The Heavens are without any pillars - Don`t you see? Don’t you see the Heavens are without any pillars? - Bible says heaven have got pillars.

Point No. 9 - Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… ‘Even the earth have got pillars.’

Point No. 10 - In the field of ‘Diet and Nutrition’ lets analyse, what does the Bible say. The Bible says in the book of Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No.29, that… ‘God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.’ New International Version says… ‘The seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.’ Today, even a layman knows that there are several poisonous plants like wild berries, stritchi, datura, plants containing alkaloid, polyander, bacaipoid - that which if you ingest, if you eat there are high possibilities you may die. How come the Creator of the universe and the human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die. I hope Dr. William Campbell does not give these vegetarian diet to his patients.

Point No. 11 - The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that… ‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’ This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the ‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer. In the past 10 years of my life, I have personally interacted with thousands of Christians, including missionaries - I have not come across a single Christian, who has passed this confirmatory test of the Bible. I have not come across a single Christian who took poison - I have not come across any who took poison, and who has not died. And in scientific terminology, this is also called as the ‘falsification test’ That means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he will die. And a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a true Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try and attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true Christian believer, will never attempt this test. I have read the book ‘The Qur’an and the Bible in the light of history and science’ written by Dr. William Campbell. And I assume - that he is a true Christian believer, and at least I would like him to confirm to me about the falsification test. Please be rest assured… Please be rest assured, I will not ask Dr. William Campbell to have deadly poison - Because I don’t want to jeopardize the debate. What I’ll do - I will only ask him to speak in foreign tongues… In new languages. And as many of you may be aware that India is a land, which has more than 1000 languages and dialects. Only thing I request him is, to say these 3 words… ‘One hundred rupees’, in the 17 official languages. There are only 17 official languages in India and to make it easier for Dr. William Campbell, I have got a ‘One hundred-rupee note.’ And this has all the 17 languages mentioned here. Besides English and Hindi, I will help him. I give him a beginning –‘Ek sav rupaiya, In Hindi. The remaining 15 languages are here - I request him to read. I know the test says… ‘They will speak foreign languages on their own, without the help of reading’ - but I want to make the test easier, I want to see someone passing the test - I’ve not seen any one. So if he cannot say it on his own, or from his memory, at least read it. I don’t mind I’ll accept it. And I would request the chairperson to give it to Dr. William Campbell. He has his rebuttal - 15 languages, ‘Ek sav rupaiya’… 3 words only. What does the Bible say regarding ‘Hydrology’? Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13 to 17, that… ‘After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and after the flood’ subsided, He said… ‘I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. To the unscientific person it may be quite good… ‘Oh rainbow is a sign of Almighty God, never to submerge the world by flood again.’ But today we know very well, that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah, peace be upon him. To say it was not there before Noah’s time you have to assume that the law of refraction did not exist - which is unscientific.’

Point No. 12 - In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy… disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that… ‘Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water - later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it. Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as well as toxin - I hope Dr. William Campbell does not use this method of disinfecting the OT, the operation theatre.

Point No. 13 - It is mentioned in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.12, Verse No.1 to 5, and we know medically, that after a mother gives birth to a child, the post-partal period, it is unhygienic. To say it is ‘unclean’, Religiously - I have got no objection. But Leviticus, Ch. No.12 Verse No.1 to 5, says that… ‘After a woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 33 days more. If she gives birth to a female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child… ‘a son’, she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child… ‘a daughter’, she is unclean for 80 days. I would like Dr. William Campbell to explain to me scientifically, how come a woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a female child, as compared to a male child.

Point No. 14 - The Bible also has a very good test for adultery - How to come to know a woman has committed adultery. In the book of Numbers, Ch. no.5 Verse No, 11 to 31, I’ll just say in brief, it says that… ‘The priest should take holy water in a vessel, take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And that is the bitter water ‘And after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the people. If the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she will bear the seed. A novel method of identifying whether a woman has committed adultery or not. You know today in the world, there are thousands of cases pending in different parts of the world, in different courts of law - only on the assumption that someone has alleged that a woman has committed adultery. I had read in the newspapers, and I came to know from the media, that the President of this great country Mr. Bill Clinton, he was involved in a sex scandal about 2 years back. I wonder, that why did not the American court use this ‘bitter water test’ for adultery? He would have gone scot-free immediately. Why did not the Christian missionaries of this great country, specially those who are in the medical field like my respected Dr. William Campbell, use this bitter water test to bail out their President, immediately.

Point No. 15 - ‘Mathematics’ is a branch, which is closely associated with science, with which you can solve problems, etc. There are thousands of contradictions in the Bible - hundreds deal with mathematics, and I’ll first touch on few of them. It is mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.1, and Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.6, the context that… ‘When the people returned from exile, from Babylon, when king Nebucheldeser of Babylon, when he released the men from Israel, they came back from captivity’ - and the list of the people are given. The list is given in Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.2 to 63, and Nehemiah Ch. No.7, Verse No.7 up to 65; the list is given with the names as well as number of people released. In these 60 Verses there are no less than 18 times - the name is exactly the same but the number is different. There are no less than 18 contradictions in less than 60 Verses, of these two Chapters. This is the list - I don’t have time to run through the list - There are no less than 18 different contradictions in less than 60 Verses.

Point No. 16 - Further it is mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2 Verse No.64 that… ‘The total congregation, if you add up… if you add up, it comes to 42,360.’ And if you read in Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.66, there also the total is the same 42,360. But if you add up all these verses - which I had to do my homework - this is the list of Ezra… this is the list of Nehemiah. Ezra Ch. No 2, Nehemiah Ch. No 7 - If you add up - I had to do my homework…if you add up, Ezra Ch. No. 2 - It does not come to 42,360 - it comes to 29,818. And if you add up Nehemiah, Ch. No. 7, even then it does not come to 42,360 - It comes to 31,089. The author of the Bible, presumed to be ‘Almighty God’, does not know simple addition. If you give this problem, even to a person who has passed elementary school, he will be able to get the right answer. If you add up all the 60 Verses, it is so easy. Almighty God did not know adding – Nauzubillah… if we presume, that this is the word of God.

Point No. 17 - Further, if we read, in Ezra Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 65, it says…There were 200 singing men and women - Nehemiah Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 67…‘There were 245 singing men and women.’ Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same - A mathematical contradiction.

Point No. 18 - It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Ch. No 24, Verse No 8, that…‘Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he began to reign Jerusalem, and he reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 36, Verse No 9, says that…‘Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and he reigned for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he 8 years old?

Point No. 19 - Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10 days?

Point No. 20 - Further, it is mentioned in the 1st Kings, Ch. No 7, Verse No 26, that…‘In Solomon’s temple, in his molten sea, he had 2000 baths. In 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 4, Verse No 5, he had 3000 baths. Did he have 2000 baths or did he have 3000 baths? – That, I leave it upon Dr. William Campbell to decide which is correct. There is a clear-cut mathematical contradiction.

Point No. 21 - Furthermore. it is mentioned in the First Kings, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 33, that… ‘Basha, he died in the 26th year of reign of Asa.’ And 2nd Chronicles Ch. No 16, Verse No 1, says that…‘Basha invaded Judah in the 36th years of the reign of Asa.’ How can Basha invade 10 years after his death? - It is unscientific.

(Point No. 22 - Almighty God - He said, “I put up a rainbow in the sky, as a promise to the human kind, never to submerge the world again by water”.)

Can you tell us about the science involved when mohammed divided the moon into two and made it bow down to him?. . . . .

What about the numerous scientific jargoons written in your own copy and paste koran?

Bones Before Muscle? The Koran got it wrong!

Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh , " (Al-Baqara 2:259)

The Koran gives the impression that first the skeleton is formed, and then it is clothed with mustle. The muscles and the cartilage precursors of the bones start forming from the somite at the same time. At the end of the eighth week there are only a few centers of ossification started but the fetus is already capable of some muscular movement. Besides bones don't develop before the flesh, as in case of abortion we never see the abortus formed of a skeleton only without flesh, as medicine is telling that body parts are developing all together, so bones develop at the same time as flesh. So the bones never been clothed by flesh as the quran said The quran puts the creation in this order
Fertilisation
cell formation
bones
flesh

In fact, flesh formation begins before bone structure. "Cellular division forming bone tissue takes place after flesh and organs begin developing"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesh




The earth is it fixed or moving?

Al-Tabry said that:" God has affixed into the Earth Mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you to the right and left, causing troubles so they let the earth settle down with you
Al-Quortoby said: narrated Anes Ibn malek, the prophet: when the earth was created, it was shaking, so God made the mountains over it, so it settled down, and the angels were wondering for that

The question is: does that accord with science? How could the Mountains affix the earth and hinder it from movement? Isn't it well approved by science that the earth is in continuous motion, spinning around itself, once in every 24 hours, and spinning around the sun once in each year?

Sura 36:40
"it is not permitted to the sun to catch up the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day, each just swims along in its own orbit"


Firstly if we simply look up into the sky we can undertstand it for ourselves."The only way the verse can be accurate is if mohammed is taking about an ellipse".The moon from a visual perspective catches up with the sun.

Furthermore the greeks knew about orbits before Muhammad. Therefore no new revelation was revealed.

Additionally the quran states that the night cannot outstrip the day. Wrong!!!The night is longer than the day in polar regions in cetain times of the year.

In 36:38 we see this
"The sun runs its course to a settled place"
What is this settled place? Scholars argue that this is the place that the sun rest when it's usefulness had diminished. This is wrong, the sun does not have a settled place on earth. muslims would use this.

"When he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and found a people thereabout. We said: ?O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness"? (Surah 18:86).

What!! The sun settles in a muddy spring?

So deal with the so many scientific errors that abound in your own koran before pointing fingers and the book of others. . . .

More jargoons are nonsense lies and stupidity from the koran. . . . .

sura 78:6 "Have WE not made the earth as a bed, And the mountains as pegs"

sura 71:19 "And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet"

Sura 20:53 "[Since he is the one] Who has laid out the earth as a carpet for you"

sura 51:48 "And the earth we have spread out, and how excellently do we spread it out!"

sura 88:20 "Nor even how the earth has been flattened out?"

All these arabic words describe the shape of the earth as flat. However modern science tells us that "the Earth's shape is a sphere. . . . .This science of the koran is incredibly wrong, the earth and its surface depended upon the constant cooling and heated implosion, its nuclear and gravity, not mountain-like pegs that hold the earth and centre together with the surface. . . . . those expressions in the koran are the typical scientific postulates of the ancient bronze aged arabic minds.

More jargoons and nonsense from the koran. . . . .The book of lies and myth. . .

The sunset.


And they ask about Dhu'l-Qarnayn. Say: "I will give you this account of him." We established him firmly in the land and We gave him access to everything. And so he followed a course; Then, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found that it sets in a spring of black mud and found, by it, a people.Sura 18:83-86

Firstly the sun cannot set in the spring of black mud because the sun is much bigger than the earth. The sun has a mass of 1.9891 x 10 to the power of 30 kilos( about 330,000 times the mass of earth), Furthermore it is known that compared with the earth, the sun is big. It would take about 109 planets the size of the earth, side by side, to stretch across the diameter of the sun. This means that the volume of the sun is more than a million times the volume of the earth.

The simple conclusion is that the sun cannot come into contact with earth because this would result in total destruction of the earth.

Muslims argue that the setting of the sun in the muddy spring is not to be taken literally. They argue that from a visual perspective, it looks like it's setting in the spring but it's not.
However that this is not true, "as it was said that allah gave Alexander the great everything, and granted him the knowledge, so he was under the commandment of allah and his guidance, he was following the knowledge and not the mere vision"

The mere fact that it says that alexander the great "found it" confirms that he went by himself and actually found the sun setting in a muddy spring. So if muslims argue that it looks like the sun is setting in a muddy spring but it isn't then they going against their Quran which confirms that Alexander the Great did find the sun in a muddy spring. However the mere fact of the sun in the muddy spring is wrong because the sun is bigger than the earth and therefore would cause damage to earth. Therefore the koran is false QED. . . . .

Where is law prince to come and defend the lying koran?

Formation of sperm error

Take a look at this. Sura 86:5-7

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs,"

He is created from a drop emitted-proceeding between the backbone and the ribs.

The verse is telling us that sperm comes from between the backbone and the ribs. Therefore we can assume that it is formed in the chest area, since the chest area is between these two. The abdomen is below the backbone and the ribs. The testicles are far below that. However scientist have shown that "Sperm is made in the testes where it takes about 72 days for one sperm to grow." Clearly the quran does not know where sperm comes from.

However many muslims argue that the quranic verse in question is valid. Carm.org(2007) argue that "The response that Muslims give to this problem is that the testicles, during the embryonic formation, descend from an area below the kidneys. Since the kidneys are in the abdominal area, they assert that the Qur'an miraculously and with scientific accuracy portrays what could not have been known except by God; namely, that in the embryonic development, the testicles were up in the chest area."

Is this accurate?

The answer is no. The testicles are not formed in the chest. Cooper(2006) states that "When the testicle is formed it is located in the abdomen. In most boys it comes down into the scrotum by birth". This is supported by http://urology.jhu.edu(2007). "The testicles are formed inside the abdomen, and gradually migrate down"

Conclusions
Testicles are not from the chest area and thus sperm is not from the chest area.

More nonsense from the koran and hadiths. . . .

In the Hadith(Bukhari 4:483, 486) Muhammad explains the cause of fever and the reason for high body temperatures - they come from the fire of hell. From today's medical studies, we know the real cause of fevers

Muhammad said that camel's urine should be drank as medicine for those who are feeling sick (Bukhari 1:234). He sometimes spat on his clothes (1:242). He let people catch his own spit and then rub it on their faces and skin (3:891). To someone else, he ejected a mouthful of water on them (1:188). After washing himself, Muhammad would give his dirty water to his followers to drink and smear themselves with (1:187-188)

You can go on and on. . .

Nice one oga d law'

@mazaje- when people are talking keep off, you are an atheist equivalent to an animal,

you said even man was not created but evolved. Brain of animal

muhsin:

You can go on and on. . .

Sure and I will. . . .

More jargoons from the book of allah. . . .

Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

According to the koran the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

Quran 21: 32 And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

Quran 31: 10 He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…

Quran 2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy

Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions of light years away in all directions. Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs pillars for support? Do we really have a roof above us? Is there a canopy above the Earth? Is there anything called above or beneath us? Are mountains there to prevent Earth from shaking? Give me a break!

Once again Allah considered sky as roof over the Earth, which will broke/shattered during dooms day

Quran 78: 19 And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens…

Quran 82: 1 When the Sky is cleft asunder

Quran 69: 16 And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will That day be flimsy (soft)

Quran 81: 2 When the stars fall, losing their luster.

Does allah really know what the stars are? he said they will fall? fall into the earth or where?

Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?
Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…

Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood

There are serious scientific problems here:

Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot.

Abuzola:

@mazaje- when people are talking keep off, you are an atheist equivalent to an animal,

Shut up and be quite you slave of allah and mohammed. . . .Yes atheist are animals yet your fellow muslims are running in droves to come and to come and live with us in europe than live in their moslem lands. . , crazy people

you said even man was not created but evolved. Brain of animal

And your own koran says that man was created from mud eh? brain less than that of an animal. . .

mazaje:

Sure and I will. . . .

More jargoons from the book of allah. . . .

Or instead more gibberish from your copy and paste steriotypical postings habit. And no originality. SHAME!

muhsin:

Or instead more gibberish from your copy and paste steriotypical postings habit. And no originality. SHAME!

I didn't see you try to refute any of the copy and paste. . . .The OP copied and pasted arguments that were not his own showing that the bible contains some scientific errors, I did not see you tell him that copying and pasting is a shamefull act. . .Is copying and pasting a shamefull act only when it exposes the scientific errors of the koran?

Are you fed up of ur copy and paste ?

Abuzola:

Are you fed up of your copy and paste ?

Are what I copied and pasted false?. . . . . . .stop dwelling on the fact that I copied and pasted. . .show how true the koranic assertions are simple. . . .

mazaje:

I didn't see you try to refute any of the copy and paste. . . .The OP copied and pasted arguments that were not his own showing that the bible contains some scientific errors, I did not see you tell him that copying and pasting is a shamefull act. . .Is copying and pasting a shamefull act only when it exposes the scientific errors of the koran?

I wasn't sure either his was copied and pasted; but yours. . .the telling is not necessary. I could have even give you the link.

muhsin:

I wasn't sure either his was copied and pasted; but yours. . .the telling is not necessary. I could have even give you the link.

I laugh in latin. . . why are you dwelling on the acting of copy and paste why not deal with the meat. . .

Lets begin, does the sun set in muddy waters as the word of allah says? YES OR NO?

I, in return, laugh in Hausa. And conclude that you are maza[i]re[/i].

Read the OP's title.

Start a fresh thread for your 'questions'.

muhsin:

I, in return, laugh in Hausa. And conclude that you are maza[i]re[/i].

Read the OP's title.

Start a fresh thread for your 'questions'.

No need starting a new thread you can answer the questions here, I just want to know if man is created From clotted blood as the koran says a simple yes or no will do?

rebuttal to the "scientific errors" in the bible . . .

Point No.1 -  We deal with Astronomy. The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… ‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days. Qur’an too speaks about six ‘ayyams’. The Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’. It can either mean a day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, an ‘yaum’, an epoch. Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe - it could have been created in 6 very long periods.

this makes absolutely no sense because scientists also tell us that the earth cannot even be created by a deity but appeared from a primordial soup over billions of years . . . a claim that would also make the quran's account a SCIENTIFIC ERROR!
The point of the bible (whether you believe it or not) is that God is all-powerful and could create the earth in one second if He so chose to.

Point No.2 - Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’.  How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? - It is unscientific.

If you're not a believer then this truly makes no sense . . . but if you are a true born-again child of God then you would know that God Himself was LIGHT for the first 3 days before the sun was created. The bible supports this quite clearly - Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

So it is quite possible that before God decided to create the sun to light the earth, He Himself was that light.

Point No.3 - Further, the, Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth ?  The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?

Actually this is false . . . Gen 1:2 tells us the earth was already in existence - Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

What was created in Gen 1:9 was to separate the seas from dry land.

Point No, 4 - Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says… ‘Earth was created on the third day.’  Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.’ Today science tells us… ‘Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.

Similar to point #1, God is not bound by man's scientific laws. Science has no proof at all that the earth cannot come into existence before the sun because science doesnt even have the tiniest idea how the earth and the sun appeared in the first place.

Point No. 5 - The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day. How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight ?

Already discussed under point #2, light was available since Gen 1:3.

Point No.6 - The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’ And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses – Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth…  To give light to the earth.’ Indicating, that Sun and the Moon has its own light - which is in contradiction with established scientific knowledge that we have. There are certain people who try and reconciliate, and say that the six days mentioned in the Bible, it actually refers to epocs - like the Qur’an long periods - not six, 24 hour day. It is illogical - you read in the Bible, evening, morning - It clearly states 24 hours, it indicates. But even if I use the concordance approach - no problem. I agree with your illogical argument - Yet they will only be able to solve the 1st scientific error of 6 days creation, and second, of first day ‘light’ and 3rd day ‘earth.’ The remaining four, yet they cannot solve. Some further say that… ‘If it is a 24-hour period, why cannot the vegetables survive for one 24 hour day without sunlight?’ I say ‘Fine - If you say that the vegetables were created before the sun, and can survive for one 24-hour day, I have got no objection. But you cannot say the days mentioned are 24 hours as well as epochs - You cannot have the cake and eat it, both. If you say it is long period, you solve Point No.1 and 3, the remaining 4 are yet there. If you say the days are 24 hours day, you solve only Point No.5 - the remaining 5 are yet there - It becomes unscientific. I leave it to Dr. William Campbell, whether he wants to say… ‘It is long period’, and say that there are only 4 scientific errors - or say… ‘It is a 24 hour day’, and say there is only 5 scientific errors in the creation of the universe.

If anyone understands this gibberish pls help me out. Is he quarelling about the moon having light or plants living 24 hrs without light (point 5) or what?

Well, let me admit; ain't a Qur'anic interpretor. Yet I can do a little search for the answers of your questions, as did davidylan above. But that I won't do as I know it'll help no matter out.

And, for your information, God, who you don't believe in, is never wrong. God is wholly perfect in everything. Its only human who is bound to make blunders. . .just like you are doing.

Lastly, I even wonder how I engaged you in such a discussion. Athiest are no more than animals. I prepare an animal to you, folks.

Ain't insulting/abusing you, wallahi. This is my firmest belief of you.

Cya

Point No. 7 - Regarding the concept of Earth, there are various Scientists who have described… ‘How will the world end.’ Hypothesis - Some may be right, some may be wrong. But either the world will perish or the world will live forever. Both cannot take place simultaneously – It is unscientific. But this is exactly what the Bible says. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse No.25 and 26, that…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish.’ Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch. No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that… ‘The earth will abide forever.’ I leave it to Dr. William Campbell to choose which of the two Verses are unscientific - the first pair or the second pair. One has to be unscientific - Both cannot take place. The world cannot abide forever as well as perish – It is unscientific.

Since there is no Dr. William Campbell here, it is absolutely clear that this poster is simply copying and pasting the works of fellow deluded muslims like himself. which kinda makes it funny that muhsin and abuzola are crying about copy-pasting when it comes to islamic errors but oh well!

Lets take a look at this "unscientific error" . . .

The bible resolves this quite clearly in 2 Peter 3:13 . . . the present heavens and earth (created in Gen 1) will be destroyed at the end and replaced by a NEW HEAVEN and EARTH which cannot be destroyed and where righteousness with dwell forever.

Point No. 8 - Regarding ‘the Heavens’, the Bible says in Job, Ch. 26, Verse 11, that…‘The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.’ Qur’an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No.10, that…‘The Heavens are without any pillars - Don`t you see? Don’t you see the Heavens are without any pillars? - Bible says heaven have got pillars.

To start with, it is absolutely ridiculous that the OP is using the quran to "verify" biblical claims.

Job 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

Taking a cursory look, it seems like Job is saying there are huge pillars that support the heavens. Well that's unless you understand that the bible infact uses the term "pillars" to figuratively mean a large variety of things. The term is used here to denote "stability" . . . for example -

1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Is the body of Christ a physical pillar? That is a "scientific error"?

Psalms 75:3 The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.

Is David claiming he alone is supporting the pillars that bear up the entire earth? Surely that is an "unscientific error"!

Point No. 9 - Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… ‘Even the earth have got pillars.’

Similar to point #8, if we were to believe this deluded OP and take the word "pillars" literarily as appears in the bible then humans are pillars, the church is a pillar, God has got marble pillars for thighs and angels feet are made of pillars that are on fire.

Point No. 10 - In the field of ‘Diet and Nutrition’ lets analyse, what does the Bible say. The Bible says in the book of Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No.29, that… ‘God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.’ New International Version says… ‘The seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.’ Today, even a layman knows that there are several poisonous plants like wild berries, stritchi, datura, plants containing alkaloid, polyander, bacaipoid - that which if you ingest, if you eat there are high possibilities you may die. How come the Creator of the universe and the human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die. I hope Dr. William Campbell does not give these vegetarian diet to his patients.

Who is Dr. William Campbell?

This makes no sense . . . if you read the entire book of Genesis 1, NOT ONCE does God ask that the animals be given to us for meat. Does it mean God didnt want us to eat animals?

muhsin:

[b]Well, let me admit; ain't a Qur'anic interpretor. [/b]Yet I can do a little search for the answers of your questions, as did davidylan above. But that I won't do as I know it'll help no matter out.

And, for your information, God, who you don't believe in, is never wrong. God is wholly perfect in everything. Its only human who is bound to make blunders. . .just like you are doing.

Lastly, I even wonder how I engaged you in such a discussion. Athiest are no more than animals. I prepare an animal to you, folks.

Ain't insulting/abusing you, wallahi. This is my firmest belief of you.

Cya

Which is why i consistently say that virtually 99% of so-called muslims have NO IDEA what the quran says, they just regurgitate the nonsense the imaam tells them and recite from memory what they do not understand. Do you need special training in quranic interpretation to explain it? Wow!

Do you need to search the internet for "answers" before you can boldly explain the book you call a "perfect scripture"?

muhsin:

Well, let me admit; ain't a Qur'anic interpretor. Yet I can do a little search for the answers of your questions, as did davidylan above. But that I won't do as I know it'll help no matter out.

And, for your information, God, who you don't believe in, is never wrong. God is wholly perfect in everything. Its only human who is bound to make blunders. . .just like you are doing.

Lastly, I even wonder how I engaged you in such a discussion. Athiest are no more than animals. I prepare an animal to you, folks.

Ain't insulting/abusing you, wallahi. This is my firmest belief of you.

Cya

Atheist are less than animals yet your fellow muslims brothers are running away from each other in the middle east in droves, to come and live with us atheist in europe eh. . . .so much for atheist are less than animals. . . .You don't see atheist killing people, beheading them while chating atheism is great do you?. . . . .

Point No. 11 - The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that… ‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’ This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the ‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer. In the past 10 years of my life, I have personally interacted with thousands of Christians, including missionaries - I have not come across a single Christian, who has passed this confirmatory test of the Bible. I have not come across a single Christian who took poison - I have not come across any who took poison, and who has not died. And in scientific terminology, this is also called as the ‘falsification test’ That means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he will die. And a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a true Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try and attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true Christian believer, will never attempt this test. I have read the book ‘The Qur’an and the Bible in the light of history and science’ written by Dr. William Campbell. And I assume - that he is a true Christian believer, and at least I would like him to confirm to me about the falsification test. Please be rest assured… Please be rest assured, I will not ask Dr. William Campbell to have deadly poison - Because I don’t want to jeopardize the debate. What I’ll do - I will only ask him to speak in foreign tongues… In new languages. And as many of you may be aware that India is a land, which has more than 1000 languages and dialects. Only thing I request him is, to say these 3 words… ‘One hundred rupees’, in the 17 official languages. There are only 17 official languages in India and to make it easier for Dr. William Campbell, I have got a ‘One hundred-rupee note.’ And this has all the 17 languages mentioned here. Besides English and Hindi, I will help him. I give him a beginning –‘Ek sav rupaiya, In Hindi. The remaining 15 languages are here - I request him to read. I know the test says… ‘They will speak foreign languages on their own, without the help of reading’ - but I want to make the test easier, I want to see someone passing the test - I’ve not seen any one. So if he cannot say it on his own, or from his memory, at least read it. I don’t mind I’ll accept it. And I would request the chairperson to give it to Dr. William Campbell. He has his rebuttal - 15 languages, ‘Ek sav rupaiya’… 3 words only. What does the Bible say regarding ‘Hydrology’? Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13 to 17, that… ‘After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and after the flood’ subsided, He said… ‘I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. To the unscientific person it may be quite good… ‘Oh rainbow is a sign of Almighty God, never to submerge the world by flood again.’ But today we know very well, that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah, peace be upon him. To say it was not there before Noah’s time you have to assume that the law of refraction did not exist - which is unscientific.’

way too long, its hard to figure out what really the OP is trying to say here. No Mark 16:17 is NOT a "scientific test" for EVERY christian.

1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Obviously the answer to Paul's questions here is NO! Not every christian is endowed with every spiritual gift, infact Paul goes on in verse 31 of 1 Cor 12 to encourage us to COVET spiritual gifts, they are not just dropped unto the laps of every one . . . you have to earnestly seek them in prayer.

Point No. 12 - In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy… disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that… ‘Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water - later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it. Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as well as toxin - I hope Dr. William Campbell does not use this method of disinfecting the OT, the operation theatre.

Ridiculous. Nowhere in Lev 14 was God saying that the blood of birds was the medical cure for leprosy. Rather the cleansing referred to here was a spiritual cleansing. Just the same way the blood of the lamb smeared on the door posts on every house during passover was NOT for a physical but a spiritual purpose. Reading through the other portions of the old testament we see how the jews dealt with patients with leprosy . . . isolating them from the healthy population to avoid spreading the disease!

Point No. 13 - It is mentioned in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.12, Verse No.1 to 5, and we know medically, that after a mother gives birth to a child, the post-partal period, it is unhygienic. To say it is ‘unclean’, Religiously - I have got no objection. But Leviticus, Ch. No.12 Verse No.1 to 5, says that… ‘After a woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 33 days more. If she gives birth to a female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child… ‘a son’, she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child… ‘a daughter’, she is unclean for 80 days. I would like Dr. William Campbell to explain to me scientifically, how come a woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a female child, as compared to a male child.

More pointless rubbish. The "uncleanliness" referred to here has nothing to do with personal hygiene.

Point No. 14 - The Bible also has a very good test for adultery - How to come to know a woman has committed adultery. In the book of Numbers, Ch. no.5 Verse No, 11 to 31, I’ll just say in brief, it says that… ‘The priest should take holy water in a vessel, take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And that is the bitter water ‘And after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the people. If the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she will bear the seed. A novel method of identifying whether a woman has committed adultery or not. You know today in the world, there are thousands of cases pending in different parts of the world, in different courts of law - only on the assumption that someone has alleged that a woman has committed adultery. I had read in the newspapers, and I came to know from the media, that the President of this great country Mr. Bill Clinton, he was involved in a sex scandal about 2 years back. I wonder, that why did not the American court use this ‘bitter water test’ for adultery? He would have gone scot-free immediately. Why did not the Christian missionaries of this great country, specially those who are in the medical field like my respected Dr. William Campbell, use this bitter water test to bail out their President, immediately.

Bill Clinton was president 11 yrs ago . . . that's how long ago this copy-paste job has been sitting around.

The issue detailed here in Lev 5 had nothing to do with science but was strictly a law meant for the jews based on how God chose to deal with them. We do not see any such nonsense carried over under the new testament covenant.

Point No. 15 - ‘Mathematics’ is a branch, which is closely associated with science, with which you can solve problems, etc. There are thousands of contradictions in the Bible - hundreds deal with mathematics, and I’ll first touch on few of them. It is mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.1, and Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.6, the context that… ‘When the people returned from exile, from Babylon, when king Nebucheldeser of Babylon, when he released the men from Israel, they came back from captivity’ - and the list of the people are given. The list is given in Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.2 to 63, and Nehemiah Ch. No.7, Verse No.7 up to 65; the list is given with the names as well as number of people released. In these 60 Verses there are no less than 18 times - the name is exactly the same but the number is different. There are no less than 18 contradictions in less than 60 Verses, of these two Chapters. This is the list - I don’t have time to run through the list - There are no less than 18 different contradictions in less than 60 Verses.

Perhaps the OP forgot the copy the numbers too?

Point No. 16 - Further it is mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2 Verse No.64 that… ‘The total congregation, if you add up… if you add up, it comes to 42,360.’ And if you read in Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.66, there also the total is the same 42,360. But if you add up all these verses - which I had to do my homework - this is the list of Ezra… this is the list of Nehemiah. Ezra Ch. No 2, Nehemiah Ch. No 7 - If you add up - I had to do my homework…if you add up, Ezra Ch. No. 2 - It does not come to 42,360 - it comes to 29,818. And if you add up Nehemiah, Ch. No. 7, even then it does not come to 42,360 - It comes to 31,089. The author of the Bible, presumed to be ‘Almighty God’, does not know simple addition. If you give this problem, even to a person who has passed elementary school, he will be able to get the right answer. If you add up all the 60 Verses, it is so easy. Almighty God did not know adding – Nauzubillah… if we presume, that this is the word of God.

This is daft . . . Ezra 2:64 The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore,

But the OP adds up the numbers in the preceeding verses and comes to 29,818. He however forgets that no numbers were attached to certain groups and families . . . for example - Ez 2:61.
Ez 2:43-58 makes a whole list of families and children . . . for whom we are not provided a concrete figure.

Neh 7 is almost WORD FOR WORD exactly the same as Ez 2, a feat in itself considering the fact that these 2 books were written by 2 different people!

Now note - Neh 7:66 The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore,

So both Ezra and Nehemiah were counting the entire congregation after the restoration of the temple wall. But the list for both chapters clearly is restricted to only those families who were taken into captivity - Neh 7:6 These are the children of the province, that went up out of the captivity, of those that had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away, and came again to Jerusalem and to Judah, every one unto his city;

Which means the list did not take into consideration the families who were NOT TAKEN INTO CAPTIVITY! That may have accounted for the disparity between the total number in the congregation and the number of those who returned from captivity.

Point No. 17 - Further, if we read, in Ezra Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 65, it says…There were 200 singing men and women - Nehemiah Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 67…‘There were 245 singing men and women.’ Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same - A mathematical contradiction.

Most likely a clerical error.

Point No. 18 - It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Ch. No 24, Verse No 8, that…‘Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he began to reign Jerusalem, and he reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 36, Verse No 9, says that…‘Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and he reigned for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he 8 years old?

Another clerical error of translation . . . we know that there was a very tiny diff between the hebrew rendering for 18 or 8.

Besides the bible clearly indicates which one was true . . . 2 Chron 36:10 indicates that Nebuchadnezzer unseated him and brought him to Babylon . . . this would be unlikely if he was a mere 8 yr old child.

2 Kings 24:15 says Jehoiachin had wives, verse 9 says he did evil in the sight of the Lord . . . that would be impossible for an 8 yr old who had not even reached the jewish age of accountability

Point No. 19 - Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10 days?

The difference here is a mere 10 days. Some writers may have simply decided to round up.

where are the muslims?

David, argueing with u is a waste of time cos you are worst than a bat in ur blindness despite seeing clear answer.



Your answer on this thread is like that of the atheist, that because God is invisible He does not exist

davidylan:

rebuttal to the "scientific errors" in the bible . . .

this makes absolutely no sense because scientists also tell us that the earth cannot even be created by a deity but appeared from a primordial soup over billions of years . . . a claim that would also make the quran's account a SCIENTIFIC ERROR!
The point of the bible (whether you believe it or not) is that God is all-powerful and could create the earth in one second if He so chose to.

If you're not a believer then this truly makes no sense . . . but if you are a true born-again child of God then you would know that God Himself was LIGHT for the first 3 days before the sun was created. The bible supports this quite clearly - Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

So it is quite possible that before God decided to create the sun to light the earth, He Himself was that light.

Actually this is false . . . Gen 1:2 tells us the earth was already in existence - Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

What was created in Gen 1:9 was to separate the seas from dry land.

Similar to point #1, God is not bound by man's scientific laws. Science has no proof at all that the earth cannot come into existence before the sun because science doesnt even have the tiniest idea how the earth and the sun appeared in the first place.

Already discussed under point #2, light was available since Gen 1:3.

If anyone understands this gibberish pls help me out. Is he quarelling about the moon having light or plants living 24 hrs without light (point 5) or what?

U have no point.

Don't you know david, he has no point in every debate we engage, he clearly deny truth despite seeing it