Wilgrea7:
what makes you feel the Christian God won't answer the prayers of people from other religions?? there are bible verses which talk about the mercy of the Christian God to all... both good and bad.... from your stance, you seem to take the Christian God as not the supreme God... whilst the Christians and Muslims alike take their Gods as the supreme God.

.. i find your arguments interesting... please do well to mention me in the part two
thanks

Immorttal:
Now my question is which God(s) answers this prayer? Is it the Christian God – Yahweh, the Muslim God – Allah, the Hindu God – Brahman?

LoJ:
Hello Immorttal,

You know how high is the esteem I have for you and your spiritual quest. I personally believe you are in the right track to some degree of "enlightenment".

LoJ:
I will attempt to give my point of view in a straightforward manner. I also hope other (different) perspectives shall be brought forward.
My answer: None.

LoJ:
There is no (personal) god who answers prayers. This does not mean prayer or some forms of it are not useful. But generally speaking*, there is no god who answers our prayers, except ourselves... literally.

It is self, or better put, the higher self/real self, that brings about the change we desire. Since life is a virtual school, a projection of sorts, we experience things according to who we are, not what they are. Our circumstances are not as objective as we think: we are (consciously or unconsciously) the artisan of our reality.

“We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.”— Rabbi Shemuel ben Nachmani

LoJ:
It follows that an inward change automatically generates the outward change we long for, and this is where prayer can be useful. Prayer is not, or should not be, a plea to an omniscient and omnipotent god. Why would an omni- god need tears, cries and pleas before he acts?

Immorttal:
I noticed you said you welcome other different perspectives, are there likelihoods that a more logical or enlightening perspective could alter your verdict?

Wilgrea7:
what makes you feel the Christian God won't answer the prayers of people from other religions?? there are bible verses which talk about the mercy of the Christian God to all... both good and bad.... from your stance, you seem to take the Christian God as not the supreme God... whilst the Christians and Muslims alike take their Gods as the supreme God.

.. i find your arguments interesting... please do well to mention me in the part two
thanks

Immorttal:
it is apparent that the Christian God detest idol worshippers, there are numerous bible verses that solidy my assertions infact the Lord turned his back on King Solomon when he started worshiping other gods. The Christian God subsequently divided his kingdom as a punishment for that offence. No way that god can answer the prayer of "idol worshippers".

Immorttal:
it is apparent that the Christian God detest idol worshippers, there are numerous bible verses that solidy my assertions infact the Lord turned his back on King Solomon when he started worshiping other gods. The Christian God subsequently divided his kingdom as a punishment for that offence. No way that god can answer the prayer of "idol worshippers".

hahn:


We pray daily in Nigeria and there is a church on almost every street. Do you mind pointing out the positive effects of these prayers so far on our economy and overall well being as a nation?

Wilgrea7:


i don't condone praying without working.... i don't look at God as a magician ready to abacadabra anything for you while you sit your ass down... that's why they say heaven helps those who help themselves

hahn:


But many do. And as a result of religious teachings

Wilgrea7:


not every Christian is the same.... the whole lazy prayer attitude was not even supported in the bible... mainstream Christianity is a hell lot different from Christianity during the time of Paul... but that's another subject... let's face the thread

why are prayers answered in different religions?
what force is responsible...
I'm not talking of the lord-help-me-find-my car-key prayers... I'm talking of prayers that bring extraordinary results we term miracles..... or prayers whose results can't be attributed to coincidence

hahn:

Prayers aren't answered. Good and bad things happen to everyone. Period
Can you give me an example of "extraordinary results" as a result of prayers?

Wilgrea7:


ok... thanks for your reply

Immorttal:


The ambiguous issue of prayer is one of the extenuating circumstances that held me back in my journey to Atheism because I realised it works to an extent. Hence prayers exist in a widespread variety of content, contexts, forms, and practices, a comprehensive explanation as to why prayer works irrespective of any definite Religion is prerequisite. From years of detailed research, I realised that other Religious denominations also pray and got it “delivered” according to their varied wishes.
Now my question is which God(s) answers this prayer? Is it the Christian God – Yahweh, the Muslim God – Allah, the Hindu God – Brahman?

Assuming that God is love and unbiased who answers all our prayers regardless of any Religious entanglement or denomination, which God is that? Am certain it is not the Christian God YHWH who is obviously jealous of giving reverence to other God(s) nor the Muslim God Allah who instructed its followers to kill anyone that do not worship him. Please who is this Universal God that answers this prayer or does that mean that other gods also have power to render prayers to their followers.

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Sarassin:


Hello Immorttal, There are prayers of supplication, worship and praise of God or the deity one subscribes to, these go to edify and strengthen one’s belief. Then there are prayers of wishes, needs or wants. These are prayers we make in the hope that the sum of our parts exceed the totality of our being, we pray to our greater self. Some people are more successful at getting their prayers answered than others and I will tell you why.

You must be able to visualise, that is, to see in your mind’s eye, the circumstance, item, thing or whatever it is that you are praying for and you must be able to hold that visual for the duration of your prayer. If you cannot do this then your prayers are mere wishful thinking.

You must be able to “feel” your visualisation, meaning that during the visualisation of the circumstance you seek in prayer, you must be able to emotionally experience what it is you are praying for and feel the impact of receiving the manifestation of your prayer on your life.

You must bind that prayer. If you do not, then whatever you manifest in that prayer will undoubtedly be lost in short order.

The object of your prayer wish for manifestation must exist within the boundaries of your availability else, you must expand your boundaries of availability gradually. Therefore, if one is penniless, homeless and starving then spending hours praying/visualising a Rolls Royce Phantom is rather pointless, there must exist a clear path for your prayer to manifest.

All of the above are important, but the most important of all (yes, I will get loads of letters from the various Schools of Thoughts for revealing this) is understanding the rules of the reversal of planes of existence. Prayers properly done are a form of meditation, their activation takes place in the astral plane but in the natural order of things, planes of existence exist in reversal to each other. Imagine placing batteries in series to each other negative to positive, in other words what is “going” in this plane…is “coming” on the next plane.

Understanding that rule is the key.

Ranchhoddas:
Is this like 'the secret law of attraction' or something?

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Who should be the recipient of this kind of prayer?

Immorttal:
Where is Bubu, i need your input on this thread @kingebukasblog

KingEbukasBlog:


Hey bro

I don't argue for other gods but I have seen compelling miracles in Christianity

Like the dead being raised , the sick being healed and so many incredible testimonies .

In fact , last Sunday a young man testified of being healed of diabetes and hepatitis

With results of this healing from the lab

The concomitant frequent urinating and high levels of blood sugar ceased after receiving his miracle .

According to him , the lab scientist was shocked and kept questioning him , till he reluctantly accepted that the miracle happened . It was beyond his comprehension .

If the same thing happens in other religions which I strongly doubt , then from a Christian perspective their powers are from the wicked one - Satan whose purpose is to deceive people into thinking that have found truth in false religions

2 Corinthians 11:14–15
14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

Immorttal:
Prayer is the most conventional means of human interaction with God(s) Fundamentally, prayer is communicating with God(s). Whether you say an official prayer, or just natural conversation with God(S), several Religious followers all over the world devote a lot of time in prayer. Because every other religious denominations also pray, prayer can be rendered as an act of communication by humans with the sacred or holy—God, the gods, the transcendent realm, or supernatural powers. Found in all religions at all times, prayer may be a communal or personal act using various procedures and techniques.
There are many categories of prayer in the Christian ritual, including intercession (praying for others), petition (asking God for something), thanksgiving (giving thanks to God), and penitential prayer (expressing sorrow for your sins).
Another rare type is meditation, which has been defined as just "listening to God." Some prayer is more ceremonial and public, such as the Catholic Mass, which is vastly structured and includes participation by a good percentage of people, and other prayer is un-ceremonial and private
Prayer is a significant and universal aspect of religion, whether of primitive peoples or of modern mystics, that expresses the broad range of religious feelings and attitudes that command human relations with the sacred or holy. Prayer is said to be to religion what rational thought is to philosophy. Prayer distinguishes the phenomenon of religion from those phenomena that approach it or resemble it, such as religious and aesthetic feelings.
The ambiguous issue of prayer is one of the extenuating circumstances that held me back in my journey to Atheism because I realised it works to an extent. Hence prayers exist in a widespread variety of content, contexts, forms, and practices, a comprehensive explanation as to why prayer works irrespective of any definite Religion is prerequisite. From years of detailed research, I realised that other Religious denominations also pray and got it “delivered” according to their varied wishes.
Now my question is which God(s) answers this prayer? Is it the Christian God – Yahweh, the Muslim God – Allah, the Hindu God – Brahman?

Assuming that God is love and unbiased who answers all our prayers regardless of any Religious entanglement or denomination, which God is that? Am certain it is not the Christian God YHWH who is obviously jealous of giving reverence to other God(s) nor the Muslim God Allah who instructed its followers to kill anyone that do not worship him. Please who is this Universal God that answers this prayer or does that mean that other gods also have power to render prayers to their followers.

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DOCTUFOS:
Jasheb 25:7a
7. But I tell you the truth, they shall not have cure, except for some who shall be saved by the power of coincidence.

Jasheb 5:11-12
11. Then he said, the spoken word is propelled by the power of coincidence.
12. When you speak a word, positive or negative, chances are that it would come to pass.

Immorttal:
about miracle, i don't know how to approach it because the term miracle is not specific - that means what you see as a miracle might not be translated as a miracle by another for instance, i healed a severe elbow pain yesterday through prolonged Intent Meditation. I personally do not label it as a miracle, i just utilised the power that lies in my mind which has the potential to even kill someone inadvertently practising it. I will not comment about miracles for now, please can we focus on the thread.

KingEbukasBlog:

If the same thing happens in other religions which I strongly doubt , then from a Christian perspective their powers are from the wicked one - Satan whose purpose is to deceive people into thinking that have found truth in false religions

Ranchhoddas:
Is this like 'the secret law of attraction' or something?

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Who should be the recipient of this kind of prayer?

otemanuduno:
There is a power. It is called the POWER OF COINCIDENCE aka the POWER OF NATURE. Whether you pray or not, whatever will be will be and whatever will not be will not be. Even ATHIESTS and any other person experience some things they would have referred to as MIRACLES but they see those things as COINCIDENCE OF NATURE, which they really are. We have heard cases of people coming to life when they are not being prayed for. Assuming that they were being prayed for before coming back to life, you'll think that it was the prayer that worked. We have had our needs met without praying to have them.

THAT IS THE POWER OF COINCIDENCE. THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS PRAY FOR THE FAVOUR OF COINCIDENCE AND SINCE I HAVE BEEN DOING SO, EVERYTHING ABOUT ME HAVE BECOME VERY GREAT.

Edenoscar:

the law of attraction is utter rubbish

Wilgrea7:


i know you must say something.. .. when coincidence goes against the laws of physics, its no longer coincidence

when coincidence stops happening as a coincidence..... then its no longer a coincidence

your coincidence theory is highly flawed

Ranchhoddas:
Maybe. But how is it significantly different from what he said?