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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by hardballripplez: 11:15pm On Jan 01, 2017
Lanjonath:


Please do, I'm waiting.

Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by dabrightt: 11:15pm On Jan 01, 2017
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Mumu,read my comment again angry[/quotepeople of wasted destiny claiming atheist..]
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by dabrightt: 11:16pm On Jan 01, 2017
wtfCode:

Mumu,read my comment again angry
people of wasted destiny claiming atheist..
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by kingsmith4(m): 11:17pm On Jan 01, 2017
Lanjonath:


The person is not a true muslim but he praises your so called god when he kills innocent beings and expects virgins aa his reward. Mr., please shift
hu eva kills s nt of GOD shikina! Na him knw d god wey him dy cll bt s certainly nt almighty GOD
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Nobody: 11:18pm On Jan 01, 2017
LaEvilIMiss:


.. we leave that approach to the many who refuse to identify a unifying element that breaks across schools of thought. We are of different races, religions, traditions and regions.. but we all know love don't we. whether displayed in different forms of conflicting actions.. love is love. anyway.. sleep well

I concur!
We are both in different time zones, it is still evening over here but I will definitely sleep well as instructed- lol.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Lanjonath(m): 11:28pm On Jan 01, 2017
[quote author=hardballripplez post=52451995][/quote]

Good so first ill ask you to read Matt.26:52. When Jesus was going to be arrested, Peter drew a sword to defend Jesus. And Jesus rebuked him, healed the injured soldier and followed them peacefully.

Back to your question, the problem is your reading that verse without understanding it. You are who we speak about in Matt 13:13. Jesus is talking about him not bringing peace but truth. He is here to preach the word and will if God to lost sheep and those who believe and follow him will be rebuked and persecuted, even within their own families. That's basically what it means. People will go through hardship, will be persecuted and tortured for following him.

And you should also ask yourself this, where in the bible did Jesus ever condone violence??
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by kingsmith4(m): 11:29pm On Jan 01, 2017
[quote author=hardballripplez post=52450537][/quote]ur a fool! God hv no son I BEGOT NOT AND I WAS NOT BEGOTEN stop mkn God a liar u confused christains jesus n d mother are weeping seriously 4 u pple cos of d punishment u pple ll face by worshipping dem n tkn dem equal wt God

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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Lanjonath(m): 11:30pm On Jan 01, 2017
kingsmith4:
hu eva kills s nt of GOD shikina! Na him knw d god wey him dy cll bt s certainly nt almighty GOD

Oh, Christians know this but You should probably let your muslim brethren killing people all over get this memo, starting with the ones killing Shiites in the north.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by hardballripplez: 11:35pm On Jan 01, 2017
Lanjonath:


Good so first ill ask you to read Matt.26:52. When Jesus was going to be arrested, Peter drew a sword to defend Jesus. And Jesus rebuked him, healed the injured soldier and followed them peacefully.

Back to your question, the problem is your reading that verse without understanding it. You are who we speak about in Matt 13:13. Jesus is talking about him not bringing peace but truth. He is here to preach the word and will if God to lost sheep and those who believe and follow him will be rebuked and persecuted, even within their own families. That's basically what it means. People will go through hardship, will be persecuted and tortured for following him.

And you should also ask yourself this, where in the bible did Jesus ever condone violence??
The bible was never compiled during the time of jesus. Those who wrote the bible gave different varying accounts. some books of the bible even have anonymous author. Jesus never ever ever gave a go ahead for anything called the bible. He is innocent. he was a messenger of Allah, he was a worshipper. don't heap the blame of the bible on him. Those accounts are wrong btw. The Quran gave the correct account

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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by illegalking: 11:39pm On Jan 01, 2017
crazygod:
Firstly why should u assume that gen 1vs 21 was talking about Leviathan? So so when were the fishes of the sea created? And is it not also possible that Leviathan may not necessarily literarily mean a giant sea snake? It could have a figurative meaning for an event that may about to happen in the last days. Don't try to understand the word of God without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. wink
Stop deceiving urself why do u need holy spirit guidance to read a book written in english? Figurative tho..

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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Lanjonath(m): 11:44pm On Jan 01, 2017
hardballripplez:

The bible was never compiled during the time of jesus. Those who wrote the bible gave different varying accounts. some books of the bible even have anonymous author. Jesus never ever ever gave a go ahead for anything called the bible. He is innocent. he was a messenger of Allah, he was a worshipper. don't heap the blame of the bible on him. Those accounts are wrong btw. The Quran gave the correct account

Lol..that's where you have it wrong. Jesus is the son of God. Read your John 3:16. No one said he gave a go ahead, but there were scriptural scrolls from the prophets during his time of the prophets before him an God's word. And when he ascended to heaven his works were documented and written through the inspiration of the Holy spirit. Blame on him are you blind or can't you read?? What blame? The works of Jesus are complete and without flaw. He was the Son if God and he worshipped the father he wasn't an ordinary messenger, he was the son of God. After he died and was resurrected by God he ascended to sit at Gods right hand. I'm explaining what you don't understand.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by kingsmith4(m): 11:45pm On Jan 01, 2017
Qul yaaa ayyuhal kaafiruun!
Laa a budu maa ta bu duun!
Wa laaa antum Aabiduuna maaa a bud!
Wa laaa ana aabidum maa abadtum!
Wa laaa anrum Aabiduuna maaa a bud!
Lakum deenukum wa liya d-deen!

Oh unbelievers!
I worship not that which you worship!
Nor will you worship that which I worship!
And i shall not worship that which you are worshiping!
Nor will you worship that which I worship!
To you be your religion and to me my religion!....
LA-ILAHA-ILA-LA MOHAMADA ROSULULAI-- S.A.W---NONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE WORSHIPED EXCEPT ALLAH AND MOHAMED IS HIS LAST PROPHET! He dat has ears let him hear on tym

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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by kingsmith4(m): 11:50pm On Jan 01, 2017
Lanjonath:


Lol..that's where you have it wrong. Jesus is the son of God. Read your John 3:16. No one said he gave a go ahead, but there were scriptural scrolls from the prophets during his time of the prophets before him an God's word. And when he ascended to heaven his works were documented and written through the inspiration of the Holy spirit. Blame on him are you blind or can't you read?? What blame? The works of Jesus are complete and without flaw. He was the Son if God and he worshipped the father he wasn't an ordinary prophet. I'm explaining what you don't understand.
can u hear ur sef? *he ascended 2 heaven den his history ws documented @ his bak so hw s dt supose 2 b d word of God?
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Lanjonath(m): 11:53pm On Jan 01, 2017
kingsmith4:
can u hear ur sef? *he ascended 2 heaven den his history ws documented @ his bak so hw s dt supose 2 b d word of God?

Lol, your one of the people prophet isiah spoke of "And concerning them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: ' You will listen carefully yet will never understand, you will look closely yet will never comprehend"
Matt 13:14

You're so concerned with useless things that you aren't seeing the picture. You want to see written consent of the bible? These are proven indisputable works of God's son, even in some translations you'll read that it's a very small amount that the full number of miracles are too much to document in a single book.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by kingsmith4(m): 12:00am On Jan 02, 2017
Lanjonath:


Lol, your one of the people prophet isiah spoke of "And concerning them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: ' You will listen carefully yet will never understand, you will look closely yet will never comprehend"
Matt 13:14

You're so concerned with useless things that you aren't seeing the picture. You want to see written consent of the bible? These are proven indisputable works of God's son, even in some translations you'll read that it's a very small amount that the full number of miracles are too much to document in a single book.
ewoooo!!!!!! Chai!! Lost pple!!! Dt scripture applys 2 u christains dt left God n started worshipn his beloved prophet claimin he s ur God! My guy run 4ur lyf b4 its 2 late! I ws a christain. I hv tasted n saw d tru religion so dnt read d bible 2 me cos I knw it mor dan u do
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Lanjonath(m): 12:04am On Jan 02, 2017
kingsmith4:
ewoooo!!!!!! Chai!! Lost pple!!! Dt scripture applys 2 u christains dt left God n started worshipn his beloved prophet claimin he s ur God! My guy run 4ur lyf b4 its 2 late! I ws a christain. I hv tasted n saw d tru religion so snt read d bible 2 me cos I knw it mor dan u do

Brethren that scripture was about the Jews that weren't worshipping God as they should and were misunderstanding the laws of Moses. And so were prosecuting the followers of Jesus. If you've truly experiences Jesus is his splendour, majesty and mercies you'll never denounce him but Good luck to you, you left the narrow path to the wide broad one. I wish you the best bro. God be with you
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by kingsmith4(m): 12:08am On Jan 02, 2017
Lanjonath:


Brethren that scripture was about the Jews that weren't worshipping God as they should and were misunderstanding the laws of Moses. And so were prosecuting the followers of Jesus. If you've truly experiences Jesus is his splendour, majesty and mercies you'll never denounce him but Good luck to you, you left the narrow path to the wide broad one. I wish you the best bro. God be with you
imade d best decision 1 cn eva tink of
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Lanjonath(m): 12:09am On Jan 02, 2017
kingsmith4:
imade d best decision 1 cn eva tink of

Good for you then.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by ibolomo(m): 12:13am On Jan 02, 2017
hardballripplez:

in Islam we don't follow blindly. only Christians do.
The Quran says: " And they say, "None will enter Paradise except one who is a Jew or a Christian." That is [merely] their wishful thinking, Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."Quran 2 verse 111
LOL, that is all I can say. brain washing and blind following at the highest levels is what i see everyday in the islamic community around me.
Yes, many Christians follow their "pastors" blindly without regard for the Bible, but many who truly study the bible and not what gets spoon-fed to them by some priests cannot be said to follow blindly. I am sorry to say, but the question asked by the OP is rather silly for a christian who reads his bible and understands to ask.
Please don't get me started on this topic as it is a sensitive issue and people tend to go homicidal if their feelings are hurt, God bless you and have a good night.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by ibolomo(m): 12:22am On Jan 02, 2017
hardballripplez:

The bible was never compiled during the time of jesus. Those who wrote the bible gave different varying accounts. some books of the bible even have anonymous author. Jesus never ever ever gave a go ahead for anything called the bible. He is innocent. he was a messenger of Allah, he was a worshipper. don't heap the blame of the bible on him. Those accounts are wrong btw. The Quran gave the correct account
There are several historical facts that oppose the assertion of the Quran on Jesus' crucifixion. The "correct" account of the Quran that states the trinity of Christians consists of "the father, the son and MARY"? a book that was claimed to have "descended" straight from Allah? Abeegi. Make war of words nor start this night oo. Have a good night abeg

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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by ibolomo(m): 12:23am On Jan 02, 2017
[quote author=hardballripplez post=52450565][/quote] and how is lust related to the topic?
Shot off target
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Zenlife: 12:50am On Jan 02, 2017
real691:
GOD created lucifer and he turned against HIM, HE created man and we turned against HIM, HE created angels and some turned against HIM............ GOD created all things good but some turned against their creator *simple* ..........

Why sweat it?
As He's 'all knowing'
His deeds are all working to the Original plan prior to creating whatsoever.

Just sit back, watch and observe.

Chill.

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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by hardballripplez: 3:52am On Jan 02, 2017
ibolomo:

There are several historical facts that oppose the assertion of the Quran on Jesus' crucifixion. The "correct" account of the Quran that states the trinity of Christians consists of "the father, the son and MARY"? a book that was claimed to have "descended" straight from Allah? Abeegi. Make war of words nor start this night oo. Have a good night abeg
The Quran never mentioned that anything is made up of any trinity. What the Quran said was that those who believe in this trinity thing will face the punishment in the hereafter. Hear the Quran" Say, He is Allah (who is) one. Allah the eternal, the refuge. He neither begets, nor is born. Nor is there to him any equivalent.

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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by hardballripplez: 3:56am On Jan 02, 2017
ibolomo:
LOL, that is all I can say. brain washing and blind following at the highest levels is what i see everyday in the islamic community around me.
Yes, many Christians follow their "pastors" blindly without regard for the Bible, but many who truly study the bible and not what gets spoon-fed to them by some priests cannot be said to follow blindly. I am sorry to say, but the question asked by the OP is rather silly for a christian who reads his bible and understands to ask.
Please don't get me started on this topic as it is a sensitive issue and people tend to go homicidal if their feelings are hurt, God bless you and have a good night.
IN Islam we seek proofs from the Quran and the Sunnah before embarking on an act. In christianity a demented individual could just wake up one day, study the American polls and give a very incorrect prophecy, christians will still follow this individual. several of your pastors come out and talk rubbish in the name of prophecies, yet you guys still flock after them. That is what I call BRAIN WASHING OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by hardballripplez: 3:59am On Jan 02, 2017
Lanjonath:


Lol..that's where you have it wrong. Jesus is the son of God. Read your John 3:16. No one said he gave a go ahead, but there were scriptural scrolls from the prophets during his time of the prophets before him an God's word. And when he ascended to heaven his works were documented and written through the inspiration of the Holy spirit. Blame on him are you blind or can't you read?? What blame? The works of Jesus are complete and without flaw. He was the Son if God and he worshipped the father he wasn't an ordinary messenger, he was the son of God. After he died and was resurrected by God he ascended to sit at Gods right hand. I'm explaining what you don't understand.
Jesus was never the son of God. even he called himself the son of man. He was a man, just like every other man, only that the circumstances of his birth was different.
You have to believe in him as a man, a messenger of God and not has a god or son of god. God begets not, nor was he begotten!!!

Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Igbokao: 4:18am On Jan 02, 2017
In a fundamental sense, the word 'demon' or 'evil' is a conduct or action that is so extreme in its negative outcome that it defies reason. Basically, demons do not exist as physical entities, they can only be imagined. The configuration a person assigns to a demon will depend on where and how a person lives. There has never been any established evidence of existence of demons anywhere in the world. And, stop making reference to your bible as a proof of anything.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by MYJIST(m): 6:46am On Jan 02, 2017
kingsmith4:
yes bro! I ws once a christain bt I bcame a muslim cos som1 xplained d quran 2 me bt den I fully embraced islam wen I read d quran my sef 10k GOD 4 his infinit mercy 4 chosin 2 save my soul so jus leave dis pple dia ears ar sealed n dy ar blind dy won't hear unless GOD wills cos GOD said he saves hu he wills n destroy hu he wills even d prophet's uncle ws nt saved daz 2 show u dt almighty ALLAH none cn Question him since I bcame a muslim I hv knwn peace n I nw pray on my own wt full assurance n confidence evry day am prayin d 5tyms prayers it luks as if am in d presence of GOD physicaly am nt sayin all muslims ll mk paradise bt ISLAM s jus d way am a witness jesus who dy worship ll deny dem on d last day wch u knw n d worst part s dt dy dnt even knw hu jesus truly s nw I knw hu jesus truly s if I must say d bible s nt d word of GOD s written by men bt GOD sent down d quran 4rm A-Z no addition no subtraction arguin wt d christains s lyk arguin wt a deaf n dumb so pls pray on hw ur own soul ll b saved n leave dem 4 GOD. LA-ILAHA-ILA-LA
haha.. lemme laugh at you... you Left light into darkness and you're happy about it..... I take it that when you were a Christian... you were wandering about... not even committed to serving God .... now you left off your guard... and someone came to deceive you... well.... the way of darkness seem right to the unrighteous... better find your way back.. oh and remember they'll try all means to keep you from changing your direction.. I mean "all possible means"... I mean. you left practicality .. to vouch for stories.... I pray that your eyes be opened that you may see the darkness that hovers around you. amen

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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Mailthaddeus(m): 7:36am On Jan 02, 2017
Anas09:

Okay then.

Well, first off. God did not create Demons, He created beautiful awesome and exceedingly powerful creatures called Angels.

Their rebellion and proceedings turned them to demons.

Now, for us to understand this, let's see from the Scriptures that God created Angels.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Hebrews:1:7

God created Lucifer who became satan/devil/demon, just like he created all other Angels.

Ezekiel 28:13-17 You lived in Eden, the garden of God, and wore gems of every kind: rubies and diamonds;

topaz, beryl, carnelian, and jasper; sapphires, emeralds, and garnets. You had ornaments of gold. They were made for you on the day you were created. I put a terrifying angel there to guard you.

You lived on my holy mountain and walked among sparkling gems.

Your conduct was perfect from the day you were created until you began to do evil. You were busy buying and selling, and this led you to violence and sin.

So I forced you to leave my holy mountain, and the angel who guarded you drove you away from the sparkling gems.

You were proud of being handsome, and your fame made you act like a fool.

Because of this I hurled you to the ground and left you as a warning to other kings.

Here, the Holy Spirit tells us how lucifer was decorated. Above other Angels, in everything, he was decorated.

Beauty, Wisdom, Splendor got into his head and here is what Pride made him do.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah:14: 10 -15

When he fell this is how many Angels he took down with him.


Revelation 12:4 With his tail he dragged a third of the stars out of the sky and threw them down to the earth. He stood in front of the woman, in order to eat her child as soon as it was born.

I don't know what "A third" of the Stars (Angels) amounted to, but i know that that's a huge number of Angels he took down with him


Now, when they Fell, did Satan's agenda of being God died? No.

Now, remember, satan is not Omnipresence, meaning he can't be everywhere at the same time, what do you think he did?

He apportioned his demons to act as gods in all the religions of world. He possessed some humans and made them become very cruel to others.

People like, Muhammed of Arabia, Adolf Hitler, Mau SeTung, etc.

Yes, rulership, kingship, dominance is why satan fell from grace, but here man is, a naive creature with a kingdom, so satan deceived him by distracting him, when man fell, he took over the kingdom God created for man and has been ruling man ever since.

Remeber, even God can not operate and function in this material world without a material body, hence he possesses people by the (Holy Spirit). Satan also being a spirit or his demons can not function in this world without a physical body, hence, evil possession.


The body is like a cloth that we wear. The spirits wear our bodies in other to walk in this physical world.

Now, the activities of this Spirits, good or bad, makes them who or what they are.

There's just one Holy Spirit because he is Omnipresence. There are somany demons because they are not. They had to scather themselves everywhere men are found, in order to subdue man under the dominance of Satan.


They possess men and make man do evil to make man responsible and sinful before God, with the the sole aim of taking man to hellfire.

Do you know why he does that?

Satan knows how much God loves man. Hurt man is hurt God deeply. So, he makes man turn against God. Satan knowing how the supernatural laws work, knows that, without willingness and responsibility, it's not possible to lay allegations agaisnt a man, So Satan makes man be willing and respinsible for his actions.


So, yes, Fallen Angels, are demons. Witches are human beings possessed by demons.

And God created All.







I appreciate ur in-depth knowledge on this subject. U are absolutely right. Satan is persuasive to the extent that he wz able to convince 1/3rd of the heavenly angels to do his will. And Datz a huge number as there are far more Angels in heaven than there are humans on Earth.
Also remember the Angels who descended to earth and had sexual relationship with daughters of men resulting to gigantic and wicked offsprings. They were giants ,handsome, wicked and demonic.

In summary, God is the creator of all things both visible and invisible. He created man and made independent /free being who hv d right to make his own choices. So we either choose to worship Him or rebel against him like Lucifer did.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Mailthaddeus(m): 7:49am On Jan 02, 2017
hardballripplez:

Jesus was never the son of God. even he called himself the son of man. He was a man, just like every other man, only that the circumstances of his birth was different.
You have to believe in him as a man, a messenger of God and not has a god or son of god. God begets not, nor was he begotten!!!

The divinity of JESUS CHRIST can not be comprehended with mere argument. It takes a deeper reflection and revelation of the holy spirit to fully understand it.

Jesus is the son man, this means that he has two nature. He wz 100% man then and 100% God. The bible said He was like us in all things but sin. He lived a sinless life only committed to the salvation of man kin . All the write up by the Koran about Jesus are all wrong, and all geared towards creating deceit in d minds of Muslims about Who jesus truely is.

Fine, they accept the fact that he wz born miraculously, and had power to do many miracles and even raising the dead. They acknowledge the fact that he had no wife nor kid and carried out the will of God the father . Why then do they consider the tyrant Mohammed greater than Jesus. Mohammed who had wives, fought and killed so many and even encouraged more Killing to gain eternal life. I weep for u guys. On ur own, try to discover d truth. For once drop every doubt in ur heart and seek the Truth. Jeusu himself will reveal it to u.
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Nobody: 7:58am On Jan 02, 2017
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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Drdreyy: 8:22am On Jan 02, 2017
chieveboy:


Hm! Laboratory apparatus where invented to measure...they are only good to very limited extent...Consciousness resides neither in the brain nor even on the Mind, It's reside in Soul! When we talk of Soul, science and reality or fact have to part ways (but of course). In your body, three things are involved: Soul, Mind and Body.In the physical body, Soul expresses consciousness in this order: Soul>Mind (mental state)>Causal body>Emotional body>physical body.Note this: The body and the brain is actually a replica of the Emotional body (Aka Astral body) and it Principles.When one dies, he retains all his knowledge and abilities...it's the same thing that plays when you drop from a flight or a swing and you still get the feeling of swinging! That's almost how dead people feel, they retain theexperience and think they could touch a living person and tell them they are fine...nothing happens--no physical body!Infact they tend to get smarter than before cos ignorance is mostly brought about by the physical body--the limited 5 senses


These are all assumptions, and are not verifiable. It's just one of those fabricated hypothesis due to man's quest for immortality.


Your response to the second question regarding bodies was all mumbo-jumbo and based on "them-say"

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