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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by muller101(m): 8:03pm On Jan 02, 2017
hotspec:
Where was it written in d Bible that u shd celebrate Easter and New year? Besides, what do we celebrate on Christmas? We celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus, with humility and love as d centre of the birth. There is no written record of my Dad's birthday, but looking at the events during his birth, he picked 12th Dec. So, whats bad about that?
did he instruct u to celebrate his birth?

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by idrisbabat5(m): 8:09pm On Jan 02, 2017
Promismike:
Everyone to his belief. But seriously relgion has done more harm than good to mankind and has caused a lot of division and ill feeling among human.
it true but dont blame religion bt blame humans
people over the years have added and removed from d real religious teaching and practices in other to justify their wrong doing
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by deeqsa(m): 8:10pm On Jan 02, 2017
Seun:
Does he really believe that the "demons" love to celebrate the birth of Jesus?
jesus wast borne on d 25 of december
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by hotspec(m): 8:15pm On Jan 02, 2017
muller101:
did he instruct u to celebrate his birth?
u shd have answer my question. Did he instruct u to celebrate his death and resurrection, wedding, funeral; birthday?
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by homesteady(m): 8:23pm On Jan 02, 2017
mtngloetiartel:
listen man! Birthday celebration is pagan originated. There are just 2 biblical records of birthday celebratn and the they were nt favourably indicative of christain life. Again, there is no biblical command to celebrate birthday. Satan was nt happy at Jesus' birth hence he craftly revealed and directed 3 astrologers frm d east (likely Babylon) to where Jesus was- Bethlehem. Bt firstly, satan led them to Jerusalem to have them revealed to wicked King Herod the identity of Jesus the fortold King of the Jews and messiah. Thier report filled King Herod with jealous rage. So Herod commissiond them to find and report back to him the whereabout of little Jesus...Howeva, Jehovah God intervened. By means of a dream, he instructed the astrologers to return home by anoda route. (READ MATT. 2:1-12) So, it is not a questn of weda the demon love to celebrate Jesus' birthday. The point is satan the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of unbeliever so dat d illumination of d glorious good news about d Christ...might not shine thru. (2COR. 4:4)

I had to go and read all the Nativity stories in the Bible again because of this your comment, and what you wrote about the 3 Shepherds is absolutely false! Who taught you this useless doctrine?

According to Matthew story - Are you trying to tell us that the devil now control stars?
According to Luke story - it completely disproves your claims about satan manipulating anything! Luke 2:9 clearly states that The Angel of the LORD appeared to them!

Even using common sense, would the writers have used the term Wise Men to describe them if indeed they were used by Satan?
Spreading false doctrines upandan! Which church do you belong to?

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by modaink333: 8:31pm On Jan 02, 2017
Endtime pastor This is no man of God......Christmas has been b4 his generation and will still stay after his generation.......lord Jesus i belive in your birth even after my death

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Abaje195(m): 8:41pm On Jan 02, 2017
dats all he said.
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Emu4life(m): 9:04pm On Jan 02, 2017
Bolustic:
Then MFM should not own a football team because they play on Sunday (Sabbath Day) and indirectly encourage betting.
Sabbath day starts from friday evening to Saturday. where u get ur own from?

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by muller101(m): 9:34pm On Jan 02, 2017
hotspec:
u shd have answer my question. Did he instruct u to celebrate his death and resurrection, wedding, funeral; birthday?
and where in my post did I mention that I do celebrate those things u mentioned?
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by biz9ja(m): 9:34pm On Jan 02, 2017
Seun:

Because of Christmas, people are expected to go to church to listen to sermons about Jesus. I guess the 'demons' didn't think things through.



Abi ooo...Setting Confusion Among The Brethren with His own opinion

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by labo222: 9:38pm On Jan 02, 2017
Epic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GihpQotg5uM&t=7s
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Emjay1310(m): 9:47pm On Jan 02, 2017
God does not look at the action, but intentions. Just because it started that way does not mean that God does not accept our worship on Christmas. The gadgets he is using in his church, does he knows how they were invented? Just go to God with a pure heart and whatever is bound on earth shall also be bound in heaven. God clearly accepts our Christmas worship pastor.

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by sylvez(m): 9:57pm On Jan 02, 2017
Princelegacylemoha:
Why Compliment Simple Life .
Life was meant to be simple.

like complicate ?

or you mean compliment?
no vexing o I just dey ask o
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by cyrilamx(m): 10:13pm On Jan 02, 2017
[quote author=muller101 post=52468534]He is right. I can't find any portion in the bible where it is stated that he was born on 25th dec. That we should celebrate. [/quotemodern Catholic has many fronts to defend, one of them being the so-called “pagan roots” of Christmas. Around Christmastime you are likely to hear the objection that Christmas is a Christo-pagan holiday, a mash-up of pagan beliefs and Christian celebration. Here are two of the objections you might meet, and a helpful way to respond to each.

“Christians coopted Christmas from the winter solstice celebration of Sol Invictus.”

Yes, there were mid-winter celebrations in religions outside Christianity during the time of the early Church. In fact, as with Easter, the Eastern and the Western churches observed Christmas differently, while, until recently, the Armenians didn’t celebrate it at all. The West led the way with a distinctive nativity-based celebration, concluding with the holy Mass. Christmas was not an assimilated celebration until the fourth century.

Does that mean that the apostle John, and Sts. Polycarp and Irenaeus—three men who were apostolically connected—did not celebrate Christmas? Probably not. But there is nothing wrong with this. There was never a debate about the birth of Christ, but the celebration of it as Christmas took time to develop.

The person who maintains Christmas’s “pagan roots” has to ask himself the following questions:

1. After centuries of the Church’s persecution for not observing pagan holidays, where is the proof of influence?

2. Who influenced whom? Did Christianity influence pagans to begin to adopt a more public and concrete celebration, or did they “Christianize” a pagan event? We can observe historically that the two celebrations were present at the time, but neither scenario is a problem for the Christian, because the Church has the ability to Christianize people and celebrations alike. Light overcame darkness at the celebration of Sol Invictus, and, in Christ, darkness was defeated by the real luminousness of Christ. Paganism had a hint, but Christianity had the fulfillment.

Remind your objector of what Paul said to the Greeks at the Areopagus:

“For as I passed along, and observed the object of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘to an unknown god.’ What therefore your worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you . . . that [every nation of men] should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him” (Acts 17:23, 27)

A desire for the “unknown God” is written on the hearts of all men. The Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it this way:

The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for. (CCC 27).

“The Christmas tree comes from pagan origins and is condemned in the Bible.”

The objector can have a field day with this one. Evergreens are a near-universal symbol of hope in the winter season. They represented resurrection (triumph of life over death) for the Egyptians, everlasting life for the Scandinavians and Druids, and agricultural anticipation (to the god Saturnalia) for the Greeks and Romans. But the tree is not recognized as a use of Christmas celebration until the time of the Reformation.

More closely connected to the ancient church is the use of evergreen wreaths. Your objector might say that it came around the same time as the popularity of the pagan celebration Saturnalia. The truth is, Tertullian wrote as early as A.D. 190-220 that Christians hang more “wreaths and laurels” than the pagans (who hang it for the “gate gods”) at their doors.

In this letter, Tertullian condemned the wreath as something into which to put hope as did the pagans with their temples, over that of Jesus who is the true Light in which we are the actual temples of the Spirit. He wasn’t condemning the décor! He ends with, “You are a light of the world, and a tree ever green. If you have renounced temples, make not your own gate a temple.” There’s little evidence that the Church adopted the practice from the pagans they were trying to convert.

The passage in the Bible your objector likely is referring is Jeremiah 10:3-4.

“Thus says the LORD: Learn not the customs of the nations, and have no fear of the signs of the heavens, though the nations fear them. For the cult idols of the nations are nothing, wood cut from the forest, wrought by craftsmen with the adze, adorned with silver and gold. With nails and hammers they are fastened, that they may not totter”(NAB).

Let’s get one thing straight: Jeremiah was not talking about Christmas trees. He was writing hundreds of years before Christmas became a celebration. He was pointing out the idolatry of the people of that day and, like Tertullian, was warning against the idolatry of those who put their hope in earthly gods and things.

Near to this, the objector must understand that Christians are not intent on worshiping their trees and are certainly not putting them in their entryways to deter spirits—perhaps for some carolers and eggnog, but not for protection.

Conclusion

There is nothing wrong with the Church baptizing certain practices of other religions. The objector is claiming the Church derived its beliefs from these celebrations when it only assimilated such seasonal celebrations and symbols. St. Patrick did the same with the clover to illuminate and demonstrate the reality of the Trinity. As did St. Paul in explaining the “unknown god” at the Areopagus. Paul did not derive the idea of God from the Greeks that day, and Patrick did not derive the Trinity from a leaf.

We don’t believe that Christians hold the patent on truth. Instead, we believe that God has allowed hints of himself in other religions. In other words, just because a specific religion does not contain the whole truth does not mean it contains no truth. If you witness to a pagan who believes a wreath will save him, maybe you can show him how Jesus is the fulfillment of that promise of everlasting life. Then, like the cross that hangs from our necks, we can display a wreath to remind us what is true. In this way, Christianity has the distinct ability to assimilate the “hints” of other religions.

I find the following passage from Vatican II’s Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions especially enlightening:

The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to himself (Nostra Aetate 4).

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Sinkills: 10:26pm On Jan 02, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
What kind of sermons do you think will be preached in a church that is fully decorated with pagan symbols called Xmas decorations? What sermons get preached on that day that is so special than what gets preached every other day?

What do people do with the sermon afterwards? They dump it aside cos they are so eager to throw knockouts and fireworks, eat chicken, get drunk have sex, party hard and everything unchristian-like. That is what the demons want. So, a mere sermon is just the smokescreen that covers the evil underneath.
You nailed it bro. God bless you.

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Sinkills: 10:32pm On Jan 02, 2017
Ultimatesammie:

He only told u d history of d celebration by d way who says people cannot celebrate Jesus on other days, did he specifically say celebrate me on that day, do people even celebrate him on that day, its just an excuse for some to eat nd get themselves wasted.
Is that celebrating Jesus to you.
Also to d atheists out there and those who dont believe in christ isnt it hypocrisy celebrating Christmas when you dont believe in christ.
Don't mind them.
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by leofab(f): 10:34pm On Jan 02, 2017
sanerugwei:

What is this one saying?
Its like your brain is paining you ni.

Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by fortunejum: 10:38pm On Jan 02, 2017
[color=#990000][/color]He is right. I can't find any portion in the bible where it is stated that he was born on 25th dec. That we should celebrate.
So if a date was not stated in the Bible and a date was set aside to celebrate is birthday makes it demonic?

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by mtngloetiartel: 10:46pm On Jan 02, 2017
homesteady:


I had to go and read all the Nativity stories in the Bible again because of this your comment, and what you wrote about the 3 Shepherds is absolutely false! Who taught you this useless doctrine?

According to Matthew story - Are you trying to tell us that the devil now control stars?
According to Luke story - it completely disproves your claims about satan manipulating anything! Luke 2:9 clearly states that The Angel of the LORD appeared to them!

Even using common sense, would the writers have used the term Wise Men to describe them if indeed they were used by Satan?
Spreading false doctrines upandan! Which church do you belong to?
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by mtngloetiartel: 10:49pm On Jan 02, 2017
homesteady:


I had to go and read all the Nativity stories in the Bible again because of this your comment, and what you wrote about the 3 Shepherds is absolutely false! Who taught you this useless doctrine?

According to Matthew story - Are you trying to tell us that the devil now control stars?
According to Luke story - it completely disproves your claims about satan manipulating anything! Luke 2:9 clearly states that The Angel of the LORD appeared to them!

Even using common sense, would the writers have used the term Wise Men to describe them if indeed they were used by Satan?
Spreading false doctrines upandan! Which church do you belong to?
FARABALE# They were refered to as wise men probably because they did not returnd to Herod to report to him where kid Jesus was staying with his parents. Again, those wise men were actualy astrolonger frm d east. (MATT.2:1, 2) Although astrology is popular among many today, d practice is strongly disaproved in the Bible. (DEUT. 18:10-12; ISAIAH 47: 13-15) Would God hav led to d newborn Jesus persons whose practices He condemned?
Was dat 'star' a sign frm God or was it frm someone who was seekin to hav God's Son destroyed?
Note dat d Bible account does nt say dat dey found d babe Jesus in a manger, as customarily depicted in Christmas art. When d astrologers arrived, Jesus and his parents were living in a house. As to Jesus' age at dat tym, remember dat, based on wat Herod had learned frm d astrologers, he decreed dat all d boys in d district of Bethlehem two years of age and unda were to be destroyed. (MATT.2:1, 11, 16)
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by EMIOMOADEOYE: 10:52pm On Jan 02, 2017
omogidi234:
He ought to have supported his argument with facts. It would take a long time before this issue is accepted. It was Pastor Kumuyi that first kicked against Christmas for Christians, he did his with verifiable facts.

That is not true.

Jehovah's` Witnesses have longed kicked against it.

Kumuyi was only starting to realize what we had long seen and stopped.

You want facts! Why not start with a simple google search for "Origins of Birthday Celebration"
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by dreezybines: 10:53pm On Jan 02, 2017
ifenes:
It is not demonic. It is mere Astrology. Astrology rules the days, months years and our calculations of cycles. This pastor is known for preaching about demons. Has anyone noticed that only his members suffer demonic attacks? This is because they created them as a result of focusing their energy on demons. Law of Attraction will always draw you to what you believe in or fear. His gullible members will create multiple realities of demonic infested life due to their beliefs.

Your Jesus said your beliefs will make you whole and shift mountains. I say, your beliefs determine what you experience. Demons are created by humans. Christmas has nothing to do with them, humans are the creators.

You're just saying what you don't know...

Who told u only is members suffers demonic attacks??

I'm a member and i ain't suffering from demonic attacks...

And i know a lot of people from other churches that comes for deliverance...

So my brother get ur facts right...
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Trexnemesis(m): 12:03am On Jan 03, 2017
Was Christ born? If yes, what is wrong in collectively choosing a day in the year to rejoice and celebrate it? To me, it's an opportunity to remind the world of the birth and eternal sacrifice of the lamb of God for our sins. Why complicate simple things?

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by homesteady(m): 12:06am On Jan 03, 2017
mtngloetiartel:
FARABALE# They were refered to as wise men probably because they did not returnd to Herod to report to him where kid Jesus was staying with his parents. Again, those wise men were actualy astrolonger frm d east. (MATT.2:1, 2) Although astrology is popular among many today, d practice is strongly disaproved in the Bible. (DEUT. 18:10-12; ISAIAH 47: 13-15) Would God hav led to d newborn Jesus persons whose practices He condemned?
Was dat 'star' a sign frm God or was it frm someone who was seekin to hav God's Son destroyed?
Note dat d Bible account does nt say dat dey found d babe Jesus in a manger, as customarily depicted in Christmas art. When d astrologers arrived, Jesus and his parents were living in a house. As to Jesus' age at dat tym, remember dat, based on wat Herod had learned frm d astrologers, he decreed dat all d boys in d district of Bethlehem two years of age and unda were to be destroyed. (MATT.2:1, 11, 16)

What is this guy saying? Is Mathew the only book in the Bible that wrote about the nativity story? Or is Luke not in Bible your church made?
In luke chapter 2, more light was shed on the wise men! Go and read it and stop vomiting what you have been fed by your domination!

Even in Mathew, it was clearly stated that they wanted to go and worship the new born king!

If you claim that Mathew and Luke were talking about 2 different set of men, that would have made more sense that this rubbish you are saying here!
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by olasubomi007(m): 12:16am On Jan 03, 2017
Oga o..

So where Christianity started, they chosed Dec. 25 as Christmas... And this Nigerians that only got to know about Christianity just about over a hundred years ago think they can dictate what is Christmas..

Smh sad

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Nobody: 12:36am On Jan 03, 2017
modaink333:
Endtime pastor This is no man of God......Christmas has been b4 his generation and will still stay after his generation.......lord Jesus i belive in your birth even after my death
Christmas been before his generation does blind this eyes from truth... The origin as long been traced to demonic activities of pagans who were converted to Christians..Just make more findings...mu<sup>2</sup>
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Nobody: 12:38am On Jan 03, 2017
Emu4life:
Sabbath day starts from friday evening to Saturday. where u get ur own from?
Thumbs up bro... They type without knowing anything...

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Emyogalanya: 1:49am On Jan 03, 2017
ZoneBslayer:

exactly the reason why I will ALWAYS verify whatever a preacher says to me,no matter how revered he is... the host of heaven celebrated the birth of Christ but a man calls it demonic?? does he know that he is speaking against the holy spirit? which in itself is a grave sin...the actual date may not be 25th December but who cares?? ALL the days of the week is the Lord's! for the earth is the Lord's and the fullness therein! (psalm 24:1)...truly the people perish for lack of knowledge! (Hosea 4:6)
and to think they even had a boxing day when the three wise men presented him with gifts. And for those who say 25 dec is paganic tell them. That even today in saudi arabia christians attend church on fridays afternoon so as not to conflict with muslims and they dress as them to cover up, it does not mean they are now muslims
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by redsun(m): 3:22am On Jan 03, 2017
Christmas is in line with Roman pagan holiday of saturnalia, a week long festival of lawlessness, merriment and lewdness when Roman citizens are allowed to go crazy and wild without being punished by law.

The early Christians hijacked the festival with the hope that it will entice pagans into their folds and they never looked back.

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Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by Ifebazz(m): 6:28am On Jan 03, 2017
All these yesterday found church pastors seeking relevance with small histories, but when Catholics who actually follow the historic background of the church, do or say things, they construe it to be heretics.
He can as well not celebrate or mark his own birthday because its origin might equally be demonic. Everything is demon in Nigeria because of millions of highly gullible followers.
If a pastor sees a home video, it turns to sermon in church and it becomes a myth to his followers.
Negodo what poverty has turned my people into?
Re: "The Root Of Christmas Is Demonic" - Pastor Olukoya Of MFM by petertamtam6(m): 7:54am On Jan 03, 2017
It is true.....xmas is a pagan festival.

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