orisa37:


God.

How wise of it

How can such write up convince anyone
Infact, you only exposed your god's selfishness and wickedness... Haba! Where do we even start from now?
Religion has ruined planet earth, I'm going to mars

0ubenji:
proclaiming the word of God erroneously with irreconcilable and contradictory expressions in your statements can never be what God sent u. Juz coz u keep rendering a barrage of bible verses with ur proclamations doesn't make u Godsent or spirit filled.
always try to quote appropriate bible verses strictly or atleast loosely in the context of what u assert. How does this apply to ur debate of your allusion of God's permission of evil upon us to Love?
This verse u quoted is meant to defend urself against adversaries who know not Christ in u. Seein you undergo difficult situations, yet with hope.

Peter instructs us to be ready to answer the question our life should inspire: "How can you be so hopeful in such difficult circumstances?"

Peter anticipates people will become curious. Hopefulness and joy are starkly different from the normal human response to suffering. So much so that people will be eager to understand it. What will we say when they ask? We must be prepared to give our defense, to make the case for faith in Christ. We need to reject the cultural pressure to keep our beliefs to ourselves. Instead, believers should openly share the good news of redemption through faith in Christ.

This verse u rendered was grossly misapplied

good, this applies to the Case of Job suffering for well doing as recorded in the bible. This means u've explicitly acknowledged suffering in christendom. Now, you shifted to the will of God being so, no longer, God allowing it out of love and just nature as u put earlier. I bet You'll attempt to entwine both, saying God's will is love always.
Yea, u right, this means it's his wish to do so if countless number of children and mothers suffer for nothing, worldwide. No food to eat or places to live. Some even die In their situation. Humanity(irrespective of their religion factions or belief system) do d best they can to help this ppl suffering for either well-doing or evil-doing which nobody but God knws, as far as we'd like to bliv it's his will.
But why da heck will u allude this totally to God's love and Just nature? This is pure fanatic Christianity.
U find it easy to spill these Ignorant phrases probably coz u find urself In a better standard of life compared to those undergoing the real hellish circumstances of life that u use as basis for ur faith.

enhancement can only apply to a preexisting entity. How bou someone who doesn't even knw the Christian faith, struggling to survive, children that have known suffering all their lives, ppl who wake up not knowing if they'll live thru dat day. I guess their inexplicable suffering is to enhance a faith that wasn't there in d first place?
I guess u've lived all ur life in d corners of a church. You don't read news, goto UNICEF, WHO, USAID websites and see suffering, then you'll fink well before u brag in ur thankful circumstances. There's nothing as honorable as when a christian learns to bridle their tongue whenever necessary. You must fink u're now a bible scholar to try to attempt answers to questions humanity have been waiting on God to answer Convincingly for countless centuries.
Let God be God, and do ur job of serving him in purity and truth, dont attempt to bring taint to his name with ur fanatism

Even d best of preachers do their possible best to steer off of the most controversial debate ever in christendom
The concept of Good and Evil with respect to God's will.
It'll forever be an unfinished business.
you agree once again that God will cause grief and later av compassion due to love?
If love is what God uses to end the grief he may afflict us with out of his will. What then prompts God to cause the grief in the first place. Love too I presume as u've said in all ur opening article uh?

You keep repeating your incoherent argument. instead of you to hide. in shame and admit. that you do not understand the Bible or my article.

0ubenji:
proclaiming the word of God erroneously with irreconcilable and contradictory expressions in your statements can never be what God sent u. Juz coz u keep rendering a barrage of bible verses with ur proclamations doesn't make u Godsent or spirit filled.
always try to quote appropriate bible verses strictly or atleast loosely in the context of what u assert. How does this apply to ur debate of your allusion of God's permission of evil upon us to Love?
This verse u quoted is meant to defend urself against adversaries who know not Christ in u. Seein you undergo difficult situations, yet with hope.

Peter instructs us to be ready to answer the question our life should inspire: "How can you be so hopeful in such difficult circumstances?"

Peter anticipates people will become curious. Hopefulness and joy are starkly different from the normal human response to suffering. So much so that people will be eager to understand it. What will we say when they ask? We must be prepared to give our defense, to make the case for faith in Christ. We need to reject the cultural pressure to keep our beliefs to ourselves. Instead, believers should openly share the good news of redemption through faith in Christ.

This verse u rendered was grossly misapplied

good, this applies to the Case of Job suffering for well doing as recorded in the bible. This means u've explicitly acknowledged suffering in christendom. Now, you shifted to the will of God being so, no longer, God allowing it out of love and just nature as u put earlier. I bet You'll attempt to entwine both, saying God's will is love always.
Yea, u right, this means it's his wish to do so if countless number of children and mothers suffer for nothing, worldwide. No food to eat or places to live. Some even die In their situation. Humanity(irrespective of their religion factions or belief system) do d best they can to help this ppl suffering for either well-doing or evil-doing which nobody but God knws, as far as we'd like to bliv it's his will.
But why da heck will u allude this totally to God's love and Just nature? This is pure fanatic Christianity.
U find it easy to spill these Ignorant phrases probably coz u find urself In a better standard of life compared to those undergoing the real hellish circumstances of life that u use as basis for ur faith.

enhancement can only apply to a preexisting entity. How bou someone who doesn't even knw the Christian faith, struggling to survive, children that have known suffering all their lives, ppl who wake up not knowing if they'll live thru dat day. I guess their inexplicable suffering is to enhance a faith that wasn't there in d first place?
I guess u've lived all ur life in d corners of a church. You don't read news, goto UNICEF, WHO, USAID websites and see suffering, then you'll fink well before u brag in ur thankful circumstances. There's nothing as honorable as when a christian learns to bridle their tongue whenever necessary. You must fink u're now a bible scholar to try to attempt answers to questions humanity have been waiting on God to answer Convincingly for countless centuries.
Let God be God, and do ur job of serving him in purity and truth, dont attempt to bring taint to his name with ur fanatism

Even d best of preachers do their possible best to steer off of the most controversial debate ever in christendom
The concept of Good and Evil with respect to God's will.
It'll forever be an unfinished business.
you agree once again that God will cause grief and later av compassion due to love?
If love is what God uses to end the grief he may afflict us with out of his will. What then prompts God to cause the grief in the first place. Love too I presume as u've said in all ur opening article uh?

You really sound like a kid. no wonder your points are baseless without direction no one. can make out your point or any sense in it.

blueAgent:






You really sound like a kid. no wonder your points are baseless without direction no one. can make out your point or any sense in it.

good..now I'm bringing out the real man behind the ignorant sermon

kullozone:
How can such write up convince anyone
Infact, you only exposed your god's selfishness and wickedness... Haba! Where do we even start from now?
Religion has ruined planet earth, I'm going to mars

same thing a christian brother told him but won't listen. The type that brings ignominy to the name of God nd Christian-fold.

0ubenji:
good..now I'm bringing out the real man behind the ignorant sermon

Hi,
Followers of Christ have emotions just as well as anyone else. It's the ability to recognize the emotional flaw, acknowledge it & pray for Christ to permanently uproot it out of one's life. Things happen...We have not attained perfection just yet. Please don't use the OP's moment of possible frustration with u as a way to destroy his character or dismiss this thread.

0ubenji:
good..now I'm bringing out the real man behind the ignorant sermon

The problem is you don't even understand yourself. when you are able to identify is from was then i will take you serious.

0ubenji:
same thing a christian brother told him but won't listen. The type that brings ignominy to the name of God nd Christian-fold.

Ingnorant seems to be Blissful to you.
You can read the article and point out things that are contracdictions or not supported by a Bible verse.

Lady39:


Hi,
Followers of Christ have emotions just as well as anyone else. It's the ability to recognize the emotional flaw, acknowledge it & pray for Christ to permanently uproot it out of one's life. Things happen...We have not attained perfection just yet. Please don't use the OP's moment of possible frustration with u as a way to destroy his character or dismiss this thread.

I was never frustrated. i wrote what i believe 100%.

kullozone:
How can such write up convince anyone
Infact, you only exposed your god's selfishness and wickedness... Haba! Where do we even start from now?
Religion has ruined planet earth, I'm going to mars

Be specific where is God's selfishness in the article? are we supposed to accept Bible 's narrative about what happened or are we to abandon them and guess ours.

0ubenji:
proclaiming the word of God erroneously with irreconcilable and contradictory expressions in your statements can never be what God sent u. Juz coz u keep rendering a barrage of bible verses with ur proclamations doesn't make u Godsent or spirit filled.
always try to quote appropriate bible verses strictly or atleast loosely in the context of what u assert. How does this apply to ur debate of your allusion of God's permission of evil upon us to Love?
This verse u quoted is meant to defend urself against adversaries who know not Christ in u. Seein you undergo difficult situations, yet with hope.

Peter instructs us to be ready to answer the question our life should inspire: "How can you be so hopeful in such difficult circumstances?"

Peter anticipates people will become curious. Hopefulness and joy are starkly different from the normal human response to suffering. So much so that people will be eager to understand it. What will we say when they ask? We must be prepared to give our defense, to make the case for faith in Christ. We need to reject the cultural pressure to keep our beliefs to ourselves. Instead, believers should openly share the good news of redemption through faith in Christ.

This verse u rendered was grossly misapplied

good, this applies to the Case of Job suffering for well doing as recorded in the bible. This means u've explicitly acknowledged suffering in christendom. Now, you shifted to the will of God being so, no longer, God allowing it out of love and just nature as u put earlier. I bet You'll attempt to entwine both, saying God's will is love always.
Yea, u right, this means it's his wish to do so if countless number of children and mothers suffer for nothing, worldwide. No food to eat or places to live. Some even die In their situation. Humanity(irrespective of their religion factions or belief system) do d best they can to help this ppl suffering for either well-doing or evil-doing which nobody but God knws, as far as we'd like to bliv it's his will.
But why da heck will u allude this totally to God's love and Just nature? This is pure fanatic Christianity.
U find it easy to spill these Ignorant phrases probably coz u find urself In a better standard of life compared to those undergoing the real hellish circumstances of life that u use as basis for ur faith.

enhancement can only apply to a preexisting entity. How bou someone who doesn't even knw the Christian faith, struggling to survive, children that have known suffering all their lives, ppl who wake up not knowing if they'll live thru dat day. I guess their inexplicable suffering is to enhance a faith that wasn't there in d first place?
I guess u've lived all ur life in d corners of a church. You don't read news, goto UNICEF, WHO, USAID websites and see suffering, then you'll fink well before u brag in ur thankful circumstances. There's nothing as honorable as when a christian learns to bridle their tongue whenever necessary. You must fink u're now a bible scholar to try to attempt answers to questions humanity have been waiting on God to answer Convincingly for countless centuries.
Let God be God, and do ur job of serving him in purity and truth, dont attempt to bring taint to his name with ur fanatism

Even d best of preachers do their possible best to steer off of the most controversial debate ever in christendom
The concept of Good and Evil with respect to God's will.
It'll forever be an unfinished business.
you agree once again that God will cause grief and later av compassion due to love?
If love is what God uses to end the grief he may afflict us with out of his will. What then prompts God to cause the grief in the first place. Love too I presume as u've said in all ur opening article uh?

Grief can be punishment for ones sin.
where did i write that all sufferings are becos of God's love or trial?

0ubenji:
U liken a debate to a torturous experience of leprosy and almost loss of life?
U're saying now that God and devil had a contest of loyalty of servants and Job was the representative?
Ur analogies are weak plz.
I,however, recall u saying God can speak for himself..
If I'm to take ur analogy literally, So why is job involved as a Debate representative between Himself and Satan.

And if it was not a contest. kindly explain to us what transpired in Job 1.

blueAgent:






Grief can be punishment for ones sin.
where did i write that all sufferings are becos of God's love or trial?

but in a case where it is not?


Out of love baa?

blueAgent:



And if it was not a contest. kindly explain to us what transpired in Job 1.

another suicidal expression yet again..u really need to sharpen ur debating skills..

An individual gets into a contest with a motive to impress either the spectators or the opponent.

But, u said God was not trying to impress anyone in job's case, that God doesn't impress or had in mind to do dat.
Nau, u acknowledge it was a contest?
So why do u think God got into a contest with an idiot like Satan, if not to impress?
Someone he created himself.

U cnt even define ur position bro..lolz
I keep swaying u back and forth

blueAgent:




I was never frustrated. i wrote what i believe 100%.

berra don't fight ur sweet friend out of dis frustration..she's on ur side oo
Juz calm Dan nd let's keep enjoying our debate

blueAgent:






Grief can be punishment for ones sin.
where did i write that all sufferings are becos of God's love or tria[/b]l?

[b]Satan rulership of this world is what we see today in form of wars,Chaos,famine,corruption,genocide,earthquakes,injustice,poverty,drought,disasters,racism,tribalism,rape,incest,hurricanes,e.t.c

It was imperative for God to allow all this to happen inorder to unreval the true nature of Satan and to show the entire Universe what the Universe will be like,when things are done outside his divinelaws,

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In Conclusion
God has allowed all this to happen out of his loving and just nature,so that all his creations can appreciate his gift of freewill.
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All above are in ur very own words. Culled from ur oxymoronic epistle..

You're one easy man to debate with I must confess..

0ubenji:
Satan rulership of this world is what we see today in form of wars,Chaos,famine,corruption,genocide,earthquakes,injustice,poverty,drought,disasters,racism,tribalism,rape,incest,hurricanes,e.t.c

It was imperative for God to allow all this to happen inorder to unreval the true nature of Satan and to show the entire Universe what the Universe will be like,when things are done outside his divinelaws,

------------------

In Conclusion
God has allowed all this to happen out of his loving and just nature,so that all his creations can appreciate his gift of freewill.
--------------

All above are in ur very own words. Culled from ur oxymoronic epistle..

You're one easy man to debate with I must confess..

How is it contractdictory. so becos of love, you expect God will allow Adam and his descendants to go unpunished? is like you mistake God for Mortal Man.

0ubenji:
another suicidal expression yet again..u really need to sharpen ur debating skills..

An individual gets into a contest with a motive to impress either the spectators or the opponent.

But, u said God was not trying to impress anyone in job's case, that God doesn't impress or had in mind to do dat.
Nau, u acknowledge it was a contest?
So why do u think God got into a contest with an idiot like Satan, if not to impress?
Someone he created himself.

U cnt even define ur position bro..lolz
I keep swaying u back and forth

I laugh at your ingnorance. you think playing with words will make you win a debate?

I asked you a question and you craftly refused to answer me.

0ubenji:
but in a case where it is not?

Out of love baa?

Give examples

blueAgent:



How is it contractdictory. so becos of love, you expect God will allow Adam and his descendants to go unpunished? is like you mistake God for Mortal Man.

God allowed the evil that befell Adam take place coz of Love, even tho he saw it from the start
..no be so?
Search nairaland for a thread on freewill..I contributed actively in dat thread alongside others..
You'll learn something new..
DAts if u're ready to do away with bigotry

0ubenji:
God allowed the evil that befell Adam take place coz of Love, even tho he saw it from the start
..no be so?
Search nairaland for a thread on freewill..I contributed actively in dat thread alongside others..
You'll learn something new..
DAts if u're ready to do away with bigotry

You are too confused to educate anyone.Love without freewill is not love.

blueAgent:




Give examples

I don't need to flood u with examples. You'll get ur answer from The following question.
Is evry grief experienced by an individual always deserved?

If ur answer is NO as shud be .. Whatever examples u ignorantly and naively asked me for earlier lies in ur reasons for that NO.

blueAgent:




You are too confused to educate anyone.Love without freewill is not love.

I want to kill, I chose not to, for the fear of hell.
Nd u call dat freewill...
lolz.
Young man...u av no idea what freewill is... I refuse to educate u on dat...goto to dat thread I recommended for u or forget issues..case closed

blueAgent:



I laugh at your ingnorance. you think playing with words will make you win a debate?

I asked you a question and you craftly refused to answer me.

why do God feel he had something to prove to Satan in Job, if there was no intention to impress...?

Yet u say, God doesn't or wasn't seeking to impress Satan or anything.
I told u, the picture u painted of that narrative shows Satan whined God and succumbed, hence he afflicted job.
You disagreed, saying God wasn't whined.
You, stil, later reiterated that it was a contest Btw them..
Which must av erupted coz Satan did d whining..
Remember, u said God initiated the conversation,
nd you stil claim he dint av a motive to impress.


Speaking from both sides of ur mouth

blueAgent:



How is it contractdictory. so becos of love, you expect God will allow Adam and his descendants to go unpunished? is like you mistake God for Mortal Man.

where did i write that all sufferings are becos of God's love or tria

U asked for this, in an attempt to deny ur prior perspective, and I answered u with..


In Conclusion
God has allowed all this to happen out of his loving and just nature,so that all his creations can appreciate his gift of freewill.

Yet u stil asked for a contradiction in ur assertions, a second time?
We're both typing in our lingua Franca bro, not Swahili.
Funny enuf u claim I craftedly refused to answer a question I explicitly put to u in emboldened quotations of urs.

I'm beginning to fink I'm in a debate wit more than just U.

0ubenji:

I want to kill, I chose not to, for the fear of hell.
Nd u call dat freewill...
lolz.
Young man...u av no idea what freewill is... I refuse to educate u on dat...goto to dat thread I recommended for u or forget issues..case closed

It is obvious You don't know the definition of freewill,

voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my
own free will>


the ability to choose how to act.

the ability to make choices that are not
controlled by fate or God
FREE WILL Defined for Kid

Freewill means having liberty to choose beteen good and bad. that is the definition.
You. are expecting to make choice without consquences? I laugh at you.

0ubenji:
why do God feel he had something to prove to Satan in Job, if there was no intention to impress...?

Yet u say, God doesn't or wasn't seeking to impress Satan or anything.
I told u, the picture u painted of that narrative shows Satan whined God and succumbed, hence he afflicted job.
You disagreed, saying God wasn't whined.
You, stil, later reiterated that it was a contest Btw them..
Which must av erupted coz Satan did d whining..
Remember, u said God initiated the conversation,
nd you stil claim he dint av a motive to impress.


Speaking from both sides of ur mouth

God does things for his own pleasure not for the Devil. God allowed jobs trail for his glory.he was not trying to impress the Devil. but just for his glory.

0ubenji:
why do God feel he had something to prove to Satan in Job, if there was no intention to impress...?

Yet u say, God doesn't or wasn't seeking to impress Satan or anything.
I told u, the picture u painted of that narrative shows Satan whined God and succumbed, hence he afflicted job.
You disagreed, saying God wasn't whined.
You, stil, later reiterated that it was a contest Btw them..
Which must av erupted coz Satan did d whining..
Remember, u said God initiated the conversation,
nd you stil claim he dint av a motive to impress.


Speaking from both sides of ur mouth

When you see God if you can you can ask him.
You are far from reality like all athiests do.

0ubenji:


where did i write that all sufferings are becos of God's love or tria

U asked for this, in an attempt to deny ur prior perspective, and I answered u with..


In Conclusion
God has allowed all this to happen out of his loving and just nature,so that all his creations can appreciate his gift of freewill.

Yet u stil asked for a contradiction in ur assertions, a second time?
We're both typing in our lingua Franca bro, not Swahili.
Funny enuf u claim I craftedly refused to answer a question I explicitly put to u in emboldened quotations of urs.

I'm beginning to fink I'm in a debate wit more than just U.

I laugh at you. you are twisting words to boost your ingnorance and you feel you know anything about God.

Proverb 16:25, “There is a way that
seemeth right unto a man, but the end
thereof are the ways of death.”

blueAgent:




It is obvious You don't know the definition of freewill,

voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my
own free will>


the ability to choose how to act.

the ability to make choices that are not
controlled by fate or God
FREE WILL Defined for Kid

Freewill means having liberty to choose beteen good and bad. that is the definition.
You. are expecting to make choice without consquences? I laugh at you.

If the consequences of a choice is not independent of the powers of the one giving it..
It's not..freewill
DAts pure marketing strategy.

I tell u dat u're free to enter one of two rooms to do what u like, meanwhile I've specifically prepared a fire to burn u to Ashes if u go into one .. Nd you'll tel me I av given u free will?
...when I'm well aware that ur knowledge of a fire being there will definitely control ur ability to choose which room to go?
Definitely ur ability to choose has been controlled by the virtue of the consequences I invented for u..
The independence of choice is already invalid.

U chose to do Good coz u wanna avoid hell(prepped by God)

blueAgent, is ur choice not controlled by God already?
Ur choice is no longer voluntary coz u r playing by some rules and pretend it to be ur actual choice when u know deep down its not what u had in mind.

You're missing d point, the problem is not d consequence, there z a law of cause and effect in place already dat acts independently.
U cant invent a consequence for my choice and say u av given me freewill.

Lamentations 3:32 acknowledges dat God may cause us grief, why dint God choose to allow us decide if we want d grief or not before afflictin us without our consent?

Freewill is also meant to be able to decide ur fate again by d liberty of ur choices..lolz..but job dint choose to be afflicted by diseases u knw..his freewill was abused don't u fink?

Mehn..semantics, it's not something u play with in a debate, u must understand the logics of composition or you'll never win, even if ur opponent is dull.

U had berra stick to ur quotation of irreconcilable bible verses nd avoid a philosophical debate, lolz..it's not ur calling..
I'll rather spare u in dis regard nd go back to d status quo of our debate.

blueAgent:



I laugh at you. you are twisting words to boost your ingnorance and you feel you know anything about God.

Proverb 16:25, “There is a way that
seemeth right unto a man, but the end
thereof are the ways of death.”

good, so u're the one who knows d right way..nd on itz me on d wrong one chey..
Spiritual over confidence dey wori u..
I bliv u must av come across 1cor 10:12