Sky Blue:

Unlike some governors, it was reported that Yar Adua left money in the state treasury; some argue it was pretty much all he did, and I would be in that category, I don't believe such makes you a good leader. It could be argued that he was not corrupt, key word there being 'argued'. There is no evidence of serious corruption but there was no evidence of progress either (kind of what we see him do now, except I would say shielding of corrupt officials is tantamount to corruption).

Sorry to disappoint you and I hope you do not take offence, but I am not here to impress you. The onus is not on me to show you budgetary allocations of Katsina state under Yar Adua. You are yet to point to solid achievements to buttress your proclamation that Yar Adua was practising "good governance". So based on such a proclamation, and based on what I have said in the absence of any solid rebuttal from you, can I then deduce that your statement was uninformed? OR are we now saying not stealing and not spending money is the epitome of good governance?

Sagamite:

Please lead the way in defending your "reports". It is also a bold statement, surely you too should butress it otherwise you made an uninformed statement whilst inquisiting about one you claimed made?

Sky Blue:

So I am guessing you are admitting an inability to defend the statement you made? Never made bold proclamations, just simply stated one of the issues Yar Adua was sold on during his "campaign", we were told he left a budget surplus. How on earth does that compare to declaring he was a good govenor? Anyways, I will oblige. Here is a link from a basic search, from one of the articles from about 2 or 3 years ago.

http://www.ngex.com/nigeria/govt/president/default.htm

Sagamite:

A surplus is when a government earns more money than it spends. It is the difference between current government spending and total current revenue from all types of taxes. Achieving it is a sign of good governance.

That just "butresses" my point, not yours. You still need to prove he sat on the budget and did not spend it.

Do you want to do a more "robust" search to "butress" your "informed" bold statement?

KnowAll:

I think the constitution is clear with regards to the VP’s position, I dont think any official hand- over is required when a President is indispose. The VP having being sworn in 2007 with Yardua does not require another fresh mandate for him to take over the reins of affair of the state, if and when required. It is the VP's constitutional, moral and obligatory duty to assume the office of the Presidency in the absence of his boss.

Ibime:

@ Sky Blue.

Sagamite has opened the door for you to kick him where it hurts with this quote. Its easy to show that Yara had a surplus not by generating new revenue, but by sitting on the budget. Just look for Katsinsas IGR figures. It is one of the worst performing, and has been so since Yara time.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-300410.0.html


Do Nigerians know their rights? Goodluck is a Federal houseboy.

Sagamite:

From your "basic search" you did not notice this part of the report in YOUR link?

"Alhaji Umaru Musa Yar’adua, can best be remembered as the first governor to publicly declare his assets, and he promised to do same again at the end of his tenure.

During his tenure as the governor of Kastina state, there had been unprecedented development in the state both in the educational and health sector, provision of rural and urban roads in the state, electrification of both rural and urban area, water supply and agriculture in the state.

He had been proven to be prudent, accountability and transparency in his leadership. The state now enjoys a surplus of N6.56 billion [/b]from an empty treasury and back lots of debts which he met as a governor in 1999.

[b]He had won the following awards

- The National Primary Education Productivity Merit Award in 2004.

- Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) best Governor Award under the Agricultural Credit Guarantee Scheme (ACGS) in 2005."


Thank you for doing my proofing for me. Unfortunately you did not do yours.

It seems while you were doing your "basic" search, you had only a "basic" understanding of economic terms.

A surplus is when a government earns more money than it spends. It is the difference between current government spending and total current revenue from all types of taxes. Achieving it is a sign of good governance.

That just "butresses" my point, not yours. You still need to prove he sat on the budget and did not spend it.

Do you want to do a more "robust" search to "butress" your "informed" bold statement?

Just to kink you a bit, I did a "basic" search too. See paragraph 13:

http://www.scidev.net/en/sub-suharan-africa/features/in-with-the-new-nigerias-science-president.html

I await your butter for your bold statement.

Sky Blue:

I was fully aware of the part of the article you highlighted, in fact, there are many more propaganda articles like this one that made those same argument, including one or two on NVS. I was curious to see if you would further indict yourself by actually showing you did not initially know what you were talking about when you made that statement about good governance. You took the bait and indirectely, you have brazenly accepted your original statement was uninformed.

Now let us look at the points you highlighted, I would simply ignore the statement @Ibime called you out on because we both see the flaw.

Peter Odilli also won awards for best governance during his tenure, so please don't highlight such awards as actual credible and worthwhile posessions, I expect more from you. It is quite amusing that you take such vague statements like "unprecedented development in the state both in the educational and health sector" at face value, without considering the fact that Katsina state continously perfomed poorly in external exams, and had the worst results for NECO and SSCE in 2007 and 2008 consecutively, so what development are we talking of?

Let us not complicate issues any more, I don't like having uneccessarry arguments. Let us bring this thing back to the start. You said Yar Adua practised "good governance" in Katsina state, I told you to list some achievements and you couldn't. You couldn't even list the "unprecedented development in the state both in the educational and health sector" and other points you are now so willing to espouse, neither could you defend them. So in retrospect was it an uninformed statement? I would leave it for others to decide but I believe the point is made. I just don't know why you couldn't say you didn't know and move on, just felt like unnecessarry argument born from pride. Anyways, all is not lost, at least you learnt something new; now when you claim Yar Adua was a good govenor you won't need to pretend to know why you think he is one.

I didn't intend my argument that Yar Adua did nothing but sit on state funds to be taken as factual, it was loose hyperbole born from my belief that he is not the achiever some claimed him to be in Katsina. How much IGR did Katsina state generate while he was govenor? What were the policies he embarked on that made him such a good gorvenor? Apart from waiting to spend oil allocation, what development programmes did he embark on? There was a surplus yes, but there was also a lot to be done, kind of like a begger living under the bridge while he has a cheque for a billion naira in his hands. I could go on, but I won't bore you.

The point I am trying to make is, I can say I had a reason for taking the position that he was a less than stellar govenor (to put it mildly), but you couldn't really put up a good defence as to why you thought he was any good to begin with. You couldn't point to achievements, I even had to do that for you (raising the issue of surplus and directing you to the article). So if people feel the need to criticise him, it might not be wise to brazenly claim different without even knowing what you are talking about, no need for blind arguments.

Sagamite:

Oh my God! Yet again you did not butter your bold statement, it is now a hyperbole? So are you changing direction or you agree there was nothing solid or informed about it? 

Now to come to your "winning points". So it is now propaganda that he did good as governor?

As I said earlier, I would take the word of sources that seem to be singing a generic hymn of his good work until there is a counter-choir singing something else. As I said earlier, NONE EXISTS so I would take it he did good! You are free to live in your world and say it is a propaganda machine. Kini big deal! There are those that believe the CIA organised the planes to crash into the Twin Towers. So yours is cool.

To me, it is laughable that you are highlighting that Katsina performed poorly in exams in 2007/8.  Who do you think Yaradua is? Professor Peller or David Blaine?

If you understand maturity models, then you would understand such change does not happen overnight. So you want him in 8 years to improve the quality of teaching, improve schooling infrastructure and schools, provide funding and outperform others with better set-up by 2008? 

No mate, it takes time. The foundation needs to be in place, engrained and sustained before you see results. So if he has invested in the schools and increased attendance, then he has laid a good foundation. Please don't crack me up with the NECO/WAEC stuff.

Now to come to the IGR, so now that is your "wonderful defence" of him not performing?  Now you got me cracking up. 

Sorry mate, sometimes you need to understand the pragmatism on the ground before you postulate your idealism. Have you considered the ways of increasing IGR? Have you considered the pragmatism of achieving this ways in a place like Katsina? Have you balanced this with the benefit and risk of taxing very poor people than merely relying on federal allocation to build a foundation? You think na so e bi just to say increase IGR and do it without looking at the political and emotional implication on the landscape? You think a cattle rearer would appreciate being taxed for good roads and evn education that he might never use like a Lagosian would be? 

If it is comedy, I have to give it to you, YOU WIN as you claimed.

Mate, find better metrics to judge good governance.

Sky Blue:

LOL. It is amusing how you want to shift focus and now argue about the issues and the nature of "good governance" with regards to Katsina state, especially amusing when you did not even know what the issues were. LOL. Dude, your statement was uninformed and it was so obvious. You did not know what you were talking about, it showed and that was the issue. I called you out on this and asked you to state achievements and now you want to talk about how my idealism might not be appropriate for what was "on the ground", did you even know what was on the ground? I did not come to argue about how bad a governor Yar Adua was, if you want to discuss such, open another thread. Just wanted to point out your ignorance of the situation. I would not indulge you any further, it is futile. Have a nice day 

With regards to funniest post of the day? I might have to give that to you. You almost convinced the poster you knew what you were talking about.

posakosa:

yaradua and good governance---- I giggle in google---- he's better than most though.

Cyber G:

Yet, Yaradua, you are afraid to meet the Allah you have been going to visit during the Hajj so frequently! Why? Don't you think he must be keen on meeting you too since you have absconded any kind of work since 2007 and protected the most corrupt humans on the face of the earth?

posakosa:

SaharaReporters are RUMOR MONGERING MORONS---- LET THEM PROVIDE US WITH THEIR SOURCE.

globalaid:

@bisiaet, i second your point. i was close to tears when i read his doctor message this morning concerning what he was suffering from, i am sure it is not easy releasing that statement. i wish him speedy recovery and pray he come back alive, he is a fellow human being like me and we must not rejoice on his predicament, yaradua death cannot change nigeria overnight, the people holding the nation down are the problem and until they are uprooted and their foundation destroy i dont see us going anywhere.

CyberG:

Some people are just downright ridiculous about PRAYING for an EVIL MAN. . .to do what? To come and destroy the little of the pathetic life you have left?? So, this man is allowed to directly and indirectly kill thousands of people in Gbaramatu, other areas of the Niger Delta, the Boko Haram joker and his followers, and several thousands dying due to no access to effective and good health care (the type he gets in SA and Germany), accidents due to bad roads that have not been fixed, maintained or constructed while money has been allocated and stolen, the hapless youths who out of frustration turn to a life of crime and are summarily executed in the process, the several thousands in the prison system who are awaiting trial for several years and the several of them who are killed and never accounted for! How about the frustrated ones who cannot get a life in Nigeria, cannot or failed to get a visa and embarks on a perilous journey to cross into Europe via North Africa, and the several who are not accounted for??

Nigerians praying for this KIND of MAN and his ILK have no fear of God, are wicked, down-right ignorant and should share in this man's afflictions! Wait a second, does any FOOL think God is STUPID? There are mad men and women who eat from the dumps and are sick as a result, yet their sickness is not this terrible! If this fool and his ilk were doing their job, the scavengers will live a better life. You Mr./Mrs. Ignorant Prayer Warrior will spend more of your productive life making a change rather than releasing bacteria into the atmosphere! One man has all the resources for 150 Million+ Nigerians, he denies them these resources and puts several of them to punishment, but guess what? The same God you stupid and blind pharisees pray to has kept those afflicted ones and will keep them while the rich and stupid man will be in his grave much sooner than the 150 Million+ people who are suffering!

Now, did this kind of disease(s) just jump on him today/last week/last month/last year?? When he was destroying his organs with smoking all what not and other bad habits, did he even think about tomorrow? That tomorrow is here now. . .as you lay your bed, you gotta fucking lie on it! YaraDoNothing was living a lie, fooling himself, grandstanding on a game of squash he had no intention/capacity to even sit and watch, talk less of playing! Has he repented of this lie? Yet YOU FOOLS are praying! Nigerians are really STUPID. . .especially those who pray blindly and happen to be in the MAJORITY! Truth be told, Yarastupid needs to resign ASAP, apologize to Nigerians for lying to them and wasting their time, make peace with Allah he has been pretending to be visiting every few weeks in Saudi Arabia, spend the rest of his days showing and making love to his wife (if he is capable except of course, this woman hates him for she doesn't care about his life) and their children. This is the advice you need to give to him now! Your stupid and baseless prayer is a colossal waste of God's prayer bandwidth, a waste of your time and those of us who read it!

horny4u:


Chei, such bile and bitterness coming from you, haba, how can you say you know God and wish your fellow human dead and to still go for the neck of noble people who have prayed for him.
Yar a stupid (that you may still say after all we are humans and can abuse each other, any one so righteous will already be in heaven)
But to wish death on someone, you need serious prayers, walahi oro e fa dura, shoooou