Explain why islamic teaching is different for every denomination yet they claim their teaching is from the same Allah?. Below is a quotation from Abuzola. He said it himself that islam has different teachings and its up to any believer to choose the one that benefits him most. In other words, if you like adultery, you choose the teaching that supports adultery; if you like alcohol, you choose the belief that supports drinking; if you like killing, you choose Boko haram school of thought and so on.

Abuzola:
we have different school of taught, the maliki, shafi'i, hambali, hanafi etc, almost of them contradict each other, but the beauty of Islam is you are left with a choice, either to pick the easier one or you take the one you prefer, no lélé, but if you transgress ah ! OYO lòwa. OYO (On Your Own)

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-162572.64.html   

aloy~emeka, while there are school of thoughts, the only one that is important is the school of thought of Muhammad (as). he is the rasul and the nabi with nubuwa. if any school of thought hears about his and choose to ignore it after hearing it, the rejecter have rejected true faith. no ifs, or buts.

there is no school of thought that says you can kill, or drink alcohol, or any of what you listed or any other that is bad in all normacy, and i want you to show any to me in normal condition, if you can.

aloy~emeka, please do me a favor and be honest and disinterested in your questioning, otherwise i will hae to say that you are exhibiting evil and lying spirit!

I just quoted Abuzola, who happens to be a very respected faithful among nairaland muslims even though he has a knack for insulting kufirs. He clearly said that there are many school of thoughts that teach different doctrines and one can choose any one he or she wants as long as it suits his or her lifestyle. So if there is no underlying standard for measuring the Islamic faith, how may they claim that all these rules and regulations come from allah?. Allah is one yet he teaches different things to different islamic faithfuls depending on their social and religious leaning. Should the Allah who is one teach them one doctrine?

Aloy~Emeka:

I just quoted Abuzola, who happens to be a very respected faithful among nairaland muslims even though he has a knack for insulting kufirs. He clearly said that there are many school of thoughts that teach different doctrines and one can choose any one he or she wants as long as it suits his or her lifestyle. So if there is no underlying standard for measuring the Islamic faith, how may they claim that all these rules and regulations come from allah?. Allah is one yet he teaches different things to different islamic faithfuls depending on their social and religious leaning. Should the Allah who is one teach them one doctrine?

Welcome to the world of islam . . . now you know why Abrogation and De-abrogation is quite a useful tool in Islam. . . you can just pick and choose what you want.

Olabowale is trying to avoid that question by going around it in circles but Abuzola's confession will be my witness.

None of you can explain why there is disparity in Islamic teachings?

keep on waiting . . .

do you sincerely expect them to tell you something that can be incriminating . . .

Aloy~Emeka:

Explain why islamic teaching is different for every denomination yet they claim their teaching is from the same Allah?. Below is a quotation from Abuzola. He said it himself that islam has different teachings and its up to any believer to choose the one that benefits him most. In other words, if you like adultery, you choose the teaching that supports adultery; if you like alcohol, you choose the belief that supports drinking; if you like killing, you choose Boko haram school of thought and so on.

yes,

i.e,In other words, if you like adultery, there is no islamic teachings that will teach u to fornicate, if you like alcohol, no islamic teachings that t supports drinking; if you like killing, there is npo islamic teachings that support killing,

so what ever islam teaches u, it will end up not allowing u to do evil or sin ,

I really dont know where to start explaining this issue.

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we have different school of taught, the maliki, shafi'i, hambali, hanafi etc, almost of them contradict each other, but the beauty of Islam is you are left with a choice, either to pick the easier one or you take the one you prefer, no lélé, but if you transgress ah ! OYO lòwa. OYO (On Your Own)

Abuzola with all due respect missed the point on the schools of thought, it is not as he expressed it.

Islam only has established schools of thought in issues relating to fiqh - islamic jurispundence. The schools of thought dont contradict each other in all issues , on the contrry what is agreed upon is tremenduosly higher than the disagreement. We do not call their disagreement contradiction rather we use the term ikhtilaf - difference of opinion.

Imam malik was a student of Abuhanifa, Imam shafi was a student of Imam malik, Imam Hamabali was a student of imam  Shafi, Abu hanifa was also a student of Imam Jafar, Imam zaidi also studied under the same teacher as imam jafar.

The imams only had difference of opinion amongst themselves.

I dont know if i should go a bit deep but let me try to explain that in matters of belief and creed these imams agreed on them. All the majors aspect of islam they all agreed upon. What they disagree amongst themselves are mainly issues we term mandub(recommended acts of worship) which are not complulsory (Wajib) so they are not issues of great significnce that should cause disagreement.

I really dont want to go deep on this issue as fiqh is as vast as an ocean.

@Aloyemeka
All the prohibited issues in islam remain prohibited regardless of the school of thought.
All the obligatory acts of worship remains the same
the five pillars of islam remains the same
The seven articles of faith remains the same
The issues of difference are isues of real detail and application of islamic priniciples to their contemporary world.

@lagosboy- i must confess am truly disappointed in you.

If aloy-emaka is misunderstanding what school of taught is you should ve corrected him, did you bother to follow the link and read why i posted such word instead of justifying it with just a chunk ?

There was an arguement that ensued whether or not a man can suck his wife breast and in response to that i said we have four school of taught, one tends to agree with it while the other disagree with it, they all have their proof from the hadith, so i said you can follow any of the school of taught, it depends on which one suit you.

Aloyemeka mistaken the school of taught to be outside the great imam, malik, hambali, Hanifa and co, he thought the school of taught could be any of the contemporary, instead of you to correct him you bounce into irrelevant conclusion.

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@lagosboy- i must confess am truly disappointed in you.

If aloy-emaka is misunderstanding what school of taught is you should ve corrected him, did you bother to follow the link and read why i posted such word instead of justifying it with just a chunk ?

There was an arguement that ensued whether or not a man can  suck  his wife bosom and in response to that i said we have four school of taught, one tends to agree with it while the other disagree with it, they all have their proof from the hadith, so i said you can follow any of the school of taught, it depends on which one suit you.

Aloyemeka  mistaken the school of taught to be outside the great imam, malik, hambali, Hanifa and co, he thought the school of taught could be any of the contemporary, instead of you to correct him you bounce into irrelevant conclusion.

You mean islam has 4 schools of thought on whether or not to watch dirty movies?. How many schools of thought do they have on whether or not to commit murder or adultery?

No mr emeka, adultery, fornication and all kind of sin is forbidden.


The four school of taughts are jurispendence on fiqhu like my respected brother lagosboy said, lawful and unlawful acts are clear in the Quran and hadith,

the four school of taughts make verdict on newly materialism that were absent in the Prophet and the sahaba's time.

Sucking ur wife b-r-e-a-s-t is not indency, get that right, there are even some scholars that approve that you can suck ur wife orifice if thats what she enjoy and makes her satisfy using hadith as a guide. Stop missing things up, boko haram or taliban or al qaeda is not among the school of taught, the school of taught are four namely malik, hambali, shafi'i and hanafi, in west africa we adopt malik doctrine and in asia hanafi doctrine etc,



the school of taught has no right and will never make a lawful thing unlawful

Abuzola 1:

@lagosboy- i must confess am truly disappointed in you.

If aloy-emaka is misunderstanding what school of taught is you should ve corrected him, did you bother to follow the link and read why i posted such word instead of justifying it with just a chunk ?

There was an arguement that ensued whether or not a man can suck his wife bosom and in response to that i said we have four school of taught, one tends to agree with it while the other disagree with it, they all have their proof from the hadith, so i said you can follow any of the school of taught, it depends on which one suit you.

Aloyemeka mistaken the school of taught to be outside the great imam, malik, hambali, Hanifa and co, he thought the school of taught could be any of the contemporary, instead of you to correct him you bounce into irrelevant conclusion.

@Abuzola apologies to you if you are offended. I must confess i did not follow the link but rather just read the quote.

I was only trying to elaborate on the point. However i disagree with the term of contradiction btw all the schools of thought.

Sincere apologies however

@Aloy~Emeka; « #3 on: December 03, 2009, 07:39 AM »

Quote from: Aloy~Emeka on December 03, 2009, 05:14 AM
I just quoted Abuzola, who happens to be a very respected faithful among nairaland muslims even though he has a knack for insulting kufirs. He clearly said that there are many school of thoughts that teach different doctrines and one can choose any one he or she wants as long as it suits his or her lifestyle. So if there is no underlying standard for measuring the Islamic faith, how may they claim that all these rules and regulations come from allah?. Allah is one yet he teaches different things to different islamic faithfuls depending on their social and religious leaning. Should the Allah who is one teach them one doctrine?

Welcome to the world of islam . . . now you know why Abrogation and De-abrogation is quite a useful tool in Islam. . . you can just pick and choose what you want.

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do you sincerely expect them to tell you something that can be incriminating . . .

what could be incriminating in Islam that muslims will be hiding, especially when Quran is One and available in Original, unlike the many varied bible without a single one fit to stand muster, not in the original language, etc, etc (lol), both you can now find on the Web? We have hadith, sirah, etc on Web and men, please tell me where do you think any of the Imam's idea will be accepted if it is different from that of Muhammad (as) and what platform will that be imam be standing on, equal to the prophet? Who was the revelation given to and believers are commanded to follow?

If a man is not following the school of Muhammad, such a person is following the school of shaitan (laanatUllahi alal kafirin). The imams, each said if you find Muhammad's statement differing from mine, take that of the prophet, because if I had known it before I give mine, I would just have repeated what the beloved of Allah said!

Where are your manners, Emeka, No2Atheism, and gang for lying on Islam?

Lagosboy:

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I was only trying to elaborate on the point. However i disagree with the term of contradiction btw all the schools of thought.
Sincere apologies however

not all sir

olabowale:

@Aloy~Emeka; « #3 on: December 03, 2009, 07:39 AM »  what could be incriminating in Islam that muslims will be hiding, especially when Quran is One and available in Original, unlike the many varied bible without a single one fit to stand muster, not in the original language, etc, etc (lol), both you can now find on the Web? We have hadith, sirah, etc on Web and men, please tell me where do you think any of the Imam's idea will be accepted if it is different from that of Muhammad (as) and what platform will that be imam be standing on, equal to the prophet? Who was the revelation given to and believers are commanded to follow?

If a man is not following the school of Muhammad, such a person is following the school of shaitan (laanatUllahi alal kafirin). The imams, each said if you find Muhammad's statement differing from mine, take that of the prophet, because if I had known it before I give mine, I would just have repeated what the beloved of Allah said!

Where are your manners, Emeka, No2Atheism, and gang for lying on Islam? 

So Abuzola is wrong by saying that there are variety of thought schools in Islam of which any intending muslim can choose from depending on the lifestyle he or she wants to lead?

@my candid brothers and sisters, i will advice you to ignore aloy emeka, the explanation has been made vividly yet he chose to pretend not knowing it.

Am out of here, i may respond to lagosboy if it calls to it, at the meantime am out of here

Abuzola  1:

@my candid brothers and sisters, i will advice you  to ignore aloy emeka, the explanation has been made vividly yet he chose to pretend not knowing it.

Am out of here, i may respond to lagosboy if it calls to it, at the meantime am out of here

How can I pretend when I don't know it?. The bible is against false pretense and am sure Olabowale's school of thought will also be against false pretense but I'm not sure whether you use it because your own school of thought allows it.

Aloy~Emeka: Why is it that you, have been pretending that Jesus is God, son of God, while you say pretense, yet Jesus says his Lord God is One Lord? Are you for real, man?

I don't pretend. Jesus is God and there is no pretense to it.

Lagosboy has said it all for whoever has a sense of reasoning, but let me attempt to explain in simpler terms.
Aloy is obviously quoting Abuzola out of context. The school of thought is basically based on matters of fiqh(Islamic jurisprudence), not on aqeedah(creed). No school of thought will tell you adultery is legal or that salat are not 5 or that Muhammad(PBUH) is not the last messenger or Jesus is not a prophet. They never and can never disagree on fundamental issues of faith. In fact, in those matters, the rule is simple and direct: What did Prophet say or do on the matter? Schools of thought do not differ on these key issues and in fact, we don't need any school of thought in such matters.

However, there are issues that need to be decided on but which are not directly mentioned in Qur'an or hadith. For example, issues like permissibility of sucking wife's b'reast etc. You can't find that directly in Qur'an but based on the understanding of these four highly reverred scholars, they give opinions on those issues, drawing from related issues during the prophetic era. A slight difference occurs in some of these opinions, but for majority of issues, they agree.

The summary, again, is that:
-No difference of opinion/ school of thought on issues directly relating to creed. Issues like number of times to pray, non-permissibility of prostitution, stealing, etc, finality of Prophet Muhammad's message, messengership of prophets.
-There are only four recognized schools of thought. Not just anybody can come and say this is this and this is that.

With this, plus explanations offered by Lagosboy, Olabowale and Abuzola himself, I think you should be clear now on what schools of thought is in Islam.

@alloy-emeka

the reson the muslims don't all agree with each other is cos they have neglected the quran, and are following invented traditions which differ greatly in their teachings.

Thk u jare Usisky no wonder Abuzola misbehaves evrytime.I now know he doesnt follow quranic doctrines,but follows d teachings of al qaeda

usisky:

@alloy-emeka

the reson the muslims don't all agree with each other is cos they have neglected the quran, and are following invented traditions which differ greatly in their teachings.

I wish they neglect the violent aspect of the quran totally. That's why I push for quranic review by the Islamic council.

aloy-emeka:

I wish they neglect the violent aspect of the quran totally. That's why I push for quranic review by the Islamic council.

Not possible d quran cant be reviewed.My advice to my fellow muslims is to avoid violence&terrorism

@POST :

The reason is because of Abrogating/Nasikh Quranic Verses and abrogated verses/ Mansookh Quranic verses.

Abuz©la:

Not possible d quran cant be reviewed.My advice to my fellow muslims is to avoid violence&terrorism

How can they do that when their book is telling them another?

Abuz©la:

Not possible d quran cant be reviewed.My advice to my fellow muslims is to avoid violence&terrorism

So you finally admit violence and terrorism is part and parcel of Islam.

t.truth:



So you finally admit violence and terrorism is part and parcel of Islam.

. . .and you think that was written by Abuzola?

aloy-emeka:

I wish they neglect the violent aspect of the quran totally. That's why I push for quranic review by the Islamic council.

like the Bible has been reviewed over and over till it the 'current stage' abi. Thanks but no thanks, we will stick to God' words as it is, accept it or leave it. The Quran has no violent content, it only depends on how you interpret it. If you continue to interpret it like you have 'misinterpreted' Abuzola, you continue arriving at the wrong conclusion.

the bible is gonna be reviewed till only God knows