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Re: Victims Of Ponzi Schemes Are Driven By Greed And Laziness by brojoshua: 3:42pm On Mar 04, 2017
They are all scammers themselves who got scammed by wiser scammer. It is the case of Satan scamming his demons. You know because Nigerians are pathologically corrupt, they will rather listen to false prophets, who will craftily take all that they have and become rich at the cost of their poverty using the weapon of preaching prosperity saying God will overbless them if they give plenty to them the false prophets, to politicians who will loot all their wealth and render their lives valueless and make them become their slaves and become slaves in own their land, wander banks that will pay them imaginable and huge interest on their deposits and investments, etc.
Re: Victims Of Ponzi Schemes Are Driven By Greed And Laziness by yom2(m): 3:05pm On Mar 05, 2017
jetroolowole:
In recent times, much have been said of Ponzi Scheme due to MMM Nigeria crashing in the face of economy recession. But truth be told, I don't feel sorry for victims of Ponzi scheme just as I won't feel sorry for someone who lost money to gamble or "Baba Ijebu." In my own opinion, those who falls victims of Ponzi scheme are driven by greed or laziness. Before I buttress that point, it is important to note that Ponzi scheme is not new as some people will want you to believe. The scheme is named after Charles Ponzi, who became notorious for using the technique in 1920.

Why Ponzi Scheme Victims Are Driven By Greed
Normally, as an investor, before you put your money into any business, you should do some research. Just head over to Google and type the phrase "Ponzi scheme". The Wikipedia definition is glaring and give a whole picture of what the scheme is all about. Except: "Ponzi scheme is a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a non-existent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors." It is referred to as "a classic Ponzi scheme built on treachery and lies".



Initially the promoter will pay out high returns to attract more investors, and to lure current investors into putting in additional money. Other investors begin to participate, leading to a cascade effect. The "return" to the initial investors is paid out of the investments of new entrants, rather than solely from profits.

Often the high returns encourage investors to leave their money in the scheme, with the result that the promoter does not have to pay out very much to investors; he simply has to send them statements showing how much they have earned. This maintains the deception that the scheme is an investment with high returns.

Ponzi schemes rely on new investors to pay existing investors which make them ultimately unreliable since it cannot continue attracting new investors forever in the required numbers and rates (numbers which actually escalate at exponential rates with every new level of recruitment). Even if the whole population gets recruited (impossible as some are unwilling and some will even actively resist it and convince others not to join, just as its impossible for everyone to join a political party and there is always an opposition), this shows there is a limit beyond which no further recruitment is possible or recruitment begins to slow down sharply enough to cripple the scheme's paying ability. Therefore the scheme is ultimately doomed to fail and it is only a matter of when, not if.

MMM Case Study
МММ was a Russian company that perpetrated one of the world's largest Ponzi schemes of all time, in the 1990s. By different estimates from 5 to 40 million people lost up to $10 billion. The exact figures are not known even to the founders. In 2011, MMM re-opened as "MMM Global" with up to 110 subsidiaries per country, it became widely popular in various African countries like South Africa, Nigeria, Zimbabwe and Kenya.

The Nigerian Deposit Insurance Corporation, NDIC, has said that an ‎estimated three million Nigerians lost N18 billion in the MavrodiMundial Movement, MMM, ponzi scheme.

Over three million Nigerians were participating in MMM (A.K.A. Mugu, Mowo wa, Ma lo) before December 2016 when organizers suspended payment to investors due to its system “experiencing heavy workload.”

By the time the scheme returned in January, few new investors joined and the millions waiting for their payments were left disappointed with majority never paid.

At the 38th Kaduna International Trade Fair on Thursday, Mr. Ibrahim noted that despite repeated warnings by the Central Bank of Nigeria, CBN, and other agencies like the anti-graft EFCC, Nigerians still patronized the ponzi scheme.

When you are presented with this type of facts and you still go ahead to invest your money, what would have been the drive if not greed?

Why Ponzi Scheme Victims Are Driven By Laziness
Ponzi Scheme like direct sales depends on the ability of members to recruit new investors. While direct sales involves some level of selling, ponzi scheme does not. The idea of just put in your money and 'no work is involved' is what attracted many lazy people to the scheme. If you present the direct sales business opportunity to most of these persons, they will not want to be part of it because it involve some level of hard work.

Direct selling is the marketing and selling of products directly to consumers away from a fixed retail location. ... Modern direct selling includes sales made through the party plan, one-on-one demonstrations, and other personal contact arrangements as well as internet sales. Direct selling consists of two main business models: single-level marketing, in which a direct seller makes money by buying products from a parent organization and selling them directly to customers, and multi-level marketing (also known as network marketing or person-to-person marketing), in which the direct seller may earn money from both direct sales to customers and by sponsoring new direct sellers and potentially earning a commission from their efforts.

I wrote an article Top 10 Factors to Choose a Great Network Marketing Opportunity in Nigeria before. One of the points I raised there to look out for is Does the network marketing company offer products or services that are unique? Ponzi scheme does not have any product to sell hence the scheme is bound to fail. History has taught us from time to time that any investment business that rely only on new investors to survive without products can not stand the test of time. But because many people are looking for the lazy root, they still fall victims of these schemes. That is why, many of the scheme members target their family and friends for recruitment.

Besides, in recent times, I have been receiving a lot of offers from Nigerians who want to design ponzi scheme sites. When I look at these individuals they don't have any direction or purpose, they just want to use the system to siphoned money. Of course my agency does not design any site intended for fraud purpose. So, most of the victims are driven by laziness.

Final Thought
I may be tempted to sympathize with those who are caught unaware due to lack of experience or trust in the referee but I don't feel sorry for the victims because they were driven by greed and laziness. Present them with opportunity they need to work on, they will back off. So, over to you, do you agree with me that Ponzi scheme victims are driven by greed and laziness?

jetroolowole:
In recent times, much have been said of Ponzi Scheme due to MMM Nigeria crashing in the face of economy recession. But truth be told, I don't feel sorry for victims of Ponzi scheme just as I won't feel sorry for someone who lost money to gamble or "Baba Ijebu." In my own opinion, those who falls victims of Ponzi scheme are driven by greed or laziness. Before I buttress that point, it is important to note that Ponzi scheme is not new as some people will want you to believe. The scheme is named after Charles Ponzi, who became notorious for using the technique in 1920.

Why Ponzi Scheme Victims Are Driven By Greed
Normally, as an investor, before you put your money into any business, you should do some research. Just head over to Google and type the phrase "Ponzi scheme". The Wikipedia definition is glaring and give a whole picture of what the scheme is all about. Except: "Ponzi scheme is a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a non-existent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors." It is referred to as "a classic Ponzi scheme built on treachery and lies".



Initially the promoter will pay out high returns to attract more investors, and to lure current investors into putting in additional money. Other investors begin to participate, leading to a cascade effect. The "return" to the initial investors is paid out of the investments of new entrants, rather than solely from profits.

Often the high returns encourage investors to leave their money in the scheme, with the result that the promoter does not have to pay out very much to investors; he simply has to send them statements showing how much they have earned. This maintains the deception that the scheme is an investment with high returns.

Ponzi schemes rely on new investors to pay existing investors which make them ultimately unreliable since it cannot continue attracting new investors forever in the required numbers and rates (numbers which actually escalate at exponential rates with every new level of recruitment). Even if the whole population gets recruited (impossible as some are unwilling and some will even actively resist it and convince others not to join, just as its impossible for everyone to join a political party and there is always an opposition), this shows there is a limit beyond which no further recruitment is possible or recruitment begins to slow down sharply enough to cripple the scheme's paying ability. Therefore the scheme is ultimately doomed to fail and it is only a matter of when, not if.

MMM Case Study
МММ was a Russian company that perpetrated one of the world's largest Ponzi schemes of all time, in the 1990s. By different estimates from 5 to 40 million people lost up to $10 billion. The exact figures are not known even to the founders. In 2011, MMM re-opened as "MMM Global" with up to 110 subsidiaries per country, it became widely popular in various African countries like South Africa, Nigeria, Zimbabwe and Kenya.

The Nigerian Deposit Insurance Corporation, NDIC, has said that an ‎estimated three million Nigerians lost N18 billion in the MavrodiMundial Movement, MMM, ponzi scheme.

Over three million Nigerians were participating in MMM (A.K.A. Mugu, Mowo wa, Ma lo) before December 2016 when organizers suspended payment to investors due to its system “experiencing heavy workload.”

By the time the scheme returned in January, few new investors joined and the millions waiting for their payments were left disappointed with majority never paid.

At the 38th Kaduna International Trade Fair on Thursday, Mr. Ibrahim noted that despite repeated warnings by the Central Bank of Nigeria, CBN, and other agencies like the anti-graft EFCC, Nigerians still patronized the ponzi scheme.

When you are presented with this type of facts and you still go ahead to invest your money, what would have been the drive if not greed?

Why Ponzi Scheme Victims Are Driven By Laziness
Ponzi Scheme like direct sales depends on the ability of members to recruit new investors. While direct sales involves some level of selling, ponzi scheme does not. The idea of just put in your money and 'no work is involved' is what attracted many lazy people to the scheme. If you present the direct sales business opportunity to most of these persons, they will not want to be part of it because it involve some level of hard work.

Direct selling is the marketing and selling of products directly to consumers away from a fixed retail location. ... Modern direct selling includes sales made through the party plan, one-on-one demonstrations, and other personal contact arrangements as well as internet sales. Direct selling consists of two main business models: single-level marketing, in which a direct seller makes money by buying products from a parent organization and selling them directly to customers, and multi-level marketing (also known as network marketing or person-to-person marketing), in which the direct seller may earn money from both direct sales to customers and by sponsoring new direct sellers and potentially earning a commission from their efforts.

I wrote an article Top 10 Factors to Choose a Great Network Marketing Opportunity in Nigeria before. One of the points I raised there to look out for is Does the network marketing company offer products or services that are unique? Ponzi scheme does not have any product to sell hence the scheme is bound to fail. History has taught us from time to time that any investment business that rely only on new investors to survive without products can not stand the test of time. But because many people are looking for the lazy root, they still fall victims of these schemes. That is why, many of the scheme members target their family and friends for recruitment.

Besides, in recent times, I have been receiving a lot of offers from Nigerians who want to design ponzi scheme sites. When I look at these individuals they don't have any direction or purpose, they just want to use the system to siphoned money. Of course my agency does not design any site intended for fraud purpose. So, most of the victims are driven by laziness.

Final Thought
I may be tempted to sympathize with those who are caught unaware due to lack of experience or trust in the referee but I don't feel sorry for the victims because they were driven by greed and laziness. Present them with opportunity they need to work on, they will back off. So, over to you, do you agree with me that Ponzi scheme victims are driven by greed and laziness?

ur assertions are only half truth. There is a saying dat when d desired is not available d available may become acceptable. There are some hardworking chaps out there who do 9 to 9 in most cases under an opressive boss, who can hardly make ends meet with thier peanut salary amidst terifying inflation, whom doesnt have d time or access to a loan facility by a bank in nigeria , dis is d only option they have. U can never preach jack to them because u dnt share in their headache.. The other legite investment vehicle u could think of for an ordinary person is not ecouraging. Is it d banks? Or stocks? Having said all dis, that is not to say that am in suport or believe in d indiscriminate proliferation of ponzi schemes which lately has become an all comers affair. Crowd funding is not bad. Even in in some offices group of workers gather to do ajo.
Re: Victims Of Ponzi Schemes Are Driven By Greed And Laziness by ElDadd: 3:35pm On Mar 05, 2017
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Re: Victims Of Ponzi Schemes Are Driven By Greed And Laziness by MATEX30: 2:34am On Mar 07, 2017
It seems, there is an iota of truth in this article, it was really greediness and not a good source of anything, its a pity, mmm milked people's money and ran away with it - http://dunamisblog.com/victims-of-mmm-and-other-ponzi-schemes-are-driven-by-greed-and-laziness/
Re: Victims Of Ponzi Schemes Are Driven By Greed And Laziness by jetroolowole(m): 6:05pm On Mar 08, 2017
Wow! Since I created this thread I can now comment. My account was 1 day old when I created this thread and I posted it in Job/Vacancies. But the admin moved it to Investment and hit it to first page. Unfortunately I cannot comment in investment forum so I am unable to reply all the query and question directed at me. Now that I am on, I will reply one after the other. Thanks for keeping this thread alive.
Re: Victims Of Ponzi Schemes Are Driven By Greed And Laziness by jetroolowole(m): 6:09pm On Mar 08, 2017
brojoshua:
They are all scammers themselves who got scammed by wiser scammer. It is the case of Satan scamming his demons. You know because Nigerians are pathologically corrupt, they will rather listen to false prophets, who will craftily take all that they have and become rich at the cost of their poverty using the weapon of preaching prosperity saying God will overbless them if they give plenty to them the false prophets, to politicians who will loot all their wealth and render their lives valueless and make them become their slaves and become slaves in own their land, wander banks that will pay them imaginable and huge interest on their deposits and investments, etc.
You are very correct.
Re: Victims Of Ponzi Schemes Are Driven By Greed And Laziness by jetroolowole(m): 6:12pm On Mar 08, 2017
yom2:
ur assertions are only half truth. There is a saying dat when d desired is not available d available may become acceptable. There are some hardworking chaps out there who do 9 to 9 in most cases under an opressive boss, who can hardly make ends meet with thier peanut salary amidst terifying inflation, whom doesnt have d time or access to a loan facility by a bank in nigeria , dis is d only option they have. U can never preach jack to them because u dnt share in their headache.. The other legite investment vehicle u could think of for an ordinary person is not ecouraging. Is it d banks? Or stocks? Having said all dis, that is not to say that am in suport or believe in d indiscriminate proliferation of ponzi schemes which lately has become an all comers affair. Crowd funding is not bad. Even in in some offices group of workers gather to do ajo.
My point is the business model is not sustainable and it's just a matter of time before it collapses. SO you have made money, at whom expense? Can you walk on these persons and introduce them to a business opportunity later. Successful people think first about the interest of others.
Re: Victims Of Ponzi Schemes Are Driven By Greed And Laziness by jetroolowole(m): 6:13pm On Mar 08, 2017
I will leave reply to comment on page 1 till tomorrow as I am busy now.

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