Tudór:

In other words human laws are well able to dispense justice hence we do not need that of christ. . .thank you.Hmmm

I am sure tudor is educated

. . .why was a 'dead' moses shining his 'dead' face during the transfiguration with christ on the mount?

He did not descend from heaven . . .did he? go read ur bible if u have one.

noetic15:

I am sure tudor is educated 

Well, yea

He did not descend from heaven . . .did he? go read your bible if u have one.

Pray tell where he came from, hell? Cmon, you're the expert here.

noetic15:

I am sure tudor is educated 

Well, yea

He did not descend from heaven . . .did he? go read your bible if u have one.

Pray tell where he came from, hell? Cmon, you're the expert here.

if God has selected option A, why does he promise a better world in option C? if evil was in his ultimate design and plan, why does he get worked up when people sin? why are there obstacles like logic?? didn't he make manna fall from the sky? was that logical? the freewill argument is a stupid, lazy lie to defend a destructive malicious and contradictory religion.
@ aletheia, your imaginary friend is a wicked, cruel and callous being.he has the ability to stop evil but chilling, while he throws people in the hottest oven of all times. the good prescribed by your friend includes the ganging up of the catholic church and the Nazis, to perpetuate the holocaust, all those mass extermination in the bible directed by friend, slavery. religion is one of the roots of evil.

jagunlabi:

Yes, i am genuinely seeking answers and i have read that book and the first three verses and the answers are not there.I was hoping you might provide them since you are the one making the claims.

aletheia:

If you genuinely seek answers to those questions, you will find them here: THE BIBLE.
Make sure to read the first three chapters.

You need to read further than the first three verses. The answers may not be to your liking though.

Kay 17:

@ aletheia, your imaginary friend is a wicked, cruel and callous being.he has the ability to stop evil but chilling, while he throws people in the hottest oven of all times. the good prescribed by your friend includes the ganging up of the catholic church and the Nazis, to perpetuate the holocaust, all those mass extermination in the bible directed by friend, slavery. religion is one of the roots of evil.

If He's imaginary; why do you get so worked up about him. Bet you don't sleep well, some nights, when the thought occurs to you: "What if I am wrong, and God truly exists".
As for your questions: The bible has ALL the answers. See here;
Isa 40:28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary; his understanding is unsearchable.
Isa 55:6-9 "Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

You rail against the atrocities and sins of others when God says you are as guilty as Hitler and all the rest.

aletheia:

If He's imaginary; why do you get so worked up about him. Bet you don't sleep well, some nights, when the thought occurs to you: "What if I am wrong, and God truly exists".
As for your questions: The bible has ALL the answers. See here;
Isa 40:28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary; his understanding is unsearchable.
Isa 55:6-9 "Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

You rail against the atrocities and sins of others when God says you are as guilty as Hitler and all the rest.

so you reduce the gravity of Hitler atrocities to my sins?? you really follow the way of your friend!

Well since we are here and on the subject already, why don't you tell me?

aletheia:

You need to read further than the first three verses. The answers may not be to your liking though.

Kay 17:

so you reduce the gravity of Hitler atrocities to my sins?? you really follow the way of your friend!

Again the bible answers you Kay 17:
Rom 3: 23: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (That includes Hitler, You & I)
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the[b] free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord[/b].
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

You will do well to give heed to its words.

Epicurus argument is logically valid form modus tollens (denying the consequent). In this case, P is "God exists" and Q is "there is no evil in the world

1. God exists.

2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.

3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.

4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.

5. An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into
existence.

6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who
wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.

8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).

Again the bible answers you Kay 17:
Rom 3: 23: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (That includes Hitler, You & I)
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

You will do well to give heed to its words.

This is what makes me say religion hardens hearts and enslaves mind. No one in his right mind would try to defend Hilter's atrocities by some bogus argument about man having free will and having sinned against god in the garden Eden.

Atheists:

Epicurus argument is logically valid form modus tollens (denying the consequent). In this case, P is "God exists" and Q is "there is no evil in the world

1. God exists.

True.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Atheists:

2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.

True.
1Jn 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

Atheists:

3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.

True.
Psa 45:6-7 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.

Atheists:

4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.

5. An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into
existence.

True.
Gen 3:22 Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--

Atheists:

6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who
wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

False. Your reasoning. He does not have to do your bidding.
Isa 55:8-9 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your

Atheists:

7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.

The problem for you is that a being like you who is not omnipotent, not omniscient, not perfect, not good, can have no idea or conception whatsoever of how an omnipotent, omniscient and perfectly good being will handle the problem of evil.
Psa 50:21 These things you have done, and I kept silent; You thought that I was altogether like you; But I will rebuke you, And set them in order before your eyes.

Atheists:

8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).

Of course it does, and you are as responsible for its existence as the next man.
Ecc 8:11 Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

But ---
Pro 9:8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you;

Atheists:


This is what makes me say religion hardens hearts and enslaves mind. No one in his right mind would try to defend Hilter's atrocities by some bogus argument about man having free will and having sinned against god in the garden Eden.

If you deny the existence of God; why are you bothered by Hitler's atrocities? To you it doesn't matter one wit.
Sin hardens your heart not religion. Nobody's defending Hitler. You are as guilty of sin as Hitler.

[b]Rom 2:1-12 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who "will render to each one according to his deeds": eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
[/b]

aletheia:

If you deny the existence of God; why are you bothered by Hitler's atrocities? To you it doesn't matter one wit.
Sin hardens your heart not religion. Nobody's defending Hitler. You are as guilty of sin as Hitler.

[b]Rom 2:1-12 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who "will render to each one according to his deeds": eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
[/b]

aletheia is just here again with his bible quotes and lengthy tirades. Your arguments make no much sense, and when you quote from this book to make your stand, your act contravenes arguing from first principles. Why don't you quote from the Koran then? Please and come ON! act sensibly.

I would believe the chrisitian god evidently doesn't exist, as he contradicts his own existence. The christians keep using the idea of original sin or sin at all to justify evil in the world; and they act like no man can truly live without contravening the ten commandments when in fact many do and have. The problem then goes the length of grouping all "sins" (including those of hitler(ean) magnitude or stalin(ist) magnitude or that of a common man on the street) into one same thing: "sin". Makes me really wonder how come this god is one of equality . Even man with his courts doesn't make such silly mistakes.

God as described to us evidently doesn't exist. This can confidently make us rule out all other forms of god. Note: when we don't think about them, they don't exist and we don't have to worship them. Now, every comment from here on should be sensible, please!!!!

aletheia:

If you deny the existence of God; why are you bothered by Hitler's atrocities? To you it doesn't matter one wit.
Sin hardens your heart not religion. Nobody's defending Hitler. You are as guilty of sin as Hitler.

WHy shouldn't one? One should be bothered not only about HIlter's evil or any evil of any sort, but also should be greater bothered about what essentially drives people to such evil. Religion is defintely one of these, as was the case with the christian crusades and the christian George Bush's religious foreign policy (iraq war). The atheist plea is that we all abandon all these crazy delusions and look to moving the world towards a more rational path, where we will stop seeing imaginary angels and hallucinating about heavenly gods.

Word!

i understand why aletheia is backing and justifying Hitler's actions. the catholic church teamed up with the Nazis to exterminate the prosecutors of Jesus Christ. religion is a disaster!

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davidylan: One of the problems i have with Epicurus's quote and atheism in general is the one-sidedness of their alleged "arguments".

when all is fine and dandy God is nowhere near the discussion . . . when it comes to evil all of a sudden its God's fault?

When we talk of the immaculately designed earth . . . its all about "nature". When tornadoes strike then Epicurus and his equally stupid fans cry about where God was hiding his face?

Can any argument be more flawed than this? If Epicurus wants us to blame God for natural disasters or cancer, can he at least be sensible enough to credit God for creating a sun to warm us all?

You mean the sun whose cosmic rays cause cancer of the skin Oh guy, your god deserves no recognition.

One of the problems i have with Epicurus's quote and atheism in general is the one-sidedness of their alleged "arguments".

when all is fine and dandy God is nowhere near the discussion . . . when it comes to evil all of a sudden its God's fault?

When we talk of the immaculately designed earth . . . its all about "nature". When tornadoes strike then Epicurus and his equally stupid fans cry about where God was hiding his face?

Can any argument be more flawed than this? If Epicurus wants us to blame God for natural disasters or cancer, can he at least be sensible enough to credit God for creating a sun to warm us all?

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