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How Quran Errors Are Explained Away by plainbibletruth: 11:27pm On Mar 13, 2017
How Quran Errors Are Explained Away - Dr. Zakir Naik Style

The quran’s errors include factual errors, moral errors and theological errors.

When taken up with muslims such as Zakir Naik a problem passage with one of these errors is usually approached by their coming with -
The “marvel” of “smart” interpretation

They say something like “Yes, you find that said there, BUT what it REALLY MEANT is bla, bla, bla, “

Why didn’t a book that is meant to be CLEAR plainly state what Allah meant?

Unfortunately, most of the time, for such “smart” interpreters their prophet Mohamed blocks their reinterpretation. When the hadith and muslim commentaries are consulted we see how Mohamed and his companions TOTALLY contradict such reinterpretation.

A case in point – an example:
Sura 18:83-86 claims the sun sets in a spring or pool of muddy water. In his attempt to ‘explain’ this problem passage that says the sun (which is 1.3 million times bigger than the earth) sets in a pool of water, Zakir Naik comes up with his “ingenious” reinterpretation to “clarify” what Allah REALLY means. He says what the passage really says is that Alexander the Great – Dhul Qarnayn in the quran passage – reached an unspecified place ‘at the time of sunset’. Not that it was the sun that set in a place – the pool. It was ‘at the time of sunset the quran wanted to tell us.
Now, that would appear to be more logical, wouldn’t it?
Looks brilliant?
Problem solved?
Not quite!

What we see is that in order to explain the ”SUN GOING INTO THE SPRING OF WATER” brilliant Dr. Naik comes up with this his “smart” interpretation (actually reinterpretation) which is that – “it means it appears to Alexander the Great……… So Allah was really saying what Alexander the Great thought he saw” and not making a claim about WHERE the sun sets.
Looks brilliant? Yes?
No! Because Mohamed blocks Dr. Naik’s reinterpretation.

Let’s see where and how:
By turning to hadith.
In Sunan Abu Dawud 3991 we find this:
Abu Dhar said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

We can immediately see then that there is absolutely no room for the kind of reinterpretation of what the quran said.
So the PERFECTLY CLEAR quran tells us that the sun sets in a pool of water.

It turns out then that Dr. Zakir Naik in a bid to defend his religion has ended up insulting his prophet and Allah because he claims to speak more clearly than his god and a better interpreter than his prophet

It is a CLEAR FACT that the sun does not set in a pool of water.
Can a book – the quran – which says this and by so doing clearly propagating error be trusted?
Those who join and follow Dr. Zakir Naik’s reinterpretation end up in blasphemy of their prophet and god. By so doing can they be assured of Paradise or end up in hell for blasphemy?

Way Out!
Follow the only unique and supernatural One – Jesus Christ who said:
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (Jn. 14:6).
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:3)
“He who believes in the Son (as Saviour) has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” (Jn. 3:36).


PS:
Answering shawl
For a book that is said to be CLEAR, when it takes a lot of rigmarole to arrive at the meaning of words, phases and sentences or even passages then it's either the book is not as clear as it says it is or set itself up to be interpreted incorrectly from the beginning.

What do you think?

Secondly, how come even though muslims would tell the world they believe the hadith, they have been unable to agree on which ones to collectively use and so make it easy for any muslim apologist to refuse to accept reference to any of them used?

When the quran is quoted muslim apologists run to the hadith. When the hadith is quoted they put up disclaimers. If this is not deception and confusion I wonder what it is.

Now again to the passage in question:
"he FOUND it setting in a miry spring, or spring of dark mud" cannot be interpreted other than that HE FOUND THE SUN SETTING IN A ...... It did not say "he SAW AN IMAGE of the sun. It says he FOUND THE SUN.

Look at the entire portion: "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people"

Your argument may have appeared to be believable except for the fact that you forgot to add the concluding portion to your argument.
Note what the last portion says " ..........and he found near it a people" He found a people where?
Note that it started with: " Until, when he reached the setting of the sun......" He REACHED where?
Now, how do you reconcile this with the rest of your explanation?

You'll see then that your "explanations" do not hold water just as the pool of mukky water cannot in any wise be said to hold the sun or be the place where the sun sets.
Re: How Quran Errors Are Explained Away by Nobody: 11:34pm On Mar 13, 2017
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Re: How Quran Errors Are Explained Away by ijobaooorun(m): 11:44pm On Mar 13, 2017
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Re: How Quran Errors Are Explained Away by shawl: 10:20am On Mar 14, 2017
The holy Qur'an is a book of deep insight. If you follow it superficially, you are very likely to deceive yourself while thinking that you are in the right.

To start with, type "setting of sun in arabic" on google. What do you find?

"wade shams"

Is that what was used in the holy Qur'an?

"No"

Now type "setting of the sun in arabic" on google. What do you find?

"garabu shams"

Is that what was used in the holy Qur'an?

"Yes"

What is the difference between the two?

In order to answer that, first type "west in arabic" on google:

Answer: "gharb"

Therefore, the former describes the action of the setting of the sun while the latter describes the place or direction where the sun sets. 'Direction' here is more appropriate since the verse, holy Qur'an 18:86, up to that point was talking about the movement of 'Dhul Qarnayn'. So 'Dhul Qarnayn' was moving 'west' which is the direction where the sun sets as confirmed from google above.

Now further down the verse, it is mentioned, and this is where it becomes interesting, "he FOUND it setting in a miry spring, or spring of dark mud".

The holy Qur'an in its eternal wisdom captured the vision of the looker at that point in time with the capitalized: FOUND.

How else do you describe the vision of someone who had travelled to a point that he reached the far limit towards the West beyond which there was no further populated area at the time of sunset probably at the outset of a sea or an ocean?.


The quoted hadith

The hadith cannot be used as a solid evidence in this matter because the hadith has been declared "anomalous" and "unreliable" in the face of glaring evidences.

Please check out the link below to see full discussion on the hadith, you will understand why.

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/09/weak-hadith-sun-spring-warm-water.html

The logic pursued

The logic you were pursuing would have made alot more sense if surprisingly we found from your bible that the "sun only appears to set in a muddy spring" to an observer looking at the sea at sunset. All the verses you quoted from your book are not relevant to the logic you were building up. And as far as I know, there is no where in your bible where the direction of movement of the sun (east to west) is mentioned. Mind you that is less than the holy Qur'an has provided. So what is your point really?

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Re: How Quran Errors Are Explained Away by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:22am On Mar 15, 2017
ALHAMDULILLAH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IF HE UNDERSTANDS ARABIC GRAMMAR AS USED IN THAT PASSAGE!
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KEEP LOOKING FOR THE ERRORS IN THE QUR'AN!
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John 1:1, John 10:30, John 14:28 and John 17:3

Which of the statements below is correct ⤵ ⤵ ⤵

In John 1:1 as you said, John said Jesus is God.

In John 10:30, John reported Jesus to have said he and God are one!

In John 14:28, John reported Jesus to have said God is greater than him.

In John 17:3, John reported Jesus to have said "And this is the way to have eternal life - to know You, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, the one You sent to earth."

ALL of the above are writings from John. Which of them is right and which is not?

���� Was Jesus God?
���� Was Jesus equal with God?
���� Was God greater than Jesus?
���� Is God the ONLY TRUE GOD and the one who SENT Jesus to earth?

Have a great day and peace be unto you

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