Newnas:


Shun bidah and stick to the sunnah as understood by the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum and those who follow them in goodness.

oh I see. Same anthem you want me to sing. Okay

Now it is sunnah of the nabi((saw) to marry a woman 25yrs older than you. Why have you not done so? Why did you marry your mate or junior?.


# it is sunnah of nabi (saw ) to keep your eyes open while you are asleep. But why did you close your eyes?. Don't you know it is bida for marrying lady even a day younger than you. It is also bida to close your eyes when you sleep. Why aren't you practing this sunnah brother newnas?

Newnas:


Shun bidah and stick to the sunnah as understood by the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum and those who follow them in goodness.

and since you want to follow sunnnah and sahaba, why don't you spend gold-dinar and silver-durham?. Why are you spending paper money today? . Sahaba and those who followed them in goodness did not use paper money.

Money is not wordly matter in case you want to switch your mouth. Money and its importance and consequences of abandoning sunnah money aka dinar Durham are mentioned in kitab and sunnah. Why did your scholars abandon sunnah money for bogus artificial fictitious paper money? . Are you sure you are truly upon sunnah?

Empiree:
and since you want to follow sunnnah and sahaba, why don't you spend gold-dinar and silver-durham?. Why are you spending paper money today? . Sahaba and those who followed them in goodness did not use paper money.

Money is not wordly matter in case you want to switch your mouth. Money and its importance and consequences of abandoning sunnah money aka dinar Durham are mentioned in kitab and sunnah. Why did your scholars abandon sunnah money for bogus artificial fictitious paper money? . Are you sure you are truly upon sunnah?

Such a flimsy excuse for your deviant methodologies.

Sahabah and those who followed them in goodness didn't define sunnah as you have. You have no righteous predecessor for this claim of yours, it's an innovated methodology.

The companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum travelled the lands during the time of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam, such as Muadh bn Jabal that was sent to Yemen and many of them that traveled to Syria, modern Palestine other territories for business and dawah, and they conquered cities which didn't spend Dirham and Dinar as there currencies, if spending Dirham and dinar were acts of worship the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam would have directed them not to spend other than Dirham and dinar.

Empiree:
oh I see. Same anthem you want me to sing. Okay

Now it is sunnah of the nabi((saw) to marry a woman 25yrs older than you. Why have you not done so? Why did you marry your mate or junior?.


# it is sunnah of nabi (saw ) to keep your eyes open while you are asleep. But why did you close your eyes?. Don't you know it is bida for marrying lady even a day younger than you. It is also bida to close your eyes when you sleep. Why aren't you practing this sunnah brother newnas?

As for your first claim, the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam married a woman older than him so also did he marry women younger than him such as Aishah which makes both permissible.

And the prophet married his daughter Fatima to Ali who was older than her which shows its permissibility. So also did he marry two of his daughters to Uthman who was no doubt old enough to be their father. Which shows its permissibility.

The he even said in his statement that we should marry young virgins. So there's no claim for you in it.

Any just person who looks into the available evidences on this issue will see that marrying younger women is the sunnah but one may marry older ones if a greater good is expected.

As for your second claim, the messenger never slept eyes open, he slept eyes closed and heart awake as has been reported in authentic narrations. This is a specific attribute to him alyhissolaat wassalaam over other people and a sign of his prophethood. So no one can emulate it even if one wished. Allah has not enjoined upon us what is impossible for us to do.

^^ my brother newnas you shouldn't be surprised with his funny methodologies, sufis always have hypocrisy in them, they make use of proofs for the wrong matter....

Newnas:


Such a flimsy excuse for your deviant methodologies.

Sahabah and those who followed them in goodness didn't define sunnah as you have. You have no righteous predecessor for this claim of yours, it's an innovated methodology.

The companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum travelled the lands during the time of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam, such as Muadh bn Jabal that was sent to Yemen and many of them that traveled to Syria, modern Palestine other territories for business and dawah, and they conquered cities which didn't spend Dirham and Dinar as there currencies, if spending Dirham and dinar were acts of worship the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam would have directed them not to spend other than Dirham and dinar.

Story. Can you tell us what currency they spent in foreign lands? Can you? Also, dont tell me about my methodology. Ask one of your bearded ustaz. cant remember his name but i watched his lecture a while back talking about not kneeling to greet parents. In his lecture he said, anything, note ANYTHING that is recorded in "tira" is no longer a mere history. It is to be followed. It becomes sunnah. So using his method i ask you again, why are you spending paper money since dinar and durham are recorded in tira?. By tira he meant Quran, hadith and islamic books.

Honestly i dont blame you. Since Sheikh Uthaimeen, bin baz, albany and others have no answer to this quesion, you as well should not have one. So sad. Why do you think world is messed up today?. What do you think is the cause of poverty today where rich ppl are permanently rich and poor are permanently poor?. Why do you think Quran and Hadith emphasized prohibition of riba? becus they knew a time would come (our time) when it will be difficult to not deal in riba. This was not possible with sunnah money. Sorry, you really cant lecture me on sunnah money.

You are saying sahab did not understandd it that way, if so kindly tell us money they spent in other land they traded? Is it cash paper money or electronic plastic you are using now?. Get well soon.

Newnas:


As for your first claim, the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam married a woman older than him so also did he marry women younger than him such as Aishah which makes both permissible.

And the prophet married his daughter Fatima to Ali who was older than her which shows its permissibility. So also did he marry two of his daughters to Uthman who was no doubt old enough to be their father. Which shows its permissibility.

The he even said in his statement that we should marry young virgins. So there's no claim for you in it.

Any just person who looks into the available evidences on this issue will see that marrying younger women is the sunnah but one may marry older ones if a greater good is expected.

As for your second claim, the messenger never slept eyes open, he slept eyes closed and heart awake as has been reported in authentic narrations. This is a specific attribute to him alyhissolaat wassalaam over other people and a sign of his prophethood. So no one can emulate it even if one wished. Allah has not enjoined upon us what is impossible for us to do.

Actually i was expecting "specific attritube" to him. Thats common term used by your like. Anyways, stop calling ppl alhubida. It is nonesense trash ur scholars especially albany who himself commited bidah by given new definition of muslim. So get over that nonsense.

If you live for long or permanently in Saudi, you would notice they have their own practices. But since you are not there you cant possibly tell. So now, tell me EXACTLY at least 3 things that i do that you consider bida?. I am listening. And yes, ur right about closing yes. That was misconception on my part. Happy bidah shopping

Bid'ia empire! Na wa o!

Rashduct4luv:
Bid'ia empire! Na wa o!

Excuse me?. Who instructs you silly people to go out and call people names?. Please desist from calling me by that. Just stop. Is this what your shuyuk teach you by calling muslims names if they differ with you?. How much riyads you got paid?. I know the self proclaimed salafis were paid money to propagate trash in nigeria. I heard their voices one by one before Saudi autority and they are lying about other sect just to get money.

I got one bida shiek for you and his name is Shiekh Albany. When he was asked about calling ourselves (salafis) by muslims? He said "No, you should say we are muslim upon sunna and following understanding of salaf." This indicates that anyone who differs with them is not considered muslim. So tell me where in kitab and sunnah is the definition of muslim came from?. What i see in the Quran is muslim. Anyone who follows Quran, nabi, sahab is a muslim. So where did your sheikh got his definition from?.

And you all forget that condeming practices that are allowed in Islam or tag them bida is bida itself.

chynie:

No I don't sound stupid, is a question I know is in the mind of many.
I would love to understand the religion better cos I have good friends there, who are exactly opposite all the bad things ppl link the religion to.
But I prefer to read it and study privately, just like I do the bible, but the language is a constraint(big one)
If It can be translated and not edited that will help a lot, cos hope u know a word in the qurah, can mean a lot when a layman translates it to English.

Chyni has a point, I pray Allah guides you to the straight path.

Empiree:
Actually i was expecting "specific attritube" to him. Thats common term used by your like. Anyways, stop calling ppl alhubida. It is nonesense trash ur scholars especially albany who himself commited bidah by given new definition of muslim. So get over that nonsense.

If you live for long or permanently in Saudi, you would notice they have their own practices. But since you are not there you cant possibly tell. So now, tell me EXACTLY at least 3 things that i do that you consider bida?. I am listening. And yes, ur right about closing yes. That was misconception on my part. Happy bidah shopping

You raised a flimsy but highly misleading excuse for your innovation, I clarified it. you didn't submit
and didn't try to explain further the weakness in my point instead you brought up some other flimsy but highly misleading claim.

This shows that you acknowledged the error in your claims after seeing pepper clarification for your doubts and misguidances. instead of submitting you only try to run from one weak wall of defense to another just like your shia cohort AlBaqir does.

Newnas:


You raised a flimsy but highly misleading excuse for your innovation, I clarified it. you didn't submit
and didn't try to explain further the weakness in my point instead you brought up some other flimsy but highly misleading claim.

This shows that you acknowledged the error in your claims after seeing pepper clarification for your doubts and misguidances. instead of submitting you only try to run from one weak wall of defense to another just like your shia cohort AlBaqir does.

the issue of money stands. It's up to you to tell us which money the people that sahaba traded with used. Nabi (saw) clearly said dinar, durham. This is original money. I admmited bringing up issue of women as evidence but I was wrong.

Your problem is, you all too suspicious someone is upon bida if he or she's ideology leans towards certain sect or madhab. Your wrong. Majority in Africa are sufis but they never called themselves by that until recent years. Myself heard of the name first time in 2010. The name is not important but essence is.

AbdelKabir:
^^ my brother newnas you shouldn't be surprised with his funny methodologies, sufis always have hypocrisy in them, they make use of proofs for the wrong matter....

now I know who Empiree is "a great hypocrite" you said it bfore but now have confirmed it.

and mind you empiree don't quote me .

AbdelKabir:
^^ my brother newnas you shouldn't be surprised with his funny methodologies, sufis always have hypocrisy in them, they make use of proofs for the wrong matter....

Exactly,

He will always find an excuse for innovating, innovations and innovators but will always find an excuse against the sunnah and its people.

Empiree:
the issue of money stands. Up to toy to tell us which money the Pele that sahaba traded with used. Nabi (saw) clearly said dinar, durham. This is original money. I admmited bringing up issue of women as evidence but I was wrong. So now tell me my bida? .

Your problem is, you all assume too much someone is upon bida if he or she's ideology leans towards certain sect or madhab. Your wrong. Majority in Africa are sufi but they never called themselves by that until recent years. Myself heard of the name first time in 2010. The name is not important but essence.

@bolded
Thia is one of the biggest lies I've read today.

lemme remind you of your statement on this forum in your biography of Sheikh Adam Ilory.

https://www.nairaland.com/2042359/shaykh-adam-abdullah-al-ilory

“My father was a Qaadiriyya Sufi. I started learning the Qur’aan from him. I also started Ilimee (Islamic Sciences) with him, after which I studied under the tutelage of Alfa Esin who was a Tijaaniyah. I learnt with Alfa Umar (Imam of Agbaji, Ilorin) who was a Tijaaniyah.

You see, how Sheikh Adam (an early Sufi scholars in Yorubaland) used the term.

Also, the sheikh wrote a book on sufiyyah: he tried to analyse the history, goals and authenticity of the sect. I can't remember the name of the book but I'm sure he used the word Sufi many times.

Newnas:


@bolded
Thia is one of the biggest lies I've read today.

lemme remind you of your statement on this forum in your biography of Sheikh Adam Ilory.

https://www.nairaland.com/2042359/shaykh-adam-abdullah-al-ilory

“My father was a Qaadiriyya Sufi. I started learning the Qur’aan from him. I also started Ilimee (Islamic Sciences) with him, after which I studied under the tutelage of Alfa Esin who was a Tijaaniyah. I learnt with Alfa Umar (Imam of Agbaji, Ilorin) who was a Tijaaniyah.

You see, how Sheikh Adam (an early Sufi scholars in Yorubaland) used the term.

Also, the sheikh wrote a book on sufiyyah: he tried to analyse the history, goals and authenticity of the sect. I can't remember the name of the book but I'm sure he used the word Sufi many times.

I was confused at first trying to figure out what you tried to derive from the his quote. Well, largely, including yourself before you adopted salafism, you did not hear of the most likely. We never used it in my family. The least i heard from dad back then was "wiridi". He would say "awon oni wiridi" to indicate turban alfas. But i didnt even know what he meant by wiridi back then. It seems to be Yoruba name for tasawwuf. Well what i meant is the word "sufi" was that it was not really used as it is used today by every Tom, Dick and Harry. Those 20th century sufis were sincere. They put Allah first and were very patient contrary to many today

Empiree:
I was confused at first trying to figure out what you tried to derive from the his quote. Well, largely, including yourself before you adopted salafism, you did not hear of the most likely. We never used it in my family. The least i heard from dad back then was "wiridi". He would say "awon oni wiridi" to indicate turban alfas. But i didnt even know what he meant by wiridi back then. It seems to be Yoruba name for tasawwuf. Well what i meant is the word "sufi" was that it was not really used as it is used today by every Tom, Dick and Harry. Those 20th century sufis were sincere. They put Allah first and were very patient contrary to many today

Firstly, the fact that you were ignorant of the term is of little or no significance. The term had been in use for years, even Imam Jalaludin suyootee gave it a chapter in his "nuqooyah* and his explanation of his nuqooyah called "itmaam diraayah".


Secondly, the Sufis from the inception were aware and conscious of the fact that they practiced a type of Islam and they were a sect. The scholars always tried to call them to order but they always refused claiming that the people of knowledge are only finding excuses for their laziness. Just like many deviants today regard the people of knowledge to be weaklings who forbid terrorism because of their laziness and cowardice.

When the fitnah (killings and unrest) in the ummah became very hot, some people out of the fear of falling into it secluded themselves from the people and went into asylum, they decided to wear nothing but "soof" a kind of woolen non flamboyant material.

They decided to continue worship in seclusion till they reached the peak of piety.
But Shaitan laid ambush for them, he made them disregard the people of knowledge and forget that any worship that is not in line with the sunnah of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam is misguidance because he alyhissolaat wassalaam is the one who perfected worship in every aspect of it and non can ever be more guided than him. The more you follow him alyhissolaat wassalaam the more guided you are and vice versa.

So they fell for this trap and strived in worship without knowledge or guidance until they started innovating several misguidances like claiming that they attained a rank of merging with Allah (al-hulool) -may Allah forbid- after worshipping him for some time. And they established some steps and procedures to follow on this their journey of "merging" which neither the prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam nor Abu Bakr,Umar, Uthman or Ali rodiyaLLaahu anhum embarked on.
They named these procedures and steps of rituals "tariqah" meaning path (to Allah or salvation or whatever).

Then they started innovating other terminologies like mureed (disciple) for the trainee willing to attain hulool and they came up with their innovated principle that:
the mureed in the hand of his sheikh is like a corpse in the hand of the one cleaning him. This principle implies that one doesn't ask for evidence or proof for whatever your sheikh does.

They based this principle on the fact that Khadir asked Musa not to ask him any questions. But they are ignorant of the fact that Khadir is a prophet and thus received revelations. But their sheikhs were not.

Then Shaitan used baseless principle to put them into the mess of extremism in loving, praising and obeying their sheikhs till they were bold enough to raise many of their sheikhs to the level of prophethood.

Some of their extreme sects raise their sheikhs to the level of divinity thereby making them associates with Allah. We ask Allah for safety.

This extremism caused arrogance and pride to grow in the hearts of their sheikhs till many of them claimed several types of nonsense such as some of them saying that they are higher in rank than the prophets because the prophets Alyhimussalam receive revelation from Allah through angels, but the waliyy (in Sufi term means sheikh who has merged) communicates directly with Allah. Till many of them claimed that they have knowledge of the unseen and are capable of giving and taking life, giving and holding rain, rewriting the Qadar (Devine predestination) of a person.

Then from this arrogance and pride was born recklessness in following lusts, this made them claim that the Sheikhs are not under any legislation and are free to contradict any law of the shariah as much they wished.

Their proof for this is that once lover meets his beloved, whatever wrong he does is overlooked by his lover. But the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam was the most beloved to Allah, and he observed Solah, fast and hajj till his death alyhissolaat wassalaam.

So whatever they do Allah -as they claim- will pardon them because they have merged with him. This made them legalize adultery, alcohol, incest, abandoning Solah, music and many other atrocities for themselves.

But, it is the sunnah of Allah that whoever abandons knowledge will not achieve what he seeks. So the Sufi people faced worship and cut themselves off from the people of knowledge. This dragged them into a maze of mess and misguidances and they are unable to retrace their footsteps to guidance.

So, the matter is as Imam Barbahaariyy said in Sharh Sunnah:

And beware of the (seemingly) small bidah (innovations), Because the small innovation continues until it becomes big. So also is every innovation (that was) innovated into this ummah, it's beginning was small resembling the truth, so the one who fell into it was deceived by that and was never able to break loose from it. Then it became big and turned into a religion that is practiced then it contradicted the right path and went out of Islam.

We ask Allah for safety.

^^^

Chai, are you done?

Your post is very shallow.

And khidr (as) is a prophet? And where is your evidence for that?. We are told only 24 or 25 are mentioned in the Quran.

Yes, I never heard of the word 'sufi' bcus it was not that important. How's that difficult for you to understand? . Yourself, did you ever heard of 'salafism' growing up in the 80s and 90s?. Didn't you all just got accustomed with it in recent yrs?.

I won't doubt the names were in existence . I was only telling you that shuyukh in 20th century practiced Islam with sincerity without name. But today ir is name without sincerity. How do you have hard time understanding this? .

Oh, sufi were ignorant all through the centuries but yet, they taught you tawheed and built up Islam in many parts of the world? . Your are incredible. Sheikh Adam(ra), a sufi built his Markaz in the 50s, was that built on ignorance or you are just clouded by your hate mongering for them?.

All the ilekeu in nija were built mostly by sufi where everyone learned. They were built on ignorance, abi?. I wonder what exactly you people gave us from 1900 till date. Just point me one achievement of salafism in nija, please.

Sheikh adam (ra) waliy agba built his markaz in his 30s. You can hardly find any 30yrs old in Nigeria today who can do that. A 39yr old probably still sleeping on his father couch and getting pocket money.

Anyways, rant all you want. Sufis built Islam in Africa. You also forgot that the same Saudi brought sufisme to Africa. Now they want to get rid of it in exchange for salafism. This is why they are funding one eyed folks that lie to get money from them. I really don't want to address every point you raised in your post above. You seemed to cooked up falsehood with haq. Some of what you said you copied from sheikh mojeed eleha. He said the same. But guess what, he cools off now after realizing his mistakes. When are you going to realize yours?

I think I should quote this in case you decide to erase it

Newnas:

They based this principle on the fact that Khadir asked Musa not to ask him any questions. But they are ignorant of the fact that Khadir is a prophet and thus received revelations. But their sheikhs were not.

This is your bida.

Not bida actually, rather a lie against Quran. I'm waiting for your evidence. And also kindly provide revealed Holy Book to khidr. I want to see that.

Empiree:
I think I should quote this in case you decide to erase it

This is your bida.

Not bida actually, rather a lie against Quran. I'm waiting for your evidence. And also kindly provide revealed Holy Book to khidr. I want to see that.

The evidence is found in Surah al Kahf vs 65 and 85. You can check its tafsirs too.

or you can read below

The from the general meaning of the Qur’aanic verses it appears that he was a Prophet.

Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary on the aayah (interpretation of the meaning)

“Then they found one of Our slaves, on whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us”

[al-Kahf 18:65]

“But it may be understood from some aayahs that the mercy mentioned here was the mercy of Prophethood, and that this knowledge which came from Allaah was the knowledge of revelation (wahy)… It is known that mercy and the bestowal of knowledge from Allaah is more general and comes in more ways than via Prophethood. The fact that something general exists does not necessarily imply that something more specific exists, as is well known. One of the indications that the mercy and knowledge with which Allaah blessed His slave al-Khidr came by way of Prophethood and revelation is the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And I did them not of my own accord”[al-Kahf 18:82]

i.e., rather I did them by the command of Allaah, and the command of Allaah is only conveyed via wahy (revelation), because there is no way for the commands and prohibitions of Allaah to be known except through revelation from Allaah, especially with regard to the killing of an apparently innocent soul and damaging a ship by making a hole in it, because committing acts of aggression against people’s lives and wealth can only be validated via revelation from Allaah. Allaah has restricted the method of warning to revelation as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): “I warn you only by the Revelation”
[al-Anbiya’ 21:45]

the word innama (translated here as “only”) implies limitation or restriction.

Adwaa’ al-Bayaan, 4/172, 173

And he said:

From all of this we know that al-Khidr’s killing the boy and making a hole in the ship, and his saying,

“And I did them not of my own accord”

[al-Kahf 18:82 – interpretation of the meaning]]

clearly indicate that he was a Prophet. Al-Fakhr al-Raazi, in his tafseer, attributed the view that he was a Prophet to many scholars. Another factor that may indicate that he was a Prophet is the fact that Moosa (peace be upon him) humbled himself before him and said (interpretation of the meaning):

“May I follow you so that you teach me something of that knowledge (guidance and true path) which you have been taught (by Allaah)?”[al-Kahf 18:66]

“If Allaah wills, you will find me patient, and I will not disobey you in aught”[al-Kahf 18:69]

even though al-Khidr said to him (interpretation of the meaning):

“And how can you have patience about a thing which you know not?” [al-Kahf 18:68]

Adwaa’ al-Bayaan, 3/326.

^^^

Laa go melo?. In 2017 Khidr is now prophet?

How many prophets are there in the Quran now?. I am surprised you did not quote your famous scholars like Sheikh Albani, Ibn Baz, Uthaymeen, Fawzan and so on to buttress your point. Why quoting strange view just to back up your brother's claim?. What you posted suggests that you stretched the meaning of prophethood, something you people accused sufis and shias of.

Well, let me tell you that there are some people who also claim nana Maryam umm Isa(as), was also a prophet bcus she got orders too from Allah. If Khidr was a prophet, how about Dhul-Qarnayn (Surat al-Kahf (surah 18), verses 83-101)?. You are really quoting me strange tafsir. Now let me tell you what you don't get. He is not a prophet yet he taught a prophet. If you want to claim bcus Allah called him His servant, isn't the same word used for pious muslims as well?. What khidr had was Kashf (Arabic: كشف‎‎). A powerful kashf.

Kashf "unveiling" is a Sufi concept rooted in Gnostic ideals dealing with knowledge of the heart rather than of the intellect. ... In Sufism, an even further revelatory capacity exists by which the Divine mysteries become readily apparent to the seeker through the light of knowledge of God. So Khidr(as) was a mystery. Just bcus we use alaiysalaam for him doesn't make him one. Just like we use alaiy salaam for Jibril.

Sorry, try harder again. It is that kashf the sufis (waliy) have. Newnas wrote nonsense up there saying that they (sufis) claim they reached level of prophethood. Now you dont have to accept this explanation of mine. Let me tell you that encounter btw nabi Musa(as) and Khidr(as) was symbolism. Such a prophet of Allah that Allah spoke directly to, would not know(already) what Khidr taught him?. We say no. We say that the encounter was meant to send message to ignorant people in akhir zaman. You know the ignorants right?. Today, they are people who ascribe "knowledge" to themselves. Call them salafis if you want.


Khidr symbolizes internal knowledge while Musa(as) symbolizes external reality. In another word, Musa (as) only believed in knowledge that is externally observed (zahir) while Khidr (as) believes also in knowledge internally received. This trashes salafi nonsense that there is no internal knowledge (ilm batin). Both must be combined to form harmonious whole. Alfa agba, waliy olohun, Sheikh Adam Abdullahi al-ilory(ra) said 'there are those who only pursue knowledge outwardly and reject other part of the knowledge(batin)."

So reference cited by newnas that Sufis used is very correct. It is not ignorance. He is ignorant.

Let's read what tabi'in has to say about this.


Imam Malik (94-179 H./716-795 CE)

Imam Malik (r) said, “Whoever studies jurisprudence (fiqh) and didn’t study Sufism (tasawwuf) will be corrupted; and whoever studied tasawwuf and didn’t study jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will be reach the Truth.” This saying is mentioned and explained in the book of the scholar ‘Ali al-Adawi with the explanation of Imam Abil-Hassan, a scholar of jurisprudence, vol. 2, p. 195.

See that?. His statement describes exactly fake sufis and salafi altogether. Those sufis in 20th century in nigeria combined both. I combined both or you think i dont have formal education in islamic studies?. You must be dreaming.


Let's read from another tabi'in

Imam Shafii (150-205 H./767-820 CE)

Imam Shafii said, “I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges:

they taught me how to speak
they taught me how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart.
they guided me in the ways of Sufism.”
This is mentioned in the books, Kashf al-Khafa and Muzid al-Albas, by Imam ‘Ajluni, vol. 1, p. 341.



Another one


Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164-241 H./780-855 CE)

Imam Ahmad (r) said, advising his son, “O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. They are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power.” This is explained in the book Tanwir al-Qulub, p. 405, by Shaikh Amin al-Kurdi.

Imam Ahmad said about the Sufis, as mentioned in the book Ghiza al-Albab, vol. 1, p. 120, “I don’t know any people better than them.”



Yet another one


Imam al-Qushayri (d. 465 H./1072 CE)

Imam al-Qushayri said about Sufism, “Allah made this group the best of His saints and He honored them above all of His Servants after His Messengers and Prophets, and He made their hearts the secrets of His Divine Presence and He chose them from among the Nation to receive His Lights. They are the means of humanity. He cleaned them from all connections to this world, and He lifted them to the highest states of vision. And He unveiled to them the Realities of His Unique Oneness. He made them to observe His Will operating in them. He made them to shine in His Existence and to appear as Lights of His Lights.” [ar-Risalat al-Qushayriyya, p. 2]


You want more? I got more.

So, fact is, sufis are your predecessors. Your shuyukh are just wailing. There are a lot they understand not. They invented bid'a by takfiriing anything sufis do in kitab and sunnah as bida. They only believe in what they see. Anything besides that is "bid'a in their dico. Imagine one of your Shuyukh said chanting Allah's Names and Attributes and salams on the prophet(SAW) as done by sufis is bid'a?. Dont you think his statement is also bid'a?.

NONSENSE!!!


Let me knock it off with this


Ibn Khaldun (733-808 H./1332-1406 CE)

Ibn Khaldun said, “The way of the Sufis is the way of the Salaf, the Scholars among the Sahabah, Tabi'in, and Tabi'in at-Tabi'in. Its origin is to worship Allah and to leave the ornaments of this world and its pleasures.” [Muqaddimat ibn Khaldun, p. 328]

Empiree:
^^^

Laa go melo?. In 2017 Khidr is now prophet?

How many prophets are there in the Quran now?. I am surprised you did not quote your famous scholars like Sheikh Albani, Ibn Baz, Uthaymeen, Fawzan and so on to buttress your point. Why quoting strange view just to back up your brother's claim?. What you posted suggests that you stretched the meaning of prophethood, something you people accused sufis and shias of.

Well, let me tell you that there are some people who also claim nana Maryam umm Isa(as), was also a prophet bcus she got orders too from Allah. If Khidr was a prophet, how about Dhul-Qarnayn (Surat al-Kahf (surah 18), verses 83-101)?. You are really quoting me strange tafsir. Now let me tell you what you don't get. He is not a prophet yet he taught a prophet. If you want to claim bcus Allah called him His servant, isn't the same word used for pious muslims as well?. What khidr had was Kashf (Arabic: كشف‎‎). A powerful kashf.

Kashf "unveiling" is a Sufi concept rooted in Gnostic ideals dealing with knowledge of the heart rather than of the intellect. ... In Sufism, an even further revelatory capacity exists by which the Divine mysteries become readily apparent to the seeker through the light of knowledge of God. So Khidr(as) was a mystery. Just bcus we use alaiysalaam for him doesn't make him one. Just like we use alaiy salaam for Jibril.

Sorry, try harder again. It is that kashf the sufis (waliy) have. Newnas wrote nonsense up there saying that they (sufis) claim they reached level of prophethood. Now you dont have to accept this explanation of mine. Let me tell you that encounter btw nabi Musa(as) and Khidr(as) was symbolism. Such a prophet of Allah that Allah spoke directly to, would not know(already) what Khidr taught him?. We say no. We say that the encounter was meant to send message to ignorant people in akhir zaman. You know the ignorants right?. Today, they are people who ascribe "knowledge" to themselves. Call them salafis if you want.


Khidr symbolizes internal knowledge while Musa(as) symbolizes external reality. In another word, Musa (as) only believed in knowledge that is externally observed (zahir) while Khidr (as) believes also in knowledge internally received. This trashes salafi nonsense that there is no internal knowledge (ilm batin). Both must be combined to form harmonious whole. Alfa agba, waliy olohun, Sheikh Adam Abdullahi al-ilory(ra) said 'there are those who only pursue knowledge outwardly and reject other part of the knowledge(batin)."

So reference cited by newnas that Sufis used is very correct. It is not ignorance. He is ignorant.

Let's read what tabi'in has to say about this.


Imam Malik (94-179 H./716-795 CE)

Imam Malik (r) said, “Whoever studies jurisprudence (fiqh) and didn’t study Sufism (tasawwuf) will be corrupted; and whoever studied tasawwuf and didn’t study jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will be reach the Truth.” This saying is mentioned and explained in the book of the scholar ‘Ali al-Adawi with the explanation of Imam Abil-Hassan, a scholar of jurisprudence, vol. 2, p. 195.

See that?. His statement describes exactly fake sufis and salafi altogether. Those sufis in 20th century in nigeria combined both. I combined both or you think i dont have formal education in islamic studies?. You must be dreaming.


Let's read from another tabi'in

Imam Shafii (150-205 H./767-820 CE)

Imam Shafii said, “I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges:

they taught me how to speak
they taught me how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart.
they guided me in the ways of Sufism.”
This is mentioned in the books, Kashf al-Khafa and Muzid al-Albas, by Imam ‘Ajluni, vol. 1, p. 341.



Another one


Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164-241 H./780-855 CE)

Imam Ahmad (r) said, advising his son, “O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. They are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power.” This is explained in the book Tanwir al-Qulub, p. 405, by Shaikh Amin al-Kurdi.

Imam Ahmad said about the Sufis, as mentioned in the book Ghiza al-Albab, vol. 1, p. 120, “I don’t know any people better than them.”



Yet another one


Imam al-Qushayri (d. 465 H./1072 CE)

Imam al-Qushayri said about Sufism, “Allah made this group the best of His saints and He honored them above all of His Servants after His Messengers and Prophets, and He made their hearts the secrets of His Divine Presence and He chose them from among the Nation to receive His Lights. They are the means of humanity. He cleaned them from all connections to this world, and He lifted them to the highest states of vision. And He unveiled to them the Realities of His Unique Oneness. He made them to observe His Will operating in them. He made them to shine in His Existence and to appear as Lights of His Lights.” [ar-Risalat al-Qushayriyya, p. 2]


You want more? I got more.

So, fact is, sufis are your predecessors. Your Saudi shuyukh are just wailing. There are a lot they understand not. They invented bid'a by takfiriing anything sufis do in kitab and sunnah as bida. They only believe in what they see. Anything besides that is "bid'a in their dico. Imagine one of your Shuyukh said chanting Allah's Names and Attributes and salams on the prophet(SAW) as done by sufis is bid'a?. Dont you think his statement is also bid'a?.

NONSENSE!!!


Let me knock it off with this


Ibn Khaldun (733-808 H./1332-1406 CE)

Ibn Khaldun said, “The way of the Sufis is the way of the Salaf, the Scholars among the Sahabah, Tabi'in, and Tabi'in at-Tabi'in. Its origin is to worship Allah and to leave the ornaments of this world and its pleasures.” [Muqaddimat ibn Khaldun, p. 328]

lakum deenukum waliyadeen

Rashduct4luv:


lakum deenukum waliyadeen

Exactly....it is always like that when you are refuted.

You cant bring QalaAllahu QallaRosul to prove Khidr was a prophet. Yet, you tag others "innovators" for the very same thing you just did. Abeg, siddon for a side if you can't defend your point.

So back to you too....

Lakum Deenukum Waliyadeen

Alennsar:




[s]now I know who Empi.ree is "a great hypocrite" you said it bfore but now have confirmed it.

and mind you emp.iree don't quote me[/s].

Noted....as long as i'm not God's hypocrite your opinion is meaningless. You can overlook their inconsistencies all you want

Empiree:
I think I should quote this in case you decide to erase it

This is your bida.

Not bida actually, rather a lie against Quran. I'm waiting for your evidence. And also kindly provide revealed Holy Book to khidr. I want to see that.

Since you don't ponder on the Quran, let me guide you to it by Allah's permit.

Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 82:
وَأَمَّا الْجِدَارُ فَكَانَ لِغُلَامَيْنِ يَتِيمَيْنِ فِي الْمَدِينَةِ وَكَانَ تَحْتَهُ كَنزٌ لَّهُمَا وَكَانَ أَبُوهُمَا صَالِحًا فَأَرَادَ رَبُّكَ أَن يَبْلُغَا أَشُدَّهُمَا وَيَسْتَخْرِجَا كَنزَهُمَا رَحْمَةً مِّن رَّبِّكَ وَمَا فَعَلْتُهُ عَنْ أَمْرِي ذَٰلِكَ تَأْوِيلُ مَا لَمْ تَسْطِع عَّلَيْهِ صَبْرًا

"And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the town; and there was under it a treasure belonging to them; and their father was a righteous man, and your Lord intended that they should attain their age of full strength and take out their treasure as a mercy from your Lord. And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of those (things) over which you could not hold patience."
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

meaning that khadir received revelation from Allah and it was based on the revelation that he acted not some ilm batin.


What clarifies this further is that khadir's actions proved that he was given some knowledge of the unseen (ghaib) and Allah said:

Surah Al-Jinn, Verse 26-27:
عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا

إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا


"(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)
Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

So, the fact that khadir Alyhissalam possessed knowledge of the unseen (ghaib) shows that he is a prophet because non is given knowledge of the unseen except a prophet.

Newnas:


Since you don't ponder on the Quran, let me guide you to it by Allah's permit.

Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 82:
وَأَمَّا الْجِدَارُ فَكَانَ لِغُلَامَيْنِ يَتِيمَيْنِ فِي الْمَدِينَةِ وَكَانَ تَحْتَهُ كَنزٌ لَّهُمَا وَكَانَ أَبُوهُمَا صَالِحًا فَأَرَادَ رَبُّكَ أَن يَبْلُغَا أَشُدَّهُمَا وَيَسْتَخْرِجَا كَنزَهُمَا رَحْمَةً مِّن رَّبِّكَ وَمَا فَعَلْتُهُ عَنْ أَمْرِي ذَٰلِكَ تَأْوِيلُ مَا لَمْ تَسْطِع عَّلَيْهِ صَبْرًا

"And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the town; and there was under it a treasure belonging to them; and their father was a righteous man, and your Lord intended that they should attain their age of full strength and take out their treasure as a mercy from your Lord. And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of those (things) over which you could not hold patience."
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

meaning that khadir received revelation from Allah and it was based on the revelation that he acted not some ilm batin.


What clarifies this further is that khadir's actions proved that he was given some knowledge of the unseen (ghaib) and Allah said:

Surah Al-Jinn, Verse 26-27:
عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا

إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا


"(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)
Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

So, the fact that khadir Alyhissalam possessed knowledge of the unseen (ghaib) shows that he is a prophet because non is given knowledge of the unseen except a prophet.

Sorry sir. It is a simple question. Was khidr a prophet and did sahaba understand it that way?. Dont try playing smart with "revelation" thing bcus even revelation (of lesser) will continue after nabi(saw) according to his hadith of 46 parts of nabuwa. So just answer my question. Allah clearly indicates His prophets and messangers. So dont give me obscure interpretation like you accused sufi of. Kashf is also a form of "revelation" but not that of nabi. One can not have kashf without Allah's permmision.

Newnas:


[s]Such a flimsy excuse for your deviant methodologies.[/s]

Sahabah and those who followed them in goodness didn't define sunnah as you have. You have no righteous predecessor for this claim of yours, it's an innovated methodology.

The companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum travelled the lands during the time of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam, such as Muadh bn Jabal that was sent to Yemen and many of them that traveled to Syria, modern Palestine other territories for business and dawah, and they conquered cities which didn't spend Dirham and Dinar as there currencies, if spending Dirham and dinar were acts of worship the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam would have directed them not to spend other than Dirham and dinar.

"deviant" this nonsense phrase used to castigate people when they differ with you. I am not surprised. Now, let's teach you subject of money since you said you followed the sahaba but you have no idea which money they spent. Help yourself. It is an hour long


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9RCBnp-IU&t=376s

One hour?!

time is too precious!!!

I've explained myself with clear verses from the Quran. I have no power to force guidance over anyone and I will not be accountable for anyone's misguidance. the obligation upon me is to explain which I have done.

AlhamduliLlah.

give me proof from quran and hadith that abortion is permissible








this is where you go wrong and become an innovator. Do Not Follow or accept anybody fatwa without delil. Its simply taklid.Blind following of alfa's... its kufru

Empiree:
oh I see. Same anthem you want me to sing. Okay

Now it is sunnah of the nabi((saw) to marry a woman 25yrs older than you. Why have you not done so? Why did you marry your mate or junior?.


# it is sunnah of nabi (saw ) to keep your eyes open while you are asleep. But why did you close your eyes?. Don't you know it is bida for marrying lady even a day younger than you. It is also bida to close your eyes when you sleep. Why aren't you practing this sunnah brother newnas?

brother..,you still in sufi ish..,just download jabata or abu ibeji lectures on Ahlusunnah and Arkan Eeman