In the New Testament the Holy Spirit has replaced the work of the Old Testament prophets. Today we have prophets in the church. Some can prophesy, while others can exhort and comfort. But we do not have personal prophets to come and tell us what we should do. If anyone comes to tell us to do this or that, he is not a prophet, but a SORCERER . It is true that Agabus and the four daughters of Philip were prophets, and they did prophesy (Acts 11:28; 21:8-11), but the main work of the New Testament prophets is preaching and speaking for God. New Testament prophets seldom prophesy; their main work is the preaching of the Word. First Corinthians 14 specifically mentions the work of the prophets. Verse 3 clearly says that the main work of the New Testament prophets is for building up, encouraging, and consoling men. It does not mention any foretelling of the future. This shows that foretelling is an incidental work; sometimes it is done by a few, but it is not the principal work.
A prophet cannot give anyone personal guidance; this is the essence of the New Testament. In the New Testament there are no personal prophets. Everyone can know God directly and be led of God and know God's will directly. Do you have a prophet? that is, the kind of personal prophet mentioned above. The danger of a worker is to burden himself with the work of a prophet. When there are too many personal prophets, the proper place of the New Testament prophet is annulled. The New Testament church does not need any spiritual GIANTS to act as personal prophets to teach others what they should do. That is the work of the Holy Spirit, not the work of the prophets. The main work of the New Testament prophets is for building up, encouraging, and consoling men. This is the work that God's workers should do today.

2Cor11:12And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
There a THIN line between what's of God and that of the Devil.
The spirit of discernment is very necessary in our Christain life.

There are two very precious things in the New Testament. First, we can all be priests serving God in His presence. Second, the Holy Spirit is within us and we can know God's will. If we do not have the second thing, we are only Jews and outdated believers. The most important matter in the New Testament is that the Holy Spirit lives within the believers. When some among us receive the outpouring of the Spirit, they speak in tongues, prophesy, receive revelations, or experience many similar things. If a brother/sister claimed that she had received a prophecy or a revelation, what would you do? Suppose something happened in your home. Would you go to this sister and inquire of her? Would you charge her to inform you of any revelation that she has received? If you did this, you would not only be relinquishing your New Testament right, but you would be opening the door to the deception of evil spirits. In the Old Testament there were the sorcerers, whose work was the same in principle as the work of the prophets. The prophets conveyed to men the will of God, whereas the sorcerers conveyed to men the will of evil spirits. Both were intermediaries. In the Old Testament, if a man claimed that he did not need a sorceress, he must have been an expert himself. However, in the New Testament, no prophet should occupy an INTERMEDIARY position. Every believer can communicate with God directly. In the New Testament, as long as some "sorcerers" remain, the Holy Spirit will not convey God's word to man. If some brothers have some gifts of the Holy Spirit as a result of the outpouring, and if they tell you to do this and that, they are acting as Old Testament prophets and being an intermediary for you. You should not accept their words. "The outpouring of the Spirit cannot replace the inner leading of the Spirit."Otherwise, an intermediary class of people will be produced and there will be "sorcerers."

Verse 11 of Acts 21 that you quoted showed Agabus foretelling the future for Apostle Paul.

Jesus foretold the denial of Peter and the consequence of the action of Judas.

While I am against the commercialization of the office of a prophet, I strongly disagree with you that anyone who foretels the future is a sorcerer.
I think you are overblowing your little knowledge. Do more research. There is a book by Kenneth Hagin on spiritual gifts, please get it and learn more.

The daughters of Evangelists Phillip though prophesied in the early part of that verse yet they were not privileged to see into the future as Agabus accurately saw it and declared it.

God bless you as you grow in his service, Amen!

greatcrown:
Verse 11 of Acts 21 that you quoted showed Agabus foretelling the future for Apostle Paul.

Jesus foretold the denial of Peter and the consequence of the action of Judas.

While I am against the commercialization of the office of a prophet, I strongly disagree with you that anyone who foretels the future is a sorcerer.
I think you are overblowing your little knowledge. Do more research. There is a book by Kenneth Hagin on spiritual gifts, please get it and learn more.

The daughters of Evangelists Phillip though prophesied in the early part of that verse yet they were not privileged to see into the future as Agabus accurately saw it and declared it.

God bless you as you grow in his service, Amen!

Hi Bro.
About your comments regards to Paul and our Lord.
1.Paul never obeyed Agabus you know why??
Because he has the Holy Spirit within Him.and he trusted the indwelling Spirit more than any other words from his brothers.
These should be our path.to follow the leadings of the Holy Spirit within us not going back to the intermediary class of the Old Testament
2.During the time of our Lord Jesus Christ here on earth the Indwelling Spirit Has not residue on His disciples so He(Christ) Has to direct them till the Holy Spirit comes.

ichuka:
In the New Testament the Holy Spirit has replaced the work of the Old Testament prophets. Today we have prophets in the church. Some can prophesy, while others can exhort and comfort. But we do not have personal prophets to come and tell us what we should do. If anyone comes to tell us to do this or that, he is not a prophet, but a SORCERER .

Wrong

It is true that Agabus and the four daughters of Philip were prophets, and they did prophesy (Acts 11:28; 21:8-11),

Beautiful

but the main work of the New Testament prophets is preaching and speaking for God. New Testament prophets seldom prophesy.

What do you mean by seldom . There is difference between prophesying, the gift of prophecy and the OFFICE OF THE PROPHET . The prophet will always be a prophet in every generation . There's no NEW TESTSTAMENT PROPHET.

The gift of prophecy will always be the gift of prophecy in every generation.


1 Corinthians 14:24-25
24 But if all of you are prophesying, and unbelievers or people who don’t understand these things come into your meeting, they will be convicted of sin and judged by what you say. 25 As they listen, their secret thoughts will be exposed, and they will fall to their knees and worship God, declaring, “God is truly here among you.”

In prophecy , there is forthtelling and foretelling .

ichuka:

Hi Bro.
About your comments regards to Paul and our Lord.
1.Paul never obeyed Agabus you know why??
Because he has the Holy Spirit within Him.and he trusted the indwelling Spirit more than any other words from his brothers.
These should be our path.to follow the leadings of the Holy Spirit within us not going back to the intermediary class of the Old Testament
2.During the time of our Lord Jesus Christ here on earth the Indwelling Spirit Has not residue on His disciples so He(Christ) Has to direct them till the Holy Spirit comes.

Paul had gifts of prophecy but he was not a prophet . He had to balance his work by working with prophets If you observe his ministry . Silas was a prophet , bannabas was a prophet.

Joagbaje:


Paul had gifts of prophecy but he was not a prophet . He had to balance his work by working with prophets If you observe his ministry . Silas was a prophet , bannabas was a prophet.

Hi Bro longtime
Now,who told you Paul was not a Prophet??
If he's not,who is?
What's the chacracteristic of a prophet?
My brother Paul was EVERYTHING!! a Teacher,an Apostle and Evangelist and also a Prophet.

Joagbaje:


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Beautiful



What do you mean by seldom . There is difference between prophesying, the gift of prophecy and the OFFICE OF THE PROPHET . The prophet will always be a prophet in every generation . There's no NEW TESTSTAMENT PROPHET.

The gift of prophecy will always be the gift of prophecy in every generation.


1 Corinthians 14:24-25
24 But if all of you are prophesying, and unbelievers or people who don’t understand these things come into your meeting, they will be convicted of sin and judged by what you say. 25 As they listen, their secret thoughts will be exposed, and they will fall to their knees and worship God, declaring, “God is truly here among you.”

In prophecy , there is forthtelling and foretelling .

The verses you quoted was talking about UNBELIEVERS and not BELIEVERS.
2.The thread main focus was on "Prophets In the Church" not the world.
3.Theres nothing like "the office of a prophet"
The "school of prophet" instituted by Samuel in the Old Testament produces all the false prophets in the bible.do you know why??
It's because the prophetic ministry is not an OFFICE you walk in and out daily or whenever one feels like it.rather,it is who you are!!
Prophets are born and not made.
The word of God they speak are who they are.i.e. The word and the vessel(prophet) are one not two different things.

ichuka:

Hi Bro longtime

Good day sir

Now,who told you Paul was not a Prophet??
If he's not,who is?
What's the chacracteristic of a prophet?
My brother Paul was EVERYTHING!! a Teacher,an Apostle and Evangelist and also a Prophet

Any christian who studies can teach but that doesn't make him a teacher .

Paul obviously had the gift of prophecy and he functions in the 5fold ministry but he is in the office of an apostle. That's why he was not called prophet Paul but rather Apostle Paul

Pastor chris operates the 5 fold ministry also teacher ,pastor ,evangelist , prophecy , apostle

But you can't compare his prophetic ministry to likes of Suleiman and major 1 , jeremiah of warri who can just prophesy at will.

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ichuka:

The verses you quoted was talking about UNBELIEVERS and not BELIEVERS.
2.The thread main focus was on "Prophets In the Church" not the world.
3.Theres nothing like "the office of a prophet"
The "school of prophet" instituted by Samuel in the Old Testament produces all the false prophets in the bible.do you know why??
It's because the prophetic ministry is not an OFFICE you walk in and out daily or whenever one feels like it.rather,it is who you are!!
Prophets are born and not made.
The word of God they speak are who they are.i.e. The word and the vessel(prophet) are one not two different things.

We should not criticize what we know little about . The spirit has always been upon people and available for all right from the Old Testament. The principles are the same . Why was he telling Timothy to take little wine . Why can't he slow

It's a call I refer to as office . The office is to minister to Gods people . That doesn't take away the ministry of the Holy Spirit in their lives . Why was Paul Counselling Timothy , Titus and other pastors who already had the holyghost .

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Joagbaje:


Good day sir



Any christian who studies can teach but that doesn't make him a teacher .

Paul obviously had the gift of prophecy and he functions in the 5fold ministry but he is in the office of an apostle. That's why he was not called prophet Paul but rather Apostle Paul

Pastor chris operates the 5 fold ministry also teacher ,pastor ,evangelist , prophecy , apostle

But you can't compare his prophetic ministry to likes of Suleiman and major 1 , jeremiah of warri who can just prophesy at will.

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John14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I hav1john2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
We are no longer in the INTERMEDIARY CLASS of the Old Testament where the God will be at one side His children at the opposite direction and some self proclaimed prophet will be interceding between God and His children,No!!
Bible said that the indwelling Spirit will teach us ALL THINGS.
Any prophet/pastor standing inbetween Him and His children (foretelling stories of witch and wizard in there houses etc)is commiting a serious crime in His presence.by trying to take the position of the indwelling Spirit.its a gracious crime and most of them don't know.

Joagbaje:


Good day sir



Any christian who studies can teach but that doesn't make him a teacher .

Paul obviously had the gift of prophecy and he functions in the 5fold ministry but he is in the office of an apostle. That's why he was not called prophet Paul but rather Apostle Paul

Pastor chris operates the 5 fold ministry also teacher ,pastor ,evangelist , prophecy , apostle

But you can't compare his prophetic ministry to likes of Suleiman and major 1 , jeremiah of warri who can just prophesy at will.

.

John14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I hav1john2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
We are no longer in the INTERMEDIARY CLASS of the Old Testament where the God will be at one side His children at the opposite direction and some self proclaimed prophet will be interceding between God and His children,No!!
Bible said that the indwelling Spirit will teach us ALL THINGS.
Any prophet/pastor standing inbetween Him and His children (foretelling stories of witch and wizard in there houses etc)is commiting a serious crime in His presence.by trying to take the position of the indwelling Spirit.its a gravious crime and most of them don't know.

Joagbaje:


We should not criticize what we know little about . The spirit has always been upon people and available for all right from the Old Testament. The principles are the same . Why was he telling Timothy to take little wine . Why can't he slow

It's a call I refer to as office . The office is to minister to Gods people . That doesn't take away the ministry of the Holy Spirit in their lives . Why was Paul Counselling Timothy , Titus and other pastors who already had the holyghost .

Eph4:11
So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
These is the work of the prophets and co.to build up the body of Christ by feeding believers the expounded word of God.thas what Paul and other Apostles did.
Not fortelling witches in ones village and merchandising spiritual GIFTS.

ichuka:

John14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I hav1john2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
We are no longer in the INTERMEDIARY CLASS of the Old Testament where the God will be at one side His children at the opposite direction and some self proclaimed prophet will be interceding between God and His children,No!!
Bible said that the indwelling Spirit will teach us ALL THINGS.
Any prophet/pastor standing inbetween Him and His children (foretelling stories of witch and wizard in there houses etc)is commiting a serious crime in His presence.by trying to take the position of the indwelling Spirit.its a gracious crime and most of them don't know.

The holy spirit shows things to come according to his gifts. A prophet is a seer. why was it Agabus who had to tell Paul and others about the financial crisis coming. why didn't the holy spirit tell all the christians individually. so Agabus was a sorcerer ? Why did he have to prophesy to warn Paul of his arrest. Agabus again? was he the only christian? prophecy is prophecy and a prophet is a prophet. a teacher is a teacher an intercessor is an intercessor in any dispensation or generation. God never differentiates between the old and the new in ministry gifts. ministry of the new is based on the principle of the old

Joagbaje:


The holy spirit shows things to come according to his gifts. A prophet is a seer. why was it Agabus who had to tell Paul and others about the financial crisis coming. why didn't the holy spirit tell all the christians individually. so Agabus was a sorcerer ? Why did he have to prophesy to warn Paul of his arrest. Agabus again? was he the only christian? prophecy is prophecy and a prophet is a prophet. a teacher is a teacher an intercessor is an intercessor in any dispensation or generation. God never differentiates between the old and the new in ministry gifts. ministry of the new is based on the principle of the old

When he foretell Payl future did Paul obey his instructions?NO,because he Paul has the indwelling Spirit to teach and direct him in all his path.
A prophet is a prophet yes,but there functions in the church has change since the INTERMEDIARY CLASS was abolish at Calvary.

The function of the Prophets(both in the old and New Testament)has almost invariably been that of Recovery.That implies that his business related to something LOST.That something being absolutely essential to God's full satisfaction, the dominant note of the Prophets was one of dissatisfaction. And, there being the additional factor that, for obvious reasons, the people were not disposed to go the costly way of God's full purpose, they are usually an unpopular.
But there unpopularity was no proof of his being wrong or unnecessary, for every Prophet was eventually vindicated,
If it be true that prophetic ministry is related to the need for the recovery of God's full thought as to His people, surely this is a time of such need! Few honest and thoughtful people will contend that things are all well with the Church of Christ today. A brief comparison with the first years of the Church's life will bring out a vivid contrast between then and the centuries since.
Take alone the lifetime of one man - Paul.
In the year 33 A.D. a few unknown men, looked upon as poor and ignorant, were associated with one 'Jesus of Nazareth' - which very designation was despicable in the minds of all reputable and influential people. These men, after that Jesus had been crucified, were later found seeking to proclaim His Lordship and Saviourhood, but were handled hardly by all official bodies.
In the year that Paul died - 67-68 A.D. (34 years later) - how did the matter stand? There were churches in Jerusalem, Nazareth, Caesarea; Antioch and all Syria; Galatia; Sardis, Laodicea, Ephesus and all the towns on the West coast throughout lesser Asia; in Philippi, Thessalonica, Athens, Corinth, and the chief cities of the islands and the mainland of Greece; Rome, and the Western Roman Colonies; and in Alexandria.
The history of generations of missionary enterprise, tens of thousands of missionaries, vast sums of money, immense administrative organizations,and much more on the publicity, propaganda, and advocacy side, does not compare at all favourably with the above!!We now find ourselves confronted by the end of the whole system of world missions and professional missionaries as they have existed for a very long time, and still the world is not EVANGELIZED!!
Is there a reason for these?
The answer is not to be found in the realm of zeal or devotion to the salvation of souls. Rather is it this: that there was at the beginning the supreme factor of an absolutely original and new apprehension of Christ and God's eternal purpose concerning Him. This revelation by the Holy Spirit came with devastating and revolutionising power to the Apostles and the Church, and, rather than being a 'tradition handed down from the FATHERS;a ready-made system, all set and entered into as such, it was, for every one of them, as though it had only newly dropped from heaven - which, in fact, was true.
To bring into view this full purpose of God was the essence of the Prophet's ministry, and will always be so. We may not now speak of a special class as 'Prophets', but the function may still be operative, and it is function that matters more than office.