BlueAngel444:



Two questions
1.are all workers of miracles, and based on your statements is John the Baptist fake cause he performed no miracles

2. Do you honesty don't know that the devil even after being cast out of the heavens, still had power to raise up false beasts and prophets to perform signs and wonders

(nB: I agree there are genuine men of God and God doing miracles)

Two answers :
1) John the baptist fulfilled his calling to pave the way for the miracle worker Jesus Christ. It was not his calling to perform miracles. When the Jews saw what Jesus was doing, they were amazed. They said they have never seen miracles such as these. Therefore Jesus' miracles were unique even to the blessed Jews. But we must remember that Jesus commanded that all his disciples/ministers/pastors whatever name one may care to use, will go and heal, deliver and bless.

2) Yes the devil/Lucifer/Satan/ has power, all spirits have power. All spirit activities can be classed as miraculous/supernatural or above scientific explanation. For the purpose here, I assume that you want to know if the dark spirits, especially Satan can do the same miracles that Jesus did or the same miracles that every true disciple of Jesus is doing till today. The answer is clear in the gospels. When Jesus was accused of doing the miracles by the power of Satan, He said to his learned accusers that Satan will never work against himself. To put it simply, Satan is a destroyer of life, therefore his signs and wonders will reveal itself as destructive to us.

You can look up the exact scriptures.

There is much deliberate confusion about Satans signs and wonders and the miracles of Jesus. Jesus Miracles is not for show. All have a powerful loving purpose to present the creative loving power of God to the believer to help them believe in him.
While Satan's Miracles are deceptive and for selfish gain with disastrous consequences.

Below is a practical example of the results of worshiping Lucifer;

The son of Criminal Scientology, Ron DeWolf exposed his own dad , “My father L.Ron Hubbard conned people out of their money, used Satanic black magic, distributed drugs from his church, and took sexual advantage of the church’s young female followers, I was invited to participate in private Sex orgies with my dad and three or four innocent young girls at the alter of his church then spray his sperm over the church alter to honour Lucifer.”
"My father’s theory was that one has to open or crack a girls soul in order for the satanic power of Lucifer to pour through it and into him," Dewolf said in a recent magazine interview. "It got kind of weird, culminating in a variety of violent sex acts. Dad also had an incredibly violent temper. He was into S&M (Violent sex acts) and would beat his mistresses and shoot them full of drugs." His father used amphetamines and cocaine, DeWolf says, plus other hallucinogens.
The women serving L. Ron Hubbard, says his son Ron DeWolf, "were very good at doing the dirty work, at running money or drugs back and forth. They were very good in any of the dirty tricks-department, because of his demand for absolutely totally slavish devotion to L. Ron Hubbard.
Current members of Scientology are horrified at these stories of their church, especially since the tales are told by the actual son of the sect’s founder. And the son DeWolf himself admits that the drug abuse and Satanic black magic rites and sex-orgies at the alter of the church "were more like side-by-side with with Scientology.”

All the best - Choose Life !

oaroloye:


WHEREAS you may not have known the Scriptures, I took the trouble to EXPLAIN the FOUNDATION for my Doctrine.

After I had shown you THE LORD YAHSHUA'S TEACHING ON THE SUBJECT, you STILL proceeded to TRAMPLE MY PEARLS beneath your hooves, paws, or whatever it is you trample with, and proceed to attempt to rend ME: for telling THE TRUTH of OUR LORD!

EVERY RAPE VICTIM in the HISTORY of RAPE: do you think that they got RAPED because they were SO HOLY? That God sent them RAPE, as a REWARD? WHY DIDN'T GOD PROTECT THEM FROM RAPE?

THE ONLY VIABLE STRATEGIES MUST BE TO AVOID RAPE ALTOGETHER!

FOOLS LIKE SCIENCEWATCH, and INCOMPETENT CHARLATANS like TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA cannot help you, because they HAVE NO PLAN to help people BEFORE THEY BECOME RAPE VICTIMS.

But, of course, I DO.

You have not explained the hidden source of your Satanic doctrines as you claim here. You are hidding alot of dark secrets of your spiritual masters.
Your new hybrid church that you want to start soon will be chanting your teachings on rape, "IT IS THE RAPE VICTIMS FAULT even if they are babies," They will also chant, "RAPE IS NOT A SIN." They will also chant my pastor Bronchitis said that, "RAPE IS NOT A SIN."

Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye, your Satanic teachings on rape is perfectly in-line with your spiritual masters L. Ron Hubbard and Carlos Castaneda's sexual greed. They both attended the same college for fiction novel writing. They both used their Church/cult young girls for sex.
The son of Criminal Scientology, Ron DeWolf exposed his own dad , “My father L.Ron Hubbard conned people out of their money, used Satanic black magic rituals, distributed drugs from his church, and took sexual advantage of the church’s young female followers, I was invited to participate in private Sex orgies with my dad and three or four innocent young girls at the alter of his church then spray his sperm over the church alter to honour Lucifer.” While spraying the sperm over the Holy Alter he will chant, Lucifer ! Lucifer ! Lucifer !
"My father’s theory was that one has to open or crack a girls soul in order for the satanic power of Lucifer to pour through it and into him," Dewolf said in a recent magazine interview."
It later got kind of weird, culminating in a variety of violent sex acts. Dad also had an incredibly violent temper.
Dad was also into S&M (Violent sex acts) and would beat his mistresses and shoot them full of drugs." His father used amphetamines and cocaine, DeWolf says, plus other hallucinogens

Fake pastor Bronchitis, we can now understand why you are very sarcastic when you talk about the history of rape.
With great love for your soul, You must go for demonic deliverance soonest !

oaroloye:


WHEREAS you may not have known the Scriptures, I took the trouble to EXPLAIN the FOUNDATION for my Doctrine.

After I had shown you THE LORD YAHSHUA'S TEACHING ON THE SUBJECT, you STILL proceeded to TRAMPLE MY PEARLS beneath your hooves, paws, or whatever it is you trample with, and proceed to attempt to rend ME: for telling THE TRUTH of OUR LORD.

A PERSON CAN ONLY BE RAPED, IF THEY ARE A SINNER!

FOOLS LIKE SCIENCEWATCH, and INCOMPETENT CHARLATANS like TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA cannot help you, because they HAVE NO PLAN to help people BEFORE THEY BECOME RAPE VICTIMS.

But, of course, I DO.

@ pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye (son of former traditional leader and king of Idanre)

Your Satanic worship of your spiritual masters of Criminal Scientology and abusive sex-maniacal Nagualism has led you to believe and preach that, "A PERSON CAN ONLY BE RAPED, IF THEY ARE A SINNER!"

What will happen next as a result of your Satanic doctrines, pastor Bronchitis is that your followers will insult every victim of rape by saying they are sinners, thats why they were raped.
Rapist will certainly use your doctrine so they can convince their victims that they are being raped because they are sinners.

My God, what about the babies ? You teach that even if they are babies they are to blame because they too must have sinned.
It is shocking that you continue to preach that you are proving your doctrines on rape from the Holy bible.

"A PERSON CAN ONLY BE RAPED, IF THEY ARE A SINNER!" This is the most startling PRO RAPE STATEMENT IN HISTORY.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

There are those people who think that they can ignore The Bible, just because they have a Prophet or Teacher whose Ministry is backed by Miracles.

BUT WHEREAS THE MIRACLES THAT GOD GAVE YAHSHUA TO DO PROVED THAT GOD HAD SENT HIM, THE SAME WORKS DO NOT PROVE THAT GOD SENT THOSE COMING AFTER HIM.

These people gamble their Souls on these Prophets- as if they could not read further in The Bible than what their False Prophet or False Teacher wanted them to read.

@ fake pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye

You and your Pentecostal PFN's cowardly and cruel propaganda over the past 34ys, against the Holy Spirit working with incredible power through a humble, kind man prophet TB Joshua and SCOAN church Nigeria is indeed legendary, seeing that your failures only increased the spiritual power of the SCOAN.
Today, the whole world is truly blessed to have the evidence of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV and youtube.com. The evidence of the miracles increases ones faith that lead to salvation of ones soul.

The miracles that Jesus and his disciples did were unique never seen before works of God in the lives of the people.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches.
John 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Joh 5:35 John was a burning and a shining light: and you were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
Then Jesus says something truly remarkable, Joh 5:36 But I have a greater witness/evidence than that of John:
for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father has sent me.

Fake pastor Bronchitis, there you have it from Jesus himself ! He is saying that the preaching of John, the most powerful witness for the coming of Christ is nothing in comparison to the witness/evidence of the WORKS/ MIRACLES. Joh 5:36 That why Jesus clearly emphasized that the MIRACLES that He do, bear the most effective witness/evidence for Him and his disciples that God sent them.

Who can deny the awesome meaning of John 14:12 as it clearly authenticates any true disciple/pastor of Jesus.
John 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do.

Therefore, fake pastor Bronchitis oaroloye is a conman when he continually preaches that the miracles do not authenticate a pastor,
but the miracles only authenticate Jesus himself.

THE MIRACLES CLEARLY AUTHENTICATE The holy Prophet TB Joshua, HE is a true Disciple of the living God anointed by Jesus Christ. He lives a simple life, unlike other mega pastors. The Evidence speaks for it self. Don’t be deceived by others.

oaroloye:


There is no Scripture where Lord Yahshua Commanded nor permitted anyone to be a "PASTOR."
"MINISTER" DOES NOT MEAN TODAY WHAT IT DID CENTURIES AGO: IT MEANS "MASTER," NOT "SERVANT." Stop interjecting what is not in The Bible. This is why you cannot show the verses: because you know that they will show that you are lying.

The point of this thread is that doing Miracles does not prove that one is sent by God any more, because the FALSE PROPHETS will also be enabled to perform similar Miracles, too.

THIS IS WHAT THE LORD SAID: WHY DO YOU NOT RESPECT WHAT THE LORD SAID?

He did not say that ONLY the Clergymen would perform Miracles- which is what you imply your Ordained Clergymen have told you. The Lord said that EVERYONE who Believes The Gospel will work the same Miracles that he Worked on the Earth.

T.B. JOSHUA SAYS: "I HAVE NO POWER TO HEAL."
The ignorant layman will think that that is very humble of him to say that. But he is denying what the Lord SAID explicitly, that HIS DISCIPLES WOULD RECEIVE POWER, after THE HOLY GHOST came upon them.
THIS POWER IS AVAILABLE TO EVERY DISCIPLE WHO LOVES THE LORD YAHSHUA............

I expected you to stand by your claim that MIRACLE-WORKING proves that a man is sent from God- BUT YOU DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT, do you?
13. Thou shalt not have in thy bag
divers weights, a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not have in thine house
divers measures, a great and a small.
15. But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure shalt thou have:
that thy days may be lengthened
in the Land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
and all that do unrighteously,
are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

ALL THESE SCRIPTURES YOU VIOLATED, YOU WILL GIVE ACCOUNT BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF THE LORD. I trust that you will find them a little less boring on that day?

All true disciples of the mighty Jesus Christ know that they are anointed to serve. So whats your problem with the names people have chosen over time to identify a disciple ?

Let get to the point of your thread. The Gospels prove that Jesus himself said that the miracles will authenticate himself and true men of God, true Disciples/pastors.

You cant control your 34yr long burning hatred toward SCOAN CHURCH and its kind, humble leader prophet TB Joshua, so know you have found that he lied when he said that, "I HAVE NO POWER TO HEAL." It is only because you have the spirit of Satan that you cant understand that he is speaking about a deeper truth that is clearly taught in the Gospels and Acts.

The bible warns, "Dont throw your pearls to the swine." Now, the pearls are the scriptures that proves all this. But if one day your heart is right you will finally understand it when you read it. No man got the power to do the miracles etc, that Jesus commands of his disciples. NO MAN CAN HEAL, DELIVER AND BLESS. It is not done with mans power !!
For now just believe in your Satanic Criminal Scientology and celebrate with sex-orgies on the church alter while chanting Lucifer ! Lucifer ! Lucifer !

You are seriously deluded and dangerous pastor Bronchitis,