Salaam

I'm not asking this question to spite my Sunni brothers. I'm asking because no matter my feelings towards any monarchy, the holy lands of Makkah and madinah are in what we all know as Saudi Arabia.

When the non believing women such as Angela Merkel and Melania Trump visit, they are welcomed without Hijab. Then Saudi TV while reporting the Visit is compelled to blur the image of these women without Hijab. The media of the west also go on to boast that these women are making a statement by refusing to wear hijab where the holiest lands of Islam as a whole are found.

On the other hand, when Kafiraat visit the Islamic republic of Iran, they cover up. Or if they refuse, the Visit is cancelled. Frederica Mogharini visited and she wore hijab in Tehran. Iran is the most powerful Shia country on earth and the Saudi Wahhabi sympathizers love to hate Iran.

How do Sunnis, and particularly the Wahhabi/Salafist Sunnis feel about this?

Iran has two holy cities, Mashhad and Qom (mainly revered and visited by Shia Muslims) where the grandchildren of the holy Prophet Muhammad (s) are buried. Those cities are by far lesser in sanctity to Makkah and madinah which are the holy of holies for all Muslims, Sunnis and Shia.

Rafidi:
Salaam

I'm not asking this question to spite my Sunni brothers. I'm asking because no matter my feelings towards any monarchy, the holy lands of Makkah and madinah are in what we all know as Saudi Arabia.

When the non believing women such as Angela Merkel and Melania Trump visit, they are welcomed without Hijab. Then Saudi TV while reporting the Visit is compelled to blur the image of these women without Hijab. The media of the west also go on to boast that these women are making a statement by refusing to wear hijab where the holiest lands of Islam as a whole are found.

On the other hand, when Kafiraat visit the Islamic republic of Iran, they cover up. Or if they refuse, the Visit is cancelled. Frederica Mogharini visited and she wore hijab in Tehran. Iran is the most powerful Shia country on earth and the Saudi Wahhabi sympathizers love to hate Iran.

How do Sunnis, and particularly the Wahhabi/Salafist Sunnis feel about this?

Iran has two holy cities, Mashhad and Qom (mainly revered and visited by Shia Muslims) where the grandchildren of the holy Prophet Muhammad (s) are buried. Those cities are by far lesser in sanctity to Makkah and madinah which are the holy of holies for all Muslims, Sunnis and Shia.

Let Saudi cancel naa. Na who go lose? Maybe Saudi will start drinking her oil.

Peace Rafidi

I do not approve your language at all and I think if you want to preach Islam, you need to understand the meaning of common terms like kafir which you have inappropiately used to describe non-Muslim women like Melania Trump or Frederica Mogharani.

A kafir is not one who merely disbelieves but one who who recieved the message the but restrain or conceal it from others. And these women you addressed as kafirs evidently do not qualify as such because they've neither received the pure message nor restrained or concealed the message of Islam.

Next, according to the Book, there is only one holy site in Islam and it is definitely not in Iran.

Additionally, non-Muslims are under not compulsion to abide by Islamic dress code just as they are under no compulsion to abide by Islamic prohibitions on food.

You need to reconsider your words because you or any Muslim out here may be no better than these non-Muslims in the sight of God. Study Islam and question your beliefs, stop being a complacent Muslim. Most of us who claim to be Muslims are in the wrong path. No one can be 100% certain that he/she is on the true path.

usermane:
Peace Rafidi

this thread is meant for Sunnis. are you Sunni? i doubt. i suspect you are from the so called "Quran only" cult.

I do not approve your language at all and I think if you want to preach Islam, you need to understand the meaning of common terms like kafir which you have inappropiately used to describe non-Muslim women like Melania Trump or Frederica Mogharani.

A kafir is not one who merely disbelieves but one who who recieved the message the but restrain or conceal it from others. And these women you addressed as kafirs evidently do not qualify as such because they've neither received the pure message nor restrained or concealed the message of Islam.

how do you know?

and what does the Quran say about those who believe God is "three in one"?

Next, according to the Book, there is only one holy site in Islam and it is definitely not in Iran.

so Al-Aqsa is not holy? i think you're from the so called "Quran only" cult? dont worry, its no issue if you do not regard some places as holy. they are not meant for you anyways.

Additionally, non-Muslims are under not compulsion to abide by Islamic dress code just as they are under no compulsion to abide by Islamic prohibitions on food.

non-muslim women who are not prominent cover up in saudi. dont they? so why are some exempted?

You need to reconsider your words because you or any Muslim out here may be no better than these non-Muslims in the sight of God. Study Islam and question your beliefs, stop being a complacent Muslim. Most of us who claim to be Muslims are in the wrong path. No one can be 100% certain that he/she is on the true path.

i am not claiming superiority. please its not even about the non muslims. it is about the muslims with double standards. stop drifting from the topic please.

Rafidi:


this thread is meant for Sunnis. are you Sunni? i doubt. i suspect you are from the so called "Quran only" cult.

Trust me, I would never have responded if you had chosen your words carefully. Misconstruing Islamic terminologies like "Kafir, Jizya or Jihad" is a fatal blunder that cannot be overlooked in the slightest. I never intended to speak for the sunnis in the least, even if my post may give that impression.

how do you know?

and what does the Quran say about those who believe God is "three in one"?

I take it you are refering to verses like Quran 5:17, 73. Put these verses in context, they address Christians who received the messenger yet denied his revealation. The truth had been clarified for them and they rejected it. These are not random Christians who know little to nothing about Islam. You can't call such persons rejectors/deniers/kufr. I'd love to go further than this, but I believe I have presented enough for you to look further into the subject, starting with Qur'an chapter 109.

usermane:


Trust me, I would never have responded if you had chosen your words carefully. Misconstruing Islamic terminologies like "Kafir, Jizya or Jihad" is a fatal blunder that cannot be overlooked in the slightest. I never intended to speak for the sunnis in the least, even if my post may give that impression.

I take it you are refering to verses like Quran 5:17, 73. Put these verses in context, they address Christians who received the messenger yet denied his revealation. The truth had been clarified for them and they rejected it. These are not random Christians who know little to nothing about Islam. You can't call such persons rejectors/deniers/kufr. I'd love to go further than this, but I believe I have presented enough for you to look further into the subject, starting with Qur'an chapter 109.

You are persisting to change the topic. The topic is hijab, not definition of who's kaafir and who's not.

Your argument on the definition of who's a kaffir has to do with someone who has never heard of the religion of Islam or what it is. Not heads of states and their families in this age and time of technology and information. Please rest!

Trump travelled with his wife and daughter to Israel and the Vatican, after leaving Saudi. In both Israel and the Vatican, those women used head covering to show respect to the values of those places.

In Saudi, a Muslim country, the land where the Prophet's body rests and the land hosting the two Holiest shrines and cities in Islam, they rejected the culture of the land and flaunted their hair and bodies. Please what do you call that if not disrespect and direct insult to Muslims. The western media deemed that as "making a statement" to Muslims. And the leaders of Saudi open heartedly welcomed them to make that statement as nothing but little servants to mama America. While at the same time, a Saudi woman can't drive and cannot travel alone, talk less of moving without hijab. The point is trump arrived in Saudi as the kingmaker and boss. He's telling the world of Islam that he's in control where we consider the Holy of Holies. If you can't see that and you didn't feel belittled and insulted, you need to search your heart and examine your faith.

Melania and Ivanka didn't cover their heads in Saudi Arabia, but they did to meet the Pope

Posted about 6 hours ago by Joe Vesey-Byrne in discover



The First Lady and First Daughter have wore head coverings in the presence of Catholics, but they did not in the presence of Muslims.

Following the tradition of other diplomats, Melania Trump decided to forgo a head covering when she visited the capital of Saudi Arabia - a luxury yet to be extended to other foreign women, or the kingdom's female residents.

In 2013, Donald Trump criticised Michelle Obama for not wearing a head scarf in Saudi Arabia.

Diplomatic protocol dictates that as the spouse of a foreign leader, Melania was not expected by the Saudis to wear the covering.

On Wednesday, moving onto to the third leg of Donald Trump's world tour 2K17, the First Family visited Pope Francis, in Vatican City.

Visitors to Vatican City are asked to keep their shoulders covered, and their skirts below the knee. Head coverings are not expected of visitors to the papal state.

Melania Trump and Ivanka Trump did however, wear head coverings.

Melania wore a mantilla - a lace head scarf in her audience with Pope Francis.



During the presidential campaign of 2016, Pope Francis called the President's border wall policy 'not Christian'.

In the social and civil context as well, I appeal not to create walls but to build bridges, to not respond to evil with evil. To defeat evil with good, the offence with forgiveness. A Christian would never say 'you will pay for that.' Never.

At the time, Donald Trump responded by saying the Pope's questioning of his faith was 'disgraceful'.

During a debate with his opponent Hillary Clinton, Trump criticised her for accepting donations to the Clinton Foundation from Saudi Arabia.

His criticism cited the character of the Saudi Arabian regime:

These are people that push gays…off buildings. These are people that kill women and treat women horribly and yet you take their money.

Mr Trump recently signed off on a $100 billion Saudi arms deal.

HT The Week

https://www.indy100.com/article/melania-trump-ivanka-pope-francis-vatican-head-covering-saudi-arabia-7752751

There is no big deal there. Trump only came to soudi to sign an arm deal not to respect anyone. The soudis knew that if they reject them, that all. It going to be a top headlines for all news papers and the soudis have to drink their oil themselves. So in orther to continue the war in yemen and the tensions in iran over soudi threat to them, the arm deal need to be signed not respect for a religon.

The most funniest one is the first lady shaking hands with the king. I thought soudi kings don't shook hands with women. The king even gave trump a medal just to please him. So you see, it not about respect, 8t about the money. That all

impossible27:
There is no big deal there. Trump only came to soudi to sign an arm deal not to respect anyone. The soudis knew that if they reject them, that all. It going to be a top headlines for all news papers and the soudis have to drink their oil themselves. So in orther to continue the war in yemen and the tensions in iran over soudi threat to them, the arm deal need to be signed not respect for a religon.

The most funniest one is the first lady shaking hands with the king. I thought soudi kings don't shook hands with women. The king even gave trump a medal just to please him. So you see, it not about respect, 8t about the money. That all

No mind the guy. No single soul even know an for Saudi. He dey here dey holla. Maybe na him wan give Saudi money to run there government and arms to strengthen their military against religious fanatics like him. Abi na allah go buy saudi oil and help fight isis?