reservations? it is ludicrous!!!

nicetohave, what is ludicrous about a theory of evolution that is not water-tight.

Geez:

nferyn, I'm not a scientist by profession or career but I can tell you that evolutionists are beginning to see evidence that contracdicts their theory,

What evidence contradicts the Theory of Evolution? there is none. Which evolutionists (this is actually a term only used by creationists when addressing people that follow the evidence of the Theory of Evolution.

Geez:

hence biologist like Micheal Behe

Michael Behe is not a biologist, but a biochemist. Close enough, but not exactly the same. he has not been able to publish one article on Intelligent Design in a peer reviewed journal.

Geez:

and others are finally coming out of the closet of having to accept falsehoods in science.

Who else? What falsehoods?

Geez:

I am not against science but against claims that are wrong.

Which claims are wrong and on what basis do you falsify these claims. assertion is neither evidence, nor proof.

Geez:

According to Dr. Michael Behe of University of Lehigh, the complexity of protein structure alone does not support the theory of evolution.

You really must love the guy Anyway, from what I have read about him, he is quite amicable
His claims however are thoroughly refuted

Geez:

I will read your reference but I will not be surprised to read the same old arguments that are now being disproved.

Please do, then you will understand that no same old arguments have been disproved at all. Could you please be explicit about what these same old arguments are? How else can I indicate that they have not been disproved?

Geez:

I am a trained engineer and I have worked closely with scientists in the medical field for many years. Many have reservations on the theory of evolution.

Now I understand it better. Have you worked with working medical practitioners or with scientists working in the medical field (e.g. doing research in pharmacology)? The mindset needed to be a good medical doctor is at least partially opposite to that of a scientist (e.g. as a medical doctor you cannot wait until the evidence is scientifically substantial enough, you have to go by your experience and gut feeling). And as an engineer, you will have undoubtedly sensed the tension between the departments of Civil Engineering and those of Physics at the University, haven't you?
But even here, it does not really matter. Only evidence speaks. I have seen plenty in favor of the Theory of Evolution and none in favor of Intelligent Design or any other variation of Creationism.

nicetohave:

Ludicrous__amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity,exaggeration, or eccentricity__meriting derisive laughter or scorn.

Regardless of your scorn, you have not presented one piece of evidence that falsifies the Theory of Evolution. Your assertions are wholly without merit.

As a sidenote, can you, as a medical doctor, explain how bacteria become resistant against some antibiotics? What mechanism changes those bacteria to enable their resistance?

all of that on this forum nferyn? are you getting as ludicrous as your theory too?

if all that is presented here is not enough evidence of God's existence and the reference material i suggested to you to authenticate the viability of the power that keeps the world in its orbit, one out of many, you cant even even take the pain to read....then i have no further evidence to give to you, when the time comes you shall confess with your mouth his Lordship.

Please do not use your tongue to count your teeth- Mysummeri and nferyn
Do not say i did not tell you.
If you bring the wrath of GOD upon you for saying that  '' You Do Not Believe in God''
Na you sabi.

nicetohave:

all of that on this forum nferyn? are you getting as ludicrous as your theory too?

Once more - and you continue circling the main question - where is the theory ludicrous and for what reason? Your talk is empty.

nicetohave:

if all that is presented here is not enough evidence of God's existence and the reference material i suggested to you to authenticate the viability of the power that keeps the world in its orbit, one out of many, you can't even even take the pain to read.then i have no further evidence to give to you, when the time comes you shall confess with your mouth his Lordship.

1. What has been presented cannot - by any stretch of the imagination - be considered evidence for God's existence.
2. The power that keeps the world in orbit is the power of gravity. No further Deus ex Machina [/i]needed.
3. How can I even consider reading a book in print you have presented to me yesterday. There are only 24 hours in a day and a limited set of bookshops around that carry English language books. I will read it if you enter the debate with something of substance, just like [i]Geez [/i]tried to do
3. I have gone over all the articles [i]Geez [/i]presented. You have not shown that you went over any of the urls I presented
4. Obviously, when you say that [i]i have no further evidence to give to you you are just admitting defeat on the arguments. It is sad for your belief that you can only bring so weak a case.
5. The argumentation needs to be much stronger to make me confess with [my] mouth his Lordship. The only ones that have been able to touch a nerve here are the Muslims on this board and [i]RhondaRose [/i]at times. All arguments by you or other apologists have more in common with my son talking about monsters in his bedroom than with an actual intellectual debate.

I do not assume defeat, i am just following instructions of the bible "after the first and second exhortation we are advise to leave the rest to God" you have heard enough of our empty words, it is left to the almighty himself to water it in you....it is not my job to convince you, it is his job to do so, that is why my words seem empty.

Define gravity nferyn? what is the measure of gravity of earth, on pluto and on mars? what about the sun?

nicetohave:

Define gravity nferyn? what is the measure of gravity of earth, on pluto and on mars? what about the sun?

Do you want me to quote an introductory textbook in physics? If that is your requirement, I can certainly do so. What actually is the point of this? Are you saying that it is not gravity that is keeping the world in orbit around the sun?

nicetohave:

I do not assume defeat, i am just following instructions of the bible "after the first and second exhortation we are advise to leave the rest to God" you have heard enough of our empty words, it is left to the almighty himself to water it in you.it is not my job to convince you, it is his job to do so, that is why my words seem empty.

Yes and I'm probably wicked and evil if I do not put my intelligence in limbo (or maybe I am not entitled to use Catholic phraseology ) and just accept the Eternal Truth (c) ?

I am sure you know what gravity is, i just want you to tell me so i can draw your attention to something....but first you must tell me the effect of gravity on earth, mars, pluto and the sun YOURSELF

I will, the moment you answer the question I asked before:

nferyn:

As a sidenote, can you, as a medical doctor, explain how bacteria become resistant against some antibiotics? What mechanism changes those bacteria to enable their resistance?

Like I have said before, I like to be on the safer side. That's why I have chosen to believe God. So if he exists, I have nothing to lose and if he doesn't exist, I still have nothing to lose.

that is not a stand IAH, you are saying you dont know for sure he exists....it puts you in the same league with nferyn.

That IS a stand! I have said I believe God...I was only telling you the reason behind my belief.

[size=17pt]I'd rather believe in God with all my heart, die, and find out HE doesn't exist; than not believe at all, die and find out HE exists. [/size]

Tell them o

All you people seem to be driven by an irrational fear of death.
I wonder....

i know that this will cause offence but...

Fear appears to be the definitive feeling when people talk about unsubstantiated religious 'belief'. 

It's unsuprising, considering a lot of people have been taught, from birth, that if they refuse to conform and accept said 'beliefs' then they will spend an eternity in 'hell'; supposedly an unimaginably horrid place (made by an all loving God?).

The other issue (that I can think of now) regarding fear is that those who refuse the religion of those around them could be ostracised...

The other issue (that I can think of now) regarding fear is that those who refuse the religion of those around them could be ostracised...

and that fear shouldnt be strong enough to topple their conviction in the existence and sovereignity of God, if indeed they do believe in him at the first instance.

nicetohave:

and that fear shouldnt be strong enough to topple their conviction in the existence and sovereignity of God, if indeed they do believe in him at the first instance.

It is that fear that makes them believe in the first place.

Nicetohave, would you be so kind to answer my question if you have the time?

Nferny, can you answer a simple question

' If you are twenty two years today, where were you twenty three years ago'
' Do you remember the day you were born into this world '
' As a person, did you make any contribution to your emergence in the world '

These are questions that can lead one to God for those who have doubt in him.

@nferyn, i will answer your question just be on the lookout on the thread....ok? you want to know the mechanism of resistance? and then you'll answer about gravity....tomorrow most likely.

nuru:

Nferny, can you answer a simple question

' If you are twenty two years today, where were you twenty three years ago'

Nowhere. I did not exist

nuru:

' Do you remember the day you were born into this world '

Nobody does

nuru:

' As a person, did you make any contribution to your emergence in the world '

These are questions that can lead one to God for those who have doubt in him.

Of course I didn't. I was not actively involved in my coming to this world

Hi nferyn,

got some to time to answer your question even though i still cant see how it applies to this present discussion:

The Mechanism of drug resistance: now any organism can develop resistance to any substance, even humans....it simply means they are no longer sensitive to it , "desensitization" simply put. Now this is the mechanism, when repeated suboptimal doses of any substance, compound or drug are used then instead of the drug achieving its therapeutic or deleterious effect as the case may be, it becomes incorporated in the organisms genetic material, commonly the DNA and then even when a full dose or optimal dose is subsequently used it will never achieve its therapeutic effect anymore....reason why there are widesread antibiotic resistance because people use antibiotics for any and everything, and even when they do they use it in suboptimal doses and because we are constantly exposed to all these bacterias, viruses, fungi, parasites etc, (remember we only come down with the disease when our immunity falls, or when there is a sudden increase in the load of these organisms in us) then resistance has been effected and the drug in effect "fails" to work, so newer ones has to be found and then the same fate soon or late will befall that too.

Remember i said "resistance" can occur with human too, a simple example is allergy, allergies to a particular substance are often cured by exposing an individual to repeated suboptimal concentration of the allergen and with time it is incorporated in the DNA of the individual and his allergy is in essence "cured" it is called systematic desensitization

Did all these make any sense to you? anyway can you answer my question now and how this relates to our present discussion?

maybe it's me but all that stuff about drug resistance seems pretty 'off-topic' ...