triplec93:
Disfellowshiped young man i knw ur pains, i've met persons like you before, frm ur post it shows u still attend meetings but ur heart is overwhelmed by guilt and an ill heart, it is so sad ur parents and siblings are active witnesses, maybe because of still being an old toddler at home i.e ur parents still fending for u, u are afraid of leaving the house and facing the world. Pls broda beg Jah for forgiveness He loves you and you can always be reconciled with him, learn to have an humble heart and you would gain ur lost joy and get free from this frustration. Best wishes to you and learn to be more responsible.

triplec93:
i.e ur parents still fending for u, u are afraid of leaving the house and facing the world.

damariox:


I walked away and never looked back. What pains do you think you can relate? Loosing your university funding and family because you spoke against the organization... I was disfellowshipped at first hearing and I wanted to cancel my baptism during that annoying sitting only to be stunned more that it is non revocable (am stuck for life!) and disfellowshipping must happen.. Then I was convinced the so called "only Spirit organization" is nothing but a cult

No doubt you can agree with me too from your comment (the line i marked red) that leaving jw society means that- all your family and friends who you depend on ,will leave you alone to fend for yourself and probably won't care about you or say a greeting to you.
Thanks for making that so clear here

damariox:
One question for you sir..
If i quit been a jehovahs witness but remain a christain are my still not dedicated to jehovah?

achorladey:

Are you still conversant with the baptismal questions at all?

achorladey:

Are you still conversant with the baptismal questions at all?

damariox:
One question for you sir..
If i quit been a jehovahs witness but remain a christain are my still not dedicated to jehovah?

damariox:


Moreover those are not the questions i asked you.. Don't try to shy away

damariox:


The ones in the organized book with answers right there in the surface? Is that one a question?

damariox:
One question for you sir..
If i quit been a jehovahs witness but remain a christain are my still not dedicated to jehovah?

achorladey:

13 There is no way to undo a dedication vow, taking back what we promised God. If a person tires of serving Jehovah or of living a Christian way of life, he cannot claim that he was never really dedicated and that his baptism was invalid.
* To all intents and purposes, he presented himself as one who was wholly dedicated to God.

achorladey:

13 [s]There is no way to undo a dedication vow, taking back what we promised God.[/s] If a person tires of serving Jehovah or of living a Christian way of life, he cannot claim that he was never really dedicated and that his baptism was invalid.
* [s]To all intents and purposes, he presented himself as one who was wholly dedicated to God[/s].

damariox:
And how did ones dedication to be baptized as a jehovah witness become an unbreakable vow to jehovah (the creator of a universe)





This is simply why jehovahs witness organization is a cult! Someone can't just safely quit membership because they've been brainwashed to believe that promises to be a jehovahs witness is not just an ordinary full member sign up, is an unbreakable bonding with the creator of the universe who have chosen jehovahs witness amongst millions of religious organizations.. Remain in your foolishness and arrogant assumptions sir


There's no point arguing with an over filled cup who thinks he's gotten the truth

damariox:



[/Children not legally old enough to get a driver's license, get married, have children, drink alcohol, sign for their own medical care are being held to a baptism. Idiots! The reason they can't do any of those other things is because they're not mature enough to make adult commitments. But, yeah, let's make them accountable for making an adult decision as a child.

damariox:
And how did ones dedication to be baptized as a jehovah witness become an unbreakable vow to jehovah (the creator of a universe)





This is simply why jehovahs witness organization is a cult! Someone can't just safely quit membership because they've been brainwashed to believe that promises to be a jehovahs witness is not just an ordinary full member sign up, is an unbreakable bonding with the creator of the universe who have chosen jehovahs witness amongst millions of religious organizations.. Remain in your foolishness and arrogant assumptions sir


There's no point arguing with an over filled cup who thinks he's gotten the truth

damariox:
Let's put it this way @achorladey

You were born into a ridiculous/pagan family, your family have sworn an oath prior to your birth that you will inherit their devotional to those deities. No doubt your family has proofs and evidences that there believe system is the "truth"... Also ponder over it, as your getting older you realize that your parents has sold you into it or you've prematurely sworn allegiance to serve your family God's... How will you feel if you find out that those vows are unbreakable and no going back? Likewise you should be full of gratitude of that unique opportunity of been born into or dedicated into that religion??

No when pure deep non sided analysis are applied to your responses its very obvious jehovahs witness organization does not regard freedom of religion and worship , although they earnestly and viciously seek for rights to freedom of worshipping all over the world they don't apply it to its members... They don't tolerate interfaith or marrying outside the organization to avoid members considering other faiths teachings .... Well to make it simple Christianity is not about following any sect or church is about following the way of Jesus Christ...
Our leader Christ Jesus while alive never instituted any religion before his death and neither did his apostles but this
James 1:27 ►
New International Version
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

This is the most crucial need or fundamentals of application of christainity and its never following interpretations of certain men or a man. For jehovahs witness organization, the leaders don't just simply interprete the Bible they claim the are "spirit directed by jehovah" so every interpretation they give is from jehovah himself.. So the watchtower or governing body have glorified themselves that it's members when they look up to them does not see men attempting to make there the Bible suit there worldview but they see jehovah himself in them.... That's why the are totalitarians (check the meaning) and they've gotten to a level of a cult as well

damariox:
Let's put it this way @achorladey

Consider You were born into a ridiculous/pagan family, your family have sworn an oath prior to your birth that you will inherit / renew their sacred oaths to those deities. No doubt your family has proofs and evidences that there believe system is the "truth"... Also ponder over it, cus as your getting older you realize that your parents has sold you into it or you've prematurely sworn allegiance to serve your family god's .. How will you feel if you find out that those vows are unbreakable and no going back? Likewise you should be full of gratitude of that unique opportunity of been born into or dedicated into that religion??

No! when pure deep non sided analysis are applied to your responses its very obvious jehovahs witness organization does not regard freedom of religion and worship , although they earnestly and viciously seek for rights to freedom of worshipping all over the world but they don't apply it to its members... They don't tolerate interfaith or marrying outside the organization to avoid members considering other faiths teachings .... Well to make it simple Christianity is not about following any sect or church is about following the way of Jesus Christ...
Our leader Christ Jesus while alive never instituted any religion before his death and neither did his apostles but this
James 1:27 ►
New International Version
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

This is the most crucial need or fundamentals or application of christainity and its never following interpretations of certain men or a man. For jehovahs witness organization, the leaders don't just simply interprete the Bible they claim the are "spirit directed by jehovah" so every interpretation they give is from jehovah himself.. So the watchtower or governing body have glorified themselves that it's members when they look up to them does not see men attempting to make the Bible suit there worldview but they see jehovah himself in them.... That's why the are totalitarians (check the meaning) and they've gotten to a level of a cult as well


On those notes I hope you can understand why is wrong to apply christain apostasy or shunning to one quiting membership as a jehovah witness (unless it's a cult), he didn't quit serving Jehovah or been a Christian but he's quitting been a member... This I hope should make my points clear.

So if jehovahs witness are meant to believe that me quitting membership is quitting christainity in its entirety and such i deserves to be shuned they've been totally mind controlled cus it can't be backed up in the christain Bible hence they have been blinded enough not to realize this case, since they've been occupied to assertain consistently that jehovahs witness is the only organization representing jehovah on earth and not individual people who are righteous and following the way of Christ
Corinthians 6:19 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

achorladey:

W[s]hen one makes a vow at one time in his life and viewed it as a surface thing now. Nothing left to say. I know you might have had a good look at psalms cited before. If you think deeply you would have known that if you have made a vow(with facts available at that time) and your not ready to uphold it because you have realised you vowed wrongly(present facts now available) then you should know that consequences awa[/s]it

damariox:


That is exactly what the article suggests.. There's no going back when one has decided to fully become a jehovahs witness.. You cannot say you weren't in your right minds or your baptism was invalid, you must live and die a Jw.
Stop pretending, when a Jw disconnects with jw or joins another religion, what does he become? An apostate and now do you treat an apostate

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w06 1/15 pp. 21-25
Do Not Allow Place for the Devil
“Do not give the Devil a chance.”—EPHESIANS 4:27, Byington.


[b]Resist the Foremost Apostate

12, 13. How should we treat apostates?

12 The spirit creature who became the Devil was once in the truth. But “he did not stand fast in the truth,” said Jesus, “because truth is not in him.” (John 8:44) This foremost apostate has pursued a relentless course of resistance to “the God of truth.” Some first-century Christians fell into “the snare of the Devil,” apparently becoming his victims because of being misled and deviating from the truth. So Paul urged his coworker Timothy to instruct them with mildness so that they might recover spiritually and get free from Satan’s snare. (2 Timothy 2:23-26) Of course, it is much better to cling firmly to the truth and not be ensnared by apostate views in the first place.

13 Because of listening to the Devil and not rejecting his lies, the first human pair apostatized. So, then, should we listen to apostates, read their literature, or examine their Web sites on the Internet? If we love God and the truth, we will not do so. We should not allow apostates into our homes or even greet them, for such actions would make us ‘sharers in their wicked works.’ (2 John 9-11) May we never succumb to the Devil’s wiles by abandoning the Christian “path of truth” to follow false teachers who seek to “introduce ruinous ideologies” and try to ‘exploit us with well-turned phrases.’—2 Peter 2:1-3, Byington.[/b]

damariox:


A baptism is a bath, not a contract. No one is held to a bath.Witnesses gave me a bath when I was 11. They can't collect one thing from me. No debt is owed, nothing is paid. So if you you guys take baths seriously like contracts with dire consequences like shunning and loosing ones family and friends .. That must be a cult!

achorladey:

13 There is no way to undo a dedication vow, taking back what we promised God. If a person tires of serving Jehovah or of living a Christian way of life, he cannot claim that he was never really dedicated and that his baptism was invalid.
* To all intents and purposes, he presented himself as one who was wholly dedicated to God. He will be accountable before Jehovah and the congregation for any serious sins that he may commit. (Rom. 14:12 ) May it never be said of us that ‘we left the love we had at first.’ Instead, we want Jesus to be able to say of us: “I know your deeds, and your love and faith and ministry and endurance, and that your deeds of late are more than those you did at first.” ( Rev. 2:4, 19 ) May we zealously continue to live up to our dedication vow—to Jehovah’s delight.
This is the paragraph in question. Break it down pieces by pieces let me see how well you understand this. You can chose to highlight each sentence.

damariox:



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Rewriting the paragraph to actually reflect its true meaning and intent and to show the situation that would really present itself when face with watchtower’s judicial committee, this paragraph would actually read:

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‘Once you have made the vow referred to in paragraph 13 to be baptized into the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses, it is not possible to take it back without our permission. And it can only happen through your written note of disassociation or by us disfellowshipping you. A person who becomes tired of serving or that has come to realized he was baptized into the organization and would not accept it, cannot later say that he was never really dedication to God and that his baptism was not valid…If a person baptized as a Jehovah’s witness breaks any of our law on what we call sin, the he is accountable to us. We don’t want Jesus statement to apply to you “that you have left the love you had at first” irrespective of any reason. Instead, we want to be able to say of you “I know your deeds, and your love and faith and ministry and endurance, and that your deeds of late are more than those you did at first.” (Revelation 2:4, 19) We want you to make us happy that you are zealously living up to your vow.’

Footnote: Since the elders considered many of our doctrines, with you and you accepted them, before they decided you can be baptized into our organization, it would be had for us to declare your baptism to be invalid, infact, it rarely happens.
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Now, why would the organization bring the issue of baptism validity, being tired to serve “Jehovah”, being held accountable? Let’s look at the following real life scenarios that has happened in so many places,

SCENARIO 1:

A baptized member of the organization has woken up to the fact that the organization is not true, neither do they have the truth as contained in the bible. His research has led him to discover the whitewashing and coverup of false teachings. He has come to the fact that the 1914 doctrine is not true, neither is there any solid scriptural backing, that it is simply a concept created and since it has been wrong from the beginning, it has led to many other false teachings, two example being “this generation” teaching leading to “overlapping generation”, and the increase in memorial partakers leading to the organization abandoning their earlier false teaching of a setting a certain date for heavenly sealing to being complete in 1935. *

What does he do? From his research on the experiences of other JWs that have already woken, he realized that mentioning those things to other witness would immediate end him the apostate name. Since he has come to such realization, he researched further led him to discover more. Probably, he has also come to the realization that the organization’s teachings about birthdays or Christmas celebration has no scriptural back, that it is simple a case of men trying to know more than God and making rules where God himself never did and he convince himself that what is most important is the attitude displayed, not the celebration itself. (Please see my article on Christmas/birthday https://www.nairaland.com/3575389/should-true-christians-celebrate-birthdays )

Since he knows that there are only two ways he can end his contract with the organization, both ways having the same result of shunning and being seen as dead. He decided to fade out of the organization. He has not attended meetings for years, has no sort of association with Jehovah’s witnesses, probably, as done by many, has moved to a different town.

Based on his believe and knowledge that birthday celebration is not bad or condemned in the scriptures, he attended one or have one himself. Then, this information is brought to the knowledge of the local congregation and the elders showed up in his residence. They invite him to a judicial committee to answer questions. He can choose to attend the hearing or ignore, knowing fully well that both will have the same result. He chooses to not pass through the stress of Judicial hearing, the elders inform him that a decision will be taken against him. Then, it is announced in the meetings that he has been disfellowship.

SCENARIO 2:

When the elders showed up in his door, and invited him to the judicial hearing, and he decides he is not going to attend and neither has he been a Jehovah’s Witness for years. Then the elder hand him a written note to sign his disassociation, then it is announced to the congregation.

Now looking at the paragraph, to see how this actually plays out in real life situation;

Though not clearly stated in the paragraph, in practice, as long as you are baptized into the Jehovah’s Witness Organization, ‘once you had made that vow’, it is not possible to take it back on your own terms, even if you have faded away quietly and not been a problem to anyone, for hundreds of years. Like the individual Christian in the two scenarios presented above, even as he has faded from the organization for years, and no longer believes watchtower’s doctrine, if ever he is found to engage in what watchtower calls ‘sin’-birthday celebration, Christmas, blood transfusion-the paragraph says, ‘you are still accountable to the organization’ and they will deal with you.

Jessicha:


Am sorry, But I seriously need to ask ; Do you have comprehension issues ?

" Cannot later say " doesn't mean cannot leave for comprehension sake it simply means such a person cannot SAY he was never at a time dedicated to God Almighty, because to dedicate . a person MUST personally went into prayer to tell God I have come to OBEY and do your will , Since God requires Exclusive Devotion ( Deu 5:9) .


Can a person who has done this at a point in their lives later say they never Dedicate their lives to serve God forever ? that would be a Lie! therefore a person who has once dedicate their lives to God cannot revoke that fact.

damariox:
Fact 101