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Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by valboy20(m): 9:20am On Jun 26, 2017
Now on the issue of his execution. Crucifixion was a Roman form of execution reserved for brigands, attempted escape from slavery and sedition. Jesus was neither of the first two. It makes sense he was executed on accounts of sedition given his new Jewish movement and incessant talks about the advent of a new kingdom that'll rule over Israel and that means overthrowing the roman rule. If Jesus crimes were against the Jewish authorities they would have punished him themselves, remember Stephen.

The gospel writers all followed Mark's account which was written after the failed Jewish revolt. The author of Mark had to downplay any connection with Jesus and the uprising so the Jewish leaders were made villains and the Roman's whitewashed.

Lastly look at the charges brought against Jesus
“And they began to accuse him, saying, ‘We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Christ, a king. . . . He stirs up the people all over Judea by his teaching. He started in Galilee and has come all the way here’ ” ( Luke 23:2, 5 )

Finally Jesus cross had an inscription, "King of the Jews"

All these points to the real reason why Jeebus was executed —sedition. If you wanna go ahead and believe in magical stories, your business.
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by IKC10(m): 9:46am On Jun 26, 2017
valboy20:


Your arguments are pretty weak bro. You just said it yourself 'he CLAIMED equality with God.'
Sir, you should know the usage of that English word there.

valboy20:

Claims are not evidence.
Jesus didn't have mere claims, His led to His death. Did you ever know, sir, that He actually fulfilled His Words? For example, He said He would die and rise again, and He did exactly that
valboy20:
Mohammed claimed Jesus wasn't divine.
Sir, anybody can claim anything and that thing wouldn't take probably a single minute to be disproved, you know this! Sir, but when it comes to Jesus' case, it can't be so easily disproved So, in conclusion, we should take Jesus' case differently because no one has been able to do one over a trillion of what He did. If you doubt His divinity, then you should be able to disprove the writings of atheist, pagan, Jewish, Islamic, secular, and Christian historians about Him. You see, I don't think you can, sir. And lastly, with all due respect sir, Do You Believe There Was A Man Called Jesus Christ, who walked this earth over 2000 years ago? Even in the Quran, it I clearly stated that Jesus is "The Spirit of Allah." So, if Jesus is the Spirit of Allah, whom the Quran claims is divine, how come Jesus, His Spirit isn't divine? Tell me sir, since you were talking about the Quran. See, sir, everything proves Jesus' divinity.

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Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by valboy20(m): 10:01am On Jun 26, 2017
IKC10:


Jesus didn't have mere claims, His led to His death. Did you ever know, sir, that He actually fulfilled His Words. For example, He said He would die and rise again, and He did exactly that

No, he didn't fulfill anything. Jesus resurrection has no historical basis. No evidence. No eye witness. Nobody saw Jesus bodily rising from the dead. The Bible has a religious agenda and can't be trusted here. Where's the independent source for Jesus resurrection devoid of Christian forgery? Good luck with that.

Sir, anybody can claim anything and that thing wouldn't take probably a single minute to be disproved, you know this! Sir, but when it comes to Jesus' case, it can't be so easily disproved

Logic is obvious not your Forte bro. How can you make a claim and ask people to disprove it. You claim that Jesus bodily rose from death and you're also asserting that nobody has been able to disprove it. The onus is on you to shut the doubters up by showing us evidence for Jesus resurrection. Don't even go the shroud of Turin route if you don't want me to devour you
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by IKC10(m): 10:17am On Jun 26, 2017
valboy20:
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by valboy20(m): 10:36am On Jun 26, 2017
IKC10:


we should take Jesus' case differently because no one has been able to do one over a trillion of what He did.

Please disprove Mohammed claim that God doesn't have a son. I'm really trying so hard not to curse you and your stupid logic

If you doubt His divinity, then you should be able to disprove the writings of atheist, pagan, Jewish, Islamic, secular, and Christian historians about Him. You see, I don't think you can, sir.

Disprove the writings? Whatever that means. Jesus historicity is not a doubt in the scholarly circle, this I'm aware of. But that's where it end. No historian attest to Jesus resurrection so I don't know what you yapping about exactly. Actually I was gonna scream 'argument from authority fallacy' but then you might claim they're experts so I'll indulge your fallacious thinking line, If you have any peer reviewed literature that agreed that Jesus resurrection was historical please bring it forward or quit this inane argument already.

[/b] And lastly, [b] with all due respect sir, Do You Believe There Was A Man Called Jesus Christ, who walked this earth over 2000 years ago?

See question. He's obviously not reading my post but just grasping at straws. This is where I call it quit since you have nothing to say but keep going round and re-asking answered questions. Your case is just an issue of indoctrination. You have no rational arguments for Jesus divinity let alone proving he created the universe. Adios
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by IKC10(m): 11:02am On Jun 26, 2017
valboy20:
So, you do know about the Shroud of Tourin? Let me tell you sir, the early historians never disproved His resurrection, so, what do you mean? Now, if you call it quits, then I pray for you, my dear, that my God will open your eyes one day in Jesus' name.

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Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:08pm On Jun 27, 2017
valboy20:


Your arguments are pretty weak bro. You just said it yourself 'he CLAIMED equality with God.'
Claims are not evidence. Mohammed claimed Jesus wasn't divine. A tribe in Congo claimed their god Bumba vomited our world into existence. Since you're this credulous, why don't you believe their claims? Simple answer is, you wasn't indoctrinated with those claims. Lol.
You have to adduce something for your claims if you truly want anybody to take you serious.

There's nothing new about the supernatural and mythical embellishments in Jesus story. It's a composite of many literature available to the first century ex pagan Christian mythographers. He was the healing god Aesclepius; the solar hero Hercules, who ascended to heaven amidst a number of witnesses. He was the man transformed by an apotheosis death, like Romulus of ancient Rome, the dying and rising Osiris, king of kings, whose treacherous brother betrayed him at his last supper. He was the dangerous child who posed a threat to the local tyrant and was hastened to safety, as was also the case with the more ancient Krishna of India, Moses of Israel and Sargon of Babylonia. He was the twice-born giver of wine and life, Dionysus. He was the child whose imminent birth was announced by divine dreams, oracles and angels, as was the case with Pythagoras, Buddha and Alexander the Great, to name just a few more ancient examples. If we can easily dismiss those stories, why should we treat Jesus' case differently.

So brother how did you know Jesus was God outside the grandiose tales in the holey babble? Or are you this credulous?

There is historical evidence of Christ's life and resurrection and that's why it is different .

End of story .

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Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by IKC10(m): 8:38am On Jun 29, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


There is historical evidence of Christ's life and resurrection and that's why it is different .

End of story .
Good you said that sir. Thank God you believe Jesus is the creator of the universe!

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Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by valboy20(m): 8:27am On Jun 30, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


There is historical evidence of Christ's life and resurrection and that's why it is different .

End of story .

Lol. You mean the myriads of tombs or the 13th century forged shroud of Turin? Please point me to it. And if you say the Bible, I'll kick you in the belly. I'm waiting hombre
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by Slikbae: 11:45am On Jun 30, 2017
Maybe you should google what incoherent means. You clearly have no knowledge of it.
Immorttal:
IKC10 you are still learning work grin
even felixomor and bubu will laugh at this post, soo incoherent. Dont waste your time on the part 2, save your strenght bro happy sunday wink

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Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by sonofmanj3(m): 1:21pm On Jun 30, 2017
Do you know in the scripture Jesus is the one known as the king of kings lord of Lords Jesus is referred to as the beginning and the end the alpha and omega this are the character of God in Hebrew God referred to Jesus as God this is God calling God. In John he is referred to as the creator of all things in Isaiah he is known as the everlasting father. This is God revealed in the name of Jesus until you know Jesus as God then you don't know God yet.

http//truebelieversnow..com.ng
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by IKC10(m): 5:12pm On Jul 07, 2017
sonofmanj3:
Do you know in the scripture Jesus is the one known as the king of kings lord of Lords Jesus is referred to as the beginning and the end the alpha and omega this are the character of God in Hebrew God referred to Jesus as God this is God calling God. In John he is referred to as the creator of all things in Isaiah he is known as the everlasting father. This is God revealed in the name of Jesus until you know Jesus as God then you don't know God yet. http//truebelieversnow..com.ng
That's true bro! God bless you sir.
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by ScienceWatch: 3:08pm On Aug 16, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!

It is just not fair to pretend that you have "PROOF" when all you have is "PROPAGANDA."

It makes Christians look foolish.

WHAT ALL FALSE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES HAVE IN COMMON, BY DEFINITION, IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE LORD'S TEACHINGS TO BE SAVED.
Could one also say that the way pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye (aka Prince Aroloye of Inandre, Nigeria) has been preaching that Satanic Nagualism and Criminal Scientology supports Christianity, makes Christians look foolish ?

Or are the facts that the founder and god of Criminal Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard a convicted criminal just mere propaganda ?
Well, It is well known and backed with legal records that L.Ron Hubbard and his wife was found guilty in a high court and he was sentenced to 4 yrs in prison but he cowardly escaped while his loving wife went to prison a lone. Their son Ron DeWolf was so ashamed that he changed his name and lost his inheritance of his dads billion dollar fortunes and thousands of royalties.

The son of Criminal Scientology, Ron DeWolf exposed his own dad, My father L.Ron Hubbard conned people out of their money, used Satanic black magic, distributed drugs from his church, and took sexual advantage of the church’s young female followers, I was invited to participate in private Sex orgies with my dad and three or four innocent young girls at the alter of his church. "My father’s theory was that one has to open or crack a girls soul in order for the satanic power of Lucifer to pour through it and into him," Dewolf said in a recent magazine interview. "It got kind of weird, culminating in a variety of violent sex acts. Dad also had an incredibly violent temper. He was into S&M (Violent sex acts) and would beat his mistresses and shoot them full of drugs." His father used amphetamines and cocaine, DeWolf says, plus other hallucinogens.

The women of the Satanic cult serving L. Ron Hubbard, says his son Ron DeWolf, "were very good at doing the dirty work, at running money or drugs back and forth from the church. They were very good in any of the dirty tricks-department, because of the demand for absolutely totally slavish devotion to L. Ron Hubbard.
Current members of Scientology are horrified at these stories of their church, especially since the tales are told by the actual son of the sect’s founder. And the son DeWolf himself admits that the drug abuse and Satanic black magic rites "were more like side-by-side with with Scientology.”

Pastor you are determined to make Christians look foolish. It is time to stop your crap because Fraudulent Nagualism and Criminal Scientology is making you look very, very stupid.
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by BlueAngel444: 3:49pm On Aug 16, 2017
This generation hasn't grown wiser but more confused.

This universe began by a big bang. That big bang was caused by what?

God

God did a big bang, a sound, a word and that big bang is the Word of God that Word became flesh and lived still He's 30s dead and rose

But the sons of belial will never consent, they seek to create a mystery, a knowledge that has no root nor in the truth.

99% of science is evolved ancient studies, yet they claim to be wiser than their own fathers
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by wolesmile(m): 6:01pm On Aug 16, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
Some Christians don't know this . Jesus is actually the creator of the universe and pre-incarnate Jesus communicated with Adam and Eve at the Garden (that's if you take with the creation story literally ) , he became a friend to Abraham and is the God Abraham actually worshipped . So the Abrahamic religions - Christians , Muslims , and Jews - through the apt understanding of the scriptures are actually worshiping Jesus Christ . Its crazy right ?
Nah! It ain't crazy. You, on the other hand, are crazy. You need help.
Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:03pm On Aug 16, 2017
wolesmile:
Nah! It ain't crazy. You, on the other hand, are crazy. You need help.

https://www.nairaland.com/3493419/researches-reveal-atheism-devastating-effects

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Re: Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by wolesmile(m): 6:12pm On Aug 16, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


https://www.nairaland.com/3493419/researches-reveal-atheism-devastating-effects
See as I dey laff. You think I'm an atheist, right?
Error!!!
I am a Sufi Muslim. You can't match my level of asceticism.

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