It is widespread on social media and on peoples' mind that Angels have been caught on camera.
Islam is the religion of Allah and He never negotiated with anyone while He sent down the legislation. What we are ordered to do is strictly adhere to the legislation. ie worship Him alone and be guided by Qur'an and Sunnah.

We must remember that arkanul iman are six in number namely
1. Belief in the Oneness of Allah
2. Belief in His Angels
3. Belief in His Books
4. Belief in His Prophets
5. Belief in Judgement Day
6. Belief in Al-Qadr

These pillars of Iman are therefore a legislation from Allah to fulfill and worship Him alone. We must also note that these arkanul iman must be protected in the heart, tongue and actions,

Now, believing in Angel caught on camera is like believing that alqadr, Judgement Day, Prohets and others can be caught on camera. This is ridiculing and belying arkanul iman. Along with believing in the existence of Angels, we must believe in their description, attributes, orders and their ways of existence as it is legislated in the Qur'an.

And there are other authentic evidence from which it is clear that the angels can be seen, but only in the form in which Allah commands them to appear; and then everyone that Allah decrees should see them will see them.

The one who claims that he sees the angels in their original form is a liar or is delusional. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) saw Jibreel in his true form, filling the horizon with six hundred wings. Who can claim that he saw him at that time? Thus it is clear that there is no one among this ummah who can see the angels in their true form except the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). As for children, they are like other people – they cannot see them unless they appear in human form.

Another evidence

It was narrated that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Whilst we were with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) one day, a man came to us whose garment was exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black, and there were no signs of travel on him, and none of us knew who he was. He came and sat before the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), resting his knees against his and placing his hands on his thighs. He said: O Muhammad, tell me about Islam. … He ‘Umar said: Then he went away. I stayed there for a while, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)) said to me: “O ‘Umar, do you know who that questioner was?” I said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: “That was Jibreel, who came to you to teach you your religion.” Sahih al-Bukhaari

“Has the story reached you, of the honoured guests [three angels; Jibreel along with another two] of Ibrahim?

When they came in to him and said: ‘Salam, (peace be upon you)!’ He answered: ‘Salam, (peace be upon you ),’ and said: ‘You are a people unknown to me.’
Surah Zariyat

In another verse Allah says

And mention in the Book, the Quran, O Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) Maryam, when she withdrew in seclusion from her family to a place facing east.

She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibreel], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.

She said: ‘Verily, I seek refuge with the Most Gracious (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allah.’

(The angel) said: ‘I am only a messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.’” 19:16-19

These and many more proofs show that only Prophets and chosen people can see Angels in the form He commands. So all these never occured except that Allah commanded it and related it in Qur'an and hadith.

We ask those who claim Angels were caught on camera that did Allah command it ? or did He send a Prophet or chose some people to send messages? Or did Allah tell us that we could see them through camera or videos?

As i have mentioned earlier that Angels are only seen by Prophets as in the aforementioned evidences either in true form or human form. So anyone who believes this ignorantly or with certainty has apostized without doubt.

Muslims must refrain from accepting all garbages thrown to Islam. And the key to adhering to Islamic legislation is seeking knowledge and asking of those who know, when we do not know. The legislation is complete and cannot be altered.
May Allah guide us.

And Allah Knows Best.

This remind of a video that was broadcast to my bro that angel was caught flying around Kaaba and the mosque, a whitish light reflection was just flying around like Photoshop editing. I just laugh out hard

Anyways some people here have claim to see angels even jins but when I said I saw fairies they will say am lying.

op, how does everthing you said up there relate to actual incident ove the Kaaba?. First, it happened in 2008 not 2017. Some people chose "renew" the noise about it every year around Eld fitr and Adha by showing the same old video. I watched it myself back in 2008.


Second, all the "counter arguments" about reflection (lights) just dont add up. Reflections were there, yes. But something clearly was on top of the Kaaba that you can not deny. That's no longer reflection. There was a creature that i can not proof what it is on top of the building. It was said that people around there were panic upon seeing what's going on.

Another "counterargument" brought forward was it was a "bird". I am sorry, i have never seen a bird that big actually. They gonna have to prove the type of bird it was. Also, camera shows a man looking back amazingly to suggest something was going on beyond just "light reflection".


Believe in 6 articles of faith is one thing, their attributes is one thing and haqiqa is also another thing.


The argument raised here is rather senseless

Now, believing in Angel caught on camera is like believing that alqadr, Judgement Day, Prohets and others can be caught on camera. This is ridiculing and belying arkanul iman.

Do you have official report from Saudi authority what their observation of the incident was?. We need to know that. We dont need this reprobate counter argument

@Empiree, ^^^

There was no one panicking and was it a CCtv that capture the fake reflection or someone did the videoing?, the security man that looked didn't looked up, he was looking sides which is normal even before the fake reflection appeared, his face was never facing up the sky.

Empiree, abeg don't disappoint me.

tintingz:
@Empir.ee, ^^^

There was no one panicking and was it a CCtv that capture the fake reflection or someone did the videoing?, the security man that looked didn't looked up, he was looking sides which is normal even before the fake reflection appeared, his face was never facing up the sky.

Empi.ree, abeg don't disappoint me.

There is nothing to argue here. Are you saying reflection is something that appeared big like bird on the building?. That's definitely not a reflection. Thats what i am taking about.

Empiree:
There is nothing to argue here. Are you saying reflection is something that appeared big like bird on the building?. That's definitely not a reflection. Thats what i am taking about.

There is an argument there. I deal with Photoshop editing I know when something is photoshoped.

- In the first place, the reflection is not original, it was a CGI-like and poorly made due to the year of the event and camera quality, and if it was a real reflection, the lights can reflect the camera lens.

- Secondly, there is no other camera angle or version of the video, this is just the only one that surface the internet, there are over thousands of people in that mosque and no other video was released, they are not running or scattering.

- If it was a CCtv, the camera view can not move fast as that shown in the video, I looked closely at the man, he was never facing up and not staring at it, he just walked away, it seems that shot was was just crop and join.

- The fake angel image was a bird and edited into whitish color.


Look closely, does it look real?

Walahu alam...

Your opinion too is obviously guesswork. So we leave it there.

Empiree:
Walahu alam...

Your opinion too is obviously guesswork. So we leave it there.

It is not a guess work, it is agreed by many analyst to be fake, even saudi didn't release any press statement on it.

Angels also appear in churches, do you believe they are real?

tintingz:
It is not a guess work, it is agreed by many analyst to be fake, even saudi didn't release any press statement on it.

Angels also appear in churches, do you believe they are real?

did I mention it is angel?. Read btw the lines. I read some of the so called analysis on internet. They all keep talking about it is "reflections". Here you said it is bird and edited. You have proof for this?.

I was simply saying there was something on that building and if this was a bird, I am not aware of a bird as giant as this. You contradicted yourself by saying it is cgi and fake picture while at the same time recognized there was something there. Your post is simply self contradictory.

However, angel or not, this is not necessarily meant to validate iman. That's my point. What validates iman is what is revealed in the Quran. Anything else might just be reality. And saudi might not made official report just not to make big deal out of it. Besides, Angels as we know them can not be seen with our eyes like that. I hope you read discriptions of angels from hadith in their true form. Jubrail (as)'s wing alone covers the earth needless to say his entire being. But Allah is capable of transforming them as He pleases.

Bird fly over the kaaba all the time and they are usually tiny. Check 2011 hajj

Empiree:
did I mention it is angel?. Read btw the lines. I read some of the so called analysis on internet. They all keep talking about it is "reflections". Here you said it is bird and edited. You have proof for this?.

Didnt you see a over whitish bird image? I am into photoshop i know when something is photoshop, that bird is small like normal bird(a dove) and it was enlarge and place(paste) close to the kaaba not on the kaaba, it does not harmonize with the kaaba, the kaaba has 3D dimensional angle while the bird only has 2D dimensional like a drawing.

I was simply saying there was something on that building and if this was a bird, I am not aware of a bird as giant as this. You contradicted yourself by saying it is cgi and fake picture while at the same time recognized there was something there. Your post is simply self contradictory.

Where did i recognize there was an original angel or bird on kaaba? didn't i said "fake" angel(bird)? I was analyzing what was shown in that video not recognizing it to be true, know the difference.

However, angel or not, this is not necessarily meant to validate iman. That's my point. What validates iman is what is revealed in the Quran. Anything else might just be reality. And saudi might not made official report just not to make big deal out of it. Besides, Angels as we know them can not be seen with our eyes like that. I hope you read discriptions of angels from hadith in their true form. Jubrail (as)'s wing alone covers the earth needless to say his entire being. But Allah is capable of transforming them as He pleases.

Bird fly over the kaaba all the time and they are usually tiny. Check 2011 hajj

Lol, those that made up this fake video are trying their best to boost muslims faith(iman) just like christian, anyone that believes that video believes superman can be seen in new york.

Islamic scholars, Saudi muftis, the masjid imam should have gave report on it if it truly happened since it is a deen matter and can cause controversies but we see non.

tintingz:
Didnt you see a over whitish bird image? I am into photoshop i know when something is photoshop, that bird is small like normal bird(a dove) and it was enlarge and place(paste) close to the kaaba not on the kaaba, it does not harmonize with the kaaba, the kaaba has 3D dimensional angle while the bird only has 2D dimensional like a drawing.

Where did i recognize there was an original angel or bird on kaaba? didn't i said "fake" angel(bird)? I was analyzing what was shown in that video not recognizing it to be true, know the difference.

Lol, those that made up this fake video are trying their best to boost muslims faith(iman) just like christian, anyone that believes that video believes superman can be seen in new york.

Islamic scholars, Saudi muftis, the masjid imam should have gave report on it if it truly happened since it is a deen matter and can cause controversies but we see non.

do you even know that I don't even take u serious knowing too well how u think when it comes to Islam? .

Why do u think I should waste time here now? . So what if it boosts their faith? . It is haram if that should have happened?. I'm sure there were convinced people who embraced Islam just bcuss of this if you dig. People reverts to Islam over a very unsuspecting reasons.

I do not overly bye "reflection" story really.

Empiree:
do you even know that I don't even take u serious knowing too well how u think when it comes to Islam? .

Why do u think I should waste time here now? . So what if it boosts their faith? . It is haram if that should have happened?. I'm sure there were convinced people who embraced Islam just bcuss of this if you dig. People reverts to Islam over a very unsuspecting reasons.

I do not overly bye "reflection" story really.

Forget my views about Islam, look at the video yourself and observe it.

It is bad if people accept Islam with/through deceitful signs and miracles.

Religion is indeed the opium of the people. ~ Karl Marx.

Empiree:
do you even know that I don't even take u serious knowing too well how u think when it comes to Islam? .

Why do u think I should waste time here now? . So what if it boosts their faith? . It is haram if that should have happened?. I'm sure there were convinced people who embraced Islam just bcuss of this if you dig. People reverts to Islam over a very unsuspecting reasons.

I do not overly bye "reflection" story really.

Empiree, the worst mistake a serious person can make is engage an attention seeker in argument.
Stop wasting your time with ogogoro drinking attention seekers

DaGr8est:

Empiree, the worst mistake a serious person can make is engage an attention seeker in argument.
Stop wasting your time with ogogoro drinking attention seekers

SMH.

Empiree:
op, how does everthing you said up there relate to actual incident ove the Kaaba?. First, it happened in 2008 not 2017. Some people chose "renew" the noise about it every year around Eld fitr and Adha by showing the same old video. I watched it myself back in 2008.


Second, all the "counter arguments" about reflection (lights) just dont add up. Reflections were there, yes. But something clearly was on top of the Kaaba that you can not deny. That's no longer reflection. There was a creature that i can not proof what it is on top of the building. It was said that people around there were panic upon seeing what's going on.

Another "counterargument" brought forward was it was a "bird". I am sorry, i have never seen a bird that big actually. They gonna have to prove the type of bird it was. Also, camera shows a man looking back amazingly to suggest something was going on beyond just "light reflection".


Believe in 6 articles of faith is one thing, their attributes is one thing and haqiqa is also another thing.


The argument raised here is rather senseless





Do you have official report from Saudi authority what their observation of the incident was?. We need to know that. We dont need this reprobate counter argument

Whatever, it's a bogus belief that Angels are seen or can be seen with our eyes. As a muslim you don't need an official report from Saudi to discard that claim.