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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:25pm On Jul 07, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


is it that story Kingebukasblog says its just an allegory and that there were humans before Adam and Eve?

Biblical creation is not an allegory it is an historical event recorded in the book of Genesis. smiley
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:27pm On Jul 07, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:
OLAADEGBU

What makes your "biblical christian" tag any different?

Are there "unbiblical" christians?

Biblical Christianity are those whose faith is based on the infallible Word of God not the words of faulty fallible men. cool
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by hopefulLandlord: 6:30pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


Biblical creation is not an allegory it is an historical event recorded in the book of Genesis. smiley

you're barking up the wrong tree here, go preach that to "Unbiblical Christians" like Kingebukasblog and Christian apologists that see it as simply allegory smiley

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by ScepticalPyrrho: 7:02pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


Biblical Christianity are those whose faith is based on the infallible Word of God not the words of faulty fallible men. cool
Atheists bother because this kind of claim have been spread through indoctrination and this poses more threat to human development than other dogmatic claim. It is an extreme position which turn men with rational capacity into "dumblings".

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by Seun(m): 7:14pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
If as atheists say, God doesn't exist
God probably* doesn't exist.

and life has no ultimate meaning
Atheists don't say life has no meaning. Who've you been talking to? Human beings have the ability to create meaning in their own lives.

why then do they get so passionate when it comes to fighting biblical Christianity? Why do they care?
Atheists care because they are decent human beings who feel sad that their fellow humans are investing their precious lives in false beliefs.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by HegenIkomkeh(m): 7:30pm On Jul 07, 2017
Seun:

God probably* doesn't exist.


Atheists don't say life has no meaning. Who've you been talking to? Human beings have the ability to create meaning in their own lives.


Atheists care because they are decent human beings who feel sad that their fellow humans are investing their precious lives in false beliefs.
Oga with due respect i must tell you,you're simply a joker! How can you suggest that faith in God is "false belief"??You're treading a dangerous path o.Change before its too late.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by hopefulLandlord: 7:34pm On Jul 07, 2017
HegenIkomkeh:
Oga with due respect i must tell you,you're simply a joker! How can you suggest that faith in God is "false belief"??You're treading a dangerous path o.Change before its too late.

this sounds very convincing
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by ALAYORMII: 8:01pm On Jul 07, 2017
Seun:

God probably* doesn't exist.


Atheists don't say life has no meaning. Who've you been talking to? Human beings have the ability to create meaning in their own lives.


Atheists care because they are decent human beings who feel sad that their fellow humans are investing their precious lives in false beliefs.



Why don't you carry ur own cross and let anyone that wants to believe in anything that pleases them be.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by WORLDPEACE(m): 8:04pm On Jul 07, 2017
Seun:

God probably* doesn't exist.
Seun, this "probably" is what many atheists don't like to say. Many seem to think that to not be sure equals ignorance, so they absolutely have to hold on to a belief. It is a flaw in both atheism and theism. People need to teach themselves to be comfortable to admit that they do not know. When we do the opposite, the result might be harmful to us and those who look up to us.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by Deicide: 8:16pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


The fact that God created all things in 6 days. smiley
I mean what does this has to do with our discussion?
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by ayili: 9:42pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
If as atheists say, God doesn't exist and life has no ultimate meaning, why then do they get so passionate when it comes to fighting biblical Christianity? Why do they clare?
Just like the devil, they don't want to go to hell alone. Always looking for someone to lead astray with their unbelieve
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:07pm On Jul 07, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


you're barking up the wrong tree here, go preach that to "Unbiblical Christians" like Kingebukasblog and Christian apologists that see it as simply allegory smiley

Kingebukasblog believes in the Infinite Creator who created all things and as a result we can discuss the light we have received for each other's benefit. If you listen and learn from our discussion you might get enlightened just as urheme who can testify to the glory of God. smiley

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:11pm On Jul 07, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:


Atheists bother because this kind of claim have been spread through indoctrination and this poses more danger to human development than other dogmatic claim. It is an extreme position which turn men with rational capacity into "dumblings".

It is obvious that you bother because you feel if God exists and His Word is true then you are doomed. The infallible word of God would be your greatest nightmare if you don't repent and believe the gospel. cool

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:15pm On Jul 07, 2017
Seun:


God probably* doesn't exist.

You wish.

Seun:


Atheists don't say life has no meaning. Who've you been talking to? Human beings have the ability to create meaning in their own lives.

What is the ultimate meaning of life?

Seun:


Atheists care because they are decent human beings who feel sad that their fellow humans are investing their precious lives in false beliefs.

They only care because they fear that biblical Christianity would prevent them from enjoying their sinful lifestyle and remind them of who they will be accountable to. cool

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:16pm On Jul 07, 2017
Deicide:


I mean what does this has to do with our discussion?

You asked for the meaning of biblical Christianity, no? undecided
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:26pm On Jul 07, 2017
Seun:

God probably* doesn't exist.

A-Theism = God does not exist

Stop making it seem like atheism isn't dogmatic . Atheism is making a claim that God does not exist . It is dead ass dogmatic .

You made it clear in your comment that people are investing their lives in false beliefs .

How are you certain that it is a false belief that God exists ? Isn't that dogma ?

Atheism is false , empty and vapid , deal with it .




Atheists don't say life has no meaning. Who've you been talking to? Human beings have the ability to create meaning in their own lives.

Ancient atheists said that has life has no meaning . This was before Danish Theist philosopher Soren Kierkegaard founded existentialism .


Atheists care because they are decent human beings who feel sad that their fellow humans are investing their precious lives in false beliefs.

The last time I checked , 250 million people were killed by atheists because of the belief that God does not exist .

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by ScepticalPyrrho: 10:30pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


It is obvious that you bother because you feel if God exists and His Word is true then you are doomed. The infallible word of God would be your greatest nightmare if you don't repent and believe the gospel. cool
I can see religion has done quite a good number on your reasoning...
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:43pm On Jul 07, 2017
ayili:


Just like the devil, they don't want to go to hell alone. Always looking for someone to lead astray with their unbelieve

In other words it could be said that they are militant evangelists with no message to share.
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by Joshthefirst(m): 10:56pm On Jul 07, 2017
Seun:

God probably* doesn't exist.


Atheists don't say life has no meaning. Who've you been talking to? Human beings have the ability to create meaning in their own lives.


Atheists care because they are decent human beings who feel sad that their fellow humans are investing their precious lives in false beliefs.
Here's a quote from a popular atheist who is a friend:

sonofluc1fer: Oh and yes, life is pointless. You can believe in the after-life, if that gives you a sense of purpose and usefulness...

It was taken from here

And atheism, taken to it's rational conclusions, is a tale of hopeless piontlessness, and no amount of delusion of meaning can overcome the gaping valley of it's nihilism. A pointless, meaningless existence

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by ifenes(m): 11:05pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


The reason you are not fighting the idea of Tom and Jerry is because you know it is fiction. You fight the idea that there is God because you know He exists and that He threatens you from enjoying your sinful lifestyle, therefore you wish He does not exist.

Surprising I agree this God exist but who is it? The answer is what most Atheists cannot give you,and you yourself have no idea of. But someone irreligious, non dogmatic, who don't see the bible pointing to a deity could boldly tell you God is term that represents the man in the mirror. However I understand your know may not know this yet but hopefully you will reach that level someday........that God is not in the sky but yourself.



I don't remember you atheists taking up arms or protesting against the noise from mosques waking you up but you would not hesitate to get aggressive against God and His word who asks you to repent from your sinful lifestyle. That's what eats you.

When you mature to a certain level, you won't need a book to tell you violence is not the day. Your level of tolorence will be sky high regardless of irritation. But critical thinking on a site like this will still be very much active.



Many atheists are not jobless and yet they find time and space to attack what they think doesn't exist. cheesy

You are right in this one. Many of them are indeed jobless and lack the ability to think deeply. A rat is still a rat regardless of its statue.
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by Deicide: 11:07pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


You asked for the meaning of biblical Christianity, no? undecided
so what does it has to do with creation
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by sonofluc1fer: 11:08pm On Jul 07, 2017
Joshthefirst:
Here's a quote from a popular atheist who is a friend:



It was taken from here

And atheism, taken to it's rational conclusions, is a tale of hopeless piontlessness, and no amount of delusion of meaning can overcome the gaping valley of it's nihilism. A pointless, meaningless existence
Seriously. I wonder why many are uncomfortable with this other. Atheism, on its own, is an empty philosophy, just like theism too.

Our ability to create meaning and derive pleasurable feelings doesn't make life meaningful. At the end, whether theist or atheist, we will all be forgotten. Our marks on earth would be erased. We just random instances in time's unending cycles.

Whatever meaning or joy you derive in this short existence you call being alive, is just fleeting. Atheism says its ends here. Theism says no.. There has to be something better.. Or worse if you picked the wrong God.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by BigShazam: 11:16pm On Jul 07, 2017
They don't have the holy spirit so they tend to hate and bother them selfs. No peace of mind.
Muafrika2:
They need to convince themselves.

The rest are just angry at people, God(the one who should not exist) and everything that reminds them of God grin
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by CoolUsername: 11:37pm On Jul 07, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


A-Theism = God does not exist

Stop making it seem like atheism isn't dogmatic . Atheism is making a claim that God does not exist . It is dead ass dogmatic .

You made it clear in your comment that people are investing their lives in false beliefs .

How are you certain that it is a false belief that God exists ? Isn't that dogma ?

Atheism is false , empty and vapid , deal with it .






Ancient atheists said that has life has no meaning . This was before Danish Theist philosopher Soren Kierkegaard founded existentialism .




The last time I checked , 250 million people were killed by atheists because of the belief that God does not exist .

Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by Joshthefirst(m): 11:44pm On Jul 07, 2017
sonofluc1fer:

Seriously. I wonder why many are uncomfortable with this other. Atheism, on its own, is an empty philosophy, just like theism too.

Our ability to create meaning and derive pleasurable feelings doesn't make life meaningful. At the end, whether theist or atheist, we will all be forgotten. Our marks on earth would be erased. We just random instances in time's unending cycles.

Whatever meaning or joy you derive in this short existence you call being alive, is just fleeting. Atheism says its ends here. Theism says no.. There has to be something better.. Or worse if you picked the wrong God.
This very destructive thinking, is the result of your atheistic way of life, and even as you irrationally apply it to theism, I commend your slight honesty.

Humanity itself is futile, and life is an unnecessary and accidental wickedness based on your thinking.

Where you are wrong is your applying it to the theist, especially one like me. Unlike you who believes in twisted and sadistic originlessness, I believe that in the beginning, God with a very definite purpose created the universe, including me, I believe my life actually counts, and death is not finality you see.

You on the other hand believe pointless and very dangerous and even unfounded sheet.
Yes, we're both on different spectra of faith. Mine is founded, rational and safe, and yours is quite sad, and unfounded (even science has no established theorem on the origin of life.)

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:45pm On Jul 07, 2017
sonofluc1fer:

Seriously. I wonder why many are uncomfortable with this other. Atheism, on its own, is an empty philosophy, just like theism too.

Theism is rooted in logic , reason , philosophy basically intellectualism while atheism is rooted in ignorance and rebellion . Know thy history .

Atheism says its ends here. Theism says no.

Atheists who are materialists say it ends here . There are atheists who believe in reincarnation and are against materialism .

Stop adorning your words , there is so much blandness and emptiness . You say too much yet conveying nothing.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by sonofluc1fer: 11:48pm On Jul 07, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


Theism is rooted in logic , reason , philosophy basically intellectualism while atheism is rooted in ignorance and rebellion
Sorry, Bro.. You are too ignorant, too uneducated, too idiotic to make aby meaningful or useful contribution. Take your wahala and go. When this thread needs a troll, we will let you know.
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by sonofluc1fer: 12:05am On Jul 08, 2017
Joshthefirst:

This very destructive thinking, is the result of your atheistic way of life,
Don't just say it is 'destructive'.. Show how it is. Remember that phraae 'everything under the sun is meaningless'. Sure you won't. An atheist wrote it.

Joshthefirst:

and even as you irrationally apply it to theism, I commend your slight honesty.

Humanity itself is futile, and life is an unnecessary and accidental wickedness based on your thinking.
Show how you reached this conclusion. It seems you are getting into that habit of attackinf arguments no one made.

Joshthefirst:

Where you are wrong is your applying it to the theist, especially one like me
You are not just theist.. You are Christian. That comes with ideas that will contradict them. That they promise much, doesnt make them true. Like prayers, these promises are subjective.

Joshthefirst:

Unlike you who believes in twisted and sadistic originlessness, I believe that in the beginning, God with a very definite purpose created the universe, including me, I believe my life actually counts, and death is not finality you see.
A good belief, with great intentions, I must say. If that makes you happy, good. BUT mangoes dont turn to poison because you find apples to be tastier.
These are all subjective feelings, just like your purpose.

Joshthefirst:

You on the other hand believe pointless and very dangerous and even unfounded sheet.
Yes, we're both on different spectra of faith. Mine is founded, rational and safe, and yours is quite sad, and unfounded (even science has no established theorem on the origin of life.)
And therein lies the problem.. Bred in the cage of faith all your life, you have no idea how a life without faith is possible.
Your ignorance causes your fear and hatred. A life without God can be a life of purpose... One you create.

For me, I have a dream to create an academy where I can provide kids the opportunities in education I didnt have when growing up. I don't need to believe in God to know that there are benefits a society derives when its citizens are better educated.

Do I feel fear, doubt, hope, disappointment? I do. I'm human too. Rejecting God doesn't mean denying my humanity. If anything, I understand my 'humanness' - - hope this is the right word - - much better.

I am not Christian. I am neither Jewish nor Gentile. I know I am not a failed clay product of a Jewish god.
I appreciate life more and nature too.. And knowledge quenched my fears.

Maybe I might be wrong on God. But life got much better when I embraced hell.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by Joshthefirst(m): 1:49am On Jul 08, 2017
sonofluc1fer:

Don't just say it is 'destructive'.. Show how it is. Remember that phraae 'everything under the sun is meaningless'. Sure you won't. An atheist wrote it.
Dont quote scripture out of context now.
It is destructive, because if taken to it's logical conclusions it means nothing makes sense and all is absurd. I will show it. (I have before)

sonofluc1fer:

Show how you reached this conclusion. It seems you are getting into that habit of attackinf arguments no one made.
what happens if life is a pointless accident? It means that our births and deaths are futile, it means everything we strive for in life is doomed hopelessness, it means everything about human society is eventually empty, pitiful wailings against cold nihility, our science, our arts, our education, our love, hate, fear, courage; there is no point to our relationships, etc, see? Nihility. Futility. Creating any form of any meaning is a huge waste of time and hustle for a futile existence. What a wicked irony life is with this sort of thinking. It is destructive to the mind and any form of meaningful development of humanity, how can you seek development and any sort of peace when our civilization and sciety and even our evolution is pointless futility, death our mocker?

This is why I believe you aren't truly honest with your very own thinking, because you still hustle and have dreams, you still have hope for a better tomorrow, inspite of the chasm of empty nothingness you believe laughs at all of our fates.


sonofluc1fer:

You are not just theist.. You are Christian. That comes with ideas that will contradict them. That they promise much, doesnt make them true. Like prayers, these promises are subjective.


A good belief, with great intentions, I must say. If that makes you happy, good. BUT mangoes dont turn to poison because you find apples to be tastier.
These are all subjective feelings, just like your purpose.
permit me to claim, since you make claims. I have seen objective reality and truth. I am not confused about life and purpose, I have proved these truths in my life, and I experience the rich relationship with God daily. Do you think I enjoy empty rituals and religion? Or pray to a God who has no voice? No. Convincing me to unbelief or doubt is a waste, as I cannot doubt a presence I feel as much as my own.


sonofluc1fer:

And therein lies the problem.. Bred in the cage of faith all your life, you have no idea how a life without faith is possible.
Your ignorance causes your fear and hatred. A life without God can be a life of purpose... One you create.
I fear sometimes, but my fear isn't of other beliefs. Lol. I do not hate anyone, but I hate wrong ideology, and the influence of darkness I believe convinces men to independent rebellion.

And I say you have faith in your"beliefs", because what you think about life, especially it's origin is actually "belief", never supported by any fact or truth of any kind, you subscribe to nihility without even taking hold of it's message to the full.


sonofluc1fer:

For me, I have a dream to create an academy where I can provide kids the opportunities in education I didnt have when growing up. I don't need to believe in God to know that there are benefits a society derives when its citizens are better educated.

Do I feel fear, doubt, hope, disappointment? I do. I'm human too. Rejecting God doesn't mean denying my humanity. If anything, I understand my 'humanness' - - hope this is the right word - - much better.
I'm glad you dream, but I believe you are confused. A nihilist does not hope, all dreams end in futility. Education is pointless, society is a weak mockery of humanity. Humanity itself is a wicked product of an accident called life. This is what it is to have the unfounded belief of an accidental and purposeless existence. Death, the black outcome of the cruel joke of life, awaits all sense of purpose you may want to create for yourself, all dreams, and all hope.
If our fathers subscribed to this, we would not have had anything like science or society or development today.

Thank God for your humanity and your dreams and your hope. It all points to the yearning of your inward man for something more out of life, a paradox and contradiction to the very worldview you hold dear.



sonofluc1fer:

I am not Christian. I am neither Jewish nor Gentile. I know I am not a failed clay product of a Jewish god.
I appreciate life more and nature too.. And knowledge quenched my fears.

Maybe I might be wrong on God. But life got much better when I embraced hell.
And I appreciate and respect you. Humanity is not a failed product, but an object of God's love. You're wrong on God, he isn't Jewish, and life will begin when you truly embrace his grace

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Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by shadeyinka(m): 8:14am On Jul 08, 2017
PastorAIO:

you can divide religion into two aspects. The personal aspect and the Civic aspect.

....

Many christians believe that they must be obnoxious and poke nose inside other people's affairs because that will improve their chances of going to heaven. They make a public nuisance of themselves because they believe that they are incurring God's favour by doing so.

It follows that when people react to their obnoxiousness they moan and go into Martyr mode. 'poor me, and my poor god, so oppressed, so victimised'.


On this point I feel you are being narrow.
A christian believes strongly in Judgement of Sin and thus, he is compelled to WARN others.

Let's assume we all discover after death that hell is real. What happens if you see your best friend who knew this truth but didnt tell you who happens to make heaven,
1. Can he truely rejoice knowing that you are on the other side?
2. As far as you are concerned, would you say je is a true friend?

A close friend who invests in a high yield business without your knowledge cannot with excitement face you with his profit.

That is the motivation my friend.

Interestingly, how well you preach doesn't take any christian to heaven.
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by shadeyinka(m): 8:21am On Jul 08, 2017
Niflheim:
@op,

Jeez!!! This question has been answered almost "a million times" on Nairaland? Why would you ask the question again? Many people on Nairaland are beginning to question your mental health status!!! Are you for real?

1.Belief in god is what makes women get stoned in Saudi Arabia!!! It is a barbaric practice!!!

2.Belief in god is what "made" widows in India to be burnt alive, beside the corpse of their husband!!!(It does not happen any longer)

3.Belief in god is what makes people get killed simply for eating beef!!!

4.Belief in god is what prevents little kids from receiving life-saving blood transfusions!!!

5.Belief in god is what makes humans to eat grass like goats!!!

6.Belief in god is what makes adults to expose little children to venomous snakes!!!

7.Belief in god is what makes people drink rat poison!!!

8.Belief in god created "Dora the Exploder(The muslim version of Dora the Explorer)!!!

9.Belief in god is what makes Africans to drink petrol!!!

and 10.Belief in god is what makes people to "chew torn pant"!!!

The people that you refer to as "atheists" see the harm that religion has caused and they are concerned about what is happening to their religious brothers and sisters!!! How can you still be asking such questions after so many years on Nairaland?

Your parents probably believe in God. Are you describing them here?

If this statement of mine above is NOT true (which I am sure it isn't), then your points are plain pure exaggeration and untruthfulness
Re: Why Do Atheists Bother? by Seun(m): 1:20pm On Jul 08, 2017
HegenIkomkeh:
Oga with due respect i must tell you,you're simply a joker! How can you suggest that faith in God is "false belief"?
Muslims believe that Christian beliefs are false. Christians believe that Muslim beliefs are false. Atheists agree with both groups on that issue!

ALAYORMII:
Why don't you carry ur own cross and let anyone that wants to believe in anything that pleases them be.
Because false beliefs cause real harm. For example, if you truly believe that you can fly, you might jump off a skyscraper and fall to your death.

WORLDPEACE:
Seun, this "probably" is what many atheists don't like to say. Many seem to think that to not be sure equals ignorance, so they absolutely have to hold on to a belief. It is a flaw in both atheism and theism. People need to teach themselves to be comfortable to admit that they do not know. When we do the opposite, the result might be harmful to us and those who look up to us.
The vast majority of atheists have no problem with admitting that they don't know for sure that no God exists. Sometimes we get tired of using the word "probably" in every sentence, just because it's repetitive, but that's no excuse for misrepresenting our actual position.

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