MOST HUMANS TYPICALLY FALL INTO ONE OF THESE GROUPS:

The believers- a closed mind FOR God.

This group is made up of...sheep. Very gullible and docile, born to believe Stuff. If you remove one of ur your car Tyres, put it on an alter and cover part of it with a white cloth (u can use ur bedsheets) then claim that God confided in you that he wud now begin answering prayers through that Tyre since he now lives in the Tyre, this group would flock to you! You, the Pastor or Imam or whatever, would suddenly become their go-to guy for instructions and direction whether scriptural or otherwise. You pretty much become their god- only they won't call you that! Next the fanatic ones would go about repeating your bogus claims as though they were there when it happened, and condemning​ everyone else who doesn't buy it. If there's a God, even he probably wouldn't fancy this bunch so much- just like a guy wouldn't fancy a girlfriend who can't think for herself and just fooolishly agrees to every dumb thing anyone claims he Said or did.


The atheists- a closed mind AGAINST God.

This group consists of intellectuals and deep thinkers who are simply repulsed by the gullibility of the first group. They are actually VERY interested in the idea of God, but after searching and researching Religious claims, and finding nothing other than a seemingly Genocidal drama queen *cough paraded as The Supreme Being by the Holy books, they got fed up in their heart and decided it's best to just bury the whole idea of a supreme being for the sake of their own sanity! But this group often take their denial a bit too far; sometimes ignoring ELEPHANTS in rooms in favor of anti-supreme-being theories. Nothing makes sense to them unless it's AGAINST the existence of a deity. They seem a little too determined to deny God that one begins to suspect their true motives- perhaps daddy issues? The "Daddy" being... a God they're secretly searching for? Lol. The Christian fanatic, the Jihadist and the Atheist all have extremism in common.


The agnostics- an open mind on the subject of God.

This is a balanced group and the most amiable of all three. They are like Atheists WITHOUT the extremism! They believe it's possible that a supreme being exists but they havent found convincing evidence (The Holy books deity is kinda wierd for a Supreme being, and the big bang theory is just that- a freaking THEORY with little to no real evidence besides more hypothesis) so they just keep an open mind about the whole thing. You'll find them practicing things like yoga, meditation, neo-religions, or even some religions ocassionally, and always willing to listen to your​ opinion on the subject of God. Whether you're claiming that God is the atmosphere or he is in your pocket, the Agnostics are likely to first hear u out. And even if they don't buy it eventually, they would at least consider it or muse over it before discarding it and going their way. Unlike believers who would condemn you to doom, or Atheists who would deny elephants in the room.


Among these three, if any is closest to truth, it is the Agnostics- for they accept that they do not know, which is the very path to knowledge.

Theism/atheism speaks to what you *believe*. Gnosticism/agnosticism speaks to what you *know*. One can claim to be a gnostic theist (very common), an agnostic theist (far less common but not unusual), an agnostic atheist (virtually all atheists are this), or a gnostic atheist (these are incredibly rare, and will usually clarify their position by stating that they only take this position regards to specific god claims, as Matt Dillahunty does). Richard Dawkins, easily the most famous atheist advocate, calls himself an agnostic atheist, because he does not believe, but he does not claim to know for certain.

I myself claim to be mostly an agnostic atheist. To the specific claim of the Abrahamic god, I will go so far as to claim gnostic atheism - not because of any special knowledge on my part, but simply because I have yet to hear a description of this deity that passes so much as basic logical coherence. There may yet be a god - but if we do discover one someday, it most likely won't be the one the bible/Koran/Torah/Mormon etc talks about.

hopefulLandlord:
Theism/atheism speaks to what you *believe*. Gnosticism/agnosticism speaks to what you *know*. One can claim to be a gnostic theist (very common), an agnostic theist (far less common but not unusual), an agnostic atheist (virtually all atheists are this), or a gnostic atheist (these are incredibly rare, and will usually clarify their position by stating that they only take this position regards to specific god claims, as Matt Dillahunty does). Richard Dawkins, easily the most famous atheist advocate, calls himself an agnostic atheist, because he does not believe, but he does not claim to know for certain.

I myself claim to be mostly an agnostic atheist. To the specific claim of the Abrahamic god, I will go so far as to claim gnostic atheism - not because of any special knowledge on my part, but simply because I have yet to hear a description of this deity that passes so much as basic logical coherence. There may yet be a god - but if we do discover one someday, it most likely won't be the one the bible/Koran/Torah/Mormon etc talks about.

The mistake most people make on the subject. There's no need to sub-group these groups. From your last paragraph for instance, you are simply an Agnostic! If anyone says with assurance that deities don't exist, he or she is simply Atheist! and the rest, peddling one god or the other, are simply Believers! It's as simple as that.

DeepEyes:
The mistake most people make on the subject. There's no need to sub-group these groups. From your last paragraph for instance, you are simply an Agnostic! If anyone says with assurance that deities don't exist, he or she is simply Atheist! and the rest, peddling one god or the other, are simply Believers! It's as simple as that.

can you mention one popular atheist based on your own definition? I'll wait

For what its worth, this is enlightening

Atheists are always soooo damn feisty
Like they on their period whenever you mention God n stuff

Some believers sef dey tire person. Be fighting and practically bearing false witness for God in situations especially when it comes to saying some miracles.

But anyhow, to each his own

I'm an unrepentant believer in God and the Lordship of Jesus.


Yessss # Jesus loves me!!!

hopefulLandlord:
can you mention one popular atheist based on your own definition? I'll wait

Oh Im not a very good source for such info, as I seldom waste my time following, listening to, or debating with Atheists cos in my mind it's just like doing such with a Christian fanatic or Catholic or Jihadist- it's futile! I discuss with Agnostics. But Google is your friend. Also, try looking up the definition. You wud find that it is categorized into three parts, but in essence, it is simply disbelief! Deliberate or otherwise. See the op and the context in which I described Atheists.

joyAA:
For what its worth, this is enlightening

Atheists are always soooo damn feisty
Like they on their period whenever you mention God n stuff

Some believers sef dey tire person. Be fighting and practically bearing false witness for God in situations especially when it comes to saying some miracles.

But anyhow, to each his own

I'm an unrepentant believer in God and the Lordship of Jesus.


Yessss # Jesus loves me!!!

Lol. at least u're not a Robobeliever! Also, believing in God has been helping people since the beginning of religion so it can't be that bad. It's only those lousy robots u described that make it annoying.

DeepEyes:

Lol. at least u're not a Robobeliever! Also, believing in God has been helping people since the beginning of religion so it can't be that bad. It's only those lousy robots u described that make it annoying.

robobeliever

Yup, believing in God helps, you got that right.

Atheists think they KNOW.
Agnostics are SEARCHING FOR KNOWLEDGE.
Believers know that KNOWLEDGE is God and THINKING is a Process- Spirit of God's Life.
Believers also know that Searching is a Spirit synonymous with Thinking.
In other words, Searching, Thinking, Knowing and Success in all these are Spirits of God that the Agnostic is searching for and the Atheist is keeping aside.
Believers know that God is Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, Feeling, Thinking, Reasoning and Success of all these.

DeepEyes:
Oh Im not a very good source for such info, as I seldom waste my time following, listening to, or debating with Atheists cos in my mind it's just like doing such with a Christian fanatic or Catholic or Jihadist- it's futile! I discuss with Agnostics. But Google is your friend. Also, try looking up the definition. You wud find that it is categorized into three parts, but in essence, it is simply disbelief! Deliberate or otherwise. See the op and the context in which I described Atheists.

This means you basically have no argument. If you classify Richard Dawkins as an agnostic when he calls himself an atheist then you can clearly see how wrong you are.

Learn the terms.

CoolUsername:


This means you basically have no argument. If you classify Richard Dawkins as an agnostic when he calls himself an atheist then you can clearly see how wrong you are.

Learn the terms.

Again, not necessary. No matter what dictionary u are using, there will always be THREE groups: the believers, the unbelievers, and the skepticals. All those sub-groups are just a waste of time and brainpower. Not needed.

orunto27:
Atheists think they KNOW.
Agnostics are SEARCHING FOR KNOWLEDGE.
Believers know that KNOWLEDGE is God and THINKING is a Process- Spirit of God's Life.
Believers also know that Searching is a Spirit synonymous with Thinking.
In other words, Searching, Thinking, Knowing and Success in all these are Spirits of God that the Agnostic is searching for and the Atheist is keeping aside.
Believers know that God is Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, Feeling, Thinking, Reasoning and Success of all these.

Hmmm...nice perspective I'd like to understand more. However, I simply think a typical believer is naive and devoid of logical reasoning on the subject of God. Theres a powerful admonition that says: do not question things of God! which is what spiritual leaders use to numb even the otherwise intellectual believers. So I honestly doubt typical believers are that AWARE, as u credit them here.

DeepEyes:

Again, not necessary. No matter what dictionary u are using, there will always be THREE groups: the believers, the unbelievers, and the skepticals. All those sub-groups are just a waste of time and brainpower. Not needed.

Funny how you think you know better than all the parties involved.

Just take your time and enjoy your life to the fullest.

If man is in search of knowledge, he can simple Bleep an animal because he is not knowing. And feel it is right.

Steal in public in Oshodi market and walk off or even engage in bloody rituals and won't be visited by demons.

This supreme knowledge is the unknown spiritual knowledge call 'Fronesis' in Greek meaning the precise knowing of God. Some say it is a voice inside that tells you the difference between good and bad.

You are angry because some know and understand God's personality and you don't.

Every religion emanated from the seven books of Moses which is part of the Bible. An intellectual can only know what he reads.

The spirit man judges all.

DeepEyes:
MOST HUMANS TYPICALLY FALL INTO ONE OF THESE GROUPS:

The believers- a closed mind FOR God.

This group is made up of...sheep. Very gullible and docile, born to believe Stuff. If you remove one of ur your car Tyres, put it on an alter and cover part of it with a white cloth (u can use ur bedsheets) then claim that God confided in you that he wud now begin answering prayers through that Tyre since he now lives in the Tyre, this group would flock to you! You, the Pastor or Imam or whatever, would suddenly become their go-to guy for instructions and direction whether scriptural or otherwise. You pretty much become their god- only they won't call you that! Next the fanatic ones would go about repeating your bogus claims as though they were there when it happened, and condemning​ everyone else who doesn't buy it. If there's a God, even he probably wouldn't fancy this bunch so much- just like a guy wouldn't fancy a girlfriend who can't think for herself and just fooolishly agrees to every dumb thing anyone claims he Said or did.


The atheists- a closed mind AGAINST God.

This group consists of intellectuals and deep thinkers who are simply repulsed by the gullibility of the first group. They are actually VERY interested in the idea of God, but after searching and researching Religious claims, and finding nothing other than a seemingly Genocidal drama queen *cough paraded as The Supreme Being by the Holy books, they got fed up in their heart and decided it's best to just bury the whole idea of a supreme being for the sake of their own sanity! But this group often take their denial a bit too far; sometimes ignoring ELEPHANTS in rooms in favor of anti-supreme-being theories. Nothing makes sense to them unless it's AGAINST the existence of a deity. They seem a little too determined to deny God that one begins to suspect their true motives- perhaps daddy issues? The "Daddy" being... a God they're secretly searching for? Lol. The Christian fanatic, the Jihadist and the Atheist all have extremism in common.


The agnostics- an open mind on the subject of God.

This is a balanced group and the most amiable of all three. They are like Atheists WITHOUT the extremism! They believe it's possible that a supreme being exists but they havent found convincing evidence (The Holy books deity is kinda wierd for a Supreme being, and the big bang theory is just that- a freaking THEORY with little to no real evidence besides more hypothesis) so they just keep an open mind about the whole thing. You'll find them practicing things like yoga, meditation, neo-religions, or even some religions ocassionally, and always willing to listen to your​ opinion on the subject of God. Whether you're claiming that God is the atmosphere or he is in your pocket, the Agnostics are likely to first hear u out. And even if they don't buy it eventually, they would at least consider it or muse over it before discarding it and going their way. Unlike believers who would condemn you to doom, or Atheists who would deny elephants in the room.


Among these three, if any is closest to truth, it is the Agnostics- for they accept that they do not know, which is the very path to knowledge.

CoolUsername:


Funny how you think you know better than all the parties involved.

There's a difference between knowledge and understanding. Whoever claims to KNOW so much is obviously lost in delusion. But the ability to UNDERSTAND is a gift naturally bestowed on some. I understand that u either believe, don't believe, or are uncertain. Simple! Even those who have never heard about God are considered UNBELIEVERS by default, until they are educated, and may then believe, not believe, or be skeptical! This is fact. So "all the other parties" can KNOW whatever they like. They Simply enjoy the drama of CUSTOMISED LABELLING. Lol.

BigShazam:
Just take your time and enjoy your life to the fullest.

If man is in search of knowledge, he can simple Bleep an animal because he is not knowing. And feel it is right.

Steal in public in Oshodi market and walk off or even engage in bloody rituals and won't be visited by demons.

This supreme knowledge is the unknown spiritual knowledge call 'Fronesis' in Greek meaning the precise knowing of God. Some say it is a voice inside that tells you the difference between good and bad.

You are angry because some know and understand God's personality and you don't.

Every religion emanated from the seven books of Moses which is part of the Bible. An intellectual can only know what he reads.

The spirit man judges all.

Wow! U said so much that I got​ lost.

Angry? Lol. Atheists are usually the angry ones, not Agnostics. Oh and those people don't actually know God parse, they just follow some ancient books.

And finally, right and wrong are things of the conscience. Humans don't need, and should not depend on "knowledge" or "holy books" to know the difference.

Such is Life. There are at least two stages in every aspect of life. The Amatuer stage and the Professional stage. The Atheists, The Agnostics and The Believers all pass through these stages.
The Believers' Professional stage is when they become "Born Again". That is when they have now seen and encountered who they believe in.

DeepEyes:

There's a difference between knowledge and understanding. Whoever claims to KNOW so much is obviously lost in delusion. But the ability to UNDERSTAND is a gift naturally bestowed on some. I understand that u either believe, don't believe, or are uncertain. Simple! Even those who have never heard about God are considered UNBELIEVERS by default, until they are educated, and may then believe, not believe, or be skeptical! This is fact. So "all the other parties" can KNOW whatever they like. They Simply enjoy the drama of CUSTOMISED LABELLING. Lol.

Every other person simply enjoys customized labeling while you alone know the truth. I get it.

CoolUsername:


Every other person simply enjoys customized labeling while you alone know the truth. I get it.

Look, I can't be bothered if u choose to think for urself or follow MASS opinions. But I do my own thinking. capisce? Plus u keep trying to put words in my mouth in order to judge me. Am I offending u by debunking ur RIGID beliefs? Lol. Take it easy

orunto27:
Such is Life. There are at least two stages in every aspect of life. The Amatuer stage and the Professional stage. The Atheists, The Agnostics and The Believers all pass through these stages.
The Believers' Professional stage is when they become "Born Again". That is when they have now seen and encountered who they believe in.

Hmmm....what are the other professional stages?

Ok, only in naija
Happy Sunday nairalander


Anyways kindly check my signature
You might need it

DeepEyes:
Hmmm....what are the other professional stages?

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Atheist grows from knowledge to Understanding and becomes Theist and Confucius. Agnostic stops searching. He has now found. He becomes Nostic and Illuminati.

DeepEyes:

Look, I can't be bothered if u choose to think for urself or follow MASS opinions. But I do my own thinking. capisce? Plus u keep trying to put words in my mouth in order to judge me. Am I offending u by debunking ur RIGID beliefs? Lol. Take it easy

Well, words have definitions and I think my stance of the God connection fits a particular definition. If my beliefs change, I look for another label. What I don't do is try to redefine the English language, and then call myself open-minded.

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CoolUsername:


Well, words have definitions and I think my stance of the God connection fits a particular definition. If my beliefs change, I look for another label. What I don't do is try to redefine the English language, and then call myself open-minded.

Fun fact: it's the open minded people who redefine ANYTHING​ that ever gets redefined. Not the Zombies

orunto27:
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Atheist grows from knowledge to Understanding and becomes Theist and Confucius.
Agnostic stops searching. He has now found. He becomes Nostic and Illuminati.

This makes sense to a degree. It does.

Praise God.