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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by Nobody: 8:47am On Aug 23, 2017
rhames:



Just three questions:

1. How can I send my child to a university whose standard has fallen to the extent that the cut off mark for federal university entrance examinations JAMB 1s 180 or less than 200?

2. What standard obtains when that child graduates from the university?

3. Which employer will consider employing half baked graduates?



Which is why ASUU is struggling to ensure universities improves to produce full bake and not half bake

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by donqx: 8:48am On Aug 23, 2017
ok
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by suchmuch: 8:52am On Aug 23, 2017
otokx:
Truth is bitter; ASUU is right with this theory.

Civil servants struggle to send their children through public universities.
chai na una follow seun open nairaland

Boss I salute you oooo
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by Meteoritee: 8:54am On Aug 23, 2017
How many ppl have parents that meet these criteria.

If you have parents who are both level 17 teachers of either Lagos or most importantly Ogun state you should be able to conveniently send
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by poseidon12: 8:58am On Aug 23, 2017
OBIGS:
Rubbish. So my parents that have business outside civil service are corrupt. So they shud have depend solely from income/peanut from civil service. Brain damage dey worry you

Well I'm glad you recognize that income from civil service is peanut. It's good your parents engage in business outside their job. I don't see how any civil servant can send their kids to private or foreign university without engaging in private business or corrupt activities.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by SoldierBoy1(m): 8:59am On Aug 23, 2017
Does this man even know that some civil servants go as far as getting loans, some have had it in mind to send their children to private universities since long ago?. It's all about planning. The thing is take for instance a Professor as the father with a wife who is a senior lecturer, them taking a loan of 1.5million won't be too difficult so far as their salaries are consistent. Even now that salaries are not consistent, I have friends whose parents had to borrow to pay their school fees. So it would be unfair to people who are not corrupt in the civil service to say it's all of them that send their children to private universities through corrupt means. God Bless.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by OlaSammie: 9:01am On Aug 23, 2017
faceURfront:
After reading some comments here and several other comments in different fora, I realised we have a serious problem

1. The only person that speaks for ASUU are national officials, especially the National President. Any other person talking is expressing his personal opinion.

2. There is so much ignorance in this country.
And the most annoying thing is people make conclusive statements without any facts. Imagine somebody here saying the Dr earns nothing less than 400k per month. Well let that fellow know that you can have a PhD and still earn below 150k (which is an improved pay package as a result of several strikes someone called useless). Pay is dependent on rank not academic qualification. Yes academic qualification is a major factor in rank determination, depending on mode of entry into the system and some discipline, a PhD holder can earn less than 150k and a non PhD holder can earn way above 150k.

3. Before you go calling ASUU strikes useless, please note that ALL ETF projects you see on our university campuses are results of ASUU struggles. When was the last time you saw any new project in any university that is not an ETF project? From lecture halls to offices, labs to ICT centres, libraries to sports facilities and school clinics. Imagine if ASUU folded her hands and kept mute, public universities would have long gone extinct and let's see how many people can send their children to private universities...on how much that workers are being paid in this sorry country? Which brings me to the issue of civil servants sending their children to private universities.

4. Besides high ranking civil servants, majority of civil servants earn less than 150k per month. And we are talking about the Federal level. State civil servants earn less. But let's even assume a civil servant earns 300k per month. He has to feed, transport, pay for medical care, fuel his car(s), take care of family members every now and then ( remember we are in africa) fuel his generator and save some to either pay his annual rent, or save towards building his house or payoff loans he took to build his house or buy a car. Which money will he use in sending his children to private universities? Remember if he has just a child in the universities, most likely others are in the secondary school where fees are already sky rocketing. I can confidently say a civil servant who sends his children to private universities must be making money besides his salary, and given the level of corruption in this country, the probability that he is stealing that money is high.

God bless you for seeing this differently. I was also surprised with most of the comments. Like they took it personal...lol
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by SoldierBoy1(m): 9:03am On Aug 23, 2017
poseidon12:


Well I'm glad you recognize that income from civil service is peanut. It's good your parents engage in business outside their job. I don't see how any civil servant can send their kids to private or foreign university without engaging in private business or corrupt activities.
Bro, I know a lot of civil servants with children in private universities. Firstly it depends on the income range and also a lot of planning and obtaining of loan is involved. So him saying that they get the means through corruption should not be generalized.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by rhames(m): 9:09am On Aug 23, 2017
faceURfront:


Which is why ASUU is struggling to ensure universities improves to produce full bake and not half bake

Universities where the ASUU members are the main backers of cultism and sexual harassment against the female folk? ASUU like other labour unions in this country has always fought for its Executives pockets not for the collective good. Mention one Nigerian public university in the top one thousand in the world and I will succumb to your presumption.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by goshen26: 9:17am On Aug 23, 2017
babyfaceafrica:
400k from where?.. Lolz

Yes, he is actually correct. My HOD in the politics back in 2014 earns 400k basic salary, not talking about other benefits.

Most of them use their affluence to collect contract, which hinders them from having time for their students.

The FG should answer them, then investigate into those schools have lecturers that are lecturing in other schools. I know one who lectures in a federal poly, also lecture in a private poly, he also collect the contract of NYSC.



Most of them claim strike to do other personal things



My take is FG should settle them, investigate into our institution. Flush out those lecturers who are not adding to our students' lives.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by OlaSammie: 9:21am On Aug 23, 2017
majekdom2:
It baffles me when Nigerians cannot comprehend a simple post. If you check well, the structures that don't work well in Nigeria are those Nigerians created alternatives to themselves but when one looks at it thoroughly it's a case of enriching the ruling class in the midst of this decadence. I ll give 3 instances.
1. Our Educational Institutions: We started with overseas travelling as alternative, then the rise of private universities. The man just said there are 200 private universities waiting to be licensed. It's not like the quality of education in these private university is even world class. Pls don't get me wrong, I am not against private universities. What happens in the end. These private institutions pay tax. Isn't it good business for a government that perhaps care less.
2. Our electricity and power system: we had Generators as alternatives. So the government makes money from import quota's and tax paid by companies that sell generators.
3. Health care: same as educational system.
So, how can a poor man leave his poverty state. Is this really sustainable??

I love this thread! Thank God we still have people that think like this in Nigeria. Maybe there is still hope for this country afterall.

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by legibow: 9:25am On Aug 23, 2017
are u not all among..... how many of u have kids in Nigeria
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by bigerboy200: 9:27am On Aug 23, 2017
Ekeseges:
No be ASSU bros ooo. Na ASUU
Thanks.. na vex hold me

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by sophiadaniel(f): 9:30am On Aug 23, 2017
Whether this people like it or not, my kids would to private schools in the future! They can't waste an extra year due to ASUU strike
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by Nobody: 9:33am On Aug 23, 2017
Spoken like a true amala-head undecided

Can these ones ever get sense
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by komekn(m): 9:35am On Aug 23, 2017
kelvinreality:

Not so true. Not all civil servants solely rely on the income they derive from Federal Government.
Do you know that apart from FGN Stipends they may also have other source of income by engaging in trade. Dear ASUU, don't be so myopic on this issue. Some civil servants may even have unearned source of income.

The fact that the situation in Nigeria is bad and most people feed from hand to mouth due to depression do not mean we don't have people finding it easy in this country.

The overwhelming number of senior civil servants who have acquired properties way beyond thier income have expenditure beyond thier income is entirely through racketeering, stealing and misappropriation, simply corruption.

Go to Lekki phase1 and you will be amazed how many civil servants own multiple properties there it's not defensible.

And yes some have wives engaged in legitimate business but more often than not it doesn't add up.

We have judges with millions $ assets in Nigeria, UK and Dubai and we act like it's legitimate and normal.

The war against corruption will never under the current structure be won. Irrespective of who is in power APC or PDP it doesn't matter they are all corrupt.

And to crown it all the JUDICIARY is intrinsically corrupt and has been for donkey years. And they are supposed to convict people for corruption.

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by supaman04(m): 9:35am On Aug 23, 2017
mykel25:


Pls don't be myopic

My mum was a teacher when she sponsored two children in private university....sensible people have multiple source of income.... She has access to loans easily as a civil servant... So don't say few! If my mum can do it then many can do it! My mum remain my role model

that's a Bleep'n lie!!
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by OGHENAOGIE(m): 9:37am On Aug 23, 2017
miceroms:
I thought ASUU should know better about fallacy of hasty generalisation. Citizens are increasingly frustrated with the non-dynamic nature of our curriculum and incessant disruption of academic activities of public universities. The universities of today cannot cope with the number of persons seeking tertiary education. Which do they prefer? Making undergraduates struggle for lecture spaces or increasing the options available.
Don't mind that idiot assu fool....in as much as we shd empathize with some assu demands some of them are nonsense why will assu demand for 65yrs retirement and 70yrs for PhD holders and professor respectively...go to some of these our so caled public school u ll regret going to school....where lecturer act as Demi god give students useless grades..delay dem nonsense assu is one of d problem of our time....how many times have de defended victimized students rubbish
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by phiszo(m): 9:42am On Aug 23, 2017
True to an extent. Except few that have very good side businesses.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by TheVictorious(m): 9:46am On Aug 23, 2017
poseidon12:


And you think 200k per month is enough to send kids to private universities? Have you deducted his tax, house rent, food (which would take make up the bulk of the expenses), transportation for him and family, health care, taking care of extended family, clothes, building house in the village, etc? That 200k might not even go far for most families. And the average Nigerian family is typically large.
Most Nigerians do not depend entirely on their salaries. If one does, the person will die in penury. We are generally corrupt, from the President down to the least person on the employment ladder. The ASUU guy is right.


Apart from the basic necessities of life (mostly house feeding, clothing & rent), education must be treated as the greatest priority if we want to grow in this country. Besides, if families that live in one room apartments can pull resources together to buy cow(s) (we see that a lot, and not just that) just to throw lavish parties; why can't they do the same to train a child in school? That should tell you how we define our priorities in this part of the world. We are used to free education that is in the actual sense of it: "lack of education".

Majority of the citizens of America that go to school take student loans (despite the tax in such a country that is used to fund education) to pay for tution, because the understand that educatuion is priority.

You even wrote building house in the village; what nonsense!

Now don't come and tell me that I'm comparing schooling in Nigeria with a developed country that is worth paying for because it is money that built the worth in the educational sectors of academically-serious countries.

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by TheVictorious(m): 9:48am On Aug 23, 2017
rhames:



Just three questions:

1. How can I send my child to a university whose standard has fallen to the extent that the cut off mark for federal university entrance examinations JAMB 1s 180 or less than 200?

2. What standard obtains when that child graduates from the university?

3. Which employer will consider employing half baked graduates?




So what's your point inrelation to the subject of discourse?? Don't you think the Dr that spoke this on behalf of ASUU goofed big time?
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by TheVictorious(m): 9:50am On Aug 23, 2017
RegalD:

I think a law should be enacted stating that anyone in Govt. Office should not have his/her child schooling abroad or in a private institution here at home; this will make them more serious about developing the education of this country and also cause an end to all this incessant strike

TRUE but why that may not be possible is because it interferes with another paerson's fundamental right; the political office holder's child in question
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by TheVictorious(m): 9:53am On Aug 23, 2017
Aadeyinka:
all negativities here caused by govt when things are not put in order and simply because their children not involved,all their children schooling abroad so they less concern, same as hospital issues, they go abroad for headache etc claimed fake drugs are in Nigeria and most involved in shady business , most in power are bunch of idiots

But same does not exactly apply to schooling in Nigeria, don't you think so? Sending their children to Private schools is still an investment in the system, in the long run.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by greenguy: 9:54am On Aug 23, 2017
A lot of people here have made comments without having information about the civil service and its pay packages, and some have made quick comments only in defense of their parents/sponsors.

Generalisation is wrong, but this is so true except for a handful of civil servants. He who wears the shoe knows where it pinches.

A lot of civil servants have other sources fully dependent on their civil employment, some with sources hidden from the knowledge of their employer, and some with sources established from illegal gains from their employment - all is corruption.

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by rusher14: 9:55am On Aug 23, 2017
faceURfront:
After reading some comments here and several other comments in different fora, I realised we have a serious problem

1. The only person that speaks for ASUU are national officials, especially the National President. Any other person talking is expressing his personal opinion.

2. There is so much ignorance in this country.
And the most annoying thing is people make conclusive statements without any facts. Imagine somebody here saying the Dr earns nothing less than 400k per month. Well let that fellow know that you can have a PhD and still earn below 150k (which is an improved pay package as a result of several strikes someone called useless). Pay is dependent on rank not academic qualification. Yes academic qualification is a major factor in rank determination, depending on mode of entry into the system and some discipline, a PhD holder can earn less than 150k and a non PhD holder can earn way above 150k.

3. Before you go calling ASUU strikes useless, please note that ALL ETF projects you see on our university campuses are results of ASUU struggles. When was the last time you saw any new project in any university that is not an ETF project? From lecture halls to offices, labs to ICT centres, libraries to sports facilities and school clinics. Imagine if ASUU folded her hands and kept mute, public universities would have long gone extinct and let's see how many people can send their children to private universities...on how much that workers are being paid in this sorry country? Which brings me to the issue of civil servants sending their children to private universities.

4. Besides high ranking civil servants, majority of civil servants earn less than 150k per month. And we are talking about the Federal level. State civil servants earn less. But let's even assume a civil servant earns 300k per month. He has to feed, transport, pay for medical care, fuel his car(s), take care of family members every now and then ( remember we are in africa) fuel his generator and save some to either pay his annual rent, or save towards building his house or payoff loans he took to build his house or buy a car. Which money will he use in sending his children to private universities? Remember if he has just a child in the universities, most likely others are in the secondary school where fees are already sky rocketing. I can confidently say a civil servant who sends his children to private universities must be making money besides his salary, and given the level of corruption in this country, the probability that he is stealing that money is high.

You've said it all.

Because corruption is a culture in Nigeria, many cannot even tell what is a corrupt practice.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by TheVictorious(m): 10:00am On Aug 23, 2017
0b100100111:


Hello!

What's up there is a bitter truth!

A permanent secretary, ordinarily can not afford a standard private university not to talk of a reputable foreign one.

We re Nigerians and all know how it goes. Stealing has never been corruption in Nigeria.

A civil servant that can afford 800k for just one of his kid is a thief! Though few might be excluded. Very few!


None of my comment endorsed corruption but critically scrutinized the mindset of the university administrator that said this. And you have not proven me wrong in any way.

Now go back and read my previous comment to see that I stated; "for those who can afford it". Besides, the same people can afford cars (yes, any kind of cars!), good treatment, having inherited house(s) of their own, then this is very far from being one of our problems,

Also, what the hell if 800k "per year" compared to what public servants are paid every month; "if education is a topmost priority"

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by TheVictorious(m): 10:06am On Aug 23, 2017
mykel25:


Pls don't be myopic

My mum was a teacher when she sponsored two children in private university....sensible people have multiple source of income.... She has access to loans easily as a civil servant... So don't say few! If my mum can do it then many can do it! My mum remain my role model

GOOD!

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by AdeMavrodi: 10:07am On Aug 23, 2017
kelvinreality:

Not so true. Not all civil servants solely rely on the income they derive from Federal Government.
Do you know that apart from FGN Stipends they may also have other source of income by engaging in trade. Dear ASUU, don't be so myopic on this issue. Some civil servants may even have unearned source of income.

The fact that the situation in Nigeria is bad and most people feed from hand to mouth due to depression do not mean we don't have people finding it easy in this country.

You are not authorized to have a business when you are government employed. It's illegal. Go and learn more.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by Ekeseges(f): 10:09am On Aug 23, 2017
bigerboy200:

Thanks.. na vex hold me
I understand

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Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by TheVictorious(m): 10:10am On Aug 23, 2017
majekdom2:
it will make sense if they sell these public institutions so that all universities in Nigeria will be private and then pay high school fees to keep up. What do you think?

That may not be good for Nigeria "except they are run by non-profit institutions". Because if you give all the universities to private investors that are seeking their profit margin, you've further moved education away from the majority.
Re: Civil Servants Sending Their Children To Private Universities Are Corrupt – ASUU by fk001(m): 10:18am On Aug 23, 2017
sinkhole:
You'e right somehow o, because all academic staff, by default, is a member of ASUU! The VC and all the Profs will be part of ASUU and most of them are actually corrupt and on the side of government. When you hear ASUU shouting you can be rest assured that it is the Senior Lecturers and below that are shouting cheesy


Yea it's obvious

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