Empiree:
AbuUthaymeen


who edited my post I didnt add this phrase



Anyways,




what's sufism

Living spiritual body of islam is like bird without feather

Thats why u end up wth protestantism

No be me o..me wey dey use java phone.. maybe na mistake from your side... ehn i understand..thats exact5y what every sufi says. . . i do not dispute with it at all. . but u do agree that all your explanations, definitions, beliefs, actions and sayings should be FOR ALLAH and according to how rasul explained abi? . ..7t

Sissie:


� grin just when you think it can't get worse

Oh now i see. Was wondering what happened to my post. I usually paid attn to wat i typed

AbuUthaymeen:
No be me o..me wey dey use java phone.. maybe na mistake from your side... ehn i understand..thats exact5y what every sufi says. . . i do not dispute with it at all. . but u do agree that all your explanations, definitions, beliefs, actions and sayings should be FOR ALLAH and according to how rasul explained abi? . ..7t

beating around. answer the question

Sissie:


I did by mistake. I wanted to quote you but pressed modify instead. Mods can modify post

i already sensed ur footprint on it when i first saw it. Decided to give it benefit of the doubt. Having studied many here, without glancing at monikers, i can tell who wrote what

Empiree:
i already sensed ur footprint on it when i first saw it. Decided to give it benefit of the doubt. Having studied many here, without glancing at monikers, i can tell who wrote what

Lol. After sometime you get to understand people's thought process and writing styles

Empiree:
beating around. answer the question

WHICH QUESTION

AbuUthaymeen:
WHICH QUESTION

what's Ihsan in islam?

Empiree:
what's Ihsan in islam?

daadaa sise. . its means act according to QURAN and RASUL. .s o be do

AbuUthaymeen:
daadaa sise. . its means act according to QURAN and RASUL. .s o be do

Good. Now be quiet for good. Thats what ESSENCE of sufism is.

Empiree:
Good. Now be quiet for good. Thats what ESSENCE of sufism is.

1. Ehn sufism is a "sect" and rasul said all islamic sect will go to hell except 1...those who stays with his sunnah. 1. creating sect isnt sunnah. 2. worshiping grave isnt sunnah. 3. doing isbal isnt sunnah 4. doing kubura, salatu fathi isnt sunnah 5. worshipping sheiks isnt sunnah. 6. snapping pictures,puting it in m0sk,houses aint sunnah. 7. expecting protection, rizk, and other wordly things aint sunnah. 8. disobeying quran and hadith aint sunnah. 9. rejecting hadith aint sunnah. 10. doing loud azkar aint sunnah, doing it in jammah aint sunnah. 11. jalabi aint sunnah. 12. turning quran surahs to dua aint sunnah. 13.turning suratul iklas to surah of the dead aint sunnah. 14. believing ALLAH is everywhere aint sunnah. 15. believing you and everything is ALLAH aint sunnah. 16.sujud as greeting aint sunnah. 17. using tesubah aint sunnah#everyting about sufi isnt sunnah#..turn to sunnah then..po,k4k,

AbuUthaymeen post=59955696[s:
]1. Ehn sufism is a "sect" and rasul said all islamic sect will go to hell except 1...those who stays with his sunnah. 1. creating sect isnt sunnah. 2. worshiping grave isnt sunnah. 3. doing isbal isnt sunnah 4. doing kubura, salatu fathi isnt sunnah 5. worshipping sheiks isnt sunnah. 6. snapping pictures,puting it in m0sk,houses aint sunnah. 7. expecting protection, rizk, and other wordly things aint sunnah. 8. disobeying quran and hadith aint sunnah. 9. rejecting hadith aint sunnah. 10. doing loud azkar aint sunnah, doing it in jammah aint sunnah. 11. jalabi aint sunnah. 12. turning quran surahs to dua aint sunnah. 13.turning suratul iklas to surah of the dead aint sunnah. 14. believing ALLAH is everywhere aint sunnah. 15. believing you and everything is ALLAH aint sunnah. 16.sujud as greeting aint sunnah. 17. using tesubah aint sunnah#everyting about sufi isnt sunnah#..turn to sunnah then..po,k4k,[/s]

dull and boring dude`. Olodo

Empiree:
dull and boring dude`. Olodo

Ko daa egbon.. e change .. eyin na mo pe ko daa.. kilode ti okan yin le to bayi.. oro alkiamoh la n so yi. . e change egbon.. eyin na mo pe nkan te n se ki se nkan to right

AbuUthaymeen:
Ko daa egbon.. e change .. eyin na mo pe ko daa.. kilode ti okan yin le to bayi.. oro alkiamoh la n so yi. . e change egbon.. eyin na mo pe nkan te n se ki se nkan to right

I wondered why you didn't include International Quran Competetion in the above bid'at since it was not practiced by the nabi (saw) or his companions?. Is that too uncomfortable?.

You see things from your own perspective only and you assumed it is the only view?. Thank God folks like you were not the pioneers of Islam in Nigeria. Things would have been worst.

Empiree:
I wondered why you didn't include [b]International Quran Competetion[/] in the above bid'at since it was not practiced by the nabi (saw) or his companions?. Is that too uncomfortable?.

You see things from your own perspective only and you assumed it is the only view?. Thank God folks like you were not the pioneers of Islam in Nigeria. Things would have been worst.

You need not accuse(sic) me like that. . provf it to me why it isnt bida. .simple. . .I WILL PROVE IT TO YOU COZ IT HAS NO PROOF. . if it has, let me know. .n0b0dy kn0ws it all

AbuUthaymeen:
You need not accuse(sic) me like that. . provf it to me why it isnt bida. .simple. . .I WILL PROVE IT TO YOU COZ IT HAS NO PROOF. . if it has, let me know. .n0b0dy kn0ws it all

I simply asked you why didn't you include it on your list of bidat?

Empiree:
I simply asked you why didn't you include it on your list of bidat?

I do not remember it ni. . . i my own perspective in islam is absolutely not needed in islam. its my rasul and.my ALLAH (kitabwasunnah) perspective that matters

AbuUthaymeen:
I do not remember it ni. . . i my own perspective in islam is absolutely not needed in islam. its my rasul and.my ALLAH (kitabwasunnah) perspective that matters

yes, I know it is about "I didn't remember" bcus it it's uncomfortable for you just like your takfiree salafi brothers. Now, those who involved in Quran competition, according to you, are they alhubidah or not?. Remember this is a worldwide international Islamic event

Empiree:
yes, I know it is about "I didn't remember" bcus it it's uncomfortable for you just like your takfiree salafi brothers. Now, those who involved in Quran competition, according to you, are they alhubidah or not?. Remember this is a worldwide international Islamic event

Laughing hysterically.1.prove it to me that they are salafs. 2.if they were really salafs,they would never do it layelaye.. 3.if they are salafs and they are doing it,then they do not know it ni coz no salaf(s) will ever do bida layelaye..coz they are always fighting against bida . . . AND NA EVERYBODY WEY DEY SAUDI BE SALAF abi?#laughing#

AbuUthaymeen:
Laughing hysterically.1.prove it to me that they are salafs. 2.if they were really salafs,they would never do it layelaye.. 3.if they are salafs and they are doing it,then they do not know it ni coz no salaf(s) will ever do bida layelaye..coz they are always fighting against bida . . . AND NA EVERYBODY WEY DEY SAUDI BE SALAF abi?#laughing#

abeg, comot. Olodo nie. You have zero hikma

Your fellow salafi like abdelkabir and Co see nothing bidah about international Quran competition. They said it is mubah which is correct. But their shallow definition of bida go against their very own definition of it. That sounds hypocritical to me.

You are on the other hand a neo-salafi with zero knowledge, zero hikma, zero ijtihad, zero qiyas. But you are sincere and stick to your bogus definition of what bida is which is the reason they are unable to skunk you.

Sufi methodology however is very correct in many ways. They open up. They have the knowledge accompanied with hikma. Without hikma, they would not have accomplished many things you enjoyed today. So Quran competition can never be bidah. My problem with your salafI brothers is they are selective what is bida (where it favors them) and what is not (where they detest it). This makes you win over them even though your manhaj is sh!t.

In your fake manhaj, Islam is practically salat, zakat, Ramadan and haj. FULL STOP. Anything else is bidah. You give no room for activities in Islam just like them. If according to them quran competition is permissible, there are other activists that are sharia compliant they deem bidah. This is hypocrisy.

Islam is not all about reading text. You have to come up with certain activists depending on what's going on nationally, internationally, locally etc to promote Islam. This is sufi understanding and it is very correct bcus there are sahaba who did this. Example is CONGREGATIONAL TARAWEEH. If sayyidina Umar (ra) did not bring Muslims together under one imam, masajid would be chaotic with everyone screaming and confusing each other. This refutes nonsense that there is no bidat hassanat. Quran competition is also bidat hassanat in this context.

You are hypocritical too when ikupakuti showed you how some sahaba (rta) innovated many things in favor of Islam but you could not refute him. You ran away from the thread yet you claim others are upon bidah but you refused to make takfir of those sahaba. Stop that sh!t. It is very annoying

Empiree:


Your fellow salafi like abdelkabir and Co see nothing bidah about international Quran competition. They said it is mubah which is correct. But their shallow definition of bida go against their very own definition of it. That sounds hypocritical to me.

How many times have you lied on me on this forum, be rest assured that I will collect my rights from you on the day of qiyaama because of all the lies you've attributed to me, this is +1 added to the other numerous lies you've lied against me....

You'll have to bring where I said, I see nothing wrong with musabaqah....

Just one place oh liar...

What can i say? abdelkabir be salaf for your own view. . and even so that sahabah did bida..ehn they made mistake ni.. and even though they did bida, na everybody that does bida be kafir ni? Ehn. .if sufi does stuff according to quran and hadith ni? ehn ko ba daa.. u people never follow rasul..na ur sheiks una dey follow..that is exactly why you went dolal. ehn umar and the hadith u quoted,umar never did bida.congregational taraweeh has delil from raSul.. ehn he said bida hassana(good innovation) but congregational taraweeh aint bida. .#lobatan#..ISLAM is practically "aqeedah" and i never said islam is salat,hajj,zakaht#o tun pa iro mo mi# Ehn quran reading is zikr.its ibaadat and must be done according to how rasul did..quran competition sounds cool but since it has no proof in quran or hadith...and its ibaadat...doing it leads to bida..#lobatan#

AbdelKabir:


How many times have you lied on me on this forum, be rest assured that I will collect my rights from you on the day of qiyaama because of all the lies you've attributed to me, this is +1 added to the other numerous lies you've lied against me....

You'll have to bring where I said, I see nothing wrong with musabaqah....

Just one place oh liar...

Ehn prove it na. . whats your stand on musabaqah

AbuUthaymeen:
Ehn prove it na. . whats your stand on musabaqah

Pls go and find one place to sleep, you are not worthy of my precious time, keep discussing with your partner in crime Empiree..

AbdelKabir:


How many times have you lied on me on this forum, be rest assured that I will collect my rights from you on the day of qiyaama because of all the lies you've attributed to me, this is +1 added to the other numerous lies you've lied against me....

You'll have to bring where I said, I see nothing wrong with musabaqah....

Just one place oh liar...

Keep it simple so i know your stand henceforth. Is International Quran competetion, which started in Malaysia and now championed by Saudis is bidah or not?

AbdelKabir:


Pls go and find one place to sleep, you are not worthy of my precious time, keep discussing with your partner in crime Em.piree..

The moment you answer my qtn up there would put you on a hot sit. You are either with that clown or you're with me on this. No in btw.

AbdelKabir:


Pls go and find one place to sleep, you are not worthy of my precious time, keep discussing with your partner in crime Empiree..

Laughing hysterically. .empiree knows that am n0t his partner talkless of crime.

Empiree:
The moment you answer my qtn up there would put you on a hot sit. You are either with that clown or you're with me on this. No in btw.

Come to house and force me to be with you or that fool....


Hot sit? Lol, you seem to take NL so serious and your ego depends on what happens on NL, seriously shaking my head for your silliness.....

AbdelKabir:


Come to house and force me to be with you or that fool....


Hot sit? Lol, you seem to take NL so serious and your ego depends on what happens on NL, seriously shaking my head for your silliness.....

Alright. I will take this reply of yours to mean i was correct when i said:

Your fellow salafi like abdelkabir and Co see nothing bidah about international Quran competition. They said it is mubah which is correct. But their shallow definition of bida go against their very own definition of it. That sounds hypocritical to me.

So you have no right to collect from me on qiyama. You are given opportunity to prove me wrong. Your inability to answer puts you in the same position with that clown. You know too well the consequence of answering that question. . Henceforth, i consider your position on International Quran Competition to be bid'a until you can argue otherwise. In that case implication is that Saudi led International Quranic Competition is bid'a. Noted.

Don't cry next time that i lie about you.

Empiree:
Alright. I will take this reply of yours to mean i was correct when i said:







So you have no right to collect from me on qiyama. You are given opportunity to prove me wrong. Your inability to answer puts you in the same position with that clown. You know too well the consequence of answering that question. . Henceforth, i consider your position on International Quran Competition to be bid'a until you can argue otherwise. In that case implication is that Saudi led International Quranic Competition is bid'a. Noted.

Don't cry next time that i lie about you.

Your problem.....

Abdelkabir will never talk. . he knows am watching #laughing# and u wil say u be muslim o.. and u wil never stay put on any matter. . always staying in middle trying to please every0ne . .just like alaro. .him be friends with sufi and othes ahlu bida. .laughing. . all ganging up against jabata and anybody that follows quran and hadith. . .4

AbuUthaymeen:
What can i say? abdelkabir be salaf for your own view. . and even so that sahabah did bida..ehn they made mistake ni.. and even though they did bida, na everybody that does bida be kafir ni? Ehn. .

Ha ha ha alabosi. Isnt your campaign is "Kulu bidat kufr" Every bida is kufr according to you and your jabata. Why are you switching your mouth when it comes to sahaba? Are they exempted from kufr you attributed to others on bidah. Now you said their bid'a was 'mistake?

I said before your manhaj is fake. You are easily refuted. See how you flopped

if sufi does stuff according to quran and hadith ni? ehn ko ba daa.. u people never follow rasul..na ur sheiks una dey follow..that is exactly why you went dolal.

SUFISM (TASAWWUF): AS DEFINED BY SHAYKH ADAM ABDULLAH AL-ILORY In his book:


Athar al-'ilm wal-Falsafat wa t-Tasawwuf fi Masirat d-Da'wat al-Islamiyyah (1991).

1. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is a Belief and Duty. It is also a Devotion and Adoration. Tasawwuf is a Worship and Service. Thus, every Muslim is a Sufi.


2. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is a Research and Seeking for knowledge about Realities (Haqiqah). Thus, every seeker for reality is a Sufi.


3. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is Preaching and Guidance. Every preacher and guide is thus a Sufi.


4. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is showing indifference to what people possess, while desiring Allah's favour (i.e. Asceticism). Every Ascetic (Zahid) is Sufi...


To sum it up;


5. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is Purification of the Soul (Tazkiyat an-Nafs) and inculcating Good Behaviour and Virtue in such a way wild animals are tamed.


Source;

Sufi Thought of Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory, by Abubakar Imam Ishaq. A paper published in “Shaykh Adam Abdullah: In the Tableau of Immortality (2012), Volume II, Edited by Prof. Razaq D. Abubakre


So tell me, from definition given by Sheikh Adam, is sufism in islam or not?. Do you agree with this definition of sufism which you have been unable to answer for weeks now?. If you disagree with what he said, then, you are protestantism.

ehn umar and the hadith u quoted,umar never did bida.congregational taraweeh has delil from raSul.. ehn he said bida hassana(good innovation) but congregational taraweeh aint bida. .#lobatan#..

what u said here shows that you are hypocrite and dull. I remembered you said congregational taraweeh is bid'a, now you said it has dalil. Where is the dalil?. I wish i can bring your past posts on this. You are a liar buddy. Alhamdulilah however that you are forced to submit to us that congregational taraweeh is not bida' Thank God for that. You are forced to say this just to safe yourself from shame. Dont come up next time with nonsense. ashiri e ti tu. just like abdelkabir. Y'all fake salafis.

ISLAM is practically "aqeedah" and i never said islam is salat,hajj,zakaht#o tun pa iro mo mi#

You are really a confused fellow. You can't perform any of these without beliefs (aqeeda) in them. See how i dealt wit you. I thought you are knowledgeable as you claimed to be. smh. A non-muslim dont pray salat etc bcus they dont have AQEEDA in it. lo ba tan

Ehn quran reading is zikr.its ibaadat and must be done according to how rasul did..quran competition sounds cool but since it has no proof in quran or hadith...and its ibaadat...doing it leads to bida..#lobatan#

Ok, so all you shuyukh Bin Baz, Albani, Utheithemeen and countless of them committed this bid'a. Fantastic. NOTED and thanks for your sincerity unlike your brother abdelkabir.


ikupakuti, albaqir

oro ti so ara e o. Ati dismantle manhaj jatijati

AbdelKabir:


Your problem.....

Abuuthaymeen is far more sincere than you even though he is fake as you. So you have no right to collect on qiyama. See how i exposed all of you. Y'all fake

This is the 3rd time i will say it. . bida, the person doing bida has 3 excuse before that person can become a kafir. . .that is exactly how ALLAH did HIS LAW. 1. forgetfulness_ if you forget and u do a bida, u are n0t a kafir. . .2. misunderstood_ like the matter of sp0on and tesubah as bida: lots of people do not really understand it..whatever is misundestood..but that pers0n that misunderstood will strive to kn0w its true verdict. .so many ahlu sunnah scholars misunderstand hijab(by saying n0t c0vering every part of body is also hijab and that hijab aint compulsory),bidha(division of bida),khawarij(by saying they are muslims),menses(by using qiyas)... 3. force_ when one is force to do kufru act..and one has no choice. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . but when one didnt fall into any of these excuse. . . one becomes a kafir. . . . . . . . And please do n0t bring this up again, am tired of explaining it to you o o o o @ empiree . . se o ti ye e bayi . . . . .gyghn