If jesus died for our sins, ..then why is he coming back again?

to prepare suya?

he should just die and go to hell.

and why did he even die in the first place? they say he died to cleanse us of our sins. so is that another way of saying... christians, now you are free of sin. Go ahead. rape, pillage and plunder to your hearts content.



Clearly our ancestors were deceived. We must return to the GODS!

you are a drama queen. but one day you will meet Jesus

greatnaija01:
you are a drama queen. but one day you will meet Jesus

meet him and do what?

You don't understand because you haven't read the bible completely. Just got my own copy of the newest testament and it all makes sense now

AnonyNymous:
You don't understand because you haven't read the bible completely. Just got my own copy of the newest testament and it all makes sense now

0temAtum:

lol, this version is full of action and sci-fi. Its a good read. Also, it opens your eyes to the secrets of the universe

See ehn, the whole story bout Jesus death dey one kind to me. God Forgive me. I just dey believe am for believing sake.

As in died for us to be saved. Saved from what?
Those dat died before Jesus came nko?

If thats the case, shld we say these guys are in hell?
Plato, socrates, Alexander the great, etc cos clearly they existed before Christ.

How can a man die in Sokoto and then save everybody in Bayelsa who have nothing to do with his death or were there to witness it?

sorextee:
See ehn, the whole story bout Jesus death dey one kind to me. God Forgive me. I just dey believe am for believing sake.

As in died for us to be saved. Saved from what?
Those dat died before Jesus came nko?

If thats the case, shld we say these guys are in hell?
Plato, socrates, Alexander the great, etc cos clearly they existed before Christ.

Kudos. I like Christians that use their head. Continue this way and you'd jettison faith in no distant time.

sorextee:
See ehn, the whole story bout Jesus death dey one kind to me. God Forgive me. I just dey believe am for believing sake.

As in died for us to be saved. Saved from what?
Those dat died before Jesus came nko?

If thats the case, shld we say these guys are in hell?
Plato, socrates, Alexander the great, etc cos clearly they existed before Christ.

You are believing in it because you have no other sensible alternative to fall to.

The colonists did a good job in destroying any traces of your forefathers beliefs and spirituality.

What is your motive for creating this tread? Evangelism for the Gods? Persecution of Christians

Rucheen:
What is your motive for creating this tread? Evangelism for the Gods? Persecution of Christians

Evangelism for the Gods.

As for persecution dont talk about it. christians are the worst hypocrites who are responsible for the persecution of Pagans sinve their inception!

OP,
Jesus did not come to die for our sins but came to teach us the way back to the almighty. In the process, the authorities felt threatened and looked for a way to kill him. Charges he was innocent of were brought against him and he was crucified.
Remember his prayer on the cross'Father forgive them for they no not what they do.
If Christ came to die for our sins, then there is no need doing good since all our sins will an wiped off. Logically , this is wrong.
This is the main problem of Christendom. Most of his teaching has been interpreted upside down making difficult for the common reason to prevail.
What we are told is to JUST BELIEVE.
OP, I am a Christian but more serious one. I stay in Enugu,how I wish I can meet with an atheist and have a broad discussion . I really want to understand why they think that there is no God.
My email is chijiokefbn@gmail.com.

cjfbn:
OP,
Jesus did not come to die for our sins but came to teach us the way back to the almighty. In the process, the authorities felt threatened and looked for a way to kill him. Charges he was innocent of were brought against him and he was crucified.
Remember his prayer on the cross'Father forgive them for they no not what they do.
If Christ came to die for our sins, then there is no need doing good since all our sins will an wiped off. Logically , this is wrong.
This is the main problem of Christendom. Most of his teaching has been interpreted upside down making difficult for the common reason to prevail.
What we are told is to JUST BELIEVE.
OP, I am a Christian but more serious one. I stay in Enugu,how I wish I can meet with an atheist and have a broad discussion . I really want to understand why they think that there is no God.
My email is chijiokefbn@gmail.com.

You are the only christian here who has made a very logical and sensible comment. This is what I hage been trying to tell christians for ages. He never sacrificed his life for the people. He had no choice in his death. He was tried like a common criminal back then for instigating tension in Judaea. Even the Romans who were at loggerheads with the Jews over their aggresive abrahamist religionism and constant revolts, gave into their demands which shows their innate religious tolerance because his preachings were seen as troublesome and a threat to the stability of the Pagan Roman Empire. (which btw is what exactly happened with the creation of the byzantine Emoire and its eventual split and demise)


The abrahmaic faith which was once confined to only the borders of israel now threatened to spill oclver its borders and spread its anti Pagan stance by the preachings of this new heretic. The threat was now real.


P.S. I'm not an atheist . I am a Pagan Traditionalist.

I also have a hatred for Enugu xtians for destroying an ancient Igbo shrine couple of years back. I hope gou were not one amongst them.

obisco4u:
How can a man die in Sokoto and then save everybody in Bayelsa who have nothing to do with his death or were there to witness it?

JESUS CHRIST IS MORE THAN A MAN.. HE IS YOUR CREATOR WHOM CAME TO TAKE YOUR PLACE AND MINE IN DEATH...THANK YOU BLESSED LORD JESUS

PAGAN9JA:


You are the only christian here who has made a very logical and sensible comment. This is what I hage been trying to tell christians for ages. He never sacrificed his life for the people. He had no choice in his death. He was tried like a common criminal back then for instigating tension in Judaea. Even the Romans who were at loggerheads with the Jews over their aggresive abrahamist religionism and constant revolts, gave into their demands which shows their innate religious tolerance because his preachings were seen as troublesome and a threat to the stability of the Pagan Roman Empire. (which btw is what exactly happened with the creation of the byzantine Emoire and its eventual split and demise)


The abrahmaic faith which was once confined to only the borders of israel now threatened to spill oclver its borders and spread its anti Pagan stance by the preachings of this new heretic. The threat was now real.


P.S. I'm not an atheist . I am a Pagan Traditionalist.

I also have a hatred for Enugu xtians for destroying an ancient Igbo shrine couple of years back. I hope gou were not one amongst them.

I don't go about destroying shrines.
People tend to fear what they do not understand.
I have a relation that is a traditionist. People fear him; but his belief doesn't bother me. We discuss, exchange ideas and move on.
You can enlighten me more on pagan tradition. Don't want to arrive st preconceived wrong ideas.
Cheers

cjfbn:

I don't go about destroying shrines.
People tend to fear what they do not understand.
I have a relation that is a traditionist. People fear him; but his belief doesn't bother me. We discuss, exchange ideas and move on.
You can enlighten me more on pagan tradition. Don't want to arrive st preconceived wrong ideas.
Cheers

Great.

Where do you want to start. Its a very wide topic. You could go through some of my previous threads.

All Pagan religions are the same basic concept. As an Igbo man you can try learning the practical knowledge of Odinani which btw is very unorganized in this age and almost lost unlike Ifa.
Speak to elders and older Dbia priests; the real guys who still work in proper shrines relegated to Alusi.

not the modern ritualist variety.

However knowing the various rituals, prayers and customs is not enough unless you have a sound theoretical knowledge of the reasons for the practices. For these you might have to go through some of my previous threads or else you can just ask me doubts and I'll explain to the besr of my abilities.

There's a lot of igbo culture being promoted within the igbo-British community. Have a look at the channel.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_hnRYaqfew&list=PL1UutY7_uGmt-RkJ5NRGywNhmIMtIIjw9

GoldenChiddy:
There's a lot of igbo culture being promoted within the igbo-British community. Have a look at the channel.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_hnRYaqfew&list=PL1UutY7_uGmt-RkJ5NRGywNhmIMtIIjw9

No use of culture if there is no traditional religion to back it up.

obisco4u:
How can a man die in Sokoto and then save everybody in Bayelsa who have nothing to do with his death or were there to witness it?

As in ehn,i just tire..
Bayelsa and sokoto still dey the same terittory sef.. This one na across seas and oceans.

PAGAN9JA:


meet him and do what?

Ask him why he didnt come to Africa and had to let the white bring christainity to Africa on his behalf.. And why he allowed God to create all the evil gods/spirit for Africans and give the Whites the good ones such that they hav to preach to us and show us the 'Light' cos thats what his 'almighty' Bible preaches.

sorextee:
See ehn, the whole story bout Jesus death dey one kind to me. God Forgive me. I just dey believe am for believing sake.

As in died for us to be saved. Saved from what?
Those dat died before Jesus came nko?

If thats the case, shld we say these guys are in hell?
Plato, socrates, Alexander the great, etc cos clearly they existed before Christ.

Your holding to your religion and believing in its incredible stories for believing sake is not an issue. Ari also did so when he discovered that his religion was all fabricated lies. Here is the song which Ari sang

DOCTUFOS:
a song of Ari: Holding On To Shadows
worldly music 15: 5- 10

5. I thought I've found the truth in the little island. I said I'll die for the truth I found, nothing can take it away from me. What a privilege to be born in the truth? So I thought when I was born into Krishtanite.
6. When I began to slip away from faith alone, applying my logic and reasoning, my truth began to turn to shadows. I wonder why I never see it like this before.
7. Holding on to shadows, sticking to religion inspite of many errors in it. Fearing persecutions from religious people who look at you as the devil himself. I'm holding on to the shadows of religion.
8. Many like me know already that they were deceived. But they prefer to pretend as if they still believe. It's a method of adaptation, or else you'll be seen as the devil when the only evil you committed is applying logic.

9. When you begin to apply common sense above faith, applying your logic and reasoning, your truth begin to turn to shadows. You'll wonder why you never see it like that before.
10. Holding on to shadows, sticking to religion in spite of many errors in it. Fearing persecutions from religious people who look at you as the devil himself. I'm holding on to the shadows of my religion.

HarkymTheOracle:

As in ehn,i just tire..
Bayelsa and sokoto still dey the same terittpry sef.. This one na across seas and oceans.

Maybe the middle east is the central position of the fictitious earth where fictitous Jesus died in

bloodofthelamb:
JESUS CHRIST IS MORE THAN A MAN.. HE IS YOUR CREATOR WHOM CAME TO TAKE YOUR PLACE AND MINE IN DEATH...THANK YOU BLESSED LORD JESUS

jESUS is NOT my creator.. You are entitled to your beliefs,but not your FACTS..
Jesus may be your own creator,but not mine (or that of any other person who share the same conception as myself)..Speak for yourself bro.
#peace

OtemSapien:
Maybe the middle east is the central position of the fictitious earth where fictitous Jesus died in

Loll. Christains attack Traditionalists and people of other faiths,but an attack on christainity is an Attack on God..
Moral: Christains see themselves as the only people who serve God; Christainity is the criteria for going to heaven..others are going to 'hell'

HarkymTheOracle:

Loll. Christains attack Traditionalists and people of other faiths,but an attack on christainity is an Attack on God..
Moral: Christains see themselves as the only people who serve God; Christainity is the criteria for going to heaven..others are going to 'hell'

Christians only enjoy the benefits of written words which stands forever. Assuming our forefathers wrote down their histories before they were colonised, nobody would have submitted willingly to the foreign religions when we have our own histories to study.

DOCTUFOS: Proverbs of Otem 2:10

10. The words written a thousand years before is capable of enslaving the minds of billions of souls. So are the things called holy books written to enslave minds.

OtemSapien:
Christians only enjoy the benefits of written words which stands forever. Assuming our forefathers wrote down their histories before they were colonised, nobody would have submitted willingly to the foreign religions when we have our own histories to study.

You are 100 percent correct,they say the African religion is superstition but the staff of Oranmiyan (Opa Oranmiyan) and other significant sites/monuments that proves the prophets/Orisas of traditional religion actually existed are still where they are till tomoro.
Our lack of documentation (of the traditional religion) caused this..
Christains pray to God in the name of Jesus,but when a traditionalists pray to God via Obatala,he is going to hell.. Whatta logic.

HarkymTheOracle:

jESUS is NOT my creator.. You are entitled to your beliefs,but not your FACTS..
Jesus may be your own creator,but not mine (or that of any other person who share the same conception as myself)..Speak for yourself bro.
#peace

YOU CAN'T WISH AWAY THE TRUTH, NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO DECEIVE YOURSELF WITH A LIE..

THE TRUTH IS CONSTANT AND CANNOT CHANGE.

Christianity is overrated! Bunch of lies with more lies to defend themselves.

bloodofthelamb:


YOU CAN'T WISH AWAY THE TRUTH, NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO DECEIVE YOURSELF WITH A LIE..

THE TRUTH IS CONSTANT AND CANNOT CHANGE.

And who determines the "Truth"
You?