Fellow Nairalanders, have you ever stopped to wonder why there are so many attacks against Christianity popping up all over the place?

I mean, is Christianity the only religion with a large following around the world?

Let’s take a look at these two countries China and India.
India is set to overtake China as the world's most populous nation by 2050, while some countries will shrink by nearly 40%, according to new research.

The Population Reference Bureau (PRB) says the next half century will see wild swings in population sizes. It predicts that the number of people on Earth will reach 9.3bn by 2050, compared with 6.3bn today. –Source BBC

The Fact is that large parts of population of these two nations constitute Buddhists & Hindus. But does the present system bother about their influence?

Now here is the reason for so much attack on Christianity:

Christianity is Light. Light Exposes Darkness.

Bible Quote: Hebrews 4:12-13 says
12:”For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”
13: “Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the Eyes of Him to whom we must give account”.

Christianity is the Last beacon of Hope. Christianity is the only religion that still gets in the way of many evil intentions of men. Men want to be carnally free to do what ever they wish without the voice of inner conscience bugging them in anyway.

Imagine how low the earth would have descended without the few left voices of inner conscience that the doctrines of Christianity water by way of the Word.

I mean, men want to feel okay when they Sin, when they murder, when they blow up other people, when they cheat you, when they have sex with animals, when they open “Kinky Churches” for the promotion of whoredom.

They want to know its okay. They want their consciences seared with hot iron.

But tell me which religion is getting in the way. Genuine Christianity!!!!!!!!!!


Remember we Talking about Christainity and not "Some Motivational Speaker's Chapel"!!!

Isn’t the bible more than in fallible in it’s prophesies of the last days? What else do you expect? Some people have to come up with all sort of blasphemous shallow utterances.

They make up Phony Tales, Coin up names from old philosophies that never stood the test of time. Philosophies that were buried and only dug up from lost tombs, from the realm of death to fulfill latter day prophesies.

God knows the Grave Could Not Hold our Testimony. It Gave it Up In 3 days!!! Allelujah!!!

If not how would the Bible Prophesies be fulfilled.

Some Guys have to do the dirty job! But definitely not me!. They are fulfilling the Prophesies of “A Great Falling Away”!!

This is the Spirit of Anti-Christianity that would usher in the Anti-Christ. That is where the word comes from. People against Christianity!!!!!

We sure are in the Last Days!!!

we've been in the last days since the ascension of Christ. don't be scared, be prepared ,be sober, be vigilant, like the wise virgins.

@Pain

Far from that.

Christians have been preaching false doctrines all these while.

A lot of people were blindfolded into accepting the false doctrines.

But of recent, lots of people are beginning to realise the truth.

And may I ask you, which is the fastest growing religion?

Anyway, am just passing by

See ya later

Pain:

Fellow Nairalanders, have you ever stopped to wonder why there are so many attacks against Christianity popping up all over the place?

I mean, is Christianity the only religion with a large following around the world?

While Christianity isn't the only religion in the world with a large following, you have to appreciate the facts that it has the most adherents and it is the "standard" religion of the West. It's also arguable that it's the religion that receives the most attacks - even several of the things you consider attacks may not be attacks.

Let’s take a look at these two countries China and India.
India is set to overtake China as the world's most populous nation by 2050, while some countries will shrink by nearly 40%, according to new research.

The Population Reference Bureau (PRB) says the next half century will see wild swings in population sizes. It predicts that the number of people on Earth will reach 9.3bn by 2050, compared with 6.3bn today. –Source BBC

The Fact is that large parts of population of these two nations constitute Buddhists & Hindus. But does the present system bother about their influence?

I'd wager most of the people on this forum have never had a Hindu or Buddhist knock on their door trying to convert them to their respective faiths. I'd also bet that many of Hindus and Buddhists in the West aren't suppressing medical matters (that could be advances) and science. Most - at least in the West - aren't subjugating and persecuting others based on their (alledgedly) holy scriptures.

Now here is the reason for so much attack on Christianity:

Christianity is Light. Light Exposes Darkness.

Bible Quote: Hebrews 4:12-13 says
12:”For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”
13: “Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the Eyes of Him to whom we must give account”.

Christianity is the Last beacon of Hope. Christianity is the only religion that still gets in the way of many evil intentions of men. Men want to be carnally free to do what ever they wish without the voice of inner conscience bugging them in anyway.

Imagine how low the earth would have descended without the few left voices of inner conscience that the doctrines of Christianity water by way of the Word.

Really? I find that extremely doubtful, not least because Christianity has encouraged (or being used to encourage) what I deem to be evil intentions of men. Even before the onset of the new religion, its precedent - Judaism - was no different. Furthermore, how do you explain the morality in non-Christian cultures?

I mean, men want to feel okay when they Sin, when they murder, when they blow up other people, when they cheat you, when they have sex with animals, when they open “Kinky Churches” for the promotion of whoredom.

They want to know its okay. They want their consciences seared with hot iron.

But tell me which religion is getting in the way. Genuine Christianity!!!!!!!!!!

Considering Genuine Christianity(Tm) has racked up a high number of adherents who enjoyed most of what you mentioned and many still enjoy them, then I suppose it's safe to conclude it isn't getting in the way.

Remember we Talking about Christainity and not "Some Motivational Speaker's Chapel"!!!

Isn’t the bible more than in fallible in it’s prophesies of the last days? What else do you expect? Some people have to come up with all sort of blasphemous shallow utterances.

No

They make up Phony Tales, Coin up names from old philosophies that never stood the test of time. Philosophies that were buried and only dug up from lost tombs, from the realm of death to fulfill latter day prophesies.

Like what? The philosophies of Plato? Aristotle? Gautama Buddha? I can assure you those philosophies weren't buried and only dug up to fulfill latter day prophesies (then again, it has always been the last days, so I suppose you could argue that a philosophy that went out of public consciousness for a few years must have been dug up to fulfill the last days). I think you are generalising a lot.

God knows the Grave Could Not Hold our Testimony. It Gave it Up In 3 days!!! Allelujah!!!

If not how would the Bible Prophesies be fulfilled.

Subjective interpretation and dodgy exegesis.

Some Guys have to do the dirty job! But definitely not me!. They are fulfilling the Prophesies of “A Great Falling Away”!!

This is the Spirit of Anti-Christianity that would usher in the Anti-Christ. That is where the word comes from. People against Christianity!!!!!

We sure are in the Last Days!!!

Okay. Incidentally, I can't wait for a Muslim to use a similar ploy.

@babyosis,

Where did you cull your data from?

Islam is the True and Perfect religion. And that is what Allah states precisely about Islam:

Surah 12, Ayah 40 ", That is the true religion, but most among mankind know not."

Surah 30, Ayah 30 ", That is the true religion, but most among mankind know not."

Go to Source: http://www.islamicweb.com/index.asp?folder=begin&file=population

You will also see table from where you will get the updated fact.
The above source is updated from The CIA World's Facts Book estimate of 2004.

The table does not includes many other countries that have Muslims, but no available numbers, which should make the above total number of Muslims higher than 1,524,889,114. Islam annual growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. is 6.40%, This should make the total number of Muslims on Earth over 2.2 Billion by 2010.

The below shows the growth of Islam:

(1989-1998)
North America 25%
Africa 2.15%
Asia 12.57%
Europe 142.35%
Latin America -4.73%
Australia 257.01%

The number of the total population has been taken from The CIA World's Facts Book which can be found at: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook

The CIA World's Facts Book was used it to verify the total number of population in every country. But since it lacks the percentage of Muslims in each country, we used another statistic located at: http://www.flash.net/~royal/country.html

In 1986, the Muslim Education Trust organization (MET) located in the United Kingdom and directed by Ghulam Sarwar, obtained the 1971 census and information given by Embassies of the respective countries in London. The 1971 census showed the Independent Muslim countries population was around 784.5 Million and the Muslim Minorities countries had around 308 Million Muslim.

As for the U.N., the Briticana Encyclopidia for 1994 and for 1995 was used to get the growth rates. Briticana took those statistics from the U.N.

The final numbers were obtained by plugging in the percentage of Muslims (taken from MET) and the number of people (taken from CIA) in each country using Microsoft Excel.

The Worlds Major Religions Changes
Growth rates taken between

World Almanac and Book of Facts, 1935
and Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983

In the last half century,

Confucianism & Taoism decrease 13%
350,600,000
305,000,000

Judaism decrease 4%
15,630,000
15,000,000

Christianity increase 47%
682,400,000
1,000,000,000

Eastern Orthodox decrease 36%
144,000,000
092,000,000

Protestant increase 57%
206,900,000
324,000,000

Catholic increase 70%
331,500,000
565,000,000

Buddhism increase 63%
150,180,000
245,000,000

Hinduism increase 117%
230,150,000
500,000,000

Shintoism increase 152%
25,000,000
63,000,000

Islam increase 235%
209,020,000
700,000,000



Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion on Earth

babs787:

Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion on Earth[/b]

Yes, it's from a crazy fundie site; I still think it's valid.

Introduction:

The Islamic religion has a long history of myth making. The claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world is pure myth. We have collected the latest statistics from David A. Barrett’s huge two volume, "World Christian Encyclopedia", the 2001 AD edition. In case you haven’t heard of this work, it is the world standard for religious statistics.

Muslim's claim that their growth rate is 235 percent and 47 percent for Christianity. This statistic came from the Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and represents 235 percent increase over 50 years. Muslims always leave off the 50 year fact to make it appear they are going 235% every year. A simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion. Christianity has always been larger than Islam. These statistics from Readers Digest are over 20 years old. Further, we do not consider readers digest to be an authority on such matters. Why will Muslims not quote real authoritative statistics from certified research groups who show Islam is not the fastest growing religion in 3/4’s of the worlds countries.

There are over a billion Muslims in the world today, including 3 to 5 million in the U.S., making it the second most populous religion on earth after Christianity. According to some estimates, Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. (The Joy of Sects, Peter Occhigrosso, 1996, p394-397)
Islam is the religion which has developed from the preaching and life of Muhammad, a citizen of the city of Mecca in Arabia, who early in the seventh century of the Christian Era appeared as a preacher of monotheism to his own people and founded a religious movement which today counts perhaps as many as 300,000,000 followers, mostly in the heat belt from Indonesia to Morocco. (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p xi-xiv)
Before we examine the true facts from informed statisticians, we want to make it clear that we are not claiming Christianity is the fastest growing religion on earth. Such a claim is a needless as it is irresponsible. Having said this, in terms of sheer numbers, there are more Christians being added to planet earth, than any other religion on earth, including Islam. (see Table 1-2 for proof.)

Relative size and growth of Islam to Christianity:

From Table 1-1, there are 1.9 Billion Christians making up 31% of the world population, whereas there are only 1.2 Billion Muslims making up only 20% of the population. It seems that Allah's little trick by making Judas appear like Jesus, so Jesus could escape crucifixion and Judas was crucified in his place, kind of backfired, since 31% of the world's population never learned Allah played a trick and really believes that Jesus not only died, but was raised from the dead! This should be most troubling for Muslims to think that "Allah's deception" (Qur'an 4:156) actually became the world's largest religion!
From Table 1-1, the relative growth rates of Islam to Christianity are compiled from data that ended the very year before the great terrorist attacks of 911 against the world trade towers in 2001 and the train bomb in Spain in 2004. Statisticians are predicting that Islamic motivated terrorism will last the decade and bring Islam into great disrepute with the world population. This will have a very strong dampening effect on the long term predicted Islamic growth rates for the years 2025 and 2050.
From Table 1-1 you can see that the world growth rate of Muslims is 2.13, and for Christians it is 1.36. A closer look reveals, however that the birth rate of Muslims world wide, is literally double that of Christians. This is due to the fact that Muslims are largest in the developing world where dirt floors, thatched roofs and large families are common. When you the actual conversion rate, where men chose their religion, rather then are born into it, you can see that Christians are converting, on a percentage basis, almost twice as many as Muslims (1.7:1). This means that individual Christians are out converting Muslims almost two to one! What this means, is that as third world Muslim controlled countries gain the advantages of education and technology found in the Western world, their birth rate will drop off to match that of the West, but Christians will still continue to out convert them at a rate of 1.7:1.
Total adherents
New from conversion
Number of adherents to make one new convert:

Muslims
1,188,242,789
865,558
1,372

Christians
1,999,563,838
2,501,396
799


From Table 1-1 you can see that while Muslims claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world (2.13), the statistics say that Baha'is are growing at a faster rate (2.28) and faster still are Zoroastrians (2.65).
From Table 1-1 regarding world distribution, you can see that Islam is only in 204 of the worlds 238 countries. Christianity, on the other hand is in all 238 countries of the world. Christianity has a 100% penetration rate world wide!
From Table 1-2, you can see that presently every 24 hours, the world population of Christians increases by 69,000, whereas there are only 68,000 Muslims. The only reason Muslims are anywhere near Christians is because of higher birth rates in the parts of the world where Muslims are largest. The vast majority of the 69,000 Christians will be educated, whereas the majority of the 68,000 Muslims will be illiterate peasants without clean drinking water.
From Table 1-4, you can see the relative growth rates of Christianity vs. Islam broken down into 6 continents. In each of the 6 continents, Christianity enjoys a wider distribution of countries.
From Table 1-4 the continent "Africa" we observe that Christianity slightly larger but is growing at a much faster rate than Islam. Although the birth rates are about identical, individual Christians are making twice as many converts as Muslims. In the African continent, Christians are both the largest and fastest growing in relation to Islam.
From Table 1-4 the continent "Asia" we observe that although Islam is 25% and Christianity is only 10% of the population, again Christianity is growing at a must fast rate. Even the Jews are growing at a faster rate (2.99) than the Muslims in Asia! While birth rates for Muslims are higher than Christians, individual Christians are 13 times more effective at making new converts than Muslims. In the Asian continent, Christians are growing faster than Muslims.
From Table 1-4 the continent "Europe" we observe that while Muslims are growing faster than Christians, Buddhists claim the prize for the fastest growing religion at a rate of 1.39. Muslims make up only 5% of the population in Europe and most of the Muslim growth in Europe is from immigration. Although 77% of Europeans are Christians, Buddhists, not Muslims, are the fastest growing religion in the continent of Europe.
From Table 1-4 the continent "Latin America" that we observe that while Muslims (1.99) are growing faster than Christians (1.63), they make up only 1/3 of 1% (.3%) of the population, whereas Christians are 92 % of the population. The down trend in Christianity conversion is mainly defects from Catholics to non-religious. It must be troubling for Muslims to know that although they are growing faster than Christians, Baha’is are growing much faster than Muslims at a rate of 2.87! In the Latin American continent, Christians make up 93% of the population. Although tiny Islam is fastest growing faster than Christianity, it is the Baha’is, who take the prize for fastest growing the Latin America.
From Table 1-4 the continent "North America" we observe that while Muslims are growing faster than Christians, they make up only 4% of the population, whereas 84% are Christians. Most of the Muslim growth in North America is from immigration. Canada alone immigrates more Muslims apart from the USA, to account for almost all the growth in all of North America every year! It sure must be a hollow boast for Muslims to claim they are the fastest growing religion in North America, when it is because of the kindness and generosity of Christians who let them immigrate, often fleeing the persecution between hostile Muslim sects. There are still 50% more Jews in North America than Muslims in 2004. Muslims lie when they tell you they are the fastest growing (1.56) religion in North America. From Table 1-4, we can see that they are no better than 5th place in growth behind: Atheists (3.51), Hindus (3.13), Sikhs (2.81), Buddhists (2.75), Baha’is (2.25). We tire of the lies and myth making of Islamic spin doctors.
Muslims claim they are the fastest growing religion in Canada, based upon the National Census: 1971: 33,000; 1981: 98,000; 1991: 253,000. But from Table 1-4 shows that there were less than 11,000 Muslims in Canada in 1900! Sure on a purely statistical basis, dividing the small initial numbers by those added by immigration, they come out on top, but that’s because of the kindness of the Christians who let them into their country! It is a myth that Muslims are converting any measurable numbers of non-Muslims. The most common reason somone converts to Islam is through marriage. These same individuals would have converted to be Jews or Christians, if that was their new spouses religion.
From Table 1-4 the continent "Oceania" we observe that Christians represent 83% of the population and Muslims are a miniscule 1%.Yet the facts are that in Oceania, Muslims are indeed growing at a fast rate than Christians at 3.04. But the fastest growing religion is "new-religionists" at a staggering rate of 9.02, followed by Buddhists at 5.19, then Sikhs at 3.55, then Zoroastrians at 3.18. Muslims are no better than the 5th fastest growing religion in Oceania!
Conclusion:

There are more new Christians added to the world population than any other religion on earth every day. This data makes the entire discussion about "rates of growth" irrelevant. The fact is today, that Christianity is the fastest growing religion on this most critical basis. This may change, but today, in 2004 AD, Christians take the prize for being the fastest growing religion.
On none of the 6 continents are Muslims the fastest growing religion.
That Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world is pure myth at best and at worst a deliberate deception of solid statistical facts.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm

From Wikipedia

There are several different religions claimed to be the “fastest growing religion”. Such claims vary due to different definitions of “fastest growing”, and whether the claim is worldwide or regional. Because it can be difficult to gather accurate data for some regions, such claims are often disputed.

Claims to the fastest growing religion

Note that it would be an argumentum ad populum to claim that being the “fastest growing religion” has any logical consequences about the truth of that religion.

[edit] Buddhism

The Australian Bureau of statistics claims Buddhism to be the fastest growing religion in Australia in terms of percentage gain with a growth of 79.1% for the period 1996 to 2001 (200,000→358,000).[2]

[edit] Falun Gong

No reliable data is available for the number of adherents of Falun Gong but as this religion was only established in 1992 most of the growth must have been by conversion. Estimates for the number of adherents for 1999 range from 2 million[3] to 100 million.[4]

[edit] Christianity

As Christianity is the largest religion in the world, any increase in the world population will give Christianity a greater absolute number of new members.

* The U.S. Center for World Mission claimed a growth rate of 2.3% for the period 1970 to 1996, (slightly higher than the world population growth rate at the time). This increased the percentage of Christians from 33.7% to 33.9%.
* The World Christian Encyclopaedia estimates that there were 2,883,011 converts to Christianity each year between 1990 and 2000.[5]

[edit] Islam

Data for Islam reveal that the growing number of Muslims is due primarily to the higher than average birth-rates and consequent population growths of Muslim countries and communities.

* In 2006, countries with a Muslim majority had an average population growth rate of 1.8% per year (when weighted by percentage Muslim and population size).[6] This compares with a world population growth rate of 1.12% per year.[7]
* According to the World Christian Encyclopaedia, between 1990 and 2000, Islam received around 865,558 converts each year. This compares with an approximate 2,883,011 converts each year for Christianity during the same period.[5]
* A United Nations' survey showed that between 1989 and 1998, Europe's Muslim population grew by more than 100 percent, due mainly to the effects of immigration from Muslim countries. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance have an unsourced claim of 2.9% per year.
* The World Almanac Book of Facts 1935 estimated 209,020,000 Muslims in the World. The Readers Digest Almanac 1983, estimated 700,000,000, Comparing these two estimates gives an average annual growth of 5% or 10,228,750 for Islam over these 48 years.[8] But note that this value is unreliable as these rates are calculated from two separate sources, which may have used different counting rules.

[edit] Non-Religious

* The American Religious Identification Survey gave Non-Religious groups the largest gain in terms of absolute numbers - 14,300,000 (8.4% of the population) to 29,400,000 (14.1% of the population) for the period 1990 to 2001 in the USA.[1][9]

[edit] Wicca

* The American Religious Identification Survey gives Wicca an average annual growth of 143% / 11,454 for the period 1990 to 2001 (8,000→134,000 - U.S. data / similar for Canada & Australia).[1][9] (And this figure does not include self-identified pagans and druids, many of whom are also Wiccan).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest_growing_religion

babs to answer your question read this quote

A

simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion. Christianity has always been larger than Islam.

and read the rest of kags posting.

Now read this babs.

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century. On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.

As to how that happened, well
.there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people.

In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity

These numbers are very large indeed …,

Maher Abdallah (interrupting):
Hold on! Let me clarify. Do we have 6 million converting from Islam to Christianity or converting from Islam and other religions?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Great (question)! The other religions are not placed on the list of Christianization; rather they are placed on the list of evangelization. The other religion in Africa is paganism; so it’s Islam, Christianity or paganism. There isn’t something similar to Asia for example where you have Buddhism or Zoroastrianism. In Africa it is just these three, so if you talk about Christianization then it targets the only other heavenly religion which is Islam. As for paganism, those people worship animals and planets and the like.

Maher Abdallah:
So 6 million Muslims a year convert?


Now read the rest of the story and the whole interview including the Aljazeera clip to that even in arabic if you understand arabic,I hear you guys just recoite it and don't know zilch of the language.

Babs you must know that most Christian converts from Islam keep it secret because of fear of death at the hands of family and they are a large number.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

It seems that Allah's little trick by making Judas appear like Jesus, so Jesus could escape crucifixion and Judas was crucified in his place, kind of backfired, since 31% of the world's population never learned Allah played a trick and really believes that Jesus not only died, but was raised from the dead! This should be most troubling for Muslims to think that "Allah's deception" (Qur'an 4:156) actually became the world's largest religion!

@all,
So, according to the Koran, It was not Jesus that was crucified!. But Allah substituted him at the last minute and made Judas (I thought it was a Simon) to be crucified instead i.e Allah played a trick; changing the appearance of Judas or Simon to Jesus who was then crucified while Jesus escaped. But, that deception by Mr "Allah" has now become the largest faith in the world. Waoh! This only proves a number of things:

(1) The "Allah" of the Koran must be one sloppy god and a poor strategist because his trick backfired.
(2) It is quite unlikely that the God described in the Bible is the same as the sloppy "Allah" of the Koran.
(3) Maybe the writer of the Koran is confused about substitutionary atonement

babs you may prefer to watch this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVAxMp8Jpa8

@KAG,

Do you have any proof to debunk the claim that jesus was neither killed nor crucified?


@ lafile,

At the end of the thread, we will surely know whether jesus was killed and crucified.

babs this thread was earlier talking about your claim of Islam being the fastest growing religion,a lie perpetrated by muslims and when you see no headway you want to continue you crucifixtion argument here.

You have consisently made no sense in the thread you started for that purpose,do you suddenly expect to make sense on this one?

Have you wondered why no muslims have joined in your hyperactive fit,they know you sound very incoherent and ignorant,that's why.

babs787:

@KAG,

Do you have any proof to debunk the claim that jesus was neither killed nor crucified?


@ lafile,

At the end of the thread, we will surely know whether jesus was killed and crucified.

The burden of proof is on you and you are yet to give one single evidence that Christ was not crucified.
Don't twist it around.
your Al taquiyah is not working properly since we now know what it is.

babs787:

@KAG,

Do you have any proof to debunk the claim that jesus was neither killed nor crucified?

I thought you knew enough to start a whole thread on it? Now you have to ask an atheist to help you out of your own quagmire?

@ babyosis,

I am even laughing here with regards to your post.

Posted by babyosis,
The burden of proof is on you and you are yet to give one single evidence that Christ was not crucified.
Don't twist it around.
your Al taquiyah is not working properly since we now know what it is.

Did you see where I stop?

Like I said, the question seemed tough for you, little wonder you resorted to your ignoring of a thing stuff.

An evidence

I asked your sister if jews massage rotten bodies after three days still no response.

It is a fact that muslims, christians and jews do no massage dead bodies after three days.

In three days, a corpse starts rotting from within and if we massage such a decomposing body, it will fall into pieces.

For her to have gone to massage Jesus, she must have sensed that jesus didnt die and came to massage him to relieve him of the pain.

Or better still, of what use is the massaging of a decomposing corpse? Does it make sense to massage a decomposing corpse?

That is just one of the evidence.

Secondly,

mary asked jesus where Jesus was taken to so that she might take her away. (john 20v15)
Did you notice the pronoun "him" and not "it" used for a corpse?

another question there is that, what did she want to do with a decomposing corpse? To re-bury? or to put under her bed?

3.Can she alone carry the corpse.

4. Can she alone bury him even if she had come to carry him? I dont think she wanted to dump her somewhere, she must have come for burial!

NO, she came for live jesus having seen sign of life in him.

Take care till I come with more evidence and if you still agree that he died and was crucified, I will nail you with the last evidence, the SIGN OF JONAH (very interesting)

Take care.

@davidylan,

I never knew you are still around having been knocked out by your sister shahan.

babs787:

@ babyosis,
An evidence

I asked your sister if jews massage rotten bodies after three days still no response.

It is a fact that muslims, christians and jews do no massage dead bodies after three days.

In three days, a corpse starts rotting from within and if we massage such a decomposing body, it will fall into pieces.

For her to have gone to massage Jesus, she must have sensed that jesus didnt die and came to massage him to relieve him of the pain.

Or better still, of what use is the massaging of a decomposing corpse? Does it make sense to massage a decomposing corpse?

I'm intrigued by the above quote,never thought of It.

Did Jews Anoint Corpses After the Burial? Please not that I used "ANOINT" instead of "MASSAGE" because the Bible used Anointing of of the body,saying its Massaging is Misleading
.
If Jews anointed dead bodies after they have been buried when did this practice stop? I hope to get positive responses.

I am not a Religion Hater, I respect everyone ones religion,provided the religious practice does not infringe on my right not have one.I am AGNOSTIC

blabs,I probably saw all those Islamic websites you've been parading as your own knowledge way before you did.
You saw how dumb you sounded on your own thread by your proofs of Christ not being crucified and found a new site with some more set of "proofs" that you think are more "authentic".

Now tell me a passage where Jesus's body was to be massaged by mary and one backing your second claim and we'll take it from there.

Babs787,

Do the decent thing by providing the source of aguments,its really naughty making US the honourable members of this forum assume that your post are your idea.

I have done a bit of reseach on the subject of anointing the dead after burial and I have sent out emails to Pastors and Rabbis on the this issue.

"1. Is it a practice to anoint dead bodies on the third day in ANY religion?

When a body is taken down so as not to have it hanging out on the Sabbath and put into a tomb without anointing, I would say, yes, that anyone would not want someone they love to rot without anointing and would go back after the Sabbath to do so, especially women who followed Jesus and ministered to him and loved him very much and were there when we died on the cross."

Source. http://michaellee.modernwriters.org/viewtopic.php?p=5186&sid=24f0664dbd72e181e15ebe9757355852

God spoke through the burning bushes to Moses,through the mouth of a donkey to Balaam,he can sure speak even through an atheist.
Christ even made a comment about his own anointing at death well before his crucifixion,those your lying Islamic sites did not know that either so Christ being annointed at death was already foreseen.

Read the Bible yourself,when you copy and paste nonsense,you end up looking very bad.

Muhammad copied and pasted the cock and bull stories( from the gospel of barnabas that has been proven to be fake) about Jesus turning clay to a bird which is not recorded anywhere in the Bible yet babs with all his dignity believes it,only to question the crucifixion which is not denied by Jews or ancient historians.

You deny the crucifixion and resurrection,the basis of our faith because Muhammad says so,a man who appeared on the scene centuries after Jesus that saw no ill in lying,cheating,killing,raping and causing mayhem and making up the religion,adding and subtracting "revelations" to suit his sick mind deceiving his followers of one certain allah.
Muhammad was that allah.

A man who contemplated suicide several times whose Child bride even acknowledged his demon posession.

Muhammad told many lies,that was just one of his lies.
Christ died and is risen and lives forever.
Muhammad died after being poisoned by a slave girl,was buried and is today rotted away.
No amount of prayers you render for his soul will change his location if he did not repent before the poison took it's toll.

Keep parading your ignorance.
I do not make any claims about your so called prophet without showing you hadiths and the Koran to prove it,if you ask for it,I shall give it.

This is a verse of the Koran that the Muslims are not in any hurry to quote.
I strongly believe Mohammed and his allah forgot to abrogate this one.

3:55 "Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute

let blabs give us the Altaquiyyah on this one.

for those who don't know of al taquiyyah read the link below.
Take anything a Muslim says by a pinch of salt,allah says they can deceive non muslims and tell them what they want to hear.
http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

mrmayor:

Babs787,

Do the decent thing by providing the source of aguments,its really naughty making US the honourable members of this forum assume that your post are your idea.
- - -
Source. http://michaellee.modernwriters.org/viewtopic.php?p=5186&sid=24f0664dbd72e181e15ebe9757355852

Well, you finally got a source for that. I've read most of his blabs on other weblogs but could not remember the URLs. To plagiarise articles from other websites and treat them as his own ideas is not only dishonest - it is also infantile.

babyosisi:

This is a verse of the Koran that the Muslims are not in any hurry to quote.
I strongly believe Muhammad and his allah forgot to abrogate this one.

3:55 "Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute

let blabs give us the Altaquiyyah on this one.

I'm just waiting on his taqiyya on that one.

BTW @babs787, can you please tell us which branch/sect of Islam you adhere to; and what Christian denomination you formerly belonged when you were a Christian?

Thanks.

@mrmayor,




Thanks for that wonderful and funny site. It seems babyosis and 4 get me never checked the site.

Once thanks for the site.

Before I address both of you one after the other, I want you two (babyosis and 4get me) to check the below sites where you will read many historical errors in Jesus’ trial and crucifixion

http://www.secweb.org/index.aspx?action=viewAsset&id=125

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/james_still/jesus_trial.html

http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/sanhedrin.html

http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishviewofjesus/a/jesus_trial.htm

http://www.pathlights.com/theselastdays/tracts/tract_13c.htm

Happy reading

These christians have been preaching false doctrine on the cruxifixion of jesus for the past thousands years, having led and still leading thousands of people astray.

The time has come for people to see the truth and wake up from the deceit perpetrated by babyosis and the rest.

Sometime ago, I told Havila that Paul started christianity and that Followers of Jesus christ were called Nazarene and had their religion different from today's christianity but he called me liar.

Truth will always prevail falsehood.

Now please check the site below, there you will read about Essenism. The name of the Essenes had been changed previously from Hassidim to Essenes. Philo calls them Therapeutae, and Eusebins says the Therapentae were Christians. They have their doctrines different from christianity

http://www.thenazareneway.com/essene_and_christian_parallels.htm

Jesus said:
"After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with healing in his wings" ~Jesus, The Essene Gospel of Peace

Secondly, please go to
http://www.thenazareneway.com/index.htm

Where you will read about

The Apocryphal Texts, The Gospel of the Nazarenes, The Essene Gospels of Peace, The Nag Hammadi Library, The Gospel of Thomas ,The Greek New Testament,Christ in Islâm etc

You will also read about the forgotten teachings, origin of the Essenes, Jesus having a son, etc

Please very important.

TRUTH HAS COME, FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH.

Now to your post. Let me start with 4 get me

Hope you are all seeing the reasons for the non-interference of my brothers and sisters. A knowledgeable muslim is enough for thousands of christians put together. Islam is the truth and I have been exposing the fraud in christianity and will continue till people see the falsehood in christianity especially the issue of christ being crucifified.

@4 get me

You posted a quote in which you never ponder on before posting to me.

3:55 "Behold! Allah said:  O Jesus!  I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection:  Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute

Note the words, 'I will take thee and raise thee to myself', 'and clear thee of falsehood of those who blaspheme, ' I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith',

Let see one after the other.

1. 'I will take thee and raise thee to myself' . Compare the words with that of Quran 4v 156-159 and Isaiah 52v 13: Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Isaiah 52v13: he will be raised and lifted up

The book of Isaiah didnot say that he would be resurrected. They did not kill him and that is the reason for God raising him up. He will come as the sign of the last hour to come and live and die. No being can die twice. It is appointed unto man to die once. Isaiah even used the words, 'raised' and 'lifted' to clarify the issue.

Also, ", he will be raised and lifted up, " seems to suggest that Jesus will be picked up right from the cross, or saved right from the cross by Allah Almighty.  "raised and lifted" seems to suggest that Jesus will not die, nor get crucified, but rather be raised and lifted by GOD Almighty to Heavens.

It just seems odd to see both words "raised" and "lifted", and not just one of them, in Isaiah 52:13, and yet think that they agree with the fabricated crucifixion story about Jesus in the NT.  

Why did GOD Almighty choose to say "raised" and "lifted" in Isaiah 52:13?

2. clear thee of falsehood of those who blaspheme,

So you dont know that the above verse is referring to you christians! You have been saying all sorts of blasphemous statement against Jesus, calling him God, son of God, the saviour, he died for your sin, etc. Muslims do not blaspheme against him, we accord him respect and accept him as the servant and messenger of Allah (swt).Better still,  can you tell where Muslims has blasphemed against Jesus.

3. I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith',

Yes. We muslims are the real followers of Jesus. We believe in his birth, his miracles, his being to Israelites, his ascension etc. But you do not follow him, you are acting contrary to him. Jesus made it clear in the bible that he is not but you claimed he is God. He said that one can gain paradise by keeping the commandments but you said no, its only through his blood, etc. Also go to the link I supplied, you will read about Nazarenes and christianity and will read about Jesus christ as the PROPHET OF ISLAM.

Read the below verse again

"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge;  That they said (in boast):  'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.'  But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.  Nay[b], Allah raised him up Unto Himself;[/b] and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise.  And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him  (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them.   (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"  

Did you read the above too.

A word is enough for the wise.

Salam.

Now over to babyosis

@babyosis,


Thanks for tendering your ignorance. Your sister left because she couldnt answer the questions. Mrmayor posted a site and you didnt bother to check before giving it to me.

It is very glaring that pastors and the like have never provided answers and will never be because its a fraud.

I will paste it here for readers to see.

Here goes the questions as listed in the site
1. Is it a practice to anoint dead bodies on the third day in ANY religion?

Read the response
When a body is taken down so as not to have it hanging out on the Sabbath and put into a tomb without anointing, I would say, yes, that anyone would not want someone they love to rot without anointing and would go back after the Sabbath to do so, especially women who followed Jesus and ministered to him and loved him very much and were there when we died on the cross. Why would they go to anoint someone who was only in a coma?

The question still goes of what use is the anointing of a dead, decomposing body?

We learnt that Joseph and Nicodemus had already done the anointing with ‘hundred pounds weight of aloes and myrrh’ (john 19v39). So what sort of anointing is that again? Mary saw the sign of life in Jesus and decided to come and help the Master by massaging him.

Do they go to Sabbath to anoint the dead after it has been buried? No its never done. Why will they want to anoint a decomposing body?

It is known that Jews do not ‘anoint’ a dead decomposing body after three days. We also learnt that Nicodemus did the anointing for Jesus.

Mrmayor, help me ask her

1. Do Jews re-anoint an already anointed decomposing body after three days?
2. Of what use is the anointing and re-anointing?
2. When did the practice stop

More to come after this

Babs787,

Thanks for the links,I have checked out the first one and it only confirms my original post;please note that I'm not holding brief for any religion as I have reservations to all who believe in things they can't see or prove its existence.

Now back to your argument,the bible stated that Jesus died on a Friday at the 9th hour making it 3pm;he was taken down and pieced with a spear to make sure he was dead and handed over to Joseph for burial.

The traditional Jewish burial rites required washing and anointing of the body before burial but this wasn't possible because he had to be buried before Sunset.The Bible clearly states that because of the controversies surrounding his claim to resurrect after three days a stone was placed at the entrance of his grave sealed with the seal of Pontius Pilate the Roman Governor of Judea.He placed a company of soldier (12-16) guarding it.

Please note that,the punishment for a Roman Soldier caught sleeping on duty was death

The third day was the Sunday and also the first day of the week,his followers went to the grave to wash and anoint the Body of Jesus to Complete the Burial rites.

My aplogies for not providing bible links to my summary above,I'm quite sure sure you guys know where to find the relevent material

@babs87,

babs787:

Now to your post. Let me start with 4 get me

Hope you are all seeing the reasons for the non-interference of my brothers and sisters. A knowledgeable muslim is enough for thousands of christians put together. Islam is the truth and I have been exposing the fraud in christianity and will continue till people see the falsehood in christianity especially the issue of christ being crucifified.

You are neither knowledgeable nor intelligent; and only half-baked under-achievers applaud themselves the way you do - especially when they are dishonest. The only reason why your Muslim brethren have not been actively participating is because: first, they have nothing to say; and second, because they would choose rather to not appear as dishonest as you.

babs787:

@4 get me

You posted a quote in which you never ponder on before posting to me.

3:55 "Behold! Allah said:  O Jesus!  I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection:  Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute

I didn't see 4get_me posting that quote to you - his reply was to babyosisi, and he only left you a few questions.

babs787:

Note the words, 'I will take thee and raise thee to myself', 'and clear thee of falsehood of those who blaspheme, ' I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith',

Let see one after the other.

1. 'I will take thee and raise thee to myself' . Compare the words with that of Quran 4v 156-159 and Isaiah 52v 13: Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Isaiah 52v13: he will be raised and lifted up

The book of Isaiah didnot say that he would be resurrected. They did not kill him and that is the reason for God raising him up. He will come as the sign of the last hour to come and live and die. No being can die twice. It is appointed unto man to die once. Isaiah even used the words, 'raised' and 'lifted' to clarify the issue.

1. Most Muslims believe that the words of Qur'an 3:55 ['I will take thee and raise thee to myself'] point to ascension rather than to resurrection of Jesus. However, Isaiah 52:13 does not speak of ascension nor resurrection; rather, the words in that verse are expressive of honour - as Douay Rheims version has it: "he shall be exalted, and extolled, and shall be exceeding high" (or as GoodNews renders it simply: "he will be highly honored".

2. In that verse, Isaiah does not suggest an ascension at all; but rather used a familiar Biblical expression for greatly honouring or extolling/highly praised. There are other verses to bear this out:

Isa. 33:10 - "Now will I rise, saith the LORD; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself."

I Chron. 14:2 - "And David perceived that the LORD had confirmed him king over Israel, for his kingdom was lifted up on high, because of his people Israel."

You can see that nowhere in all these instances were resurrection or ascension suggested by such pharses as "rise", or "lift/lifted up".

3. There are some people who have died twice. Those (such as Lazarus and the son of the widow) who were miraculously raised from the dead by Jesus Christ, have yet died again as they are not alive to this day. When the Bible says "it is appointed unto men once to die", you should first seek to understand that statement before using it to trump up your convoluted ideas.

babs787:

Also, ", he will be raised and lifted up, " seems to suggest that Jesus will be picked up right from the cross, or saved right from the cross by Allah Almighty.  "raised and lifted" seems to suggest that Jesus will not die, nor get crucified, but rather be raised and lifted by GOD Almighty to Heavens.

1. "Raised and lifted up" as found in the NIV does not suggest a resurrection nor ascension - as shown above. If anything at all, to read the word "raised" in reference to the Messiah will only strongly suggest that He first died: for that is the precise meaning of someone being "raised up", as He Himself bears out:

Matt. 11:5 - "The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them."

2. I don't know of any Muslim who suppose that Jesus Christ was put on the Cross; not to mention that He was "picked up right from the cross!" You are only forcing a view that is neither substantiated in the Bible nor in the Qur'an.

3. Jesus actually died and rose again from the dead - precisely as the Bible declares. The best Muslims have come up with is a denial of the Bible; whereas neither Muhammad nor any Muslim scholar has been able to provide evidence for the tales told in the Qur'an.

babs787:

It just seems odd to see both words "raised" and "lifted", and not just one of them, in Isaiah 52:13, and yet think that they agree with the fabricated crucifixion story about Jesus in the NT.

What is infact odd is your dribbling around verses with the words "raised" and "lifted" to suggest what thye do not mean at all. The Biblical narratives of the Crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus are not fabricated. The accounts were eye-witness accounts; and they were well prophesied in the OT.

babs787:

Why did GOD Almighty choose to say "raised" and "lifted" in Isaiah 52:13?

1. The NIV's rendition of "raised" and "lifted" is far from the original Hebrew words - and that is why you find the expressions in other Versions of the Bible not at all suggesting your interpretation:

'. . . he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high' ~ ASV.

'. . . he will be honoured, and lifted up, and be very high' ~ BBE.

'. . . He will be given great praise and the highest honors' ~ CEV.

'. . . he shall be exalted and be lifted up, and be very high' ~Darby.

'. . . he shall be exalted, and extolled, and shall be exceeding high' ~ Douay Rheims.

'. . . he will be highly honored' ~ GNB.

'. . . He will be respected, praised, and highly honored' ~ God's Word.

'. . . he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high.' (JPS)

'. . . he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high' ~ KJV.

Please babs787, could you please tell us why you pedantically drivelled on about the NIV rendition of Isaiah 52:13 while artfully dodging the rendition of other versions?

2. If you are so sure of your arguments at all, can you please tell us why Muhammad never made any reference to Isaiah at all? If Isaiah's prophecy appeals to you at all, do you also recognize that in the same prophecy the Messaih is called "the might God"? Even the NIV you have been quoting clearly calls the Messiah "Mighty God" in Isa.9:6.

babs787:

2. clear thee of falsehood of those who blaspheme,

So you don't know that the above verse is referring to you christians! You have been saying all sorts of blasphemous statement against Jesus, calling him God, son of God, the saviour, he died for your sin, etc. Muslims do not blaspheme against him, we accord him respect and accept him as the servant and messenger of Allah (swt).Better still,  can you tell where Muslims has blasphemed against Jesus.

In the first place, that verse was not referring to Christians who are thought to have "blasphemed" Jesus Christ. If anything at all, we ascribe the praise and glory due unto Him - as foretold in many instances in the Old Testament. If the OT never taught His deity and Redeeming grace (especially by the same Isaiah you have been quoting), then it would have been out of place for anyone to refer to the Messiah as the "Son of God" or "God".

Second, in great disregard for authentic prophesies, Muhammad stands accused by his own Qur'an for having tried to reduce the glory of the Son of God to a mere "slave" of Arab polytheism. That is as blasphemous as the verses in the Qur'an highlight; and there's no twisting and turning around that verse to accuse Christians for doing the right thing.

babs787:

3. I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith',

Yes. We muslims are the real followers of Jesus.

Can you please establish where in the Qur'an Muslims are called "followers of Jesus"?

This hilarious claim cannot stand up to scrutiny and is at best a ploy of deceit known as taqiyya among the Shiite Muslims.

babs787:

We believe in his birth, his miracles, his being to Israelites, his ascension etc.

Where did Muhammad get his version of the birth and miracles of Jesus - while leaving out His death by Crucifixion, His resurrection, His fulfillment of OT prophesies, His divine teachings, His glorifying the Father on earth, and the fact that He called Himself the Son of God, and testified that His salvation was to the ends of the world??

And why is it that only Jesus was called "Christ" in the Qur'an - what is the meaning of "CHRIST" if it falls short of the One anointed to save?

You really don't believe in Jesus Christ at all if you can conveniently pander to the denials of the Qur'an while holding that out to be "truth".

babs787:

But you do not follow him, you are acting contrary to him. Jesus made it clear in the bible that he is not but you claimed he is God.

Can you please show one verse in the Bible where Jesus categorically state that "He is not God"??

babs787:

He said that one can gain paradise by keeping the commandments but you said no, its only through his blood, etc. Also go to the link I supplied, you will read about Nazarenes and christianity and will read about Jesus christ as the PROPHET OF ISLAM.

Jesus Christ the prophet of Islam has nothing to do with the Jesus Christ of the Bible - Old and New Testaments. He had nothing to do with the sins of Muhammad; nothing to do with the polytheism of Islam disguised as monotheism; nothing to do with the rituals propagated in Islam; nothing to do a black stone in the Kaa'ba; and certainly nothing to do with al-Taqiyya (the doctrine of lying in Islam).

Jesus Christ also established the fact that the commandments of the Old Testament could not "save" - and more than anything, the OT all pointed to Him as the Saviour.

If you are so convinced that the "commandments" are able to save, which one of the Mosaic Commandments do you keep in order to be "saved"? Do Muslims keep the "commandments" of a Testament they accuse of having been corrupt?

babs787:

Read the below verse again

"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge;  That they said (in boast):  'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.'  But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.  Nay[b], Allah raised him up Unto Himself;[/b] and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise.  And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him  (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them.   (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"  

Did you read the above too.

A word is enough for the wise.

And what is the summation of that drivel - how do you establish the fact of Muhammad's denials as "truth"? And who was Muhammad really accusing - the Jews or Christians? How did he come about his summation that Christians killed Jesus (if that's what you're applying to those verses)??

I'll break it down after checking the Crucification Story.

1.The Jews wash and Anoint the DEAD before Burial

2.Jesus was Crucified on a Friday;a day before the SABBATH at about the 9th hour = 3pm.

3.He was pieced to make sure he was dead,handed over to Joseph fore Burial

4.Joseph most likely could not[b] COMPLETE [/b] the burial rites of Washing and Anointing of the Body before sunset on a Friday.

5.The Tomb was sealed by Pontius Pilate at the request of his accusers;the Jewish Priest because he claim that he ( JESUS ) would be resurrected on the THIRD DAY.

6.On the second day,the Sabbath nothing could be done because according to the Laws Of Moses no work could be done including Burial of the dead

7.Third day was Sunday and the First day of the week,this means that the Burial Rites of WASHING and ANOINTING could be COMPLETED

@babyosis,

Did you notice the last sentence made by the respondent from the same site?

I quote:'Why would they go to anoint someone who was only in a coma?'

@syrup,

You blind fool, you are welcome to the thread. I will respond to your post very soon.