toneyb:

I do actually spend my time productively and those that know me will attest to that. No body is attacking the bible as you will love to believe, I know how it feels, Once the fallacy of what you hold dear is exposed you call it an attack but the the same hypocrite that you are will not hesitate to tell the moslem that he is not attacking them but pointing out the obvious fallacies in the koran. . What a funny person you are.

davidylan:

why do you care? Do you also tell them Zeus is a myth with this much zeal, hate and condescension?

which hate? which bigotry? and which disdain? From who to who? when and where? Or you folks just dream this up to justify your own internal problems in dealing with your "myths"?

you must have me confused with someone else.

toneyb:

No body comes here talking about Zeus and hiding behind the mythical tale of zeus to display his hate and bigotary.

toneyb:

For those that do not share your delusions. You can deny it all you want but your post and those of others like you are there for all to read.

toneyb:

You have said it so many times that you hate atheist, You even have a thread tittled "I hate atheist". The search engine is so messed up right now but I wish Huxley was here to dig it up and produce it. Its funny how you hate filled memory easily forgets things.

davidylan:

It didnt take too long . . . yawn

toneyb:

When his inanity and hypocrisy have been exposed he resorts to this puerile talk. Very funny guy you are.

davidylan:

this is the third time i am asking for examples of this "hate" and "bigotry" (get the spelling right).

really? and our posts on politics too are reflective of this "hate" and "bigotry"?

1. I never said such.

2. I never had such a thread.

you seem to have a problem with honesty.

Anything else you want to blame on "hate" and "bigotary" (sic)?

Riff-Raff:

@ poster
wat we need is For u 2 Call out your god & tell him 2 stop hiding,

Riff-Raff:

@ poster
wat we need is For u 2 Call out your god & tell him 2 stop hiding,

davidylan:

Nah . . . many of you do not deserve a debate (obviously what you seek). Its better to treat your rants for the nonsensical, ill-thought drivel they really are. For folks who pride themselves so much on being "educated" or "smart" (as an excuse for atheism) . . . its rarely ever on display.

noetic16:

which of the gospels do u subscribe to and why?

Krayola:

It depends on what u mean by subscribe.

1st of all I don't think the Gospel authors (John aside) are fraudulent people. I think they were sincere people of faith. BUT
2nd I do not think the Gospel authors were historians seeking to give us a historically accurate account of the life of Jesus.

I think the three synoptic gospels try to tell us about Jesus as understood by their individual authors, who were obviously believers. But when u read all three of them one starts to notice that Jesus was understood differently and presented differently by each of them. SO it's about trying to find out how each of their understandings shaped their stories. . .since we are pretty sure they used some of the same sources, and in some parts they are similar word for word, we can start to sort out  what may be the author's coloring of the story of jesus. Not sure how much sense that makes but I'm trying to avoid doing the hard work. 

In other words, the three synoptics are used in scholarship of the historical Jesus. . . Even the most conservative of conservative scholars struggle to make a case for the historicity of the events described in the Gospel of John. The likelihood of those words having been spoken by a peasant, illiterate Jew is extremely low.

Krayola:

Haha. . . I said "real" Jesus? And even if I did how would that be an admission of the divinity of Jesus? Which beer parlour u dey sef? I suppose come meet u for there.

noetic16:


. . .  . . how did u manage to evade the other questions I asked?

noetic16:

typical toneyb . .  .bring up innuendos and opinions and passing them as facts.

1. That u choose to call the bible a book of myths does not make it so. that u deny the ontology of Christ and the existence of hell. . .does not make u right considering the fact that u have no evidence to support your claims.

2. its amazing that u choose to insult the intelligence of a billion people who attest to the faithfulness of Jehovah God. how do u explain the faith the believers expressed in God that birthed their miracles?

3. by relating xtianity to parental teachings u obviously missed the point. since your parents taught u the same xtian teachings and u are today an atheist by your own making. . . how then do u explain the hundreds of millions of others who remain xtians by rational decisions just like urs?

Krayola:

haha. I did not evade them, I just dodged them 

oya na answer be dis. Nothing I say must be used against me in the court of law

1) I don't think Jesus died to wash away sins or save souls or anything like that. I also strongly doubt Jesus believed any such thing about himself. That is why is "refuse" Salvation.

2) I think it is a rational choice because I have honestly spent lots of time thinking this through and examining a lot of the evidence critically. I also won't believe something that goes against everything that I have experienced with my own senses and reason, just because some book says Jesus wants me to.

3) fear of punishment has never altered my behaviour. If Im wrong then I guess I'll fry. I'm sure u guys in heaven will put in a good word for me. Dem fit gree me enter on probation   

toneyb:

See, Kettle calling the pot black. The Christian "faith" you subcribe to is NOTHING but opinions, [b]wishful thoughts and imaginations [/b]of others like you.

The bible contains a lot of myths, So many Christians themselves acknowledge that FACT, But unlike me they chose to sugar coat it and say that those mythical stuffs are allegorical tales or narratives. What exactly is hell? Christians are still struggling to understand and accept what it truly mean. Hell is CLEARLY an imaginary place and a very cleverly constructed myth used to make people believe and accept what the advocate of what ever religion what them to accept. Believe in my lies or rot in hell

What has numbers go to do with it? Don't you also insult the intelligence of over a billion Muslims for accepting the mythical narratives of Islam? Believers express faith in what ever concept of god they have been conditioned and indoctrinated with because years of indoctrination and culture is not easy to throw away and hence becomes their reality.

People have various reasons for believing or holding unto myths. Just look around you, there are about a billion Hindus, over a billion Muslims, hundred of million of Buddhist, etc all clinging to one form of man made mythology or the other from childhood till they die. People do NOT believe in the religions they were indoctrinated with since childhood because it makes any sense, they do so mostly because of conditioning, societal acceptance and the make belief that it is their reality.